26 Replies to “Giant fans didn’t spin too much on Tuesday in the land of living skies”

  2. Yes, wind and solar cannot replace, or even help normal power generation, except on a micro-scale, but…
    Even the left is not so biased as this site.
    If you would be even the least bit intellectually honest, you would also publish information about when wind or solar provided a significant amount of power, but, as just another agenda-driven site, I won’t hold my breath.

      1. It looks that way, but if we can’t get real numbers, we cannot know for sure.
        You can swallow whatever line you like, the green or the right, but the fact is, without real numbers, you’re pissing into the wind.

        1. I think the point being made here is when power demand is high (winter) wind and solar are not reliable. We know they work, when they work.

    2. Power generation is infrastructure. Like highways. And bridges. If the highways and bridges do there job, there’s nothing to report. No news here. But when the bridge collapses into the river and is nonfunctional, well that’s news. And that’s what wind does on a frequent, but irregular basis. At any given time, wind power generation collapses to nothing for a random length of time on a random day.
      My agenda is this: My wife is an ER nurse. And I want the lights to stay on in her ER when she’s doing CPR. Period. End of story. That’s my agenda.

    3. you mean that those bird killers actually produce some power once in a while??? well I will darn……holy hot damn

    4. “Even the left is not so biased as this site.”

      Been to MotherCorpse lately? As in, any time in the last 40 years? Go ahead, announce there that wind & solar suck, see just how open minded they are. The difference is, the right has a case. The left doesn’t.

    5. HiHO, the idiots who want wind and solar power ignore the fact that they cannot be made without fossil fuels, they consume more energy than they ever create.

  3. The probable optimistic maximum capacity factor for wind is somewhere around 26% (of installed capacity) on average, That’s all you need to know except that as the above informs, you need spinning backup capacity for 100% of installed wind capacity. Grid parasites.

  4. If only there was some substance readily available, possibly underground, that could undergo some chemical process that would provide a vast source of energy, but unfortunately, such a phenomenon does not exist and we need to rotate these blades on the rare occasion when the wind blows strongly enough, or hope that a stray sunbeam finds the target of a solar panel. Calm and cloudy weather such as we have had 95% of the time since the heating season began around here is not much use in either “alternative” but then luckily we have damn big dams in BC so even socialists can get cheap electricity here. It’s a Canadian fact.

  5. There is only one real metric, that this site ignores, along with every other site:
    Dollars/kWhr amortized over the lifespan of the installation.
    Until we are given those numbers, all the rest is just so much agenda-driven hot air.

    1. Dollars per kWhr for what exactly?

      And what availability factor is the minimum acceptable for your supply of electricity?

      1. “Dollars per kWhr for what exactly?”
        um, dollars, as in how much it costs, per kWhr, as in how much energy.
        You can’t be this dumb.
        Tell me, what is this “availability factor” you speak of? Oh yeah, AB, energy capital of Canada, has grid warnings, etc, like Texas did, like Ontario or Quebec never has, but people ignored them.
        So, you need to figure out how many watts/square-foot/degree your home has to determine your minimum “availability factor.”
        Yeah, math is hard, but if it’s enough to keep the little people warm in winter, well its enough to keep my heated pool warm and run my automated sprinkler system, right?
        Make your own power, like off-grid people do, you spoiled little brat.

        1. HiHo, when you take the bus because your E-bike Scooter Thingy isn’t charged, the real number for your E-bike Scotter Thingy operation includes your bus pass.
          And hopefully a fire extinguisher or 10 and some extra insurance when it burns the building down.

          Someday you’re going to make the mistake and insult somebody in person. Hopefully sooner than later ya friendless fck.

        2. Ok HiHo

          Availability factor. What fraction of a day, or week do you want electricity power? Is it 100% of the time? Or are you willing to live with less? For example, no power at night.

          It has nothing to do with watts/square foot/degree in my house.

        3. Ho Hi

          Dollars for what? What things do you want to spend the money on?

          For example: the cost to replace all existing fossil fuel generation with wind and solar? Do we include the cost of dismantling the fossil fuel plants?

          Do we replace all gas stoves, home heating, and water heaters with electric?

          Do we replace all trains, and diesel trucks with electric?

          What percentage of fossil fuel private cars do you wish replaced with electric vehicles. And are those vehicles cars or e-scooters.

          Do we include electric grid upgrades in the cost?

          Are you willing to ration electricity usage? This goes to how much kWhr have to be provided over the course of a day.

          And how much battery back up do we have to provide?

          How much no electricity time per day or week are you willing to tolerate?

          1. Your points here are very much in line with my coverage of these energy items in writing Pipeline Online. Our power system in Saskatchewan is generally 99.9 per cent reliably. Anything less than that, and we start having serious problems. And I never want to see us end up in those situations – grid alerts, rationing. And we should never allow it to happen.

          2. Brian

            And I didn’t really get into how much capacity we need to meet peak daily demand. When the wind isn’t blowing and its dark, the electricity demand has to be met from something? I also want to know from Hi Ho if this cost should be included in his dollars per kWhr number, or is Hi Ho willing to tolerate some periods of no power.

          3. And Ho Hi

            Would your dollar/kWhr include the reclamation costs for wind turbines and solar panels?

            And the reclamation costs for back up battery units?

            And the reclamation costs of the copper, cobalt, and lithium mines?

            I didn’t include capital and operating costs of the mines and the cost to manufacture solar panels and windmills, since one could argue these costs are included in the capital cost of wind and solar. But I’ve not seen mine reclamation costs included in the cost of wind and solar.

    2. “There is only one real metric, that this site ignores, along with every other site:
      Dollars/kWhr amortized over the lifespan of the installation.”

      Wind turbines would be right at the very bottom of any such list. Worst option out of all of them.

    3. The issue with the cost of wind power on the grid is that they get preferential sales (the utility pays them when they generate regardless of the varying grid demand. It means that the producers of reliable and scalable power reduce their efficiency to cater to the unreliable’s ups and downs and periodic over supply (negative sales) and in doing so cost more than they would without the grid parasites. So whatever price the unreliables are getting, it doesn’t reflect the cost to the rest of the grid. This is why their proponents boast of their supposed “low cost”.

    4. “There is only one real metric, that this site ignores, along with every other site…”

      The only metric that counts is if there is reliable electricity when you need it. Wind & solar cannot supply that. Everything else is noise.

  6. Sorry Japan (and everyone else), we want a deceased future. Sorry I meant to type decarbonized.

    Sorry Prairies don’t begin to hope modular reactors are for you. Even if they are built in ON (by SNC).

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