45 Replies to “Find Your Nation’s GDP”

  1. sure they are successful but do they have “canadian values” like no “pay for profit ” healthcare.
    and how can they let that moron run things?
    and ….
    and …..
    Im going back to CBCpravda to find the truth.

  4. Thanks. What a great map – and the link to the other map showing China, Japan, Germany and UK vs the USA – is also great.

  5. Cal2,
    Yes, parroted Liberal talking points is apparantly “news”.
    That article is top to bottom quoting Dion’s attack on Harper. No response from Harper, no questioning Dion’s party record.
    Essentially a free ad.
    How fitting that, once again, taxpayer funds are being indirectly funnelled to the Liberals yet again – in the form of valuable air time/print space via the CBC.

  6. I wonder how stretched is Texas economy with Katrina and Mexico refugees… Bet much more than Canadian is stretched with all the welfare suckers.

  8. On this point, I had occasion during the time Chretien was in power to send a crisp email to a prominent Liberal MP who’d gotten some good press with some nasty US-bashing and touting how much the US needs Canada. (My parochial Yankee view is that our bilateral relationship is hugely beneficial to both nations and ought to be based on mature good will and mutual respect.)
    To the Liberal MP, I quoted some official Statistics Canada numbers, along with the URLs of their web pages showing that (as far as I can recall) somewhere between a half million and a million Canadian jobs are created by trade with the US.
    Her snotty response was an email “thank you for your perceptions“.
    Foolish me-I didn’t know simple, straightforward arithmetic, including Canadian Govt simple arithmetic, is a “perception”, having always labored under the idea that it’s objective fact. However, in the Western leftist mind, simple truths and facts are completely malleable to the “higher truth” of furtherance of leftist ideology.

  11. Man,, between Katrina and Rita those refugees are gonna cost us Tax-Payers Trillions, I tell you, Trillions.
    There are two things you don’t do in America; 1) never turn a African-American down for Gov’t Assistance. 2) Do not insult a Muslim.
    ,

  12. mitch
    CTV (Tass) is just as bad as CBCpravda , in a way they are more dangerous as they pretend they are free market.

  13. mitch – Dion’s talk is empty talk. It’s the rhetoric of Chretien and Martin. Empty. Dion is talking about ‘convictions’ – what the heck does that mean? He’s back into the traditional Liberal insistence on ’emotion’. If you ‘feel’ something, then, it’s right. Heh.
    Then, his mantra of ‘economic prosperity, social justice and the environment’ – those are empty terms. Without policies within them, they are empty.
    Perhaps I’m wrong – but, I don’t see the rhetoric as a threat. Remember that Chretien, with his rhetoric, won, not because of the rhetoric but because he had no opposition. The conservative side was split into two parties. Martin won, for the same reason. But, as soon as the Conservatives got themselves together – the Liberals lost.
    Now, the left is split into not two but three and even four parties. That’s a lot of hot air!
    At the moment, I think that the Liberal big government view is empty, is only rhetoric – and the action rests within the Conservative ‘hands-on’ approach.
    That’s why blogs are important. The MSM are the ‘big government’ approach. They are top-down, authoritarian, sweeping generalizations, indifferent to facts, unaccountable. That’s the Liberal way.
    Blogs are local, individual, small government, so to speak. They are both factual – and opinions. The democratic nature of blogs is their operation on the Internet. This means that what they say is not only immediately accessible to millions; it is factually and rationally accountable.
    Say something incorrect and you are instantly corrected. That’s the way it should be – but Big Government/MSM relies for its power on not being corrected, and not being accountable. Opinions are open to debate – and that’s not the way of big government/the MSM.
    So- I think that the power of blogs is particularly important to a conservative or small-l (original liberalism) style of government, because it is intensely democratic.
    We have to keep up the blogging! The MSM isn’t as powerful as they used to be.

  14. So, Dion thinks Conservatives lack “convictions.” He’s right, Liberals certainly have convictions:
    – Brault
    – Guite
    – and many others
    Not to mention police investigations up the ying yang.
    Of course, Dion is upset Conservatives have done nothing in first year, and stolen their policies. IOW, he has been out-manoevered again by PMSH.
    I really hope they push for election. Once Canadians see Dion, unfiltered and actually challenged, they will run away in droves.
    If we can keep Mr Dion talking, we might just get a majority CPC government.
    The panic and shrill reporting by the MSM, especially CBC, CTV, Globe TStar, is evidence they are really worried and are pulling out all the stops. Trouble is it will be at least months before the next election and the Dion “supporters” will be exhausted and will have used all their “powder.”
    Bring it on.

