Video:Trip Chowdry and Gabe Hoffman discuss Tesla’s “flat out lies”
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How many miles will a Tesla go on a charge if the temp is below zero F and you need to run the heater and defroster? They are the monorail of cars. The old joke about monorails is that they are trains that take you places you could have walked anyway. A modest exaggeration with Teslas, but the point stands.
A friend’s husband was called to a tow job in Michigan a few days ago, the EV (don’t know which make) driver was freezing, because he couldn’t idle to generate any heat.
Quote: Temperature effect: an important note: At temperatures below 10 Celsius, charge at a 0,25C rate. This indicates that when it’s cold, the battery must be recharged at half the current. In a Tesla Model S with a cold battery pack, regenerative braking is limited or even unavailable. Gradually, as the pack warms, recharging via regenerative braking becomes available again. The Chevrolet Volt does the same when its battery is cold (as when left unplugged overnight in extreme cold)….
At 40 Celsius, you get more energy (3250mAh) and at -20 Celsius, less energy (2200mAh). So in cold weather, electric range is affected because the battery is too cold. /quote
So don’t leave your EV out in the cold, or unplugged if the temperature starts getting really cold out, otherwise you are going to run into a whole bunch of problems. http://blog.evandmore.com/lets-talk-about-the-panasonic-ncr18650b/
Apparently the tesla semi is anti-gravity because it can accelerate up a gradient.
I have some beanie babies and tulips available. I keep those near my bitcoins.
Trip Chowdry sounds like he works for Tesla. Either that or he’s protecting his own interest in the firm. When an analyst is that over the top for a stock you’ve got to take what he says with a grain of salt.
Hoffman was grounded in reality. If management is lying to you, run for the hills. Chowdry, on the other hand, was full of religious fervour.
I know who I would want to be taking investment advice from.
It really is amazing, how easy it is for people to believe what they want to believe, and the ability to ignore and dismiss everything else.
When Jeremy Siegel — a professor specializing in investment — said in 2000 that many technology stocks were grossly overpriced, he was subjected to vicious abuse (which he took in stride).
That video mirrored exactly what I have seen with my own eyes, many automotive industry writers clearly pointing out Musk’s endless misrepresentations and outright lies while the mainstream media offer him the usual protection due a libtard god…. ignore and deflect.
Two back-to-back quarters where the company’s reported figures are EIGHTY PERCENT off of factual? That is stunning and at the very least, dishonest as all hell, probably punishable. Along with that, any normal share-holder should be raising a ruckus at Musk’s now laughable efforts to ’embarrass the big boys’ at manufacturing efficiency. Instead, they sit quietly by while Musk insults potential customers for being so naive as to believe him in the first place.
Testament to how zealots tend to turn off their brains when they hear lofty promises of endless rainbows and puppies.
Jay that anti-gravity stuff is 2 years into the future.
Im going one step further than Elon Musk and Tesla and am trying to develop a star trek transporter eliminating the ground and air transportation industry altogether.
I just need to get my hands on 500 Billion dollars and I can make it happen in 50 years or so……
C’mon Chowdry find me some money
Is Chowdry one of the Hindu “genius engineers” we are importing from India on H1b Visas to work at half the wage of American workers ? He sounds like he’s working on half a brain for those half wages. “Tesla … has invented antigravity” O.M.G. … this Tesla shill must be on Elon’s payroll. PS … every ICE truck is “accelerating” up steep grades … just as this beard-netted-nut-case excitedly proclaimed the Tesla Truck does in “defiance” of gravity. What a tool.
It truly is a cult.
Now, i find myself in a bit of a quandary. I think the Tesla thing is insanely uneconomic, utterly dependent on handouts from gullible politicians and headed for a spectacular bankruptcy. Musk pulled solarcity into teslas and wrapped it all up as part of that mess.
I love spacex, perhaps i am a member of that cult. I just want the oncoming tesla derailment to last long enough for spacex to be profitable, solvent and fulfill its promise.
Maybe Musks ability is to create enough separate reality distortion fields for all. You get a cult, and you get a cult and you too!
Trip Chowdry- The fantastic uphill anti-gravity cars and trucks technology is only 2 years into the future.
