By far the biggest problem is that her work is based on the VAERS database, which is not designed to draw definitive conclusions from, as the way it collects the data is far too loose. Rather it’s meant to signal where proper controlled research might be worthwhile.
One thing is absolutely guaranteed. Any questioning of Covid “vaccine” efficacy or side effects will be met with an immediate well coordinated rebuttal.
The stakes are high!
On March 18, the U.S. Supreme Court will be opining on the government coordinated suppression and censorship of Covid adverse reactions stories on social media.
Lower courts ruled that the literally thousands of FBI requests to censor factually accurate reporting amounted to an unconstitutional end run around the first amendment. The Government appealed stating that their thousands of highly detailed specific “suggestions” to censor content were merely that – suggestions. The courts ruled that persistent repeated specific suggestions to censor thousands of stories amounted to illegal and unconstitutional coercion.
Big Pharma, various vaccine pushing doctors and medical organizations along with many government agencies will be doing everything they can to cover their asses. The lawsuits are just starting.
I don’t care about reporting or social media. I’m going by the evidence. That’s all I argue from.
Here’s an article backed up by a long list of scientific references. It found that COVID vaccines can cause myocarditis or pericarditis, especially in young males, but the risk is small (about 26 cases in one million doses). The risk from dying from COVID itself is far higher.
Mycarditis and pericarditis after COVID-19 mRNA vaccines, Public Health Ontario
I would trust this report far more than I would trust Jessica Rose’s analysis.
So you would trust a government outlet which is covering its own ass because they ordered mandates? Wow.
And many dozens of scientific papers that found the incidence of myocarditis after COVID vaccines very low — on the order of 2 cases per 100,000 vaccinations.
Rose’s work shows a big spike 10 days after the jab. In Canada those people are classified as unvaccinated and their illness would be called myocarditis in the unvaccinated. Days 1-14 (1-21 in BC and Sask) is considered unvaccinated and any side effects are caused by COVID not the jab.
“…The risk from dying from COVID itself is far higher..”
100% PURE unadulterated Bullshit KM.
Covid was nothing more than a re-branded COLD.
Go get your 9th 10th & 11th Booster Moron.
It’s not me who is full of bullshit.
I can cite many hundreds of scientific papers from all around the world that refutes that.
What can you cite? What evidence can you bring, other than you’re own arrogant declarations?
You’re FOS, KM. After adding 2 more years of raw data she’s still getting a 0.8 correlation. When people stopped getting jabs the myo & pericarditis peaks disappeared. That’s pretty darn convincing EVIDENCE to most people. But evidently not to Big Pharma parrots. Did you even watch the video? I doubt it.
The VAERS dataset is NOT high enough quality to data conclusions from. Sorry if that bursts your bubble. Given that the public can submit a report to it, there’s no way to ensure that the data is accurate. There’s even the possibility now of deliberate contamination, given how heated the debate over COVID vaccines has become.
Here’s a meta-study that analyzes high quality data. It’s conclusions are very different than Rose’s:
You take what you can get. VAERS is all the U.S. has. After all the bloody money thrown at toxic jabs by Gov’t the fact that VAERS was not overhauled or some other dedicated COVID adverse effect reporting system wasn’t established to improve data quality is a BIG tell – they simply don’t care. Still a 0.8 correlation between different data sets over the entire Pandemic IS not by chance. Another fact is that almost all young people didn’t do boosters further supports the lack of myo & pericarditis spikes later – possibly because at an individual level they knew natural immunity was the far better choice after they got over Omicron. Rose’s graph is good solid evidence.
No, VAERS is not the only thing the U.S. has. It’s meant as an early warning system, an indicator that more controlled and systematic research needs to be done.
And that is precisely what many dozens of scientific studies have carried out. I’ve cited a few of them in this thread. It’s bizarre that we should ignore those results in favor of one based entirely on VAERS data.
killer unDORK
“I’m going by the evidence.”
like those redditt war game video evidence you were promoting on the war in the Ukraine????
If my posts get your gitch in a knot, don’t read them.
Evidence?
You claim the VAERS database is low quality while ignoring the many, documented (in some cases, under oath) instances of various Western governments outright lying or falsifying COVID data on deaths and injuries?
Seriously, dude. Your bizarre and by now religious faith in the incorruptible ivory tower of Science! is just comical at this point. No one is ever going to be able to put together a study that passes a first year bio course level of rigour because all of the data is hopelessly corrupted at this point.
I never claimed Science! is perfect. I understand its limitations better than you do.
But it’s a hundred times more convincing than anything you’ve brought to this discussion.
Interesting rebuttal. Especially since the self-proclaimed expert on the veracity of VAERS is an Oncologist who specializes in breast cancer. That’s a little…curious. Wouldn’t you say? He sort of forgot to mention the heart specialist that was listed as a co-author on Dr. Rose’s paper.
