I do so love it when people open a link to my blog with such enticing provocative commentary…
April 11 Update:
Warren Kinsella subpeonaed by Commons public accounts committee.;
“I found it fairly amusing,” said Bloc MP Benoit Sauvageau, who tabled the original motion to hear from the Liberal insiders.�
“They’ve probably got the country wrong or the time in history,” he said of their requests to negotiate their appearances before the committee.
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Update: To the friends of Warren Kinsella – the best friend Chuck Guite ever had – who are stopping by. This is the reason the thin-skinned Librano has directed you to this post. (which links to a story of World Health Organization workers being attacked for attempting to bring relief to Angolans.)
Warren has been outed as a pro-pollution chemical industry lobbiest in a post lower on the page titled “Whorin’ Warren”. He doesn’t like it very much, and true to the testosterone-challenged technique he is famous for – chooses to misrepresent the content of this post instead.
What a pussy you are, Warren.
Globe and Mail;
The Ontario government came under attack yesterday for allowing an influential Liberal Party strategist to attend a cabinet meeting just days after he was hired to lobby against proposed environmental legislation that would impose stiff penalties on polluters.
Progressive Conservative Bob Runciman asked Premier Dalton McGuinty why Warren Kinsella was allowed to attend the meeting on March 23, nine days after he signed on to help the chemical industry fight legislation that Mr. Runciman says is now at risk of being watered down.
“Do you not see a massive conflict of interest here?” the Tory MPP asked during Question Period.
Original post, and link unchanged below.
Is there a point where we are allowed to stop feeling sympathy for these people, seal off the borders and just let nature take its course?
Listen to Choo-Choo Man, Kate. Fork over the cash, and there will be no more calling you a racist. Capiche? Ahem…UNDERSTAND?
Dropping depleted uranium all over Iraq certainly proves your not a rascist. Why exactly arent you advocating walling off “those people?” Humanitarian workers were killed there as well. I guess because “those people” are sitting on a ton of oil….er….i mean freedom. Keep bringing up talking points like this ya pack o neocons. You should be in charge of the Conservative Party’s campaign Kate. Would it go something like this: “Adscam, adscam, adscam, adscam, Africans deserve to die, adscam, adscam, adscam…….”
I wouldn’t worry about Chemical Kin-sella.
Ah… much sound and fury, a few more insults … but still no solution forthcoming.
I’m surprised that no one has proposed the “UN Solution”.
You remember – The United Nations that the Liberal government turns to for direction when Canada wants to do nothing.
That way, the intelligencia can sleep soundly at night in the assurance that when Kofi Annan throws his hands up, closes the borders and lets nature take its course, the hundreds of thousands of deaths that result are the progressive, culturally sensitive and internationalist solution that most reflects Canadian Liberal values!
Um, to quote me: “The solution then is to get involved and support those working to defuse this crisis, and I renew my calls for people to donate to the effort. You will find on the Who page devoted to the crisis (http://www.who.int/csr/don/2005_04_08a/en/) that “the single most important factor in controlling viral haemorrhagic fevers is the engagement of affected communities as partners in control” and that WHO has “launched an appeal, through the United Nations, for funding to support the emergency response to this outbreak. WHO needs US$ 2.4 million to support the Ministry of Health, Angola to intensify ongoing operations in the field.” I urge you again to help people get involve and support WHO’s efforts in this crisis rather than turning into a contest of the pithiest ad hominem attack.” I believe that also brings the United Nations into it for you. So will you be putting up links to help collect donations or will you just insult and belittle people insead?
The liberal answer again is money to OUR left wing wackos and we’ll make sure the Angolan ministry of health will get it.
Leave the envelope and your problem will disappear.
Liberal nomind fighting sheep.
Hey jay sorry grouped you incorrectly earlier
did anyone else catch the reason the residents of Angola were attacking WHO — that is was out of fear that WHO were spreading the virus. Would we not do the same if we had the same fear, rightly or wrongly? Should they really not be pitied? If there ever is “a point where we are allowed to stop feeling sympathy” (perish the thought), then this certainly ain’t it, Kate.