That is great, Al Gore has told me that in two years it will be so warm,
there will be no more ice and snow on those Canadian hills.
That’s not a Hindu hat he’s wearing, I think he’s a Sikh. Sikhs can be good people or bad in pretty much all the ways any people can, so that fellow is probably on a payroll to promote Tesla, and/or he has his own money invested in Tesla and needs more suckers to keep the scam going, and/or he’s a true believer.
We should always remember that every investment opportunity has people who ought to know advising that it’s a good one and other people who ought to know advising that it’s a bad one, and however it eventually turns out, at least one of those two sides who ought to have known better gets it wrong.
With so much government money subsidizing Tesla’s car manufacturing I think it must be a bad investment. The only smart people putting their own money into it are the ones who are hitching their bet to the subsidy and intending to sell their inflated shares before it crashes.
Sorry. I was using “Hindu” as a pejorative for H1b recipients hailing from the Indian subcontinent. But … I got the beard net right, didn’t I ? In all honesty … I know EXACTLY who and what the Sikhs are (as well as the Hindu’s) and quite like all of them that I have met or seen. A certain sect of Sikhs (say that 10x Fast) established a hippyish elementary school in our neighborhood, and are wonderful neighbors to have. I bristle MOST at the chain immigration and H1b Visas used as an excuse to flood CHEAP labor into America. It’s nothing personal whatsoever … I could care less about turbans, beard nets, or cotton robes. I ONLY see and experience … the PERSON inside those trappings. But Zuckerberg can go to hell, and quit whingeing about not finding enough qualified engineers in this country. My local Sikhs are far more likely to donate food to the homeless than run them down with a rental truck. Don’t worry … I won’t mistake them for the Muzzies … when the shooting starts.
Kenji, Sikhs can be as bad as Muslims in many ways, but just as all Muslims are not bad, neither are all Sikhs, witness Niki Hayley, of Sikh origin. She is one of my hero’s as well as that of many on the political right:-))
As to Tesla, scam is all I can say. About 15 years ago I had some idiot quacking about a new “capacitor”, that was going to solve most of EV problems. And I’v heard this BS many times in the ensuing years. I just tell the fools, a capacitor is a voltage devise, and leave it at that. They do not get what I am pointing at:-)))
On another note, there was a person who was going to invest in a research company that was working on a car that ran on H2O. I told his I was going try and invent a car that ran on ice cubes, just for us’n Kanadiand:-)))
BLIVERS, are stupid stupid people
No doubt.
You and I are cut from the same healthy skeptic’s cloth. “Believing” in things because you WANT to believe in them is stupid. And while I know you consider my Christian belief to fall into that category, I assure you it doesn’t. I am a very careful and cautious observer of TRUTH … which is the highest calling of man. To sort through every aspect of our lives and the world we live in is how mankind has evolved (yes, evolved) to this point in our development. Science is TRUTH. So when the Tesla fanboys speak of Elon’s upcoming “breakthrough” in “magic” batteries … I hear science-ignorant disciples squawking. I hear people who know nothing about the Chemistry of the Lithium (or any other metal) battery process.
I place as much “faith” in the Genome Project as I do in the written Word of God (yes, all my personal “tests” of God’s Word has stood up to my highly focused skepticism, doubt, and discernment). As there is TRUTH in science, so too is there TRUTH in human spirituality, personality, and nature. Despite our exponential changes in scientific knowledge, our spiritual character remains unchanged. We humans ARE what we have always been. Fragile, needy, selfish, survivalists with the same wonderful and horrible interpersonal relationships we’ve always had. Scientific knowledge hasn’t changed human nature. The human nature that God wants us to understand and channel for good. Take the case of the INTEL CEO insider-trading to maximize his personal profit to the detriment of all the outsiders who are left holding devalued stock. Here is a man who sits on top of the single greatest human scientific and technological device in the history of mankind … the computer processor chip. Yet, this CEO doesn’t behave as some “evolved” “scientific” human who sees the TRUTH of acting FAIRLY and EQUITABLY with respect to the coming devaluation of INTEL stock … nope. He acts JUST like ‘Og’ in the caves of Altamira … and GRABS the biggest, meatiest, mastodon thighbone before the weaker members of his clan have a chance to eat. Like a primitive beast.
