We will see how the new CPC leader works towards some kind of accountability within the Party. As a lapsed member I am willing to listen. Since the last election there has been little to no effort in my riding to reorganize or ask for input from the membership. What was once a bastion under Reform and for many years as CPC our riding has gone form 1740 members to less than 300. That is the status of this Party in a nutshell.
Image and personality is important but the policy and vision of a Bernier impressed me more. AT some point the CPC will realize that pandering to left wing media is a fools game. It is a losing game. Yes, personal responsibility and ‘realistic’ assessment of what an individual and a government can actually deliver has to happen, on a regular basis.
If this leader espouses Lib-Lite philosophy I will not be with the CPC. Ultimately the only way Canada’s predominately left wing population will ever change their belief system will be an almost inevitable financial crisis.
“As leader, Mr. Scheer will continue to pursue Mr. Harper’s goals of lower taxes, balanced budgets, and closer cooperation with Canada’s international allies….
Here, let me finish that sentence for ya.
…and mega-millions of tax-payer dollars shelled out to multi-millionaires as overtures to federal to federal election campaigns.”
“…and mega-millions of tax-payer dollars shelled out to multi-millionaires as overtures to federal to federal election campaigns.”‘ which is only a fraction of what the Liberals have handed out over the past fifty years.
Just to set the record straight or did you overlook the Adscam program, the Long Gun Registry, the continuing bail-out of Bombardier, etc., etc., etc!
Mr. Scheer seems like a nice guy. The key point to be discovered is whether or not he has enough steel in his spine to make the hard decisions and show he can go head to head with the other world leaders.
So you are voting liberal in the next election then.
It is the good, the evil, and the stupid. The Liberals and their media will have no problem depicting Scheer as anything they want; BECAUSE THEY LIE. Lying is all they do, all they know. Without lies they have nothing. The defenders of the cult of the sacred narrative will say and do anything in service to evil.
The stupid will side with the evil, because lies are easy, and the good won’t use that tactic. Since the overwhelming majority of Canada (upwards of 99% I would say) is stupid…
So, Canada is majority stupid. Any way you divide majority stupid, you end with a majority stupid group. So, your police force is stupid. You government is stupid. Your political party is stupid. The stupid are easily susceptible to lies, especially the big lie, repeated often enough…
Canada, and western society in general, has successfully sheltered people from the effects of their own bad decisions. We have succeeded in our goal! We have filled the world with fools.
Such negativity; —–Why?—– What is your purpose?——The Liberals & N.D.P chase the Urban Voters because they are unaware; kept that way by a biased Media; and much easier to fool and buy-off with Lying.
How will any Alternative to a Socialism-Heavy Or Socialism- Lite Political win; by only catering to specific special interest groups?
— I, who started supporting Kelly Leitch with my money & support; then watched the Skill of Andrew Scheer move His Candidacy forward against the Quebec Block wanting to Maintain their “Special – Interest ” positioning supported with money and my Vote.
Waking up this morning I began the day thinking Maybe Canada did not have to let Quebec go their own way. At least “let’s give it another try”.
— I am now less sanguine about the viability of Rest of Canada & Quebec.
We’ll know in the fall if this has been a good or bad thing for the party. I think Trudeau s numbers will continue to drop.
” If you throw enough mud against the wall, some will stick ! ” . This is something my father told me and I think it is apt here. The msm had anointed Maxime and will have to re- adjust it’s aim. Expect the mud to to start flying soon. If you think any Conservative leader is palatable you are naive .
It’s hard to get excited about putting any effort into getting a party elected whose leader’s platform will at best reduce the speed of the collapse of the bankrupt Canadian leviathan welfare state. Conservatives, mostly being fatally compromised libertarians, don’t inspire those attracted to consistent principles, relying instead on electors support for the least bad alternative. And that, folks, appears to be as good as it gets. Bernier was a long shot and came surprisingly close. In the end the party chose a “safe” candidate with potential to appeal to the mindless mushy middle.
This is your humble Liberal opinion I presume?
Media and Liberal reaction to Andrew Scheer’s leadership will tell us just how concerned they are for their chances next election.
Mr Scheer will not be looking at Trudeau for any pointers on dealing with much of anything.
I think Trudeau s numbers will continue to drop.
They likely will, but, then, he’ll simply do what PET did and pull a fast one to get re-elected.