Does anyboday else wonder why Warren Kinsella does not have any commenting on his website. It is much easier to sling mud and accusations at others and let the proverbial chips fall where they may. The best analogy is to buy a cow and put it in the neighbor’s back yard. That way you don’t have to deal with any mess.
Kinsella’s preface to linking to this post is framed so that anyone who reads the post by way of his site, could have no other opinion than what is evidenced here.
It sure beats having people read and develop their own opinion which may not agree with what he thinks.
As someone who has voted for Liberal candidates in the past, the bluster and attitude of Liberal supporters has scared me towards those dangerous conservatives.
Don’t miss the point. When someone does not want your help, at what point do you just back off and let them find out that you could have helped them. Liberals do not have the market cornered on compassion, but certainly don’t have even a share in terms of logic.
So, is it a coincidence that out of all the conservative blogosphere that might upset him, Warren just happens to point out a blog that pantsed him? Ha. And to that might I had, ha! The man’s ego must be downright brittle.
OTOH, although I see (after some explaination) the point Kate was trying to make, honey, you were just an idiot for the way you wrote it up. Can’t say I blame Warren; you leave an opening that big, it would be almost unthinkable not to exploit it. Sloppy on your part Kate.
Why does WK try to smear the CPC with something written here on SDA? I really don’t see the connection at all. Can I now go out and find something stupid on babble (wouldn’t take long) and use it to smear grits or dippers?
Well, I could, but that would be stupid and everyone would yawn and move on. Kinda like what should happen to good ole WK’s feeble attack.
Warren’s just acting out. I think Chuck Guite is coming up on the witness stand. He may spill out why Warren told Public Works to hire him – specifically to change the rules underwhich advertising contracts were awarded.
Yeah, read that paragraph again.
http://www.ctv.ca/servlet/ArticleNews/story/CTVNews/1095307860595_90717060?s_name=&no_ads=
Just imagine.. if it weren’t for Warren Kinsella, the man “he’d walk through walls for”, Jean Chretien, wouldn’t face the prospect of going down in history as Canada’s most corrupt prime minister.
That’s only a guess though.
Oh, and a matter of factual inaccuracy: I am not the “administrator” of the Shotgun blog.
Ahhhh….smell the fear in Liberal Hearts. It smells like “victory in the morning” 🙂
Notice how desperate and even more vitriolic the Liberals become when they’re frightened? Lovely.
The LIbs aren’t afraid Harper will “destroy” canada…..they’re worried that Harper will actually do as he promised, and OPEN THE BOOKS to the Auditor General. When the public realizes that ADSCAM is just one program amongst many, meant to funnel money to the Liberal Party and their friends…..the LIberal Party is dead as an entity. Also…..the Libs are not worried that they won’t be allowed to enact legislation from behind the Government benches….they’re worried that they’ll be sitting behind bars because they’ve already BROKEN the laws on the books.
Smell that???……those poll numbers smell a lot like VICTORY don’t they? Ahhh…..
Breath deep my Liberal friends….breath deep.
Sorry, I didn’t understand Kate’s last post about the UN. Or maybe I didn’t understand her original post about the Angolans. Is she for or against people dying in Angola? The WHO is a UN agency; is this the “UN solution” which Kate finds so offensive? Or is she against the Angolans who are against the “UN solution”? And now that the WHO workers are back in Angola helping Angolans, is that a good or bad thing for Kate? Please help me, I’m retarded and not used to all this sophisticated debate on the internets.
Why bother, ottawonk? It’s pretty obvious these people don’t give a damn about Angola or anything else that doesn’t involve the Gomery Commission or Warren Kinsella. In their world, apparently, glib advocations to genocide are perfectly acceptable and don’t need to be defended.
Kate will be sorry to hear the genocide will not be necessary.