Mankind NEEDS God. That is never going to change. Regardless of how much money, sex, or things one acquires.
“…If management is lying to you, run for the hills. …”
That’s the essential point. Even if, as Chowdry preaches, the technology can come true eventually, the company is willing to cheat investors and customers meanwhile which gives them an extra opportunity to fail in a big way before they get the stuff working.
Sikhs are very different from Muslims in important ways, possibly the most important being that the religion of the former doesn’t call on them to convert and/or conquer the whole world.
Tooner, Sikhs took some Hindu beliefs, some Muslim beliefs, and then added some of their own beliefs. As to forcing their religion on others, no they don’t, as to using militant and violence to make other Sikhs adhere to the “true calling, yes they do. They also believe in arranged marriages, female genital mutilation, and a caste system. So they are more alike than different.
Chowdry defines FANBOY. He swallows anything and everything Musk says and regurgitates on demand.
Tesla is such a spectacular failure, or lie, but the heavy investors continue the hype and lies. Ponzi scheme redux. As Hoffman says, they miss their targets at an 80% rate. What other company can get away with that and remain solvent? Answer, NONE. Yes, Telsa’s bankruptcy will be spectacular! Its long overdue.
Anti-gravity trucks……………..YOKAY!
IDIOT.
I knew that Elon Musk was a latter-day Elmer Gantry when I saw the phony battery swap video.
It turns out the top two tiers of government subsidies are reserved for rapid charge times and
quick-change battery swaps. Someone familiar with that Tesla model said the battery packs are
not only not modular, it takes 2 mechanics 12 hours to accomplish the task. The video was
akin to some third-rate magician who held up a curtain and mere minutes later, the job was
done. Musk was simply whoring for top-tier subsidies, because without them, Tesla would
be bankrupt. They have not shown a dime’s worth of profits since the company was formed.
The real problem is that the average consumer cannot tell the difference between a watt, a
watt-hour, an amp or an ohm. I actually debated a guy on another site who claimed that he
could improve the mileage of his Chevy Volt. He actually believed that the “Combined fuel
economy” meter was a reflection of reality! He truly believed that with proper pedal
discipline, he could get 200 MPG. His battery pack was good for the same 40 miles as
the 100+-year-old Roberts Electric Car and the lawnmower sized ICE was good for (I think
it was 36-37 MPG) with about a 12-gallon tank. I did the math and even if recharging the
battery could be done without too much parasitic loss in ICE range, it could only add another
40 miles to the total range.
Kind of reminds me of some enviro-kook who claimed that one could charge his Hydrogen fuel cell
car in his garage with enough surplus to pump electricity back to the grid on off hours after the
car was fueled. He actually claimed that the energy could be stored for later use. It was not
H2O or Ice that this guy was selling, it was unicorn farts!
This article was published a year ago todady. It reiterated the hordes of problems that EV owners experience in cold weather. This is the paragraph that had me laughing out loud.
”Layered clothing. The easiest way to conserve battery power is using little to no heat. Always dress in layers when heading out in winter so you can stay warm whether or not the climate control system helps. A scarf, hat and driving gloves complete winter attire in an EV.” (End of quote)
Hello Einstein!! How do you expect to keep the windows cleared in -30°C temps. without heating the air coming out of the defroster ducts???
Question: Does anyone here remember how to install a frost shield?? https://www.fleetcarma.com/extend-electric-vehicle-range-winter/
I wonder if Mr. Musk’s EVs could keep up to this Model T as it makes it’s way over Ben Nevis, Scotland’s highest peak. (4411 Ft.) While the opening scene was filmed using an antique film format, from 0:40 on, the picture is authentic 1911. Enjoy! https://youtu.be/jaNgYhvmtzA
Funny, I saw this in play here in Victoria last week, as we were in frigid LaLa Land winter of -2C. Sitting at a light, a Prius was beside me. Windows fogged up, driver wearing a toque and gloves.
