57 Replies to “Wynning!”

  1. Socialism’s solution to sky-rocketing health care costs.
    We are the death panels whom we’ve been waiting for. (To para-pharase Odumbo)

  3. How long before a “humane” complaint over refusal?
    Who let the dog in?

  6. Leaving politics aside, I have very mixed feelings about this, for very personal reasons. As a recent cancer diagnostee, I spent a few days in early May in a cancer ward… There are circumstances when assisted suicide can ONLY be better than what can not be described in any meaningful way as “life”.
    I also learned that in these cases there are heroes among us who are not doctors and nurses – they are husbands and wives who will stay by their loved ones for hours and days at a time, often with little to no sleep, or a few fitful minutes in a nearby chair, and who attend to every care need the nurses don’t have the time or resources to provide or respond to. A cancer hospital is a woeful, desperately depressing place with both heroic selflessness and numbing despair all blended together.

  7. If we lived in a just socierty, politicians like her would go to work in fear, not of elections, but of angry citizens, who might hang them off a lamp post.

  8. Is it not strange that in all this debate, no one seems to be demanding that the potential patient actually “requires” assistance? So someone has cancer and has three months to live, that’s lots of time to buy some ammo. Why bother some poor Doctor about it? Now if we are actually talking about the extremely rare cases such as that of Sue Rodrigues, the problem is very small.

  10. “Why bother some poor Doctor about it?”
    Because that is how the progressive mind works. They constantly require a jack hammer to drive home a finishing nail.
    How about that deadline set by the Supremes. We didn’t make that June deadline so now some doctor somewhere can’t be willy nilly offing some poor shmuck but must keep within the current law of ‘do no harm’.

  11. Hi Skip, thank you for your reply. Did you have any comment about the actual point I was making? I think I am being “real” when I suggest the ‘assisted’ portion of assisted suicide might be restricted to those who actually need ‘assistance’. Cheers.

  12. I wonder if refills of the medication will also be free?
    I can she a photo-op coming with her dressed as an Undertaker to promote the new program.

  13. I agree with Eric. If you want to kill yourself, there’s nothing stopping you. Why should doctors, who have available to them the absolutely least effective, unreliable methods and no training for killing someone be forced to participate? Allow the person concerned to buy a gun and ammo and do the deed. Or drive a wheelchair off a ramp on the eleventh floor of the building or in front of a train. Or allow a relative to set up the individual with a guillotine which they can then activate. In short, if we’re going to kill people because their suffering is unbearable i.e. truly unbearable, then any of these methods supposedly is preferable to continuing to live and none of them involves doctors. Or is this really more about putting lipstick on a pig i.e. avoiding loud noises or a bit of blood so that the squeamish can pretend that killing isn’t actually killing? It seems to be more the latter.

  15. There is natural death.
    There is suicide.
    There is murder.
    “Assisted” dying is one of the latter two.
    Is the murder defense now become a plea to practicing medicine without a license?

  16. I think Eric makes an interesting point. I know of an elderly man who felt he had nothing left to live for. His wife had died and he was in a nursing home. He was lucid and he wanted to die. He was also a doctor. He stopped consuming liquids and died in about 3 days. That may be difficult, I don’t know, but it is worth thinking about what options are available.
    Another example is that young woman who killed herself in prison. She also wanted to die. I think she asphixiated herself and guards were too slow on their rescue, but I am struck by society’s response (that we should never let this happen) — so different from what we see now around assisted suicide, and yet that young woman suffered mental anguish and was desperate to end her life. These are hard questions.

  17. The LIBS are salivating at all the death inheritance taxes they are about to cause. Ghoulish bastards. How many elderly in ON don’t have a physician… bet she does tho. Is it time to stash your cash again?

  20. Brian, ldd:
    Don’t you know that there aren’t any inheritance taxes? The government has told me so. (Yeah, right.)
    I spent a lot of time looking into the entire process as my mother died a few years ago and I’m supposed to be the executor of my father’s estate when his time comes.
    The reality is that the beneficiaries aren’t taxed directly on their inheritance. It’s the estate that’s taxed by treating all the capital assets as if they’re being sold and the tax actually taken from the profits (at 50%, of course). That’s just the federal government.
    But, before the estate can be distributed, the will–assuming there is one–has to be probated and one has to grease the province’s palm. Now *that* is a rip-off! Just about every step costs money. There’s no way to avoid it if one has, say, financial investments because stockbrokers won’t act until they have proof from the provincial government.
    One pays to get the documents. One pays when they’re submitted. The documents won’t be accepted until they’re checked and, yes, there’s a charge for that, too. (What’s a few charges of, say, $50 each time between friends, eh?) And then there’s the actual probate fee which, depending on the net worth of the estate, could be 1 or, maybe, 2%. Be prepared to pay several thousand dollars before distributing the estate.
    No wonder the government likes this legislation.