WHO resumes work in Angola. http://cnews.canoe.ca/CNEWS/World/2005/04/11/991715.html
Health workers who left western Angola after they were attacked by residents fearful of a deadly Ebola-like virus have resumed efforts to contain the disease, the World Health Organization said.
Residents in Uige province had mistakenly feared the WHO teams were spreading � instead of helping contain � the rare Marburg virus, which has killed 184 people out of a total 200 people infected, WHO�s spokesman in Angola, Dave Daigle, told the Associated Press by phone.
�Three teams have already resumed activities and are now following up on anyone who had contact with infected people recently,� Daigle said.
I see a whole hockey-sock of inexplicably self-righteous people have injured themselves in their attempts to leap to bizarre heights of imagined moral ascendancy.
One of the solutions to an outbreak of disease you can do nothing to halt, or are prevented from halting, is to quarantine the affected population and allow the disease to burn itself out. I suppose “seal off the borders” is an insensitive substitution for “quarantine”, and likewise “let nature take it’s course” for “allow the disease to burn itself out”. But there’s nothing genocidal about it, no matter how much the language offends your rose-petal ears. Or does the rose-petal language help you pretend to ignore the brutal truth of what is meant in human terms if such a drastic medical step might be taken?
I can’t sympathize with the victims because I can’t even begin to imagine their circumstances, but I do pity them.
And how do you translate ‘Perhaps nature will also knock some sense into them’ into kinder terms, lrC. Wondering when we’re allowed to lose sympathy for these people was a callous and cruel thing to post and instead of doing the right thing and apologizing – or even trying to help by posting links where people can donate to the cause – Kate tries to defend it by saying that Warren Kinsella is also bad.
Here’s a response that is way over the top. So WHO aid workers that are trying to help but are attacked instead should not even question whether it’s personally worth it to put themselves at risk to help someone who would possibly not only infect them, but may also physically injure them? Should the WHO workers forge ahead no matter what risks? How? At bayonet point? Is there no point where a WHO worker has the right to beg off? Get her point now?
Wow, more moral melodrama than an episode of classic �Degrassi�. The concerned Liberals had best be on the lookout for a CBC �pathetic melodrama infringement suit�.
I�m sure our righteous betters came to Kate�s site after pledging their hard earned dollars to Angolan relief measures and were understandably aghast at the notion of someone undermining the work of their generosity�or not.
As P.J. O�Rourke noted, “Man developed in Africa. He has not continued to do so there.” The problems in Africa�famine, disease, barbarity, are largely due to corrupt African leaders keeping their people poor, underfed and violent in the spirit of tribalistic power.
The left will of course argue that we have no right in interfering with the natural order of corrupt dictators, as they argued against the intervention in Iraq. They will instead argue that our �government� not the people should just send dollars�despite the fact that these dollars are gobbled up in �foreign aid� corruption as fast as �oil for food dollars� or �fountains for Shawinigen� dollars.
Sure�let the corrupt tribalism succeed, send in innocent workers to be killed by factions that could give a flying furnace about the fate of their fellow man; a lack of compassion, completely consistent with the rot of modern liberalism�a lack of regard for the individual.
To conclude, an exercise to further piss off the �concerned� Liberals in our midst�an excerpt from a little classic Kipling,
�Take up the White Man’s burden–
The savage wars of peace–
Fill full the mouth of Famine
And bid the sickness cease;
And when your goal is nearest
The end for others sought,
Watch sloth and heathen Folly
Bring all your hopes to nought.�
(In this context and in other words�lets go kill some WHO aid workers)
My $0.02:
1) To answer groovy-on-granville “Why does WK try to smear the CPC with something written here on SDA? I really don’t see the connection at all” –Warren points to the connection because of the official Conservative logo and “Conservative Blogger” caption that used to be on this site…However it now appears to have been taken off.
2) Kate, if anything you should thank Warren for the link because I estimate you got more visits to this ridiculous blog in one day following that link then ever before.
