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500 WMDs found in Iraq. Just saw Rick Santorum’s press conference on TV. Links to follow when I find one.
If you find links first, format like this in the comments:
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(OK, The Corner seems to be watching TV anyway… Try refreshing.)
UPDATE: Allah Pundit says he’s not that impressed.
UPDATE 2: Bullet points.
UPDATE 3: Keep checking the “Allah Pundit” link above (actually goes to Malkin’s Hot Air) for lots of updates, plus video of the press conference. No surprise: Captain Ed is on the case.

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  2. There alwats were and still are WMD’s in Iraq or stored next door in Iran or Syria. It is only a matter of where they are and how much time will it take to find them. There will be more to come.
    Daniel

  4. 500 rounds eh? Woo.
    Always remembering that just ONE of those things is more than enough to poison a subway system. Sarin doesn’t clean up well. Kinda oily, sticks to things.
    Then there’s the permanent case of dead that a whole bunch of people would catch if Jihad Boy lit it off at rush hour. “Degraded” is a relative term, in this case meaning “not quite as horrifically deadly as it could be.”
    Good thing jihadis are a bunch of goofs. We can’t expect that good fortune to last though.

  5. I don’t care what the evidence shows. BUSH LIED! BWAAHAHAHAHAHAH! RARRRGH! I’M AN ANGRY LEFTOID! WHERE’S MY GRANOLA BAR?

  6. Wonder how long it will be till the far left finds the “evidence” that the shells were plants by Bush & co.
    About time these were recovered/proven!!

  7. Jazz – you took the drivil right off the pens and yaps of the MSM. It should take them about two days to try to ‘spin’ this…they will though, must be horrible to be so predictable.

  8. Actually, the WMD were known to be there all along, but Karl Rove instisted that they be kept a secret, so that the DNC and KOS kids would make fools of themselves my crying “no WMD”, then be snuffed, when WMD were found. That Karl is a crafty fellow.
    There ~ enough spin for you?

  9. Below is one of the summary statements of the Iraq Survey Group’s final report. You can feel vindicated if you are desperate to be so, however, I think it shows how effective the UN inspectors and blockade were more than anything.
    ‘While a small number of old, abandoned chemical munitions have been discovered, ISG judges that Iraq unilaterally destroyed its undeclared chemical weapons stockpile in 1991. There are no credible indications that Baghdad resumed production of chemical munitions thereafter, a policy ISG attributes to Baghdad’s desire to see sanctions lifted, or rendered ineffectual, or its fear of force against it should WMD be discovered.”
    If you want to read it all here is the url
    http://www.globalsecurity.org/wmd/library/report/2004/isg-final-report/isg-final-report_vol3_cw_key-findings.htm
    The UN had it right in 1991 and if anyone is vindicated here it is the UN. Saddam was made impotent. His viagra(so to speak) would have been the end of the embargo. But that wouldn’t have happened anytime soon after 9/11. This report merely underlines how imprudent Bush was.

  12. “The UN had it right in 1991 and if anyone is vindicated here it is the UN. Saddam was made impotent.”
    So they kept sending in Hans Blix for the next decade and a half?

  13. Mississauga Matt
    You have to read it. It says that Saddam didn’t make any WMD after the first Gulf War. That is why what little was found was degraded.

  14. Are you that unbelievably naive and downright stupid, after all the information we have on the perversity and incompetence of the UN sanctions, to come in here and post that this vindicates the UN? You’re insane…

  15. calgarian
    Easy for you to say, you have no knowledge whatsoever. For this to true Bush would have had to cover up information that would vindicate his going into Iraq. The whole thing is absurd.
    We have a desperate Republican party who are grasping at straws to get re-elected. It is pathetic. It is even more pathetic that people would find this credible.
    If this had any, I mean any, truth or credibility Bush would hold a press conference and then give half a dozen speeches on the issue. If you were sitting on evidence that would vindicate you would you sit on it?? I don’t think so.

  16. Missing the point as usual Stevie. 500 rounds of gas filled artillery shells, that’s more than 50 gallons right there.
    How many gallons of sarin needed to poison the NY subway Stevie? More than 50? Fatal dose is measured in milligrams, you do the math.