I could pick apart a number of things in this rebuttal, not the least of which is an attack on Dr. Rose personally while not necessarily sharing his own lacking credentials relative to the topic. He even claimed not to know what a computational biologist is. Here’s a hint. It’s someone who is uniquely qualified to offer up data sets and conclusions from evaluating biological data. But, one thing stands out. He wrote the rebuttal from a standpoint of “benefit of the doubt” when in fact such a status is no longer automatic within the general annals of the medical community, and must be earned back.
Gorski, the writer of the rebuttal, did not say that he did know what a computational biologist was. That was said by Joe Mercola, someone who interviewed Rose.
I meant to type “did not say he did NOT know”.
Keep trying. Eudravigilance tells the tale. As early as April 21, 2022, the number of authorized product suspected adverse reactions sent to EudraVigilance jumped 93% last year because of a surge in reports related to COVID-19 vaccines. Almost half of the record 3.5 million individual case safety reports (ICSRs) uploaded to the database related to vaccines against the pathogen.
Keep hoping.
You are correct.
VAERS database is inaccurate…only due to the fact that the info is collected from doctors voluntarily reporting.
How many adverse effects were not reported?
If anything the VARES reports are frightening in that they represent a sampling of the real number.
PRECISELY.
The only thing VAERS can report is things that happen after a COVID vaccination. It can not determine what happened BECAUSE of a COVID vaccination.
That’s why controlled studies are needed, and why VAERS is useless for drawing definitive conclusions.
One would think the precautionary principal is in order here. We know the mRNA gene transfection therapy device is contaminated with dsDNA and has an SV40 promoter in it that was not disclosed during the approval process AND some small amount of research has shown the mRNA sequence is incorporated into the DNA. There is also strong evidence the jab is contaminated with bacterial endotoxins that can cause sepsis and/or anaphylactic shock. We also know the mRNA contains altered nucleotides and this results in the cellular machinery pausing during translation and producing random protein bits, some of which resemble prions. Those are the known risks.
We also know young people and children are extremely unlikely to become very ill with Sars-Co-V2. The jab does not stop infection or transmission of the virus. The jabbed are know to get sick more often with the virus than less often and there is the biologically plausible mechanisms of original antigenic sin and/or antibody dependent enhancement to explain that. And the research showing reduction in symptoms and hospitalization has been challenged by other research indicating the jab does not reduce symptoms. (No control for healthy vaccinee bias.) So there does not appear to be much benefit to being jabbed, especially for children.
There is strong circumstantial evidence in the form of extreme levels of excess deaths that began precisely when the mass jab program started. The VAERs data by itself can also be considered strong circumstantial evidence of something very bad going on. Experts all over the world are calling for the jab to be stopped.
The precautionary principal requires we STOP immediately giving this jab with such high risk and such low benefit until the research you are calling for is completed. Once this research is complete and we know better we can go back to jabbing people.
So why don’t you call for that? Explain why you want to keep jabbing people in light of what we now know?
The “precautionary principle” isn’t the best approach for most medicines, as the risk a treatment entails has to be balanced by the benefit it might bring.
And (1) particularly in the early days, COVID was extremely dangerous, particularly for older people, (2) the vaccine wasn’t great at stopping the spread of COVID but good at preventing serious life-endangering symptoms, and (3) the vaccine was acceptably safe.
All of this was well demonstrated by thousands of scientific studies done world wide. You wouldn’t know that by the anti-vaccine cult who love to embrace any shoddy piece of evidence that supports their views — Rose’s work being an example — and pay no heed to countless well-designed studies, but the weight of the scientific evidence was extremely convincing.
I disagree with you on the quality of this research for a variety of reasons I have already given before which you never responded to beyond the circular “What are you references?” and if I took the time to produce them you would reply with “That’s not a creditable source.” However assuming everything you are saying about alpha is true, what you are saying is absolutely NOT true for Omicron. Nor have you responded to my comments about the contamination of the jab and all we know now about it. And you did what the jab mad crowd always do. Ignore the data, slander the author. Minimize the negative. So why do you still support jabbing people?
What possible risk/benefit analysis is there to justify jabbing people today?
Burch: I’m not a restaurant. I can’t nor do I care to respond to every topic you bring up.
First, I didn’t say we should keep vaccinating. I haven’t offered an opinion on that at all. It’s possible that COVID has decreased in severity so much that vaccination is no longer worthwhile, but that is a topic for scientific study and assessment.
Second, I can not find evidence that COVID vaccines are dangerously contaminated with bacterial endotoxins. You’ll have to give a reference for that, preferably a scientific one.
It’s all in the EU evaluation of the vaxxes after it went out. Pages and pages and pages of it. Not is has not yet made it into PubMed.
“That’s why controlled studies are needed, and why VAERS is useless for drawing definitive conclusions.”
Yes, controlled studies by honest and impartial researchers who are NOT being paid to push any particular agenda.
Yes, that’s the excuse the anti-vaxxers bring, isn’t it? Anything that goes against their views must have been bought off, because they just know their right. And around and around the circular logic goes.