3) I understand your original post, and agree it was poorly worded, but not quite as bad as Warren makes it out to be.
“I estimate you got more visits to this ridiculous blog in one day following that link then ever before.”
Your estimate is a little off.
Best day this week was last Tuesday, with around 40,000 visits. That was a spike from the Gomery coverage.
So far, there have been over 3500 visits to SDA today, with about 5% of those coming from the link you followed.
The vast majority come in the main page. That usually indicates a regular reader.
Just a hunch, but I’ve probably sent more people to Warren’s site to read what he wrote about me, than he has sent here.
Also – I have not altered any of the logos, or the layout of this site for a couple of weeks, including the removal of any references to “conservative bloggers”. Didn’t exist in the first place.
There are images and feeds that come in from remote sources that sometimes change or even drop off if they are malfunctioning.
The “Blogging Tories” is a automated blogroll of unaffilaited, but conservative and liberatarian bloggers that refreshes wtih new entries so readers can track which sites have the fresh content.
You’ll notice it includes Captain’s Quarters, who is based in Minneapolis and probably would consider himself a Republican.
Perhaps that will clear up any confusion for people unfamilar with the technology common to fully functioning system-integrated blogs.
Wow. Ignorant, hateful comments and then not even a hint of apology. Looks like ol’ Warren was right.
(removed at writer’s request.)
Thoroughly disgusting but equally unsurprising coming from Conservative supporters. What’s great is that this is the same thread that critisizes Liberals for not having comments on their blogs…
Hey Kate, you’ll never guess who’s threatening to sue me over my last post. Seems old Warren loves lying in the most hateful and offensive way, but he gets awfully leery when something comes back at him. I note he isn’t denying it. He also doesn’t seem interested in where I heard it from, which seems pretty careless. Gosh, I hope nothing happens to his kids.
I can’t find an edit function, so when you get the chance, perhaps you can edit out my previous post. He can sue me to his little heart’s content for all the good it’ll do him, but there’s no reason to let him get you in trouble. Especially since he’s defamed you in pretty clear terms.
Kate,
Just wishing you well. I can understand your lack of patience when violence against rescuers is reported. Blunt words bring out blunt responses.
If the victims believe WHO is spreading the disease, who is spreading that tale? Why can’t WHO quarantine the area until the violence stops? Can’t you see the headlines” WHO forced to fire on victimes in order to save the victims.”
Well, you can also see why the vile tribal regimes in which ignorance and superstition fester in places like Angola are so popular with with the likes of Warren, and his oil and blood-soaked friends at the United Nations.
Without places like Iraq, Angola, the Sudan, there’d be no four star hotels for the fact finding diplomats, no blood and oil soaked riches to suck from aid programs.
No successful money laundering template for Liberal Party organizers and hacks to follow…
Heh.
Is it today or tomorrow that he’s being forced to testify?
Warren? Care to answer?
Ignorant, hateful, and a coward to boot.
Were my earlier comments so critical that you couldn’t bear the thought of people reading them?
Anyone can say something stupid. The fool is the one who refuses to listen to fair criticism.
How to prove that someone like Warren Kinsella appears to be a vile racist, the �liberal� way: (see disclaimer below)
1. We �know� Warren is a monster.
2. Warren seems to support violence (and possible killing) of innocent WHO teams trying to save the lives of Angolans, because he viciously opposes and distorts Kate�s proposal to save the lives of WHO team members so they can save people that won�t kill them. Warren also appears to oppose quarantines in the case of Africa since he trashed Kate�s suggestion of sealing borders. Since quarantines are known frequently effective in stopping the spread of disease and death, he must want many black Africans to die.
3. This would seem to mean he hates Angolans and presumably Africans in general and he seems to wants them to die.
4. Therefore Warren appears to be an evil monster who is also a racist.
5. We are appalled at the people who would associate with this creature. Surely they are not too all bad like him? Surely the industry group that hired him as lobbyist will not wish to be associated with a vile creature such as this?
See how easy it is?
