Down The Primrose Path

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New York Times: Classified documents detailing secret American and NATO plans have appeared on Twitter and Telegram.

WASHINGTON — Classified war documents detailing secret American and NATO plans for building up the Ukrainian military ahead of a planned offensive against Russia were posted this week on social media channels, senior Biden administration officials said.

The Pentagon is investigating who may have been behind the leak of the documents, which appeared on Twitter and on Telegram, a platform with more than half a billion users that is widely available in Russia.

Military analysts said the documents appear to have been modified in certain parts from their original format, overstating American estimates of Ukrainian war dead and understating estimates of Russian troops killed.

The modifications could point to an effort of disinformation by Moscow, the analysts said. But the disclosures in the original documents, which appear as photographs of charts of anticipated weapons deliveries, troop and battalion strengths, and other plans, represents a significant breach of American intelligence in the effort to aid Ukraine.

Biden officials were working to get them deleted but had not, as of Thursday evening, succeeded.

“We are aware of the reports of social media posts and the department is reviewing the matter,” said Sabrina Singh, the deputy press secretary at the Pentagon.

The documents do not provide specific battle plans, like how, when, and where Ukraine intends to launch its offensive, which American officials say is likely coming in the next month or so. And because the documents are five weeks old, they offer a snapshot of time — the American and Ukrainian view, as of March 1, of what Ukrainian troops might need for the campaign.

To the trained eye of a Russian war planner, field general or intelligence analyst, however, the documents no doubt offer many tantalizing clues. The documents mention, for instance, the expenditure rate of HIMARS — American-supplied high mobility artillery rocket systems, which can launch attacks against targets like ammunition dumps, infrastructure and concentrations of troops, from a distance. The Pentagon has not said publicly how fast Ukrainian troops are using the HIMARS munitions; the documents do.

I’ve been looking for them, this is all I could pull up so far.

54 Replies to “Down The Primrose Path”

  1. “Overstating Ukrainian war dead and understating Russian war dead….”

    I would laugh, if this were a laughing matter, but more likely, it gave accurate numbers, and this claim is a lame attempt to cover the fact up.

      1. You mean like:

        – bioweapons labs
        – 8 year genocide in Donbas
        – 2014 was a coup
        – the Russian language is banned

        Etc?

        1. Jeezum Alan, Victoria Nuland copped to the bioweapons labs under oath before congress and they are mentioned on Hunter Biden’s laptop, he arranged for an investor wanted for stealing funds from Kazakstan to launder money through these labs, and there is a picture of Joe and Hunter Biden with that kleptocrat circulating.

          Yes, when the elected government is driven out of power by an armed mob storming the parliament, it’s a *coup*.

          Forget it, you don’t care about the truth, you just want to push propaganda.

          1. You’re equating Ukrainian labs having potentially dangerous samples – which they are allowed to have – to the US covertly funding bioweapons labs right next to a world superpower. The latter doesn’t even make sense.

            Those samples? They were bought from Russia.

            There’s a reason Russia was laughed out of the UN.

          2. That’s not what Nuland has said. You know it already. Yet you continue repeating what you know is not true. Also it is the laziest, most absurd accusation.

          3. @Allan S – The US would never fund bio labs or gain of function research ANYWHERE just ask Fauci and get your ouchy.

      1. HAHAHA. Are you really buying this. You can be darn sure. NO-one knows the real numbers when it comes to the dead (Either side) Now who looks stupid allan.

        1. False dichotomy.

          This being an edit and what you typed can both be true at the same time.

  2. Remember when it was leaked that Ukraine was going to liberate Kherson first, then they routed Kharkiv instead?

    This is likely the same thing.

      1. Maybe they put the real casualty numbers in there to make the Russians think it was authentic.

  5. and when the USSA, britin , and gerkmany run out of war supplies………………………….

    1. You haven’t been paying attention outside of your bubble, have you? No only arms production has skyrocketed in the West every place you look. And they can outproduce orcs several times over without breaking a sweat. But it is Orgrimmar that is scraping from the bottom of the barrel reactivating T-54s (they’re out of most usable T-62s already) and buying Iranian drones and North Korean munitions.

      1. Cool! We’re paying the ChiComs $B’s to produce our WAR machinery. We’ve outsourced our hegemony to the ChiComs.

    1. The answers to all three of those rhetorical questions is Yes, Yes, and Yes. All three lie all the time, and all three are unworthy of our support.

      2. @Prairie Sky – 50% correct!

        You forgot, NATO, US, UK, EU as well……….

        The only people involved not lying are dying.

  7. It has been said that the first casualty of war is the truth. It seems to have been proven once again.

  8. No plan survives contact with the enemy.. The expectation that we are going to kick their asses clean without provoking the use of nuclear weapons is reassuring.. Putin gets replaced in a coup and we all live happily ever after..

