The Liberals could make some easy, win/win concessions to the US on trade if they really wanted to. They are the only party that could afford to dismantle supply mismanagement, electorally speaking. And Blubber Dougie would fold like a cheap tent on the booze ban if Carney insisted. But Canadians seem to prefer the passive aggressive route instead.
The U.S. has also complained about Canada’s administration of dairy import quotas created under USMCA and raised concerns over milk pricing policies and market access for U.S. dairy products. Prime Minister Mark Carney’s government has said previously supply management will not be on the negotiating table.
I don’t think that’s true. The dairy lobby is not just powerful on its own, it’s connected to a lot of other special interests. If the Liberals dismantle supply management the party will survive, but everyone involved in the decision will be driven out of politics and impoverished forever – assuming they’re even allowed to get to the point of dismantling the cartels.
The wild card here is the CCP. I don’t know if they care one way or another about supply management except as an indirect way of messing with the US. If the Chinese decide it’s in their best interests for supply management to fall, Quebec won’t be able to stop them.
“The wild card here is the CCP” BINGO, BINGO BINGO! There is a lot of foreign interest into the disintegration of Canada, taking into consideration how much our land has to offer in terms of resources. And if first nations think they’ll be partners in any future “endeavours”… the only partners are the Chiefs, who’ve been robbing their people blind.
It would be so entertaining if the CCP formalized it’s control of Canada instead of just running it as a proxy. Chief Big Screen: Where’s our cut?
CCP installed boss: Bang! Next question.
the only thing North American socialists ever got right was that Free Trade is bad.
Our trade protectionism good, yours is bad
Pssst … Canada … Animal Farm was a CAUTIONARY tale … not a blueprint.
Come on Liberals. You claim that Trump is a cretin. Surely your back room can invent some carve up of supply management that can be toothless and worst case can be revoked on November 8, 2028.
If nothing comes out of a new agreement other than the dismantling of our Dairy mafia, I will be delighted.
“If nothing comes out of a new agreement other than the dismantling of our Dairy mafia, I will be delighted.”
Same here. I’ve been asking why Canada’s ‘conservative’ party keeps supporting this BS for years now, but never get any answers other than lame (and debunked) propaganda about hormones and antibiotic practices.
Quebec runs Canada, and since the lion share of dairy farms are there, Canadians must pay the price for protecting them.
19th all-time high on the Dow this year …
https://www.marketwatch.com/investing/index/djia
But … if you think like KM … this has nothing to do with a healthy economy. No, all these idiots are investing in a horrible economy that Trump’s tariffs … and war … and Tweets … have destroyed. Yep. That’s what ya gotta believe … that the Orangebadman has wrecked the US economy because he isn’t a ‘true conservative’ who knows what a ‘free market’ means. Unh huh … that’s the ticket.
I’m regularly told by the smart people that American milk is crap. If this is true opening up the dairy industry should be great for Canadians. None of us will buy the poisonous American milk and Americans will get the opportunity to buy the clean, pure Canadian milk which they will flock to because it’s so much better.
“I’m regularly told by the smart people that American milk is crap. ”
Maybe, maybe not. But it is widely known that Canadian milk is crap compared to the products of New Zealand, Ireland, Switzerland, Japan, The Netherlands, etc.
L – The Low hanging fruit to re-establish our long standing strategic relationship with our America cousins isn’t the dairy, egg poultry cartel that keeps healthy animal protein and fat 30 % higher for struggling Canadians. It’s priced so Quebec gets a higher market share of supply quotas.
The Trump administration’s top priority is Security. The Liberal/Trudeau/Carney “strategic” relationship with the Communist Party government of China is why, Canada’s membership in the Five Eyes Anglosphere security group is, in effect suspended.
Add in the Canadian government’s protective relationship with international drug cartels shipping drugs into the U.S.A. from Superlabs in Canada I.e. Vancouver and Alberta.
Additionally, the Liberals under Trudeau and Carney protection and funding of an international terrorist groups e.i. the Islamic Republic )of Iran) Guard Corps. the M.B. et al. That is the Rogue White Elephant in the room. The Trump administration and whomever follows it, likely Republican, have to deal with it. Their Northern border is no longer secure, nor is their land access to Alaska.