Okay let’s go with “First Do No Harm” then. This is A LOT of harm being done.
If you removed every medical treatment that had potential side effects, you would have little left. Virtually every treatment involving drugs or surgery balances risk versus benefit.
Thus your “First Do No Harm” dictum, if applied rigorously, would shut down almost all of modern medicine.
In regards to your paper, it’s a meta-analysis that reports 511 cases of myocarditis drawn from 81 separate studies. So how many vaccination shots do these studies include? Strangely they don’t say. They don’t even estimate. If it’s around twenty-five million shots, then the rate of myocarditis would be 2 cases out 100,000, fully in line with many other studies.
I would agree with you BUT I see no signs anyone in power is interested in doing said research. Their sole interest seems to be smearing people Rose. Do you know of any research that contradicts her conclusions?
There’s been many dozens of studies on COVID vaccines and myocarditis. And they’re all in essential agreement: certain types of COVID vaccines present a risk of myocarditis, particularly to young males, but the risk is small (about 2 cases out of every 100,000 vaccination shots) and greatly overwhelmed by the risk of myocarditis by the COVID infection itself. Further, the risk of dying by vaccine-induced myocarditis is almost nil.
When young men are faced with Omicron why would we want them to risk the jab?
Holy crap, you really don’t read what people say, do you?
I explicitly SAID there was a clear connection between vaccination and myocarditis. I’ve said it bunch of times here. Numerous scientific papers show it.
But those papers, including the one you just provided, also show that it’s rare, about 2 cases out of 100,000 vaccinations on average, which means that there was far greater risk of getting myocarditis from COVID infection itself.
From Omicron? Alpha is gone. Delta is gone. No one is saying omicron causes more myocarditis that the jab.
A long watch indeed. But I’m glad I stuck it out. I probably should have waited till morning to watch it, because I have a hard time falling asleep when I’m pissed off.
Part 1, a very comprehensive and easy to follow talk by Dr. David Martin. How SARS-COV2 happened and timeline and some info I had never heard before…John Hoplkns Medical was the maker and beneficiary of HCQ…who knew that one?
Glace
I’ve been watching David Martin’s Vids since mid 2021.
The PATENT History does not lie…
First Vaxx based on mRNA Patented in 1990 – there goes the BS of Warp Speed. Notable as at that time 3 separate Animal Studies were performed, with every subject Dying…
I’m guessing that was the Desired Result.
La VAXX was in my opinion a built on Purpose Bio-Weapon pushed onto an unsuspecting Global Population for the DIRECT purpose of eliminating Humans..as many as possible. The Desired result aligning perfectly with WEF/Globohomo Desires.
Easily done so once the PsyOp of Trashing IVM & HCQ was completed
– compliments of the NE Journal of Medicine and Lancet…(via Teflon Tony Fauci). & Folks continue to die to this very day – all of them…”Suddenly”.
If as KM says COVID itself is Far Far more dangerous then why didn’t the entire compliment of some near 10,000 folks in the 2 Ships Quarantined early 2020….ALL DIE.? Fact is on the Diamond Princess outa ~3750 Mostly Elderly Passengers (Who else does a Mediteranean Cruise in Feb.??), only 14 persons Died. 100% Normal Attrition.
On USN 71 Theodore Roosevelt Aircraft Carrier: ~5950 Young folks ages 18-30 for the most part….only 1 person died from other issues.
COVID PANDEMIC ..???? BULLSHIT 100%
This was ATTEMPTED GENOCIDE
Petrified Lambs/Sheep being led to the slaughter via the VAXX – Heinrich Himmler woulda been proud…
Himmler was a rank amateur compared to the folks who arranged this.
The vax is great for dying suddenly, or at least quickly. It may reduce the incidence or at least the severity of covid in some cases. Cases such as low vitamin D, no hydroxychloroquine or no ivermectin.
The vaxxes cannot reduce anything related to the whu who flu, zero efficacy. If someone who took the shots did not get “covid” they were not exposed to “covid”, if they were exposed they got the “covid” flu, shots or no shots.
Jessica’s work is crack on in detecting a huge safety signal. Big Pharma had a ve$ted interest in deep sixing her paper initially as Pfizer Pfizzle stick generated $100Billion in sales. Their recent stock report on the Covid collapse is less than convincing, as they can’t give the crap away.
The myocarditis vs flu VAERS reports comparison shows two complete orders of magnitude of differential.
The initial spike followed by two attenuating pulses is text book shock wave stuff.
This is straight up bioweapon, right out of Fort Detrick, & Dr Fauci’s circumventing bioweapon research.
Thank you Dr Redfield for your testimony to Congress.
Cheers
C in C
1st St Nicolaas Army
Army Group True North
If you can smell my fart…
Your gas mask ain’t working.
Only Bill Gates is concerned about fart gasses, cows in particular.
He thinks we should lower their emissions 🙂
Cheers
C in C
1st St Nicolaas Army
Army Group True North
For all those who are foolish enough to support covid vaxxes, the vaxxes are killing people. No f****** question about it.