  21. agreed. in a world over the horizon, I see a time when the lucid mobile expiry-date-fast-approaching hire themselves out to off some opponent or enemy of a 3rd party willing to pay for the deed. it’s the 2nd cousin of the mentality that it’s ok to take measures to kill the terminal as opposed to simply withholding life support. administer pain relief, etc, but in my dictionary it is a HUUUUUGE step from that, to being the actual cause of death, ie the sodium pentathol (sp).
    migawd, think of it. what a dangerous precedent wynne is putting forward. I wonder if it will all backfire . . . . put HER in the palliative care bed when it no longer requires a request or permission from the dying patient.

  22. Well it is obvious they need to create a new bureaucracy:
    DEPT of ASSASSINS
    because well humans just aren’t dying fast enough.
    Wait until your “assisted suicide” is MANDATORY!
    Your government now billed as MURDER INC.
    Cheers
    Hans Rupprecht, Commander in Chief
    1st Saint Nicolaas Army
    Army Group ‘True North’

  23. Those estate laws will apply regardless if it’s natural death or assisted death. OTOH, from my understanding, it’s perfectly legal to give your children and loved ones cash “gifts” before your death without estate tax implications. If the government is looking at financial benefits then it’d be the reduction in the cost of end of life healthcare.

  25. I can’t believe that doctors would want to be part of killing people. I can understand somewhat the pain management scenario that exists at present. Mind you, I can’t understand all the doctors out there that can kill babies.

  26. It’s the new and improved National Socialism!
    Dr Mengele was just ‘ahead of his time’…
    There is no ‘exit fee’ cause they are saving billions in tax health transfers.
    Just remember DEATH is a profitable BUSINESS, as an individual the government
    or Supreme Court doesn’t give a bestial rat’s ass.
    You know the drill, yer road kill on the way to being a small dead animal;
    just think of yourself, rather than living, as the pre-dead.
    Cheers
    Hans Rupprecht, Commander in Chief
    1st Saint Nicolaas Army
    Army Group ‘True North’

  27. The problem started when the medical profession began artificially prolonging life in the hospital. Now they are looking for a way to limit the problem. Without medical intervention the problem takes care of itself. Imagine diverting the money from prolonging life for 6 months toward child cancer or MS.

  28. You are correct. Whenever someone dies, regardless of reason, both the federal and provincial governments get their cut first.
    There are ways around that. Like you suggested, the estate can be distributed by the person in question while still alive by simply giving it to the beneficiaries. Examples are houses and motor vehicles being given to children or siblings.
    Another way is to make a beneficiary a co-owner, though there might be some limitations on that, depending upon the asset. That part is, unfortunately, a little unclear to me right now.
    Still, no matter what one does, the government still manages to get its claws into everything that people own.

  29. There is compassion for the dying on the part of many of those who want doctors to be able to legally kill terminal patients. This is obvious, Skip. But the potential harm is far greater than the supposed benefit.
    Remember when abortion was made legal in 1973 in order to do away with dangerous back-alley procedures? The killing of the unborn was to be permitted only when the life or health of the mother was at risk. Abortion was intended to be “safe, legal and rare.” Monitoring doctors would have to sign off in each instance.
    What do we have now? Abortion on demand, with inconvenience being a major reason for “terminating” the life of a developing baby. Over 56 million unborn humans have been destroyed in the US alone since Roe v Wade. Probably over a billion have been exterminated worldwide during that time.
    Do you think we now have a better grade of human being who will be overseeing this killing than we did with abortion? People today would rather not talk or even think about the carnage of abortion. No doubt euthanasia will start out as nicely and humanely as abortion did. How it will end in this brave new world some are choosing for us may end up being very ugly indeed.