I remember when Daddy was up for re-election in 1972. Trudeaumania had, by then, faded considerably, particularly in the west. There was even speculation that Stanfield might defeat him. However, all PET had to do was to tell voters in the Hamilton-Quebec City corridor what they wanted to hear and he was in, though with a minority. Ridings in western Canada were completely irrelevant.
Watch the Shiny Potato do the same thing. We’re going to be stuck with him until he finally decides he’s had enough of politics or he gets promoted to Secretary General of the U. N.
“So you are voting liberal in the next election then. ”
You reading that invisible print between my lines, Gord?
And, Antenor, nope, I didn’t overlook any of that. Harper shovelled money to Bombardier too, and GM, and Chrysler. And before the last federal election, our MP, Pierre Lemieux, went around with a shopping cart full of millions and handed it all out to our local millionaires. And I don’t think it was much different in a lot of Conservative ridings.
In my books, Harpers list of accomplishments was kind of short. He got rid of the wheatboard, stood up for Israel, told Putin to f-off, and got rid of section 13. I voted for him, but not with any degree of enthusiasm. And if Scheer doesn’t have the balls and the honesty to put an end to this climate change bullshit that is impoverishing us all, I’ll be voting Libertarian next time round.
Guess I will see,however new leader or not I am hard pressed to distinguish Liberal from Conservative today.
Looks like the Uni-Party of Canada to me.
Parasites R Us.
I read somewhere that under Sharia Law the unbeliever can be permitted to continue to live amongst the faithful,as long as they cough up 50% of their income..
In Canada that would be an improvement.
Bring in Sharia Law,get the working man a tax break.
Canada under “business as usual” is sinking.
The “moderate” conservative is useless at this point in time.
I figure on joining the NDP/Liberal cooperative next election.
For we are Never Done Paying whatever colour of parasite is feasting upon us.
And this waste theft and destruction will never end under our current Kleptocracy.
I have always voted Conservative, federally and in the days of Mulroney, always regretted it. I would rather have voted Libertarian if there were the slightest chance of electing someone. A fatally compromised libertarian is someone who compromises liberty with tyranny and thinks that the outcome is stable, righteous, beneficial, or moral (think compromise with a rapist). IOW, mushy middle decline. Liberals are generally worse than the aforementioned Conservatives as their progressives content is even higher. So, no, my “humble opinion” is not liberal unless you are talking classical liberal as in libertarian.
They are too stupid to know when they are in trouble. Remember, these are the same people who insisted, for like a year, that Hillary was 99.8% sure to be the next president. Here it is a year later, and they still think Hillary won, muh Russians, etc. etc. etc.. Nothing they say or do can be believed; they are either lying or they are wrong. When they aren’t all of the above that is.
you are sounding too much like me:-))) I agree that most Canadians are stupid, and uninformed. Of all those I spoke to who hated Harper, every damn one gave an emotional based answer, not one policy quibble, not one.
Media talking point: Sheer is Harper 2.0 with a smile.
well, kids, watch the media and libs work on wiping that smile off his face.
Flan: ” to survive, he just needs to cut the Libs down a peg or two in 2019″…!?
heaven help us…
We’ll see….. I remain unconvinced. I didn’t vote for Scheer because he represents the incrementalist, centrist Harper approach that, while good at winning Stephen Harper elections, ultimately left the party both unable to fight the Trudeau election (the party had no intellectual or ideological heft remaining) and without any serious, long-term policy accomplishments for small-c conservatives (most of the Tory agenda is already gone).
I’m not sure anyone else would have fared better or behaved any differently but a break from the Harper strategy would have been preferred. Get ready for such important conservative ideals we all want like more tax credits for putting your kids in cello lessons or painting your front door!!
So many of the comments so far help to explain why Canada has suffered so much and continues to suffer from Liberal governments. So many fiscally conservative, social conservative, and libertarian voters who cannot get everything they want from a big-tent brokerage party, pitch a fit and cast their votes to a fringe party, or vote Liberal, perhaps in the hope of hastening the Apocalypse, stay home, or (if they can be bothered to go to the poll) spoil their ballot.
