“I was attacked in The Atlantic because I was on the side of peace”.
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Neville Chamberlain was on the side of peace, peace at all cost. Hitler was also on the side of peace as long as he got his way. Gandhi was on the side of peace, truly. So we know there is more to it. But what is the cost of peace, what is the cost of war, what is the cost of capitulating to the other side’s demands, and will there be more? Have any of those questions been thoughtfully answered or assessed? Putin generally says what he means, and it was pretty clear what pissed him off. Why was there no proper negotiation before the bullets started flying? What were the motivations on both sides, and on the Third Parties who stuck their noses in?
What was Trump doing differently, besides showing strength and confidence instead of weakness and dithering?
Obama is also still butthurt about being sidelined by Putin in Syria.
So … the new REDLINE Obama is willing to cross is thermonuclear WAR!? This is what happens when you put an emotionally needy, low IQ man like Barry Soweto in the White House for 8 years. However … Barry is a clever slimeball as Joe Bidinh’s name will be on Nuclear conflagration… not Barry’s
Putin isn’t Hitler, despite the LSM propaganda and BS.
Too much emotional nonsense and western propaganda surrounding this, but there’s lots of betrayal and disingenous garbage emanating from the US and the EU neo-cons.
Obey the Big Screen Mediots, obey the Big Screen Mediots.
Putin is – by any objective measures – doing many of the same things that Hitler did.
…… and how many people in Britain and America were claiming in the mid 1930s that Hitler wasn’t as bad as he was painted, that his “concerns” for Germanic people were legitimate, and that those pointing out how ambitious he was, were “warmongers”
Exactly!
The irony is that the useful idiots (a Russian term, btw) who want us to take Putin’s claimed grievances as the gospel truth, utterly dismiss his stated intention of rebuilding the Czarist/Soviet Empire….. a project in which Ukraine is only the first step.
Paranoia, paranoia….don’t miss your CBC brainwashing session tonight!
Facts betray your screed and delusions.
“Putin is – by any objective measures – doing many of the same things that Hitler did.”
Yeah, except for the Master Race stuff, the 1000 Year Reich and the genocide, sure.
Neville Chamberlain was on the side of peace, peace at all cost. Hitler was also on the side of peace as long as he got his way. Gandhi was on the side of peace, truly. So we know there is more to it. But what is the cost of peace, what is the cost of war, what is the cost of capitulating to the other side’s demands, and will there be more? Have any of those questions been thoughtfully answered or assessed? Putin generally says what he means, and it was pretty clear what pissed him off. Why was there no proper negotiation before the bullets started flying? What were the motivations on both sides, and on the Third Parties who stuck their noses in?
I’m glad these decisions aren’t up to me.
We must fight them on the steppes, on the beaches of the Baltic, in the woods of Karkov, we will fight to the last Ukrainian, we will never allow them to make peace.
Russians usually make peace by slaughtering their enemies. If I was Ukrainian I’d be more content to die fighting that surrendering to the Russians.
You live in a comic book world just as all the “stand with Ukraine” morons do thousands of miles away from the battle. The Russians signed the Minks Agreement in good faith. They did not break the terms; Ukraine did.
You’ve heard of history? have you ever read any?
Are you saying the Minsk Agreement is fiction? Who’s totally ignorant of history here?
Yes, the Misk agreement would give the Russians what they wanted without having to have their army destroyed trying to get it. An awesome deal. Peace by preemptive surrender.
Rusty, and you should learn to understand history. As it appears you don’t. You also don’t appear to understand the current conflict!
The Russians have been patient, haven’t they. They haven’t even approached scorched earth and have had plenty of opportunity to destroy the infrastructure base of Ukraine, electrical, water, communications, transportation. They could have laid waste to Kiev.
But they didn’t, not because they couldn’t or were timid. It wasn’t necessary.
This isn’t the war western media is propagandizing, nor the war the emotionally compromised describe it, they just see red and repeat the Nazi propaganda, without conscience. The West is supporting overseas Nazis, while decrying Nazis at home.
Clown World.
It was 60 days before they made a direct attack on the Ukr railroad system.
Meanwhile back in he real world Orcs are loosing. And, no they weren’t able to do more than they have done without using nukes. They blew their load and had no plan B.
Also, anyone who uses the world “Nazi” as an argument in Ukraine vs Orc war is a retard only marginally smarter than those who are using the phrase “globohomo.” Film at 11.
@Rusty Shackleford – “If I was Ukrainian I’d be more content to die fighting that surrendering to the Russians.”
LOL – Louis XVI wouldn’t have stated it better! I don’t think anyone in his court would have volunteered to go help physically support that claim either.