VOWG.
That is the understatement of the Millenium.
Damned straight they are.
However, when it comes to the Governing GloboHomo Cabal..? they should be mandatory – on a daily basis.
Only if they get the stuff that is killing fit young sportsmen around the world.
Dr Drew’s interview of Dr. Urso.
Dr Urso is an ophthalmologist and surgeon, who worked with modifiedRNA with the hopes of delivering chemotherapy to the eye and optic nerve. He worked with it for a number of years before giving up on it. His perspective is form someone with hands on and bench experience, at a time when modified RNA was made in blenders. He doesn’t think much of it. This is not to say that it wasn’t a brilliant concept and that it might have applications down the road, but the modified RNA approach was accelerated ahead of the science and ahead of an established tried and true manufacturing process. We know from the Danish studies that the product was not consistent from lot to lot. They even made changes to the manufacturing processes without retesting. I don’t know about pharmaceuticals, but I’m guessing that its as much of a nono as in pharma, as it is in electronics manufacturing, and we were dealing with inert substances and gases, not biologicals. https://www.youtube.com/live/sIU0yy63Lag?si=AhJzQL7fDuXE39O2
Where are the cross cultural comparisons? Lots of countries did not distribute the modifiedRNA platform. India, Iran, Russia, China.
Excellent question.
It’s reasonable to be skeptical of the covid stats. The testing, the record keeping, and the reporting weren’t rigorous, but sloppy, maybe incoherent. I don’t know if they were manipulated or bungled.
I’d like to point out that there is a big difference between the pre-omicron variants and Omicron and it’s descendents. Even the vax skeptics recognize that Delta was bad, and that the toolkit that emerged pre vaccine was not particularly effective. Omicron which emerged late 2021 greatly reduced any case for mandating the vaccines. Even so, in the period prior to Omnicron, only a vulnerable subset of the population was at risk.
EX..
I’m thinking that those countries looked back at India and their relationship with Bill Gates’ “vaccines” That literally Murdered many (I don’t know the exact figures, but it wasn’t just a “few” hundred..).
Gates’ first attempt at Genocide IMO.
He has to be the most EVIL POS still walking this planet.
Listen to Tucker Carlson’s latest interview with Bret Weinstein.
Weinstein makes a reasoned speculative argument that covid was a deliberately released bioweapon; because the Mrna “vaccine” affects the immune system a specific way, China therefore strategically protected itself by not using mrna “vaccines”; propaganda videos released worldwide from China at the onset of the “pandemic”, in conjunction with wholly compromised western governments, created the conditions of fear and the unhinged push to “vaccinate” entire western populations with unknown, untested, technology. Weinstein ties these arguments together with the underreported story of the presence of camps of secretive Chinese embedded amongst the hordes of ngo funded economic migrants invading the US southern border. And as an aside, he wonders whether China’s one child policy was, in fact, a cover to raise a huge male army.
It’s a very alarming, disturbing, and fascinating interview. Weinstein would be laughed at and instantly dismissed as a crackpot conspiracy theorist if weren’t for the fact that many of the things he states are, on their own, true. Taken as whole, it’s not a stretch to believe that China has carefully orchestrated the downfall of the west and is now in the latter stages of realizing its plan.
It did not escape my attention that, at the end of the day, the modifiedRNA was foisted onto Western societies, West Asians and the Anglosphere. But, on the hand, it seems to me that the 5Eyes were in collaboration with the Chinese. If that’s the case than 5Eyes sabotaged their own populations. Yes, the Tucker interview with Weinstein is a wake up call, and Tucker’s interview with RFK on the border is in sync with Dr Weinsteins.
Both sides of the .. We are not setup to study why we are incompetent coin .. They are all guilty for their own beholding sleazebag reasons.. All of them working a side door situation to their advantage..
Big pharma wants market share.. Hospitals want money.. Politicians want power.. Pool house Chad started selling masks.. The media wants clicks.. Clear the dance floor we have a pandemic..
And it all revolves around Trump’s 2nd term.. A new agenda to counter MAGA..
What good is a pandemic without a wonder vaccine to backfill it?.. What good is a election without unnecessary safety measures?.. I think upper management should do the right thing and work from home.. Understand?..
Vaccine? Exactly what # jab are they on now? 8…9…10…?
I’m sure the loyal believers are still rolling up their sleeves.
What is that # 15-20%?? And I see our true believer is still cheerleading.
If you don’t hear both sides of the argument, then you don’t understandf the issue. Here’s a rebuttal of Rose’s work:
https://sciencebasedmedicine.org/as-2021-shambles-to-a-close-the-misuse-of-vaers-by-antivaxxers-continues-apace/
By far the biggest problem is that her work is based on the VAERS database, which is not designed to draw definitive conclusions from, as the way it collects the data is far too loose. Rather it’s meant to signal where proper controlled research might be worthwhile.