Yes, Canada is hooped and will go into a Depression or not depending on CUSMA, but Security reforms are required to fulfill the Good Neighbour covenant with our America cousins. Yes, there is an echo of the commandment “Love Thy Neighbour as thyself! Also, the variant that makes up the Golden Rule “Do Unto Others as You would have them do unto you!”
This because of a shared religious, cultural, and political history as far back as the Magna Carta and earlier. “Canada recognizes The Rule of Law and the Supremacy of God: …” by the rules of grammar what follows the colon is understood by what precedes the colon.
“If it’s the Truth that sets you free. The corollary is, then it is ignorance that enslaves you.”
I would get rid of our supply management programs but we need to realize that the gargantuan US Dairy lobby continues to grow, and milks on an industrial scale. American milk producers are used to the government buying up their cheese and are always looking to dump their milk on other countries. And you’re right, Rusty. The US milk and products like butter and cheese are not good. But Canadian products aren’t much better. Anyone who’s tasted Danish or Irish butter is asking why our expensive milk marketing board produces such tasteless goo. Free the market and free the cows!
My family has 2 rec properties in NW Montana. We travel down there frequently. We used to bring back lots of things from there including groceries but largely don’t anymore because American prices are often the same as Canadian prices now (or higher) so there are very few savings to be had. However, we do bring back butter, some cheese products, and russet potatoes. American butter is much better than Canadian butter. MUCH better. We have neighbours who ask us to bring butter back with us for them. Cheese is mostly the same quality but there is a selection of brands and types we don’t have in Canada. I am told American Philadelphia Cream Cheese is way better than the Canadian stuff but I haven’t tried it. Chicken and pork are cheaper with much bigger cuts. Obviously due to hormones but we don’t care. There are quite a few things that are much more expensive than Canada in U.S. stores now.
I blame my low-T on American Dairy … who knew I was involuntarily ‘transitioning’ with all that bovine hormonal replacement therapy.
American butter snatched my nuts! Ohhhhhhhhhhhhhh mommmaaaaaaaaa
“American butter is much better than Canadian butter. MUCH better.”
The corrupt Quebec Dairy Cartel cuts Canadian butter with Palm Oil to expand the product and maximize profit.
Based on the comments, shouldnt it be “low hanging teats”?
I see Elon Musk has gotten into the milking industry …
https://dairyequipmentmfg.com/wp-content/uploads/2025/11/word-image-1452-4.png
Just stand still Bessie … this will all be over in a wink of your eyelash
Here we are in the 21st century, but still haggling over dairy.
I feel like I live in a feudal era.
Outside the walls.
Oh, well…
Speaking of 21st Century milking … see my post directly above.
When I was 10yo in 1966 … I thought this was the dumbest song ever … not understanding the context of home milk delivery which was long gone in my neighborhood …
https://youtu.be/wdCHlJoAP8I?si=EtKI6ZSBguIhXngM
But I still adored this song … and actually drove by my wannabe girlfriends home on my stingray bike and sang it to her on her lawn …
https://youtu.be/sF85zww4IQM?si=31wGr4V_fwyQVPz7
I expect if a kid did that today he’d get shot or at least hauled off by the police. Makes one wonder if our modern world has really improved? Now I suppose 10 boys just send dikk pics to their wannabe girlfriends. Yeah. Big improvement … SMH
Gonna repeat what I’ve said many times
Trump declared at the outset that if Canada wants free unfettered access to the US market then Canada needs to become part of the US market.
Me personally that’s a win win.
We gain economically and eliminate Ottawa in one move.