Because Ukrainians have no agency, because they haven’t said it themselves? Russkij vojennyj korabl, idi na chuj!
Exactly right, Ukrainians have refused to live on their knees. A wise choice. Also for now at least, they got orcs on the run.
Nobody is forcing the Ukrainians to fight – it was their willingness to stand their ground that shamed the US and others into supporting them.
Robert…
What is your alternative?
Disarm the Ukrainians so that they can be crushed more easily?
Does it not occur to you that the Ukrainians were fighting BEFORE foreign military aid started enter the country? That they were fighting SUCCESSFULLY after the Biden administration had previously denied their request to PURCHASE weapons, and when the only real assistance that the US was offering was to fly Zelensky out of the country.
It’s pretty damned arrogant to declare that the Ukrainians don’t get a say in this.
PeterW
The Ukes would NOT be fighting if the USA had not got things started. This is a USA proxy war. Actually it is a USA Jews war, and one has to wonder why these communist Jews are trying to destroy western democracies and capitalism. Is it because the RCC was the driving force behind the effort to destroy Judaism. They did that for 1500 years, culminating in the 13th and 14th centuries when they told the Jews to convert, or get out?
FYI there in fact were negotiations “before the bullets started flying” but DC-Davos Globohomo and their lapdog corporate media will NEVER remind you of this.
Chamberlain was as Prime Minister instrumental in rearming the UK. He felt he had to make every effort to avoid a renewal of the WW1 slaughter.
He fully backed Churchill as PM
Paul..
And Churchill – who had actually served on the Western Front, was terrified of another WW1.
He was simply had a better understanding that Chamberlain, regarding what it took to avoid war.
You can’t negotiate from a position of weakness. You can’t deter a bully by giving him what he wants.
Jeffrey Sachs in the American Spectator from 2020:
“This last week, Sachs was at the Vatican pontificating about the evil of Donald Trump’s America while sitting next to Bishop Marcelo Sánchez Sorondo, chancellor of the Pontifical Academy of Sciences. Sorondo cheered Sachs on as he ripped into America as a force of “thuggery” in the world. (Sorondo has a low opinion of America but an exceedingly high one of communist China, which he considers “the best implementer of Catholic social doctrine” in the world today.)
“Sachs, no doubt speaking for many Vatican officials, said that Donald Trump’s reelection would be “absolutely dangerous” for the world. Sachs is a supporter of Bernie Sanders, who was, notably, the only presidential candidate invited to the Vatican in 2016.”
“Vatican officials have still not recovered from Donald Trump’s victory. The globalist ninnies who perch at the Vatican, such as Sachs, see Trump, with his emphasis on sovereignty, as the greatest threat to their dream of world government — a dream they conceal in the rhetoric of “multilateralism” and “international institutions.”
Sachs is a Jew, Sanders is a Jew. Is the pope catholic?
No, he’s communist.
And and atheist to boot.
Micky T
And I am also an atheist, and a true conservative, not a pretend bible thumper cuckservative. So do you have a point??????
Colonidiot
And Marx was a Jew, and a communist!
The push behind Biden/EU et all comes from DAVOS – UN – WEF and company. Rothschilds a major force behind that wall of Satanic Filth.
It is THEIR varied MONEY interests (Trillions at stake), within said country that stand to be obliterated. And given “they” want US all dead”..?? A Nuclear war would certainly go a LONG LONG way to achieving what a 2 bit virus & accompanying PsyOp could not.
WE, the human population hang in the balance.
The November mid terms loom larger than LIFE itself…and you can bet your life’s savings, those Filthy Rat PHUQUES in the DNC along with their pet RINO’s will go to ANY Lengths to see they do not lose.
If things go kinetic…amid a stolen Mid Term election, may those who fight on the side of Humanity and TRUTH be victorious… SEMPER FI
Make no mistake … this is a WAR to FORCE the LGBTQqEI2s+/- on Russia … on Putin. Regime change = LGBTQqEI2s+/- acceptance, nay enforcement. This is as much a culture WAR as a geopolitical WAR
There would be no war if Putin hadn’t invaded Ukraine. If Russia ends up gay it’s on him.
“There would be no war if Putin hadn’t invaded Ukraine.” – LOL
It’s hard to fathom the simplicity of the propagandized masses occupying western nations today. Best to just take your 6th booster, glue the channel selector to CBC and let Justin show you the rest of the way.
It’d hard to fathom the mind of someone who thinks that that collection of non-sequiters and ad-homs is a valid argument.
PeterW – projection much?