1. Assume your political opponent is a monster.
2. Distort their position
3. Draw specious conclusions based on the worst possible interpretations of (2). This is allowed because of the assumption in (1).
4. Smear away! Your opponent is racist/evil/ignorant/vicious/fill in the blank.
5. Optionally wring your hands in an attempt to harm the individual�s financial, social or employment status.
For those paying attention, this is exactly what Warren has done to Kate.
Of course, in tossing off �Whorin� Warren� as a line, Kate could hardly expect kid glove treatment from the �James Carville� of Canada.
DISCLAIMER:
And, no, Kate does not appear to be remotely a racist to me. In Warren�s case, I believe he�s every bit as much a racist as Kate is; i.e. I don�t believe any the left-wing style smear logic of the first set of points above.
The leftist people who show up here assuming racism just boggle my mind. They�re all set to smear and sneer without for a moment thinking through the consequences. I�m relieved that the WHO and MSF (DWB) are going back in, and I hope they�ll be safe. But the idea that I took from Kate�s original post � that attacking (and potentially killing) medical teams has to be stopped is bang on.
People have a right to self determination. You can hope education will work, but if they insist on not being helped, and react with violence when you try to assist then there comes a point where you have to say �OK, good luck, we won�t interfere, we�ll just quarantine the area�. Or do the leftists support some form of soft-racist neo-colonialism?
Three final things: First, Mr. Kinsella�s got a right to earn a living. Perhaps if he actually associates with people who actually produce something other than hot-air and paper, he�ll learn the idiocies of Liberal approaches such as Kyoto. I think Kate�s dig at him was as fair as things I�ve seen on his website, but that�s not saying much.
Second, EBT, glad you removed your post. It was terrible; it reminded me of the kind of baseless smear (i.e. Warren supports certain activities) I�d expect to see elsewhere. Responding to liberal smears with hardcore attacks back is a really bad idea. It may give a moments satisfaction, but it�s just descending to their level.
Finally, looks like a nice blog; thank you for blogging, Kate. I�ve visited quite a few times before, but I think I�ll make a habit of doing so more regularly (and perhaps lurking less).
Holmwood
I removed EBT’s comment at his request, but would have anyway. With the volume the site is getting, I do end up deleting a few. The only other one is a comment someone left pimping another site.
It’s too bad the “critics” have so little in their debating arsenal. Apparently someone has given them the mistaken impression that namecalling constitutes a logical argument.
You complain that no one offers arguments, and when detailed arguments are offered, you silence the critics and accuse them of link pimping.
And you would have us believe that there is anything waiting for your “critics” but more lame excuses?
Something tells me I could have written a treatise on why you are wrong and you would have complained about the font.
EBT�I don�t know what you wrote but from Kate�s and others comments it appears to have been over the top.
That said, if you have proof that your comments are based in fact and were not delivered with malicious intent, I would answer Whore�n Warren�s threat of a libel suit with a two word response rhyming with duck boff.
That thin-skinned Chretien apologist has threatened libel suits more than once�I�d love to hear him argue that he incurred meaningful damage to his reputation from an anonymous blog rant.
Not knowing the facts, or for that matter not really having more than a cursory understanding of Canadian libel law I�d predict that you would walk away with costs.
imposing virtue
Anti-aboriginal? It echoes in the calls of imposing virtue. I won’t accept any tutelage from any Liberal. After all, this party put a price on the head of Louis Riel, watched him die and then exonerated him….
What EBT wrote was over the top. At least Kate had the good sense to delete it…although I’m still wondering what exactly she meant when she talked about letting “nature take its course.”
Actually, what I wrote was no more offensive than an accusation of racism. Warren just can’t take it when someone operates at his level.
The stupidest thing Warren could possibly do would be to sue me. I don’t want to say more because it might discourage him. But if he thinks organizing hate mail campaigns is amusing, I’m ready and willing to give him some lessons in advanced fun. All he has to do is give me the opportunity.