A few fun facts for the discussion:
1. The US dairy herd is the largest it has ever been.
2. The US dairy herd produces more dairy per cow than it ever has.
3. The international dairy market is considered “saturated”.
4. US dairy farmers are directly subsidized by the US government to the tune of $4 billion a year.
5. US dairy farmers are indirectly to the tune of about $22 billion a year.
6. The US FMMO regulates the price of milk in the US so farmers are guaranteed a minimum profit.
7. The USDA regularly buys “surplus” dairy products ensuring that there is always a demand for dairy in the US.
I’m not going to defend supply management but to imply the US system is market driven is simply not true. The main reason dairy is even on the agenda is because of the very influential US dairy industry (sound familiar). Also note most other regions do not import or import very little US dairy products, mainly for health and safety reasons.
One other interesting fact, according to the USDA, Canada is already the second biggest importer of US dairy in the world. More than the EU, more than China, more than Japan, more than South Korea, more than every country with a larger population than ours, except Mexico.
Interested to hear our US friends thoughts on this, especially Kenji’s.
See my comments below. The market is indeed in play — the large herds are due to the monster beef prices. Unfortunately for dairy farmers, this means a surplus of dairy products — which has been the case in the USA since at least the 1970’s.
And yes, the Yanks do subsidize their dairy farmers. IF I were Canadian, I’d be yelling loudly that you’ll drop your import limits when the Yanks drop their subsidies.
But as I point out below, all of that is besides the point. Trump won’t even negotiate with y’all now. It would definitely help your cause in the coming years (looks like Trump’s successor will likely be a Republican as well) if y’all didn’t act like a bunch of MS-NOW radical Dems.
” IF I were Canadian, I’d be yelling loudly that you’ll drop your import limits when the Yanks drop their subsidies.”
At least the subsidies don’t make their dairy and chicken products 3x more expensive *for the consumer* than they should be. Our ‘supply management’ does (and conveniently makes the Quebec dairy corporations wealthier every year).
If I have to choose between protecting the profits of big corporations and protecting low-income consumers, I’ll pick the consumers every time.
My 10,000 ft. armchair thoughts? Farm subsidies are a complex issue. I believe they serve a very important purpose that contribute to our land of plenty. If farmers cannot make money on their farm products, because we have over saturation … over production for the market, … then a completely FREE marketplace could turn that surplus into shortage … perhaps even starvation in a single season. If dairy farmers all decided their only logical economic choice was to slaughter their cows because dairy was not viable … then we could go from dairy surplus to dairy shortage in the blink of an eye.
Food production markets need stabilization. Weather and pests alone destabilize food markets randomly and devastatingly. We don’t need the totally ‘free’ marketplace doing even worse.
So what does that mean for Trump and The Canadian Diary market protectionism? Both parties have valid points and seek nationalistic protection of the industry. This is where Trump’s apparently bellicose comment about the 51st State starts to make some sense. If the US and Canada Dairy Farmers were both playing for the same team … selling to the same larger marketplace, regulated by a single government … then ALL our dairy farmers could thrive. It actually makes a LOT of economic and farm subsidy sense.
That’s how I see it. I don’t really blame Canadian dairy farmers … but I don’t blame ours either … nor do I blame Trump. Since we remain two independent countries … we need to negotiate a settlement … not just tell the other to pound sand. That’s what Trump does … he makes business deals.
Hey Kenji,
A few months ago I said something like “in the US dairy farmers are subsidized by the government, in Canada they’re subsidized by the people.” That’s basically difference between the two systems, the problem is they’re incompatible. I think, if we argue from the point of food security, the Canadian intransigence makes a little more sense.
That said, I think Carney would sell out Canada’s food security in a heartbeat if he could profit from it. I think he’s more worried about the dairy cartel than anything else.
From this Yank’s perspective … the poor beleaguered Canadian taxpayer (and market-manipulated consumer) … could really use the RELIEF of a Trump economy and tax relief.
BTW … I could argue that the Canadian system of making the Consumer subsidize the market is actually quite disproportionate and cruel. I would argue that young families are the largest consumer of milk products as we oldsters tend to taper our use substantially. Hence making the direct consumer pay the fare is a regressive tax on the poorest, neediest segment of society.
By spreading the subsidizing across the entire population … the actual out of pocket (taxation) is much less for those who need the products most. It’s a more equitable subsidy.
But I can only imagine your Canadian Boomers simply HATE that idea … as much as they HATE the BadOrangeMan.