  15. I noticed today at National News Watch …. virtually every piece pointed to by the aggregator is in support of some Lib/Left mantra or a BS critique of our government ….. the level of anti-conservative rhetoric is astounding.
    This has been building up since the new year began and it’s obvious the MSM are out for political blood.

  16. The map is a bit of a stretch.
    The 2005 GDP of Canada is $1,130 billion US compared to $982 billion US for Texas.
    Also France 2005 GDP $2,150 billion US compared to $1,621 billion US for California.
    Further, 2005 GDP $793 billion for South Korea compared to only $674 billion for Florida.
    And I suspect the difference would be even greater for South Korea if you took into account purchasing power parity.
    So the map does illustrate a good point, but it is slightly slanted and overstates its case.
    Source for the numbers: IMF, can be found on a nice table at http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Economy_of_Texas

  17. ET,
    Canadians won’t really see that much of Dion. They’ll hear the cleaned up, repackaged, and perfectly produced Dion message courtesy of the grossly liberal MSM.
    Conversely, they’ll continue to set the bar impossibly high for Harper, repeatedly cite “complaints” from far left interest groups as if they’re representative of Canadain views.
    In short they’ll essentially campaign for the Libs.
    And it will be far more effective than anything the CPC can pay for, because the media holds itself out as impartial purveyors of fact.
    An abuse of position on a massive scale is hard to compete against.
    The CPC can still win, but a major victory will be very difficult as long as such institutional abuse exists in our media, and until such time as new media gets close to old media in terms of coverage. It’s still a long way off.

  18. “Population of New Hampshire: 1,250,000
    Population of Bangladesh: 150,000,000
    Wow”
    Posted by: Jon at January 23, 2007 11:46 AM
    Motto of New Hampshire: “Live free or die”
    Motto of Bangladesh: “Submit or die”

  19. If each of those 50 states had a vote at the UN like those countries do, maybe the UN really could help the world.

  21. And the media are accusing the CPC of celebrating their one year anniversary in power as an attempt to steal the Liberal thunder from the first Liberal caucus meeting. (Just re-heard the stealing thunder charge for the umteenth time on CTV newsnet).
    Get that?
    Obviously the conservatives aligned the planets in a centuries long conspiracy to develop the “anniversary” practice of celbrating events on a calendar year basis, and then, by holding an election exactly one year before they must have known the Liberals would hold their first caucus meeting,
    stole the thunder from the Liberals,
    who had no choice but to select the Conservative anniversary to hold their first caucus meeting.
    The insidiousness of bias – a deeply ingrained veiwpoint will force one to embrace even the absurd.

  22. Interesting how Japan and Germany are at the top of map 2. See the results of an all out total and annihilating war against America? Your economy shoots to the top. Maybe we should nuke Iran…

  23. mitch – yes, I agree. The MSM/Liberal BackRoom Boys are ensuring that the Dion the public sees is a repackaged, airbrushed version. Not the real thing – for the real thing is, frankly, a public relations disaster.
    And, the MSM are in full gear, promoting the Liberals. The MSM are promoting the Liberals, not only against the Conservatives – and each story and poll gets more and more ridiculous – but, they are fighting the NDP.
    The Canadian left is split – and the Liberals and NDP are fighting it out. The Liberals have effectively moved into traditional NDP territory. The CPC have moved, more and more, into Liberal territory. Why?
    Because Canada, as a cocooned economy, cocooned because most of our produce goes to the USA, and we don’t have to be competititve on the global market – and because we are a small population living in a long line close to the defense protection of the USA (and with everything else frozen)….well, we are cocooned.
    We therefore don’t have to ‘take stands’. We don’t have to make hard decisions. We can all, more or less, live a protected, middle-middle class life, enabled by a central government redistribution economy (rather than a competititive market economy).
    So- any government ideology has to follow this ‘middle of the middle’ line. We don’t want a government that makes hard decisions, that operates in an Either-Or frame. We prefer – well, why not do both? Such a luxury is only feasible within a cocooned society.
    I still say that blogs are absolutely vital in today’s world. They protect us, in part, against the propaganda machines of the MSM.