    1. ” The expectation that we are going to kick their asses clean without provoking the use of nuclear weapons is reassuring.. Putin gets replaced in a coup and we all live happily ever after..”

      Yup…that’s the fantasy world that they seem to inhabit, isn’t it?

    2. “Putin gets replaced in a coup and we all live happily ever after..”

      Strawman and a bad idea to boot. Pootin has been doing great job destabilizing and neutering russia. The longer he is in power the more damage he does. Replacing him with someone competent would be a disaster. The further he drags Orgrimmar down the better. There will be no happily every after until Orgrimmar collapses, and it will.

  9. I follow about 30 Russian Telegram channels and none of them have this. The one link at the bottom of the post is only a very generalized picture of the war. It does show each unit location, but this information is available on certain OSINT accounts. The quality may vary.

    Recently it was stated by Ukraine leadership that only a handful of people on the planet know Ukraines counteroffensive plans. They certainly wouldn’t be put into a document such as this.

  10. The fact remains that the Ukrainian border is far more important than the US southern border.

    Because the Ukrainians pay better.

    1. I agree, supporters of Putin and Russia need their heads examined. The war is completely unjustified.

          1. ” ebt:
            The war is indeed entirely unjustified. So why do you want it to continue?

            Allan S:

            Who says I do? ”

            You do, every time you post.

            If you are only wiling to support delivering more and more weaponry to Ukraine but are opposed to direct NATO intervention, you are FOR prolonging the war. Every legitimate military expert knows that only “boots on the ground” can ever drive the Russians from the territory they already hold…so are you in favor of Canadian troops fighting against Russian troops in Ukraine, Allan? Yes or no?

          2. “Every legitimate military expert knows that only “boots on the ground” can ever drive the Russians from the territory they already hold…”

            Ukrainians have plenty of boots. They’re short on gear not men. Besides, you have no idea what military experts say or know.

          3. Besides Freddie, it is important to underline what a vile demagogue you are. When you’re talking about war continuing, or not, and pretending to be a humanitarian, you’re in fact arguing that Ukraininas should not have the means to defend themselves from the orcish horde. When you’re postulating leaving Ukrainians to themselves, you’re in fact postulating leaving them for extermination, occupation and gulag. You know that is what you’re doing, but you cynically pretend otherwise. You are a pathetic, revolting hypocrite.

  12. Every president (except Trump) has had need of a signature war. President Doofus is no different, no matter how close he inches us to a nuclear interaction and the end of the world. One’s legacy, in a world which no longer exists, is pre-eminent.

      1. It seems to me that most U.S. wars are started during a presidents second term. Carter and Ford never made it to a second term.

  13. Interesting thread from Dr Snekotron who has analyzed the whole thing:
    https://twitter.com/snekotron/status/1644158771155935233

    “The Russian number of killed [Pre-edit] generally align with some of the more pessimistic [from the Russian side] estimates (within reason, including LDPR and wagner losses), but the Ukrainian loss stats are just a copy paste from the Ukrainian General Staff. Nonsensical. /19″

  14. Colon and Allan seem to have the war all figured out, maybe they could lend their expertise to the Ukraine and the U S .

  15. It’s not all about Ukraine.
    https://www.zerohedge.com/geopolitical/luongo-davos-runs-opec-buzzsaw
    “”
    The defection of the Saudis is the biggest strategic defeat of this entire war. Without a compliant KSA there is no controlling oil prices and, by extension, the ability to control asset prices worldwide through currency trading.

    Here we are 13+ months into this fight and Ukraine has all but lost the war. Bahkmut is done. Zelenskyy has lost the support of the military and only the warmongers at the top of NATO and the EU want this war to continue.

    And continue it will. Finland’s Davos government fell on its sword on its way out the door to make it a combatant by joining NATO. There is too much smoke out there that the West is gearing up for an industrial war against Russia and China in the 2024-25 time frame. They may lose in Ukraine but another front is just around the corner.

    But for all of the focus on Ukraine and the insane tragedy of it, the oil pits and the diplomatic backrooms is where the war is really being fought.

  16. They didn’t find or didn’t want to find their Supreme Court leaker why would anyone think they want to find this one?

  17. Twitter and Discord are suppressing this information because it places them and their users in legal trouble.

    Telegram and 4chan might work. I’ve heard it’s 30 pages. I’ve seen 5. It’s mostly an intelligence report from those pages, not war plans. It does however have Ukrainian unit construction.

  18. Well, I guess I’m now totally aligned with the Turd, Biden, Schiff, Pelosi, Macron, Bojo, Zlensky, Soros, Schwab, and the rest of the good guys who are doing their best to prevent the terrible genocide against the trans folk and the Ukrainians.

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