Yank here. Some notes:
1. It’s entirely understandable that any country wants to (needs to!) preserve its food supply. That is a valid national security concern. Ask your Brit cousins how that worked for them during WW1 and WW2 (or the Germans for that matter). That’s part of the reasons that the Yanks subsidize their agriculture — which is different than your protection scheme, but accomplishes the same things.
2. Forget about a deal during Trump. Your liberal parties (and to some extent your conservatives) lived off of “Trump is Stupid” and “Trump is Evil” to gain office, and then y’all didn’t live up to that last agreement. Trump has other things to do besides worrying about Canada. The USA can live w/o maple syrup, but Canada can’t live w/o exports to USA, and Trump knows that. Let’s see… 30 more months of Trump, so no GNP growth for the next 3 years. Sucks, right?
3. Your liberal parties are subsidized, in large amounts, by American liberal Dems. So long as that exists, your liberal parties are gonna sound like unhinged American Dems. And of course, you won’t build pipelines ’cause the American liberals own huge parts of your CN railroad stock. Until you fix that, you won’t get any change.
4. Carney is an Oxford Don, his family is as privileged and rich as Donald Trump’s family. There was a time when your liberal parties gave a (bear feces) about the poor, the working class, but akin to American families, they care about liberal elites now.
Thanks for the thoughtful reply. It’s nice to see someone else understanding the situation in terms of security. President Trump has aptly demonstrated how quickly a situation can turn risky for a country. That said, I think President Trump still has a soft spot for Canada. I can’t imagine what things would be like if someone malevolent were in power.
You are also quite right about our current crop of political elites only being in power to enrich themselves. They’d sell out the country to China if they thought it would make them a buck (Oh, wait!)
The Food Professor on US/Can trade, 1 minute video
“This is not a trade war. Trade wars end. What is happening right now is a permanent shift in how the most powerful economy on earth sees its relationship with the rest of the world. The countries that understand that will adapt. The countries that don’t will be left negotiating with a rulebook that no longer exists.
Every time a politician calls this a trade war, they are telling you they don’t understand what’s happening. A trade war is temporary. A shift in foreign policy is structural. One requires retaliation. The other requires a completely different strategy. Canada chose retaliation. And we are paying for it at the checkout.”
https://x.com/thesovereignceo/status/2072063415539917299
“President Trump expected to formally declare that the U.S. will not renew the USMCA/CUSMA, triggering the agreement’s sunset review process.”
https://x.com/FoodProfessor/status/2072022399726358608
The 10y review that will be kicked off on a non-extension declaration– is in place until there is a bi-lat deal between Mexico and the U.S. then it will be a withdrawal within 6mos.
I follow 4 blogs daily – this delightful place, Ace of Spades, Instapundit and the Conservative Treehouse.
It is interesting getting the 2 perspectives about Canada here and the Treehouse.
havermeyer, I expect the US notification of a 6 months withdrawal, not a 10 years declaration, and the purest of bullshit we’ve ever seen from both the federal gov’t and the entirety of Canada’s MSM, though I don’t include Juno News and Rebel News with the MSM.
I concur. It’s a shame because the countries of Mexico, US and Canada could be world dominating. We could totally extricate ourselves from the Mideast (incl. Israel) and trade with Asia and simply pity what was and could have been Europe.
Extricate ourselves from the ME? Ohhhh … too late. We’ve imported the ME into our Western Nations. It’s just a matter of time till they outbreed us and seize total control of Western Democracies.
We will longingly look back at Trump’s ME … intervention … and mourn that we didn’t do it harder and faster.
Thanks, Marc, that is brilliant. The Food Professor understands Trump’s tactics and strategy better than do 65% of Americans. Cheers.
But, but, but … the “Rules Based Order”! The orange buffoon is breaking all the rules! How dare he! Why doesn’t someone take him out!? Chirp the EU bureaucrats … and their Canadian sycophants.
I saw your headline and thought, look, I’m no fan of GYM but surely he’s never actually hanged anybody? Fortunately I read on, and am reassured.