  24. One poster on the linked site has a very good observation…
    Notice most of the countries are ones who lost WW2 and where helped by the States.
    That’s the secret. Let’s declare war on the US, and loose right away and wait for a Marshall Plan.
    Most of Canada will not notice a difference in handouts, except Ontario and Alberta of course.
    BC won’t accept it because of all potential air pollution caused by the planes coming in with supplies.

  25. The reason for such a disparity between Canada and Texas(for that matter California which has a closer population size to that of Canada)is that of health care. The US private health care system accounts for 30% of their GDP. US healthcare providers are businesses that charge users directly or indirectly through insurance thus they generate revenue at several levels and get taxed. In Canada the public healthcare system is not accounted in the GDP and infact is not a tax generator but a recipient. Currently this Albertan is living in Texas learning Spanish. I wish I could say the health care system here is superior to that of Canada’s. In honesty I can’t, despite the fact I’m a libertarian on these issues. However, many Texans here are unable to afford basic health services can find excellent healthcare for a fraction of the cost on the other side of the Rio Grande.

  26. Biff, which way are they sneaking into the border again? Americans are crossing shark-infested waters to get to Cuba? Americans are walking across the desert at night so they can use superior Mexican health care?
    ARE YOU A COMPLETE MORON?
    Guess so.

  27. Biff & Doug ….mexico has good quality health care for those who can PAY!
    Americans and even Canadians who are aware of this do take advantage of that to avoid higher costs in the US or longer waits in Canada!

  28. Are you talking about clandestine organ transplants and last-chance secret cancer cures?
    Who in their right mind would seek health care in Mexcio?
    ARE YOU PEOPLE OUT OF YOUR MINDS??????
    When you personally come back from Mexico and say that you had sucessful spinal surgery then perhaps I might reconsider….but for now, STOP THE SICK JOKE.

  29. Actually Biff …. Cousin of mine went that route for Gall Bladder surgery…Ontario Health Care had her on a one year wait list. She could not afford the US……went to Mexico City University Hospital and all was well.
    Just one case but still the truth.

  30. Biff, healthcare is about 16% of our GDP. What you aren’t getting is that you have no FREE health care in Canada. It comes out of every Canadian’s wallet. People who drink the socialist’s Koolaid seem to have that obliterated from their brain’s thought processing center.
    Here’s a question for you: you’ve got lots of healthcare choices in Texas, what’s your problem in not connecting with quality care?
    I bet there are plenty of “Texans” going to Mexico for healthcare, the state is awash in illegals. Mexico has great cheap dentists and they sell prescription drugs cheap. You can buy antibiotics over the counter. That’s hardly a reflection of US healthcare. How Americans are going to Mexico for by-pass surgery? Nada.

  31. lol !!!
    did texascanuck have anything to do with this bit of cartography ????
    God Bless the American taxpayer !!!
    how many of you people living here in canuckistan have a stars & stripes hanging prominently in the living room???

  32. Southie –
    You’re correct. California’s economy is approximately the size of Italy’s, not of France’s. Some folks in the state government have been repeating that trope about France for years, but it isn’t true.

  33. I can honestly say that I did not have anything to do with this map however it does point out the fact that the GDP of a lot of states rivals that of world countries.
    And Biff, I am down here in the medical field and it is better than Canada. Not perfect, I’d never say that but better. Same goes for Australia and a lot of other countries that have adjusted and adapted.
    BTW: Just because it is Mexico or India don’t think that all medicine is leeches and jumba roots. both these countries are doing a good business with “medical tourists”.

  34. “How Americans are going to Mexico for by-pass surgery? Nada.”
    Insert “many”. My bad.

  35. Doug “Interesting how Japan and Germany are at the top of map 2. See the results of an all out total and annihilating war against America?”
    Well it’s not as if either country was a backwater before WW2. Both are nations of incredibly inventive and industrious people (especialy when you consider that less than a century before Pearl Harbour Japan was basicaly a feudal nation).