  17. Steve, what I read was your post. And you wrote that the U.N. was right back in ’91.
    Still stickin’ with that?

  18. Also as Captain Ed points out, Blix’s Dicks MISSED this if it was Gulf War I vintage. This stash was supposed to have been turned in/destroyed by Saddam.

  19. Meanwhile, Saddam Hussein al-Majid al-Tikriti is on a hunger strike along with seven co-defendants.
    Three defence lawyers have been killed since the trial opened 3 months ago.
    Former US secretary of justice Ramsay Clark, a member of Saddam’s defense team, is incommunicado. Clark was appointed Attorney-General by Democratic President LBJ in 1967.
    The noose tightens on the necks of Saddam and his henchmen.
    The countdown to execution has begun.

  20. Mississauga Matt
    The report says that he has made no WMD after the first Gulf War. Anything that was found was pre-Gulf War 1. That is why it is so degraded.
    What he did have was chemical labs ready to go but no precursors were found. Again, he was waiting for the embargo to end to restart his WMD program. There is no way they would have let him restart after 9/11 that is certain.

  21. Steee-eeeve, you’re duckin’ and dancin’, but let’s keep to the issue.
    You wrote that the U.N. was right back in ’91. You still stickin’ to that?

  22. I was well known that the paper trail on the shells was messy and not everything was necesssarily accounted for, but there was no worry as the contents of these weapons were degraded a long time ago. They never found what happened with all of the anthrax either, but it would have been degraded over ten years ago, so why worry?
    Today, these shells would be far more dangerous if they were simply conventional weapons.
    This latest affair is nothing more than disinformation by Santorum.
    Steve d. has it correct up top. These materials were already known. All weapons inspectors, Ritter/Blix/Kay, were in their respective times and still remain of the opinion that there was no threat as nothing had been manufactured since the first Gulf War, and that the active materials would just be completely degraded.
    Nothing here but more Bushit spin, folks. Move on, or look foolish.

  23. Funny that it didn’t make it onto the front page in the washington times or anywhere else for that in the world.
    Electiona coming up and the GOP needs all the help they can get.
    Too bad sarin doesn’t have much of a shelf life.
    f the stuff didn’t work 2 years ago how can it now?

  24. steve d: I’m not well briefed on this issue, but even if they go back to Gulf-1, weren’t they supposed to be destroyed and hasn’t Saddam lied in claiming they were?
    Still and all, I don’t have a very warm feeling that this is going to do anything to dislodge the Bush Lied People Died crowd (if anything can).

  26. I’ve lost count. Is this the 10th or 11th time the WMD wolf has been cried since the invasion?
    Fool me once, shame on you. Fool me twice, shame on me. Fool me ten times and I must be a conservative.

  27. Or you could say “F%ck the Jews” and be a left-wing twat.
    Oh, you already did, and you are.

  28. I see the loons are out in full force tonight!
    I guess 500 WMD’s, give or take a few is a rather insignificant number of armaments. Now perhaps if they had found several thousand, then maybe Steve and his pals might be impressed.
    It seems to me that if Sadaam was in compliance as the UN figures, then one WMD would be too many and more than enough to prove the case against the dictators regime.
    These lefty socialists hate President Bush so much that it won’t matter what is said or what is found, it will not change their pre-defined notions.
    Facts are that there were and probably still are WMD’s in Iraq which contravene the UN sanctions against Sadaam and his regime which gives legitimacy to the invasion and overthrow of a dictatorial tyrant.
    If Steve and his echo chamber had their way, the UN elite would still be syphoning billions off the oil for food scam and Sadaam and his sons would still be committing genocide while pulling women off the streets to be raped and murdered.
    Whether you choose to accept it, it was the right thing to overthrow the tyrant and make an effort to bring democracy to the middle east. Will it succeed? Only time will tell.
    Daniel

  29. “Again, he was waiting for the embargo to end to restart his WMD program. Posted by: steve d. ”
    Well, duh, yes, he would have re-started his WMD program the very day- not the day after- we turned our backs on him. Steve d is so thick he doesn’t recognize a white flag even as he’s raising it.