  30. Proponents aren’t just casually cheering on the suicide of friends, family and themselves. The experiences in their lives have obviously led them to want access to assisted death. I certainly believe that there’s a time when prolonging suffering become cruel. Under reasonable limitations, people should be able to decide that they’d rather go out peacefully for their own and their family’s benefit.
    As much as I dislike tax and spend Liberals, I support both assisted dying and pot legalization. First because both are issues of personal freedom and autonomy. Second, I personally plan to use pot instead of other pharmaceuticals to alleviate the nagging aches and pains of old age. When I’ve decided that my quality of life is no longer acceptable I’d have no problem choosing assisted dying over dementia and adult diapers. Why not structure you end so that your children’s and grandchildren’s inheritance goes to them instead of a care home. You want something else for yourself based on your values and religious beliefs, fine, but don’t deny others their freedom to choose.

  31. With aging boomers poised to overwhelm our public system and its incompetent administration of health care, how far are we from free assisted assisted suicide?

  32. Ontario needs a new slogan…..any ideas? Several months ago on another site I suggested “Yours to Recover”, kind of a play on “Yours to Discover”. Then another might be “The More You Wynne The More You Lose In Ontari-owe”. Hell we could write a song! Let’s have at it.

  33. Has anyone discussed the implications of all this in regards to life insurance? If Kat pays a doctor to kill me, would that still be ruled a suicide by my life insurance underwriter?

  34. Or you could just contact the neighborhood heroin addict who can show you how to inject a lethal dose, one press of the plunger and you’re off to wherever it is you think you’re going,but are dead as the proverbial doornail.
    It’d be decent of the person to buy the HA “one for the road” as a favor in return for his favor.
    It became obvious to me many years ago, long before I ever heard of Sarah Palin,that eventually the system would get around to euthanasia.At the time, friends and acquaintances told me I was wrong,often used the expression,” you’re full of shit”.
    But as the bureaucrats decried the skyrocketing costs of our health care system, anyone who had been paying attention knew that one day we would get to this point. Governments and their bureaucracies always attack the least able to defend themselves,example; the massive crisis in mental health care since the 1980’s that has seen thousands of mental patients dumped on the streets.
    Easy targets,that is what the system will always eliminate first,and after there was no public outrage over the MH case, they knew that the public was becoming more acquiescent as the schools did their job, with their “self” centered education model. It’s worked beautifully, if it doesn’t affect the “self”, it doesn’t matter.
    It’s interesting to be an old timer now, to see how people have been dumbed down to accept governments as their guardian,even deity. The people will go to their quiet deaths as good sheep do, and any day now you can expect the slogans to start, lauding the courage of those who opt to “help save the planet” rather than keep using up precious resources in this era of peak oil and declining food production(their words,not mine).
    This is not to say I am against alleviating the suffering of people like my late WW2 veteran Dad,who suffered horribly with prostate cancer that had metastasized into his pelvic bones,his daily dose of chemicals put him in a vegetative state but he still felt the pain,which he told us in rare lucid moments. He wanted to end it all,but there were laws….
    We shall again see the reality of the “slippery slope” argument,as it will start with the extreme cases,like Dad’s, and accelerate to the point that anyone who feels a bit depressed will be encouraged to end it all,and do the State a favor.
    And don’t anyone bother to call me, or any of us old timers that have been paying attention, alarmist or cynical, you wouldn’t believe what we’ve seen happen to our society and our Country in the last 50 years.

  35. Trudeau sells drugs to raise money, Wynne gives away death to reduce costs. These are desperate governments, so addicted to money they’ll damn an entire country to scrape up a few more dimes.
    Money for Nuthin’ and Death for Free.

  36. The cognitive dissonance of the left on full display… If you look for it.
    The left wants blank cheques for mental health, get Mrs. Michael Strahan Clara Hughes to pimp for Let’s Talk because suicide is Just Wrong. There’s no reason to die evah! You need help and we’ll get it for you! Then leftist governments want suicide on demand because nobody needs to live in pain..or something.
    Which is it then?

  37. Hans at 12:31, Greg W. at 12:48, Don Morris at 1:54 have it right as to where this is all going.

  38. Yep, coincidently any libertarian who believes that government aparatchiks should ever be given an authority to end someone’s life needs to have their head examined (preferably in a publik clinik).

  39. Paging Dr. Kevorkian (1928-2011) His slogan could have been: “Have mobile death van, will travel.” A man born too soon. Just when Ontario needed his services and would have provided free drugs for the asking.

  40. Don’t laugh, we may well be seeing death mobiles before the end of Wynne’s reign,of course they’ll be electrically powered in keeping with her green madness.

  41. Except this legislation does not give government the authority to end someone’s life. It’s about suicide (assisted dying) not death panels. It gives people more options, freedom, autonomy.