One thing is absolutely guaranteed. Any questioning of Covid “vaccine” efficacy or side effects will be met with an immediate well coordinated rebuttal.
The stakes are high!
On March 18, the U.S. Supreme Court will be opining on the government coordinated suppression and censorship of Covid adverse reactions stories on social media.
Lower courts ruled that the literally thousands of FBI requests to censor factually accurate reporting amounted to an unconstitutional end run around the first amendment. The Government appealed stating that their thousands of highly detailed specific “suggestions” to censor content were merely that – suggestions. The courts ruled that persistent repeated specific suggestions to censor thousands of stories amounted to illegal and unconstitutional coercion.
Big Pharma, various vaccine pushing doctors and medical organizations along with many government agencies will be doing everything they can to cover their asses. The lawsuits are just starting.
I don’t care about reporting or social media. I’m going by the evidence. That’s all I argue from.
Here’s an article backed up by a long list of scientific references. It found that COVID vaccines can cause myocarditis or pericarditis, especially in young males, but the risk is small (about 26 cases in one million doses). The risk from dying from COVID itself is far higher.
Mycarditis and pericarditis after COVID-19 mRNA vaccines, Public Health Ontario
I would trust this report far more than I would trust Jessica Rose’s analysis.
So you would trust a government outlet which is covering its own ass because they ordered mandates? Wow.
And many dozens of scientific papers that found the incidence of myocarditis after COVID vaccines very low — on the order of 2 cases per 100,000 vaccinations.
https://www.thelancet.com/journals/lancet/article/PIIS0140-6736(22)00791-7/fulltext
Rose’s work shows a big spike 10 days after the jab. In Canada those people are classified as unvaccinated and their illness would be called myocarditis in the unvaccinated. Days 1-14 (1-21 in BC and Sask) is considered unvaccinated and any side effects are caused by COVID not the jab.
“…The risk from dying from COVID itself is far higher..”
100% PURE unadulterated Bullshit KM.
Covid was nothing more than a re-branded COLD.
Go get your 9th 10th & 11th Booster Moron.
It’s not me who is full of bullshit.
I can cite many hundreds of scientific papers from all around the world that refutes that.
What can you cite? What evidence can you bring, other than you’re own arrogant declarations?
You’re FOS, KM. After adding 2 more years of raw data she’s still getting a 0.8 correlation. When people stopped getting jabs the myo & pericarditis peaks disappeared. That’s pretty darn convincing EVIDENCE to most people. But evidently not to Big Pharma parrots. Did you even watch the video? I doubt it.
The VAERS dataset is NOT high enough quality to data conclusions from. Sorry if that bursts your bubble. Given that the public can submit a report to it, there’s no way to ensure that the data is accurate. There’s even the possibility now of deliberate contamination, given how heated the debate over COVID vaccines has become.
Here’s a meta-study that analyzes high quality data. It’s conclusions are very different than Rose’s:
https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/articles/PMC9538893/
You take what you can get. VAERS is all the U.S. has. After all the bloody money thrown at toxic jabs by Gov’t the fact that VAERS was not overhauled or some other dedicated COVID adverse effect reporting system wasn’t established to improve data quality is a BIG tell – they simply don’t care. Still a 0.8 correlation between different data sets over the entire Pandemic IS not by chance. Another fact is that almost all young people didn’t do boosters further supports the lack of myo & pericarditis spikes later – possibly because at an individual level they knew natural immunity was the far better choice after they got over Omicron. Rose’s graph is good solid evidence.
No, VAERS is not the only thing the U.S. has. It’s meant as an early warning system, an indicator that more controlled and systematic research needs to be done.
And that is precisely what many dozens of scientific studies have carried out. I’ve cited a few of them in this thread. It’s bizarre that we should ignore those results in favor of one based entirely on VAERS data.
killer unDORK
“I’m going by the evidence.”
like those redditt war game video evidence you were promoting on the war in the Ukraine????
If my posts get your gitch in a knot, don’t read them.
Evidence?
You claim the VAERS database is low quality while ignoring the many, documented (in some cases, under oath) instances of various Western governments outright lying or falsifying COVID data on deaths and injuries?
Seriously, dude. Your bizarre and by now religious faith in the incorruptible ivory tower of Science! is just comical at this point. No one is ever going to be able to put together a study that passes a first year bio course level of rigour because all of the data is hopelessly corrupted at this point.
I never claimed Science! is perfect. I understand its limitations better than you do.
But it’s a hundred times more convincing than anything you’ve brought to this discussion.
Interesting rebuttal. Especially since the self-proclaimed expert on the veracity of VAERS is an Oncologist who specializes in breast cancer. That’s a little…curious. Wouldn’t you say? He sort of forgot to mention the heart specialist that was listed as a co-author on Dr. Rose’s paper.