  30. Has anyone seen any information as to whether or not the shells containing Sarin were stored in a binary form as separate precursors (Methylphosphonyl Difluoride and Isopropyl Amine) or were they premixed? If they were stored in a binary form, from my limited understanding (researching on the net (Google is my friend) and NBCD courses in the military) they would have a much longer shelf-life. They would have a much shorter shelf-life if they were premixed.
    Google “M687” for info on a model of artillery shell that stores the weapon as a binary form. When stored in this fashion the munition is much more stable and when the munition is fired the precursors mix midair to produce Sarin gas.
    Sarin is pretty nasty stuff, just one artillery shell filled with it would cause quite a few deaths and permanent injuries. Not the easiest stuff to clean up either as a previous poster has mentioned.

  31. Talk like this should help to bring the price of gas up to 3 bucks a litre real quick.
    These are the shells they found a long time ago,buried like saddam said the weapons inspecters knew they were duds, why else would the ONLY PLACE to find this headline is at FOX lol.
    Remember the insurgents fired one at the US they mix in flight didn’t work. lol

  33. Just came from Cspan and the US doesn’t mention it funny, they do a lot of talking about Iraq, right now its pulling out before things get worse.

  34. It is remarkable how a discredited rumour – started on a pathologically unreliable show like Hannity & Colmes and fanned by Rove &c in prep for the Nov elections – can get some unbelievably gullible bloggers going.
    You don’t have to be a leftie to be skeptical. Look at the comments President Bush and Donald Rumsfeld themselves have made: there was no WMD in Iraq.
    President Bush appointed the Robb-Silberman Commission in 2004 to tell him why the intelligence was so wrong.
    There is just no end to the strangeness of this blog. Just when you think the author is turning it around, bang ….

  35. Why?
    This story has legs on a conservative blog because it is taken at face value. When a “true believer(in this case a conservative ideologue) you accept without question anything that reinforces your belief system.
    The Republicans know this and even though most would see right through this in a minute the Republicans aren’t targeting us they are aiming at the true believers, their base. People like Rick Santorum are losing their ideological base and they must have them to have even the faintest hope in the November elections. So this one was for them. I would say they pretty much bought it just like Santorum et al thought they would. The trouble is, they are going to have to come up with a lot more between now and then so hold on to your sides this is going to be funny..a little sad too..but mostly funny. Santorum will be casting about using every shiny lure in his pail to engage his base.

  36. Why,
    given that the UN was in the process of accounting for stockpiles of WMD’s prior to the breakdown with Saddam, and that they couldn’t account for them all prior to the start of the war, I’m wondering:
    What do you think happened to them?
    Also wondering, why would you think, after the sanctions were eventually lifted, that Saddam wouldn’t simply make new stocks of Sarin, Nerve Gas and continue his attempts at nukes, assuming they were destroyed prior to the war?
    Oh and one more question, if a notorious killer stabbed one of his neighbors with a knife, ran into his house and refused to come out with his hands up, and the cops went in to get him,
    would you think the killer isn’t dangerous if the cops couldn’t find the knife in the house?
    Just wondering.

  37. 1) Guest Author – Kate’s away this week. Don’t blame her for this post.
    2) Steve, Rube, Sam, MarkF, Why – If the shells are so degraded, would you care to go into a room and open one? What am I saying? Of course you’ll say “Sure”. After all, this is the internet and you’re all “Progs”.

  38. Steve d.; Robert; et al: I am stunned by the fact that you are minimizing the possibility that any amount of WMD were found. We have very little to go on, so the whole thing may be a cheap political stunt, but your off handed dismissal is actually disturbing.
    One…. that is one, functioning chemical or nerve munition which was stored properly could have devastating consequences were it deployed in confined space where there are lots of people. None of this is a matter for mocking.
    For the supposed “champions of humanrights and compassion” you people are really sick. Your overall motivation is clearly to prove Bush/Hitler wrong at all costs, and the entire right for that matter… the facts as they unfold, no matter how sobering, don’t even slow you folks down for a second. Anyone jumping to any conclusions at this point, no matter what they are, is a very desparate person and doesn’t even care to wait to see how things pan out.