  42. No, it gives a government apparatchik a right to kill, they just dress it nicely. You do not need government approval to do so. As matter of fact I encourage all supporters of the legislation lead by example. You have an option to kill yourself, always, well almost always, but cases when you did not know what is coming and all of sudden found yourself unable to end your suffering are few and far in between, not enough to set the precedent and let the state do it for you. This is about state killing, just a first step, soon they will assist suicide those your are mentally incapacitated and whose quality of life is so low that not killing them you would be cruel. From there to Soylent Green is that far. They did that in Netherlands, they did that in Belgium, they did that practically everywhere they allow for it and where data is public. They will do it here too.

  44. We have sat back for the last fifty years an let the state become all powerful and there is no going back. The Canadian ship of state hit the iceberg when it voted in the first Trudeau. It has taken a little longer to go down than the Titanic did. Much like the Royal Navy did to the Bismark, destroyers sent in to torpedo the hulk, Trudeau the younger has come to finish the job in Canada. All I can say is that if Ms. Wynne is serious about no costs then I’d like to volunteer for death by cirrhosis of the liver. She can start me on the road with a case of the most expensive Scotch on the market, followed by a case of the next cheaper brand, and so on until such time as I succumb.

  45. Next step from progressive enlightened Belgium and Holland:
    http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-2779624/Number-mentally-ill-patients-killed-euthanasia-Holland-trebles-year-doctors-warn-assisted-suicide-control.html
    Doctors in neighbouring Belgium, which this year legalised euthanasia for children, are now killing an average of five people every day by EUthanasia, according to latest figures, with a 27 per cent surge in the number of euthanasia deaths in the last year alone.
    In one of the most shocking cases, a Brussels man last week described how he arranged the double euthanasia of his octogenarian parents who wanted to die because they were afraid of loneliness.
    It has also emerged that a Dutch woman in her 80s was killed by her doctors just because she did not want to live in a care home.
    http://time.com/7565/belgium-euthanasia-law-children-assisted-suicide/
    Nope, no slippery slope here, none at all. Like I said, I invite all proponents of the new law to lead by example. Libertarians first. F***ing ghouls.

  46. Liz J,
    You were asking about a new slogan for Ontario. How about a revised theme song.
    (Sung to the tune of Ontario’s theme song, “A Place to Stand”)
    Give us the debt we planned
    and the debt we owe
    and call this land Ontari-Owe.
    A place to live
    under the Liberal yoke
    where politics
    are but a joke.
    Give us big government
    and a press to snow
    and we’ll bankrupt Ontari-Owe.
    The debt we planned, the debt we owe
    Ontari-ari-ari-owe!
    From cap and trade,
    to tax and spend,
    we screwed you once,
    we’ll do it again.
    Give us a Wynning lie
    When the wind don’t blow
    As good jobs leave Ontario-Owe.
    The debt we planned, the debt we owe
    Ontari-ari-ari-owe.

  47. “Sorry, Mrs O’Donnell, we just thought Peter would want to go since he’s terminally conservative.”

  48. Our health care system out here in Abertastan is one up on Wynnetariowe. We cancer patients were lately bestowed with a Green Book, in which we were instructed to detail our dying wishes as a form of Prime Directive, if we don’t have a Will. Or even if we do it seems. Bring it with you to the hospital if you’re headed that way, or keep it on top of the fridge so the Paras can find it. Sign it with a witness. If not in front of an Attorney at Law, I’d question the legality of that piece of paper.
    Suffice to say a model of efficiency, as the Paras load you into the ambulance, read the Green Book & if “do not resuscitate” is read, administer the dying dose right there & head straight to the morgue. No doctor involved. Not even the legislature it seems. No fuss, no muss with Executors it seems, too, if there is a Prime Directive attached to said Will. They’ll be contacted after the fact. The ambulance fee, payable in 30 days, will include the cost of euthanizing said patient. You betcha.

  50. Good one!
    And if the PCs and Paddy “Tiger” Brown had balls or claws they’d be putting it to music and broadcasting the tune on the airwaves 24/7.
    But they’re toothless and gutless – so there is zero chance of that happening. They’re quite prepared to let Ontario deteriorate for another two and a half years because they think they’ll have the next election in the bag by doing SFA.
    I got some news for them. They can suck my arse. The gutless Ontario PC Party is just as responsible for this f*****g mess we’re in as is every POS who voted Liberal.
    I’ll either stay home or vote Libertarian along with all the concealed carry nuts and druggies before I’ll vote Conservative – after all, despite their narrow focus, at least these guys have some understanding about the importance of freedom.

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