Idiots. It’s unsafe to drive with fogged windows but hey, saving GAIA!
How many miles will a Tesla go on a charge if the temp is below zero F and you need to run the heater and defroster? They are the monorail of cars. The old joke about monorails is that they are trains that take you places you could have walked anyway. A modest exaggeration with Teslas, but the point stands.
A friend’s husband was called to a tow job in Michigan a few days ago, the EV (don’t know which make) driver was freezing, because he couldn’t idle to generate any heat.
Quote: Temperature effect: an important note: At temperatures below 10 Celsius, charge at a 0,25C rate. This indicates that when it’s cold, the battery must be recharged at half the current. In a Tesla Model S with a cold battery pack, regenerative braking is limited or even unavailable. Gradually, as the pack warms, recharging via regenerative braking becomes available again. The Chevrolet Volt does the same when its battery is cold (as when left unplugged overnight in extreme cold)….
At 40 Celsius, you get more energy (3250mAh) and at -20 Celsius, less energy (2200mAh). So in cold weather, electric range is affected because the battery is too cold. /quote
So don’t leave your EV out in the cold, or unplugged if the temperature starts getting really cold out, otherwise you are going to run into a whole bunch of problems.
http://blog.evandmore.com/lets-talk-about-the-panasonic-ncr18650b/
Apparently the tesla semi is anti-gravity because it can accelerate up a gradient.
I have some beanie babies and tulips available. I keep those near my bitcoins.
Trip Chowdry sounds like he works for Tesla. Either that or he’s protecting his own interest in the firm. When an analyst is that over the top for a stock you’ve got to take what he says with a grain of salt.
Hoffman was grounded in reality. If management is lying to you, run for the hills. Chowdry, on the other hand, was full of religious fervour.
I know who I would want to be taking investment advice from.
It really is amazing, how easy it is for people to believe what they want to believe, and the ability to ignore and dismiss everything else.
When Jeremy Siegel — a professor specializing in investment — said in 2000 that many technology stocks were grossly overpriced, he was subjected to vicious abuse (which he took in stride).
That video mirrored exactly what I have seen with my own eyes, many automotive industry writers clearly pointing out Musk’s endless misrepresentations and outright lies while the mainstream media offer him the usual protection due a libtard god…. ignore and deflect.
Two back-to-back quarters where the company’s reported figures are EIGHTY PERCENT off of factual? That is stunning and at the very least, dishonest as all hell, probably punishable. Along with that, any normal share-holder should be raising a ruckus at Musk’s now laughable efforts to ’embarrass the big boys’ at manufacturing efficiency. Instead, they sit quietly by while Musk insults potential customers for being so naive as to believe him in the first place.
Testament to how zealots tend to turn off their brains when they hear lofty promises of endless rainbows and puppies.
Jay that anti-gravity stuff is 2 years into the future.
Im going one step further than Elon Musk and Tesla and am trying to develop a star trek transporter eliminating the ground and air transportation industry altogether.
I just need to get my hands on 500 Billion dollars and I can make it happen in 50 years or so……
C’mon Chowdry find me some money
Is Chowdry one of the Hindu “genius engineers” we are importing from India on H1b Visas to work at half the wage of American workers ? He sounds like he’s working on half a brain for those half wages. “Tesla … has invented antigravity” O.M.G. … this Tesla shill must be on Elon’s payroll. PS … every ICE truck is “accelerating” up steep grades … just as this beard-netted-nut-case excitedly proclaimed the Tesla Truck does in “defiance” of gravity. What a tool.
It truly is a cult.
Now, i find myself in a bit of a quandary. I think the Tesla thing is insanely uneconomic, utterly dependent on handouts from gullible politicians and headed for a spectacular bankruptcy. Musk pulled solarcity into teslas and wrapped it all up as part of that mess.
I love spacex, perhaps i am a member of that cult. I just want the oncoming tesla derailment to last long enough for spacex to be profitable, solvent and fulfill its promise.
Maybe Musks ability is to create enough separate reality distortion fields for all. You get a cult, and you get a cult and you too!
Trip Chowdry- The fantastic uphill anti-gravity cars and trucks technology is only 2 years into the future.