Stephen Harper understood that Canadians, like most human beings, are fundamentally conservative. Rapid and radical change (such as that prescribed by Maxime Bernier) is attractive to those who identify the the problems of the Deep State that has been built up over generations and want to bring a scythe and a torch to the operation. But all change takes a toll on those who go through it, and a core part of being conservative is being risk-averse. We all learn to work with the system we have, trying to limit its adverse impact on us and our families, trying to take advantage of any benefits we can take from it, and trying eliminate the worst aspects of it or limit its ability to do harm. Stephen Harper did indeed get rid of the Canadian Wheat Board, but he did it in a measured manner, building the case for eliminating its power to coerce farmers, conducting and acting on a referendum for barley farmers to show the public that opposition among farmers was real and that cutting the power of the Board over them would not lead to the falling of wide Prairie sky. Even then, the Wheat Board was not abolished; it just had its coercive powers taken away. It quickly passed into history, generally unlamented and, by now, almost forgotten.
Given the all but unanimous wall of opposition to any and all Conservative policies and politicians by the major media, cultural industries, academia, a host of special interest advocacy groups, and all those who fancy themselves “Eminent Persons”, along with a four-year electoral cycle, Conservatives have little choice but to work brick by brick. You may not like Stephen Harper’s long-game strategy for returning Canada to Canadians, but I would like to learn about examples of other governments in Canada that accomplished as much or kept as many of its promises as did that of Prime Minister Harper. Indeed, even in its sad last days, it advanced legislation so good that the Trudeau administration has been busy trying to repeal much of it.
Give Mr Scheer the chance he deserves. The policies he advanced in his campaign – including trying to remedy that failure to protect property in the disappointing “Charter of Rights and Freedoms” — should enable all wings of the Conservative coalition to get behind him, and to press him to act on those policy initiatives. I hope that he will try to work with Maxime Bernier, Kellie Leitch, and all of the other leadership candidates, all of whom had something positive to contribute and that they will work with him.
“Rapid and radical change (such as that prescribed by Maxime Bernier) is attractive to those….”
Politics and governance require negotiation and compromise from within the party as well as the opposition. When your side starts from a position of being compromised to the point of being virtual mush, how far are you going to get?
We will see how the new CPC leader works towards some kind of accountability within the Party. As a lapsed member I am willing to listen. Since the last election there has been little to no effort in my riding to reorganize or ask for input from the membership. What was once a bastion under Reform and for many years as CPC our riding has gone form 1740 members to less than 300. That is the status of this Party in a nutshell.
Image and personality is important but the policy and vision of a Bernier impressed me more. AT some point the CPC will realize that pandering to left wing media is a fools game. It is a losing game. Yes, personal responsibility and ‘realistic’ assessment of what an individual and a government can actually deliver has to happen, on a regular basis.
If this leader espouses Lib-Lite philosophy I will not be with the CPC. Ultimately the only way Canada’s predominately left wing population will ever change their belief system will be an almost inevitable financial crisis.
“As leader, Mr. Scheer will continue to pursue Mr. Harper’s goals of lower taxes, balanced budgets, and closer cooperation with Canada’s international allies….
Here, let me finish that sentence for ya.
…and mega-millions of tax-payer dollars shelled out to multi-millionaires as overtures to federal to federal election campaigns.”
“…and mega-millions of tax-payer dollars shelled out to multi-millionaires as overtures to federal to federal election campaigns.”‘ which is only a fraction of what the Liberals have handed out over the past fifty years.
Just to set the record straight or did you overlook the Adscam program, the Long Gun Registry, the continuing bail-out of Bombardier, etc., etc., etc!
Mr. Scheer seems like a nice guy. The key point to be discovered is whether or not he has enough steel in his spine to make the hard decisions and show he can go head to head with the other world leaders.
So you are voting liberal in the next election then.
It is the good, the evil, and the stupid. The Liberals and their media will have no problem depicting Scheer as anything they want; BECAUSE THEY LIE. Lying is all they do, all they know. Without lies they have nothing. The defenders of the cult of the sacred narrative will say and do anything in service to evil.
The stupid will side with the evil, because lies are easy, and the good won’t use that tactic. Since the overwhelming majority of Canada (upwards of 99% I would say) is stupid…
So, Canada is majority stupid. Any way you divide majority stupid, you end with a majority stupid group. So, your police force is stupid. You government is stupid. Your political party is stupid. The stupid are easily susceptible to lies, especially the big lie, repeated often enough…
Canada, and western society in general, has successfully sheltered people from the effects of their own bad decisions. We have succeeded in our goal! We have filled the world with fools.