  40. I wouldn’t even bother with the trolls. One believes that we should be “negotiating” with the Taliban (saw it on another blog) and the other one believes there is no truth to anything ever because it’s all about public opinion for power (the parties he supports do this, so everyone must).

  41. My fellow righties…you just don’t get it do you?..They could have found a nuclear warhead ready for launch and the hardcore lefties here wouldn’t care a bit.Bush is evil,consevatism is evil and not a f*cking thing you can dream up to say is going to enlighten them!Their hatred of the right has become a warm blanket and they fully intend to stay wrapped in it,even if it means aiding our enemies…Disgraceful!!

  43. uh, bush is a frat boy who lucked in having daddy in the white house. the big oil boys spotted him whilst working hand in hand with george herbert walker and decided in light of this 2 term limit thingy they would put everything in place for dubya the squawking parrot to assume the mantle asap. or more precisely, the pseudo-mantle. where is the real power? the name rumsfeld ring a bell?
    dubya is ooooonly smart enough to remember the script. and then scoot off on another vacation where he learns his lines for the next round of hysteria and platitudes.
    wanna know what the dubya white house runs like? read ‘state of war’ by James Risen. look up ‘merlin’ in the index. thats the part where dubya’s gang handed over complete but deliberately flawed blueprints for a nuke to the iranians hoping they would build the dud and give up.
    didnt count of the russian supposed-embittered renegade nuke scientist go-between opening the envelope, quickly spotting the planted flaw and coyly advising his iranian contact that ‘if they needed further technical assistance he was available . . . etc’
    so, where exactly are all the WMDs in the world and who arrange to have them exist?
    it just goes on and on.
    the americans havent had a respectable conscientious decent president since Harry S Truman. who will be remembered when we have moved out to the stars as a man of his word.
    WMDs bullshyt. its ALL about the oil.

  44. umm, Lanny: taliban? oh. those’d be the dudes welcomed with open arms by the BUSHISTS *prior* to 9/11 in relation to things such as their past successes with the russian invading infidels (armed by the americans) and other such labyrithian links.
    it all has to do with oil.
    ‘see farenheit 9/11’. mr moore co-oped the video of the TALIBAN personnel being feted and hosted by the republicans.
    etc etc. it just goes on and on . . .
    your previous posting in its entirety :
    I wouldn’t even bother with the trolls. One believes that we should be “negotiating” with the Taliban (saw it on another blog) and the other one believes there is no truth to anything ever because it’s all about public opinion for power (the parties he supports do this, so everyone must).
    Posted by: Lanny at June 22, 2006 12:39 AM

  47. Wow – I am constantly amazed by the drivel the left continuely spouts to keep up the Liberal/Democrat talking points – Iraq is about oil/Bush I & II are evil/9-11 was a conspiracy/the WMD were an imaginary reason to invade Iraq – etc. etc. etc.
    Then Steved has the audacity to say “you accept without question anything that reinforces your belief system.” and Robert J tries to let us all know that he must be “left” by putting his various degrees behind his name???? “Robert J BA BSc”
    Weird trolls!

  48. This is a complete NON news story. The ammunition found dates back to before GW1. It has been reported from time to time that small numbers of chemical weapons have been found in weapons dumps and destroyed. In general their state of deterioration meant that they could not realistically be deployed. If you think Saddam was the only nutbar with sarin, or if you think sarin is difficult to make, you’re in for a rude surprise.

  49. I bet the leftist deniers will say something like :
    “This is a complete NON news story. The ammunition found dates back to before GW1. It has been reported from time to time that small numbers of chemical weapons have been found in weapons dumps and destroyed. In general their state of deterioration meant that they could not realistically be deployed”.
    …oh, somebody already has 🙂

  50. Robert of the Many Titles,
    If you are relying on Michael Moore as a source, your various degrees have obviously not served you well.

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