I could pick apart a number of things in this rebuttal, not the least of which is an attack on Dr. Rose personally while not necessarily sharing his own lacking credentials relative to the topic. He even claimed not to know what a computational biologist is. Here’s a hint. It’s someone who is uniquely qualified to offer up data sets and conclusions from evaluating biological data. But, one thing stands out. He wrote the rebuttal from a standpoint of “benefit of the doubt” when in fact such a status is no longer automatic within the general annals of the medical community, and must be earned back.
Gorski, the writer of the rebuttal, did not say that he did know what a computational biologist was. That was said by Joe Mercola, someone who interviewed Rose.
I meant to type “did not say he did NOT know”.
Keep trying. Eudravigilance tells the tale. As early as April 21, 2022, the number of authorized product suspected adverse reactions sent to EudraVigilance jumped 93% last year because of a surge in reports related to COVID-19 vaccines. Almost half of the record 3.5 million individual case safety reports (ICSRs) uploaded to the database related to vaccines against the pathogen.
Keep hoping.
You are correct.
VAERS database is inaccurate…only due to the fact that the info is collected from doctors voluntarily reporting.
How many adverse effects were not reported?
If anything the VARES reports are frightening in that they represent a sampling of the real number.
PRECISELY.
The only thing VAERS can report is things that happen after a COVID vaccination. It can not determine what happened BECAUSE of a COVID vaccination.
That’s why controlled studies are needed, and why VAERS is useless for drawing definitive conclusions.
One would think the precautionary principal is in order here. We know the mRNA gene transfection therapy device is contaminated with dsDNA and has an SV40 promoter in it that was not disclosed during the approval process AND some small amount of research has shown the mRNA sequence is incorporated into the DNA. There is also strong evidence the jab is contaminated with bacterial endotoxins that can cause sepsis and/or anaphylactic shock. We also know the mRNA contains altered nucleotides and this results in the cellular machinery pausing during translation and producing random protein bits, some of which resemble prions. Those are the known risks.
We also know young people and children are extremely unlikely to become very ill with Sars-Co-V2. The jab does not stop infection or transmission of the virus. The jabbed are know to get sick more often with the virus than less often and there is the biologically plausible mechanisms of original antigenic sin and/or antibody dependent enhancement to explain that. And the research showing reduction in symptoms and hospitalization has been challenged by other research indicating the jab does not reduce symptoms. (No control for healthy vaccinee bias.) So there does not appear to be much benefit to being jabbed, especially for children.
There is strong circumstantial evidence in the form of extreme levels of excess deaths that began precisely when the mass jab program started. The VAERs data by itself can also be considered strong circumstantial evidence of something very bad going on. Experts all over the world are calling for the jab to be stopped.
The precautionary principal requires we STOP immediately giving this jab with such high risk and such low benefit until the research you are calling for is completed. Once this research is complete and we know better we can go back to jabbing people.
So why don’t you call for that? Explain why you want to keep jabbing people in light of what we now know?
The “precautionary principle” isn’t the best approach for most medicines, as the risk a treatment entails has to be balanced by the benefit it might bring.
And (1) particularly in the early days, COVID was extremely dangerous, particularly for older people, (2) the vaccine wasn’t great at stopping the spread of COVID but good at preventing serious life-endangering symptoms, and (3) the vaccine was acceptably safe.
All of this was well demonstrated by thousands of scientific studies done world wide. You wouldn’t know that by the anti-vaccine cult who love to embrace any shoddy piece of evidence that supports their views — Rose’s work being an example — and pay no heed to countless well-designed studies, but the weight of the scientific evidence was extremely convincing.
I disagree with you on the quality of this research for a variety of reasons I have already given before which you never responded to beyond the circular “What are you references?” and if I took the time to produce them you would reply with “That’s not a creditable source.” However assuming everything you are saying about alpha is true, what you are saying is absolutely NOT true for Omicron. Nor have you responded to my comments about the contamination of the jab and all we know now about it. And you did what the jab mad crowd always do. Ignore the data, slander the author. Minimize the negative. So why do you still support jabbing people?
What possible risk/benefit analysis is there to justify jabbing people today?
Burch: I’m not a restaurant. I can’t nor do I care to respond to every topic you bring up.
First, I didn’t say we should keep vaccinating. I haven’t offered an opinion on that at all. It’s possible that COVID has decreased in severity so much that vaccination is no longer worthwhile, but that is a topic for scientific study and assessment.
Second, I can not find evidence that COVID vaccines are dangerously contaminated with bacterial endotoxins. You’ll have to give a reference for that, preferably a scientific one.
It’s all in the EU evaluation of the vaxxes after it went out. Pages and pages and pages of it. Not is has not yet made it into PubMed.
“That’s why controlled studies are needed, and why VAERS is useless for drawing definitive conclusions.”
Yes, controlled studies by honest and impartial researchers who are NOT being paid to push any particular agenda.
Yes, that’s the excuse the anti-vaxxers bring, isn’t it? Anything that goes against their views must have been bought off, because they just know their right. And around and around the circular logic goes.