Such negativity; —–Why?—– What is your purpose?——The Liberals & N.D.P chase the Urban Voters because they are unaware; kept that way by a biased Media; and much easier to fool and buy-off with Lying.
How will any Alternative to a Socialism-Heavy Or Socialism- Lite Political win; by only catering to specific special interest groups?
— I, who started supporting Kelly Leitch with my money & support; then watched the Skill of Andrew Scheer move His Candidacy forward against the Quebec Block wanting to Maintain their “Special – Interest ” positioning supported with money and my Vote.
Waking up this morning I began the day thinking Maybe Canada did not have to let Quebec go their own way. At least “let’s give it another try”.
— I am now less sanguine about the viability of Rest of Canada & Quebec.
We’ll know in the fall if this has been a good or bad thing for the party. I think Trudeau s numbers will continue to drop.
” If you throw enough mud against the wall, some will stick ! ” . This is something my father told me and I think it is apt here. The msm had anointed Maxime and will have to re- adjust it’s aim. Expect the mud to to start flying soon. If you think any Conservative leader is palatable you are naive .
This is a very interesting 18 min video of Andrew Scheer with Ezra Levant in Nov 2016
https://www.therebel.media/flashback_andrew_scheer_talks_about_defending_canadian_values
It’s hard to get excited about putting any effort into getting a party elected whose leader’s platform will at best reduce the speed of the collapse of the bankrupt Canadian leviathan welfare state. Conservatives, mostly being fatally compromised libertarians, don’t inspire those attracted to consistent principles, relying instead on electors support for the least bad alternative. And that, folks, appears to be as good as it gets. Bernier was a long shot and came surprisingly close. In the end the party chose a “safe” candidate with potential to appeal to the mindless mushy middle.
This is your humble Liberal opinion I presume?
Media and Liberal reaction to Andrew Scheer’s leadership will tell us just how concerned they are for their chances next election.
Mr Scheer will not be looking at Trudeau for any pointers on dealing with much of anything.
I think Trudeau s numbers will continue to drop.
They likely will, but, then, he’ll simply do what PET did and pull a fast one to get re-elected.
I remember when Daddy was up for re-election in 1972. Trudeaumania had, by then, faded considerably, particularly in the west. There was even speculation that Stanfield might defeat him. However, all PET had to do was to tell voters in the Hamilton-Quebec City corridor what they wanted to hear and he was in, though with a minority. Ridings in western Canada were completely irrelevant.
Watch the Shiny Potato do the same thing. We’re going to be stuck with him until he finally decides he’s had enough of politics or he gets promoted to Secretary General of the U. N.
“So you are voting liberal in the next election then. ”
You reading that invisible print between my lines, Gord?
And, Antenor, nope, I didn’t overlook any of that. Harper shovelled money to Bombardier too, and GM, and Chrysler. And before the last federal election, our MP, Pierre Lemieux, went around with a shopping cart full of millions and handed it all out to our local millionaires. And I don’t think it was much different in a lot of Conservative ridings.
In my books, Harpers list of accomplishments was kind of short. He got rid of the wheatboard, stood up for Israel, told Putin to f-off, and got rid of section 13. I voted for him, but not with any degree of enthusiasm. And if Scheer doesn’t have the balls and the honesty to put an end to this climate change bullshit that is impoverishing us all, I’ll be voting Libertarian next time round.
Guess I will see,however new leader or not I am hard pressed to distinguish Liberal from Conservative today.
Looks like the Uni-Party of Canada to me.
Parasites R Us.
I read somewhere that under Sharia Law the unbeliever can be permitted to continue to live amongst the faithful,as long as they cough up 50% of their income..
In Canada that would be an improvement.
Bring in Sharia Law,get the working man a tax break.
Canada under “business as usual” is sinking.
The “moderate” conservative is useless at this point in time.
I figure on joining the NDP/Liberal cooperative next election.
For we are Never Done Paying whatever colour of parasite is feasting upon us.
And this waste theft and destruction will never end under our current Kleptocracy.