That is great, Al Gore has told me that in two years it will be so warm,
there will be no more ice and snow on those Canadian hills.
That’s not a Hindu hat he’s wearing, I think he’s a Sikh. Sikhs can be good people or bad in pretty much all the ways any people can, so that fellow is probably on a payroll to promote Tesla, and/or he has his own money invested in Tesla and needs more suckers to keep the scam going, and/or he’s a true believer.
We should always remember that every investment opportunity has people who ought to know advising that it’s a good one and other people who ought to know advising that it’s a bad one, and however it eventually turns out, at least one of those two sides who ought to have known better gets it wrong.
With so much government money subsidizing Tesla’s car manufacturing I think it must be a bad investment. The only smart people putting their own money into it are the ones who are hitching their bet to the subsidy and intending to sell their inflated shares before it crashes.
Sorry. I was using “Hindu” as a pejorative for H1b recipients hailing from the Indian subcontinent. But … I got the beard net right, didn’t I ? In all honesty … I know EXACTLY who and what the Sikhs are (as well as the Hindu’s) and quite like all of them that I have met or seen. A certain sect of Sikhs (say that 10x Fast) established a hippyish elementary school in our neighborhood, and are wonderful neighbors to have. I bristle MOST at the chain immigration and H1b Visas used as an excuse to flood CHEAP labor into America. It’s nothing personal whatsoever … I could care less about turbans, beard nets, or cotton robes. I ONLY see and experience … the PERSON inside those trappings. But Zuckerberg can go to hell, and quit whingeing about not finding enough qualified engineers in this country. My local Sikhs are far more likely to donate food to the homeless than run them down with a rental truck. Don’t worry … I won’t mistake them for the Muzzies … when the shooting starts.
Kenji, Sikhs can be as bad as Muslims in many ways, but just as all Muslims are not bad, neither are all Sikhs, witness Niki Hayley, of Sikh origin. She is one of my hero’s as well as that of many on the political right:-))
As to Tesla, scam is all I can say. About 15 years ago I had some idiot quacking about a new “capacitor”, that was going to solve most of EV problems. And I’v heard this BS many times in the ensuing years. I just tell the fools, a capacitor is a voltage devise, and leave it at that. They do not get what I am pointing at:-)))
On another note, there was a person who was going to invest in a research company that was working on a car that ran on H2O. I told his I was going try and invent a car that ran on ice cubes, just for us’n Kanadiand:-)))
BLIVERS, are stupid stupid people
No doubt.
You and I are cut from the same healthy skeptic’s cloth. “Believing” in things because you WANT to believe in them is stupid. And while I know you consider my Christian belief to fall into that category, I assure you it doesn’t. I am a very careful and cautious observer of TRUTH … which is the highest calling of man. To sort through every aspect of our lives and the world we live in is how mankind has evolved (yes, evolved) to this point in our development. Science is TRUTH. So when the Tesla fanboys speak of Elon’s upcoming “breakthrough” in “magic” batteries … I hear science-ignorant disciples squawking. I hear people who know nothing about the Chemistry of the Lithium (or any other metal) battery process.
I place as much “faith” in the Genome Project as I do in the written Word of God (yes, all my personal “tests” of God’s Word has stood up to my highly focused skepticism, doubt, and discernment). As there is TRUTH in science, so too is there TRUTH in human spirituality, personality, and nature. Despite our exponential changes in scientific knowledge, our spiritual character remains unchanged. We humans ARE what we have always been. Fragile, needy, selfish, survivalists with the same wonderful and horrible interpersonal relationships we’ve always had. Scientific knowledge hasn’t changed human nature. The human nature that God wants us to understand and channel for good. Take the case of the INTEL CEO insider-trading to maximize his personal profit to the detriment of all the outsiders who are left holding devalued stock. Here is a man who sits on top of the single greatest human scientific and technological device in the history of mankind … the computer processor chip. Yet, this CEO doesn’t behave as some “evolved” “scientific” human who sees the TRUTH of acting FAIRLY and EQUITABLY with respect to the coming devaluation of INTEL stock … nope. He acts JUST like ‘Og’ in the caves of Altamira … and GRABS the biggest, meatiest, mastodon thighbone before the weaker members of his clan have a chance to eat. Like a primitive beast.