  36. “In Canada the public healthcare system is not accounted in the GDP and in fact is not a tax generator but a recipient.”
    That is completely false. The definition of GDP(gross domestic product) is the market value of all final goods and services produced within a country in a given period of time. The formula for figuring out GDP is:
    GDP = consumption + investment + government spending + (exports − imports)
    Healthcare in both the US and Canada is govt. spending(Medicare), consumption (company-provided medical benefits like dental care), and investment(Apotex, Pfizer, Merck, etc.). It also includes the import and export of healthcare products (surgical tools, drug manufacturing, the patenting of new technologies, etc.)
    Simply put, Americans spend more on healthcare because they have a higher preference for consuming expensive healthcare products (MRIs, kidney dialysis machines, etc.) whereas Canadians prefer to die in waiting lines or worse yet, hop neatly across the border to get timely and effective treatment.

  37. I have sometimes wondered about the American dollar figure. Who amoung us has not been to a fund raiser for a child or a friend who needed an operation that was only available in the U.S. Since these are ridiculously expensive procedures, would this not skew the American figures.

  38. how many of you people living here in canuckistan have a stars & stripes hanging prominently in the living room???
    I DO!! I DO!!

  39. Except, Jose, they burned their countries countries to the ground. Germany twice. I file that under mentally backwater.
    As a friend of mine, born in Russia, observed that misguided countries should be so lucky as to be defeated by the Americans. Google the Marshall Plan and its intent. I’m only relating this because I’m sick of the historically challenged that dare suggest that we are an immoral imperialistic nation.

  40. Doug, Penny et al.
    It appears that you seem to think that I was dishing the US healthcare system. I am not. My initial point is that the significant size of the US GDP is in large measure due to the enormous size of the private health care system. The health care here is a net provider to the tax system not a depedant of the tax system. This is a good thing from which Canada can learn. In fact the growth in new jobs in the US is almost exclusively due to the growing healthcare industry along with support industries such as insurance.
    There were several misconceptions presented by you both and others. First, the illegals come here for the money not the healthcare. They earn money and go back to Mexico to pay for less expensive medicine. Second, Mexico does have an excellent private healthcare system that they have been developing for years. Many doctors in Mexico practice in both in the US and Mexico, particularily specialists. Third, Many Americans do flock to Mexico for serious surgery and treatment of ailments, not just the shady practioners of alternative treatments. Fourth, Mexican universities are the largest foreign provider of doctors in the US. American health care providers trust their training, even if you don’t. What I tell you is not based on falty presuppositions and stereotypes of Mexico but of a working knowledge of the system. Doug, if I am moron (tisk, tisk…how anti-intellectual are such rabid comments) ten I will be health and wealthy one here in South Texas.

  41. Addendum: If you are going to quote me, get it right.
    I said:
    “I wish I could say the health care system here is superior to that of Canada’s.” This does not reflect that or suggest that the US system is inferior far from it. I am merely suggesting that it is not as beneficial to care as I thought. This again comes from some observation and aquantance with the system. Many of the clinics here are practicing with equipment and methods long abandond in Canada and yes even Mexico.
    So just clarify…I want private healthcare in Canada.

  42. The health care here is a net provider to the tax system not a depedant of the tax system.
    That statement is ridiculous, but, whatever, Biff, you threw out the erroneous 30% of GDP earlier. You really need to learn to Google and wikipedia for some basic facts and definitions. Mexican doctors only practice in the US if they pass our licensing exams. You are incorrect that there are “many”. I worked in the healthcare field for many years in another border state.
    I’m from NM and know the landscape; many border jumping illegals, and I could see a few first generation Hispanics going to Mexico for surgery, but, Anglos won’t. And, they sure don’t “flock” to Mexico for “serious surgery”.
    Your unsubstantiated comments are wearing thin.

  43. Sorry Penny…I very much disagree that it’s just first generations returning to recieve Mexican healthcare. The Mexican health care system has a growing and vibrant medical tourism market; google it. Secondly, wikipedia is not a credible source to get information from. I maintain that the US healthcare system accounts for 30% of GDP…that is a good thing!!!
    Third, it goes without saying that Mexican doctors must pass medical exams in the US. If you google some of the medical schools in Mexico you will see that many of them have US accredation and teach in english.
    Be nice with your words Penny…I’m on your side.

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