I have always voted Conservative, federally and in the days of Mulroney, always regretted it. I would rather have voted Libertarian if there were the slightest chance of electing someone. A fatally compromised libertarian is someone who compromises liberty with tyranny and thinks that the outcome is stable, righteous, beneficial, or moral (think compromise with a rapist). IOW, mushy middle decline. Liberals are generally worse than the aforementioned Conservatives as their progressives content is even higher. So, no, my “humble opinion” is not liberal unless you are talking classical liberal as in libertarian.
They are too stupid to know when they are in trouble. Remember, these are the same people who insisted, for like a year, that Hillary was 99.8% sure to be the next president. Here it is a year later, and they still think Hillary won, muh Russians, etc. etc. etc.. Nothing they say or do can be believed; they are either lying or they are wrong. When they aren’t all of the above that is.
you are sounding too much like me:-))) I agree that most Canadians are stupid, and uninformed. Of all those I spoke to who hated Harper, every damn one gave an emotional based answer, not one policy quibble, not one.
Media talking point: Sheer is Harper 2.0 with a smile.
well, kids, watch the media and libs work on wiping that smile off his face.
Flan: ” to survive, he just needs to cut the Libs down a peg or two in 2019″…!?
heaven help us…
We’ll see….. I remain unconvinced. I didn’t vote for Scheer because he represents the incrementalist, centrist Harper approach that, while good at winning Stephen Harper elections, ultimately left the party both unable to fight the Trudeau election (the party had no intellectual or ideological heft remaining) and without any serious, long-term policy accomplishments for small-c conservatives (most of the Tory agenda is already gone).
I’m not sure anyone else would have fared better or behaved any differently but a break from the Harper strategy would have been preferred. Get ready for such important conservative ideals we all want like more tax credits for putting your kids in cello lessons or painting your front door!!
So many of the comments so far help to explain why Canada has suffered so much and continues to suffer from Liberal governments. So many fiscally conservative, social conservative, and libertarian voters who cannot get everything they want from a big-tent brokerage party, pitch a fit and cast their votes to a fringe party, or vote Liberal, perhaps in the hope of hastening the Apocalypse, stay home, or (if they can be bothered to go to the poll) spoil their ballot.
Stephen Harper understood that Canadians, like most human beings, are fundamentally conservative. Rapid and radical change (such as that prescribed by Maxime Bernier) is attractive to those who identify the the problems of the Deep State that has been built up over generations and want to bring a scythe and a torch to the operation. But all change takes a toll on those who go through it, and a core part of being conservative is being risk-averse. We all learn to work with the system we have, trying to limit its adverse impact on us and our families, trying to take advantage of any benefits we can take from it, and trying eliminate the worst aspects of it or limit its ability to do harm. Stephen Harper did indeed get rid of the Canadian Wheat Board, but he did it in a measured manner, building the case for eliminating its power to coerce farmers, conducting and acting on a referendum for barley farmers to show the public that opposition among farmers was real and that cutting the power of the Board over them would not lead to the falling of wide Prairie sky. Even then, the Wheat Board was not abolished; it just had its coercive powers taken away. It quickly passed into history, generally unlamented and, by now, almost forgotten.
Given the all but unanimous wall of opposition to any and all Conservative policies and politicians by the major media, cultural industries, academia, a host of special interest advocacy groups, and all those who fancy themselves “Eminent Persons”, along with a four-year electoral cycle, Conservatives have little choice but to work brick by brick. You may not like Stephen Harper’s long-game strategy for returning Canada to Canadians, but I would like to learn about examples of other governments in Canada that accomplished as much or kept as many of its promises as did that of Prime Minister Harper. Indeed, even in its sad last days, it advanced legislation so good that the Trudeau administration has been busy trying to repeal much of it.
Give Mr Scheer the chance he deserves. The policies he advanced in his campaign – including trying to remedy that failure to protect property in the disappointing “Charter of Rights and Freedoms” — should enable all wings of the Conservative coalition to get behind him, and to press him to act on those policy initiatives. I hope that he will try to work with Maxime Bernier, Kellie Leitch, and all of the other leadership candidates, all of whom had something positive to contribute and that they will work with him.
“Rapid and radical change (such as that prescribed by Maxime Bernier) is attractive to those….”
Politics and governance require negotiation and compromise from within the party as well as the opposition. When your side starts from a position of being compromised to the point of being virtual mush, how far are you going to get?