Okay let’s go with “First Do No Harm” then. This is A LOT of harm being done.
https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/articles/PMC10022421/
If you removed every medical treatment that had potential side effects, you would have little left. Virtually every treatment involving drugs or surgery balances risk versus benefit.
Thus your “First Do No Harm” dictum, if applied rigorously, would shut down almost all of modern medicine.
In regards to your paper, it’s a meta-analysis that reports 511 cases of myocarditis drawn from 81 separate studies. So how many vaccination shots do these studies include? Strangely they don’t say. They don’t even estimate. If it’s around twenty-five million shots, then the rate of myocarditis would be 2 cases out 100,000, fully in line with many other studies.
I would agree with you BUT I see no signs anyone in power is interested in doing said research. Their sole interest seems to be smearing people Rose. Do you know of any research that contradicts her conclusions?
There’s been many dozens of studies on COVID vaccines and myocarditis. And they’re all in essential agreement: certain types of COVID vaccines present a risk of myocarditis, particularly to young males, but the risk is small (about 2 cases out of every 100,000 vaccination shots) and greatly overwhelmed by the risk of myocarditis by the COVID infection itself. Further, the risk of dying by vaccine-induced myocarditis is almost nil.
Here’s an example of these papers:
https://www.nejm.org/doi/full/10.1056/NEJMoa2110737
Oh look. You are quoting a 2021 article. Why not the more recent stuff like this 2023 one showing a clear connection between jabs and myocarditis?
https://www.ahajournals.org/doi/10.1161/CIRCRESAHA.123.321878
When young men are faced with Omicron why would we want them to risk the jab?
Holy crap, you really don’t read what people say, do you?
I explicitly SAID there was a clear connection between vaccination and myocarditis. I’ve said it bunch of times here. Numerous scientific papers show it.
But those papers, including the one you just provided, also show that it’s rare, about 2 cases out of 100,000 vaccinations on average, which means that there was far greater risk of getting myocarditis from COVID infection itself.
From Omicron? Alpha is gone. Delta is gone. No one is saying omicron causes more myocarditis that the jab.
Okay what about this?
https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/articles/PMC10022421/
A long watch indeed. But I’m glad I stuck it out. I probably should have waited till morning to watch it, because I have a hard time falling asleep when I’m pissed off.
Part 1, a very comprehensive and easy to follow talk by Dr. David Martin. How SARS-COV2 happened and timeline and some info I had never heard before…John Hoplkns Medical was the maker and beneficiary of HCQ…who knew that one?
https://rumble.com/v491s56-david-martin-great-set-up.html
Glace
I’ve been watching David Martin’s Vids since mid 2021.
The PATENT History does not lie…
First Vaxx based on mRNA Patented in 1990 – there goes the BS of Warp Speed. Notable as at that time 3 separate Animal Studies were performed, with every subject Dying…
I’m guessing that was the Desired Result.
La VAXX was in my opinion a built on Purpose Bio-Weapon pushed onto an unsuspecting Global Population for the DIRECT purpose of eliminating Humans..as many as possible. The Desired result aligning perfectly with WEF/Globohomo Desires.
Easily done so once the PsyOp of Trashing IVM & HCQ was completed
– compliments of the NE Journal of Medicine and Lancet…(via Teflon Tony Fauci). & Folks continue to die to this very day – all of them…”Suddenly”.
If as KM says COVID itself is Far Far more dangerous then why didn’t the entire compliment of some near 10,000 folks in the 2 Ships Quarantined early 2020….ALL DIE.? Fact is on the Diamond Princess outa ~3750 Mostly Elderly Passengers (Who else does a Mediteranean Cruise in Feb.??), only 14 persons Died. 100% Normal Attrition.
On USN 71 Theodore Roosevelt Aircraft Carrier: ~5950 Young folks ages 18-30 for the most part….only 1 person died from other issues.
COVID PANDEMIC ..???? BULLSHIT 100%
This was ATTEMPTED GENOCIDE
Petrified Lambs/Sheep being led to the slaughter via the VAXX – Heinrich Himmler woulda been proud…
Himmler was a rank amateur compared to the folks who arranged this.
The vax is great for dying suddenly, or at least quickly. It may reduce the incidence or at least the severity of covid in some cases. Cases such as low vitamin D, no hydroxychloroquine or no ivermectin.
The vaxxes cannot reduce anything related to the whu who flu, zero efficacy. If someone who took the shots did not get “covid” they were not exposed to “covid”, if they were exposed they got the “covid” flu, shots or no shots.
Jessica’s work is crack on in detecting a huge safety signal. Big Pharma had a ve$ted interest in deep sixing her paper initially as Pfizer Pfizzle stick generated $100Billion in sales. Their recent stock report on the Covid collapse is less than convincing, as they can’t give the crap away.
The myocarditis vs flu VAERS reports comparison shows two complete orders of magnitude of differential.
The initial spike followed by two attenuating pulses is text book shock wave stuff.
This is straight up bioweapon, right out of Fort Detrick, & Dr Fauci’s circumventing bioweapon research.