Mankind NEEDS God. That is never going to change. Regardless of how much money, sex, or things one acquires.
“…If management is lying to you, run for the hills. …”
That’s the essential point. Even if, as Chowdry preaches, the technology can come true eventually, the company is willing to cheat investors and customers meanwhile which gives them an extra opportunity to fail in a big way before they get the stuff working.
Sikhs are very different from Muslims in important ways, possibly the most important being that the religion of the former doesn’t call on them to convert and/or conquer the whole world.
Tooner, Sikhs took some Hindu beliefs, some Muslim beliefs, and then added some of their own beliefs. As to forcing their religion on others, no they don’t, as to using militant and violence to make other Sikhs adhere to the “true calling, yes they do. They also believe in arranged marriages, female genital mutilation, and a caste system. So they are more alike than different.
Chowdry defines FANBOY. He swallows anything and everything Musk says and regurgitates on demand.
Tesla is such a spectacular failure, or lie, but the heavy investors continue the hype and lies. Ponzi scheme redux. As Hoffman says, they miss their targets at an 80% rate. What other company can get away with that and remain solvent? Answer, NONE. Yes, Telsa’s bankruptcy will be spectacular! Its long overdue.
Anti-gravity trucks……………..YOKAY!
IDIOT.
I knew that Elon Musk was a latter-day Elmer Gantry when I saw the phony battery swap video.
It turns out the top two tiers of government subsidies are reserved for rapid charge times and
quick-change battery swaps. Someone familiar with that Tesla model said the battery packs are
not only not modular, it takes 2 mechanics 12 hours to accomplish the task. The video was
akin to some third-rate magician who held up a curtain and mere minutes later, the job was
done. Musk was simply whoring for top-tier subsidies, because without them, Tesla would
be bankrupt. They have not shown a dime’s worth of profits since the company was formed.
The real problem is that the average consumer cannot tell the difference between a watt, a
watt-hour, an amp or an ohm. I actually debated a guy on another site who claimed that he
could improve the mileage of his Chevy Volt. He actually believed that the “Combined fuel
economy” meter was a reflection of reality! He truly believed that with proper pedal
discipline, he could get 200 MPG. His battery pack was good for the same 40 miles as
the 100+-year-old Roberts Electric Car and the lawnmower sized ICE was good for (I think
it was 36-37 MPG) with about a 12-gallon tank. I did the math and even if recharging the
battery could be done without too much parasitic loss in ICE range, it could only add another
40 miles to the total range.
Kind of reminds me of some enviro-kook who claimed that one could charge his Hydrogen fuel cell
car in his garage with enough surplus to pump electricity back to the grid on off hours after the
car was fueled. He actually claimed that the energy could be stored for later use. It was not
H2O or Ice that this guy was selling, it was unicorn farts!
This article was published a year ago todady. It reiterated the hordes of problems that EV owners experience in cold weather. This is the paragraph that had me laughing out loud.
”Layered clothing. The easiest way to conserve battery power is using little to no heat. Always dress in layers when heading out in winter so you can stay warm whether or not the climate control system helps. A scarf, hat and driving gloves complete winter attire in an EV.” (End of quote)
Hello Einstein!! How do you expect to keep the windows cleared in -30°C temps. without heating the air coming out of the defroster ducts???
Question: Does anyone here remember how to install a frost shield??
https://www.fleetcarma.com/extend-electric-vehicle-range-winter/
I wonder if Mr. Musk’s EVs could keep up to this Model T as it makes it’s way over Ben Nevis, Scotland’s highest peak. (4411 Ft.) While the opening scene was filmed using an antique film format, from 0:40 on, the picture is authentic 1911. Enjoy!
https://youtu.be/jaNgYhvmtzA
Funny, I saw this in play here in Victoria last week, as we were in frigid LaLa Land winter of -2C. Sitting at a light, a Prius was beside me. Windows fogged up, driver wearing a toque and gloves.
Idiots. It’s unsafe to drive with fogged windows but hey, saving GAIA!