The Telegraph- Ukrainian healthcare is better than the NHS
If you have read and struggled to believe stories about Ukrainians living in the UK returning to their native country for medical treatment, let me tell you that I am one of them. Having given up on the NHS, I flew to Poland and crossed the border. Later that day, amid air raid sirens, I visited a hospital. By the evening, I had the relevant medicines to get me back on the mend.
Looks like France might receive some competition in the European theatre for medical tourism.
lot of carbon footprint for a couple of aspirins .
-or- Maybe a cheap kidney.
Is Obesitol still available in France?
Have you checked out Mark’s experience with French healthcare?
You should.
He’s spotted the problem.
Simple and brutal.
After being told the wait would be 1 1/2 years in Canada my daughter was ready to go to Romania for surgery. Her doctor eventually got the wait to less than 6 months. I’m guessing the wait in the US would be a week or two. That scary American style medicine.
scarp
Mexico and cuba have great tourist medical plans, many run by expat American and Canadian doctors.
Waited a year for hernia repair. Finally called Henry Ford clinic in Detroit ( close by)
Foe 3 grand I could have it done the following week. One night in a hotel and back home. Great care and treatment.
Ya get what ya pay for.
Not always. Here in Canada we pay as much for what we don’t get as for what we do.
My dad had hernia surgery at a private hospital in North York, Shouldice. I’m not sure what the wait time for surgery is there as that was decades ago. Sad state of affairs that we have to leave our country to get patched up.
Should have gone to Shouldice just like the promoter of Government run health care, and noted hypocrite Jack Layton
Wife needs a knee replacement, Doctor told her it’d be 18 months to two years. She is in extreme pain, can barely walk.
Some things are done in a reasonable time,others take forever. The health care system here is broken, with over a million people in B.C. without a family doctor.
If your doctor retires, as just happened to a friend, you’re SOL, gotta line up at a walk-in clinic. Most of them open at nine AM, but you have to line up outside at 8AM, usually by 9:30 AM they are fully booked for the day, so you come back at 7:30 AM the next day.
Health insurance in the USA is expensive, my mother in law paid over $500 per month 20 years ago, but it was superb coverage. I wish the communists who run this country would allow private hospitals and clinics so we could have the option of paying rather than suffering on a wait list, but by god we don’t want to have “that Terrible American System”.
De Guvvermint(s) seem enamored of the idea of bringing more doctors from overseas, but as we know, all men aren’t created equal and neither are education systems in many countries. But politicians seem to have no problem with recommending this as a solution to our doctor shortages, undoubtedly because they can always find a first world trained physician.
They also never seem to appreciate the immorality in robbing poor countries of their doctors to bring them here to serve us. So we send them foreign aid to enrich their politicians while leaving their poor without medical care. Nice.
And it is so ethical to raid another country’s health staff.Like the Phillipines supplying the Us with nurses.
No country is being ‘raided’ or ‘robbed’. People are not the property of their country, to think otherwise is fascism. When people leave their country for another one it is just freedom of movement.
Don, the people of canada run the medical care system. Ask them just how many would pay even more to improve it? The only thing that will improve it is to get the governments out of it.
It is not just Ukraine. I know a number of elderly Russian immigrants in Canada who return to Moscow for check ups, testing and treatment because it is much quicker and easier there. Some are still eligible for free state funded healthcare. There are also lots of relatively inexpensive private healthcare facilities. Just talked to someone who had a dental checkup in Moscow in a new private dental clinic. Dentist did not charge for the visit as no work was needed. But Canadians are too brainwashed about their crappy system to believe things can be done differently. And Colon, you don’t need to tell me about how bad the system is in the village of Stalin’s Bunghole, Murmansk Oblast. Go to any rural area in Canada and see what is available for healthcare.
I know many similar stories, access to Russian healthcare is better than ours, but if you’re in the hospital for very long you need to pay for “supplemental care” and you really need an advocate. There are a lot of down-sides, I wouldn’t be going to Moscow any time soon for a surgical vacation.
Valeria of YouTube’s “Different Russia” recently outlined her experience with the Russian medical system. She has problems with her legs – free State care has long lineups but for $20USD she saw a private doctor. Tests were around $35 and followup & treatment plan were another $20. She’s not “rich” by anyone’s standards, just an average middle-class Russian living outside Moscow who has options.
Some time ago, she related her dad’s experience after suffering a stroke. He was rushed to the local hospital and if they thought his condition was beyond their expertise, he’d be forwarded on to Moscow for specialized treatment. The episode was based on the hazards of the elderly living outside population centres as it took the ambulance a while to locate their home.
No really a refugee if you can go home and still be seen by your family doctor.
…why not?
Because you will have left the refuge for a place from which obviously you no longer need refuge.
I have long despised the medical industrial complex, and have thus avoided it as far as possible.
I have sympathy for all who need essential care and repair…but…when at all feasible, tough it out and walk it off.
As Lewis Thomas once said…”Most things are better by morning.”
We are tough, resilient humans with miraculous healing and immune systems, for the most part.
Have you ever been amazed at how an injury has healed itself? You know, that cut finger, that torn ligament, that flu, etc?
I do not want to insult anyone who does indeed need medical care and intervention.
However, I also want to note that the medical industrial complex has been screwing with us on many levels.
To wit…elective and unnecessary surgeries. Needless yearly check ups. Harmful prescriptions that lead to further new pills to counter the last experimental pills….and now the doctors just want to do a zoom call and grab money without looking you in the eye.
I feel better now.
Laughter doeth good, as a medicine, as the Good Book saith.
Peace.
Remember Obama’s VA scandal? It took up to six-months for veterans to receive medical treatment. In Canada, we call that queue jumping.
This is not a surprise; there have been reports for some years that the NHS is not that great and recent reports that they are seriously prioritizing bureaucrats over beds. Equity, diversity, and like-minded causes take priority over actually caring for the sick.
In the summer of 2021 my doctor (not a nurse or underling) left a phone message: “I haven’t seen you in two years. If I don’t hear from you in a week, you’re no longer my patient.”
Many have been condemned by the system that – in Ontario – actually advertises to go get checked up as early detection is so critical.
Well where the fck do you want me to go?
I was dropped for not getting checkups by the practice where I had been assigned to a doctor. The only value he provided when I was going was the snip,snip, didn’t really like him. Later, “needing” an assigned doctor, he was still the only one with openings. No thanks.
But I was tempted to ask the practice if I could have my dad’s doctor, as I know HE had one less patient, the day Dad died!
At his point I’d rather be treated by a veterinarian operating out of the back of a Tijuana strip club than a Western-trained “Medical Doctor”.
That Old Horse doktor.
I’ve been on a waitlist for 4 years for a doctor now. There’s not even any walk in clinics in Victoria anymore now that the dippers are back in charge. I wish they’d let us pay for it at least.
The culture shock for Ukrainians to come here and be treated like dirty socks by the medical establishment must be jaw-dropping.
Doctors in the UK are paid according to the number of patients thay have registered, not the number of patients they see, not the number of patients they cure or not the number of patients they send for treatment in hospital or to a specialist.
There are 7 million on the waiting list for treatment in the NHS.
I always laugh when I hear Americans asking for a better health care system like in Canada or the UK.
Everyone here seems to be concerned about physical aches, pains and ailments. What really counts is one’s mental health … how quickly can you get gender reassignment surgery?
I’m sure Progressive Pat agrees with me.