Thank you Dr Redfield for your testimony to Congress.
Cheers
C in C
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Army Group True North
If you can smell my fart…
Your gas mask ain’t working.
Only Bill Gates is concerned about fart gasses, cows in particular.
He thinks we should lower their emissions 🙂
Cheers
C in C
1st St Nicolaas Army
Army Group True North
For all those who are foolish enough to support covid vaxxes, the vaxxes are killing people. No f****** question about it.
VOWG.
That is the understatement of the Millenium.
Damned straight they are.
However, when it comes to the Governing GloboHomo Cabal..? they should be mandatory – on a daily basis.
Only if they get the stuff that is killing fit young sportsmen around the world.
Dr Joseph Fraiman and his team have researched Covid vaxes with rigor and without hyperbole.
https://pubmed.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/36055877/
Dr Drew’s interview of Dr. Urso.
Dr Urso is an ophthalmologist and surgeon, who worked with modifiedRNA with the hopes of delivering chemotherapy to the eye and optic nerve. He worked with it for a number of years before giving up on it. His perspective is form someone with hands on and bench experience, at a time when modified RNA was made in blenders. He doesn’t think much of it. This is not to say that it wasn’t a brilliant concept and that it might have applications down the road, but the modified RNA approach was accelerated ahead of the science and ahead of an established tried and true manufacturing process. We know from the Danish studies that the product was not consistent from lot to lot. They even made changes to the manufacturing processes without retesting. I don’t know about pharmaceuticals, but I’m guessing that its as much of a nono as in pharma, as it is in electronics manufacturing, and we were dealing with inert substances and gases, not biologicals.
https://www.youtube.com/live/sIU0yy63Lag?si=AhJzQL7fDuXE39O2
Where are the cross cultural comparisons? Lots of countries did not distribute the modifiedRNA platform. India, Iran, Russia, China.
Excellent question.
It’s reasonable to be skeptical of the covid stats. The testing, the record keeping, and the reporting weren’t rigorous, but sloppy, maybe incoherent. I don’t know if they were manipulated or bungled.
I’d like to point out that there is a big difference between the pre-omicron variants and Omicron and it’s descendents. Even the vax skeptics recognize that Delta was bad, and that the toolkit that emerged pre vaccine was not particularly effective. Omicron which emerged late 2021 greatly reduced any case for mandating the vaccines. Even so, in the period prior to Omnicron, only a vulnerable subset of the population was at risk.
EX..
I’m thinking that those countries looked back at India and their relationship with Bill Gates’ “vaccines” That literally Murdered many (I don’t know the exact figures, but it wasn’t just a “few” hundred..).
Gates’ first attempt at Genocide IMO.
He has to be the most EVIL POS still walking this planet.
Listen to Tucker Carlson’s latest interview with Bret Weinstein.
Weinstein makes a reasoned speculative argument that covid was a deliberately released bioweapon; because the Mrna “vaccine” affects the immune system a specific way, China therefore strategically protected itself by not using mrna “vaccines”; propaganda videos released worldwide from China at the onset of the “pandemic”, in conjunction with wholly compromised western governments, created the conditions of fear and the unhinged push to “vaccinate” entire western populations with unknown, untested, technology. Weinstein ties these arguments together with the underreported story of the presence of camps of secretive Chinese embedded amongst the hordes of ngo funded economic migrants invading the US southern border. And as an aside, he wonders whether China’s one child policy was, in fact, a cover to raise a huge male army.
It’s a very alarming, disturbing, and fascinating interview. Weinstein would be laughed at and instantly dismissed as a crackpot conspiracy theorist if weren’t for the fact that many of the things he states are, on their own, true. Taken as whole, it’s not a stretch to believe that China has carefully orchestrated the downfall of the west and is now in the latter stages of realizing its plan.
It did not escape my attention that, at the end of the day, the modifiedRNA was foisted onto Western societies, West Asians and the Anglosphere. But, on the hand, it seems to me that the 5Eyes were in collaboration with the Chinese. If that’s the case than 5Eyes sabotaged their own populations. Yes, the Tucker interview with Weinstein is a wake up call, and Tucker’s interview with RFK on the border is in sync with Dr Weinsteins.
Both sides of the .. We are not setup to study why we are incompetent coin .. They are all guilty for their own beholding sleazebag reasons.. All of them working a side door situation to their advantage..
Big pharma wants market share.. Hospitals want money.. Politicians want power.. Pool house Chad started selling masks.. The media wants clicks.. Clear the dance floor we have a pandemic..
And it all revolves around Trump’s 2nd term.. A new agenda to counter MAGA..
What good is a pandemic without a wonder vaccine to backfill it?.. What good is a election without unnecessary safety measures?.. I think upper management should do the right thing and work from home.. Understand?..
Vaccine? Exactly what # jab are they on now? 8…9…10…?
I’m sure the loyal believers are still rolling up their sleeves.
What is that # 15-20%?? And I see our true believer is still cheerleading.