Make no mistake … this is a WAR to FORCE the LGBTQqEI2s+/- on Russia … on Putin. Regime change = LGBTQqEI2s+/- acceptance, nay enforcement. This is as much a culture WAR as a geopolitical WAR
Just how delusional do you have to be to believe this bullshit? These are ordinary men and women fighting for their families, their country, their children and their way of life.
More Jeffrey Sachs – the Ivy League Dunce of the Century also in the American Spectator from 2019:
“Another was Jeffrey Sachs, a professor at Columbia University, who touted threats of catastrophic increases in sea level, even though the rate of sea level rise is lower for the 2000s than it was in the 1900s.
The guy is a Left Wing Extremist jackass.
He is more complex than that. Go into the enemy camp and listen to what he says.
Yes, he believes in global warming etc. But his thesis (from 2018) remains intact. The United States is “losing the basis of peaceful cooperation … and it could get worse … because there are a lot of people in [the American] establishment who like war”.
He got that right, four years ago.
No he didn’t. He thought Trump not the Democrats were the warmongers. Sachs is an ass clown.
And to think it took 3 generations to get there.
There is a “small minority out there” with this opinion (that the US bombed Nord stream). The masses are the last to know, and by then it’s too late. As the professor notes, there has been no attempt to dampen the dangerous escalation toward a nuclear war. Something about a one-armed hunter explaining why you don’t back a badger into a corner. And not liking badgers is a bad reason.
Jeffrey Sachs:
“..Sachs, who has served as an adviser to three United Nations secretaries-general, has advocated for a reduction in fertility rates in developing countries through the dissemination of contraception, a view at odds with Catholic teaching…”
“.In April, Sachs wrote: “There are credible charges of human rights abuses against Uighurs, but those do not per se constitute genocide.”
And here he is promoting what is essentially COMMUNISM – everyone down to the lowest Common Denominator.
“..Present at a workshop in the Vatican is the American economist, Jeffrey Sachs, who discusses the importance of a [socially just and inclusive] global economy…”
Yep…just another Commie member of the Club of ROME who kisses CHINESE ASS.
Fk him.
The World Economy? It all comes down to Energy. Plentiful Energy or Energy Shortages? Remember the inflation and recessions caused by the Arab Oil Embargoes of 1973, and then the Iranian Revolution a few years later?
Europe is about to reap the whirlwind of the Green New Deal.
Stop Oil? More like Stop Civilization.
Further proof that any moron that “stands with Ukraine” is fully backing DC-Davos Globohomo’s Great Reset.
Yes
We in the west can never admit we are wrong. There could have been peace last March but Trudeau, Biden, and Johnson all said no, we want war to distract our citizens from our scandals back home.
In March Ukraine agreed to Russia’s terms for peace now Ukraine is being turned into a gravel pit.
Don’t forget, that fraud and CLOWN, BOJO scuttled a truce back in April.
They don’t want “peace”, but are naive in thinking that they have any power over Russia. They badly underestimate the resolve of the Bear.
Those who do not understand history are doomed to repeat it.
There was never a truce you dim-witted parrot. Any so called truce would just be time for Siberian Mongols to rearm. Ukrainians understood it well. Bojo had nothing to do with it.
@ bjb
Yea, so much for Canada’s traditional “peacekeeping” satire on the world stage, it went bungee jumping.
*Cough*… Gulf of Tonkin…*cough* *cough* – Kinda reminds me of Democrat Senator Wayne Morse who tried to tell his fellow Democrats that Johnson’s use of the Gulf of Tonkin resolution as a pretext to become even more involved in Vietnam was a big steaming pile of B.S. No one listened. 58,000 lives later…
Once this Ukraine/Russia thing is sorted out maybe we could we have a moratorium on bow ties and round eye frames worn by aging news types?
If we all work together we can make it happen.
The Ukraine Nazi’s have already condemned Musk as an “enemy of the state” for suggesting peace talks instead of escalating to nuclear war. So much for giving them free Starlink internet access.
burton
Try the USS Liberty, much bigger deal, and done by Johnson the johnson, and almost the start of a nuclear war!
I remember the Gulf of Tonkin. That was when the North Vietnamese decided that there were just too many white folks in the South China Sea, and decided to go honky Tonkin…
Nothing but Kremlin talking points. Come up with some new material already. Yawn. Just repetition of Mearshimers “realist” line of thinking which is just neocolonialism.
Ukraine has the right of self determination. Period. Russia agreed to that in the UN charter, agreed to that when the USSR broke up. They further agreed to honor the borders in the Budapest memorandum which they tore up. Yeltsin also said a countries have the right to enter into any agreement.
I also suggest research into the “founding agreement” between Russia and NATO and the subsequent exchanges between the two. Russia wanted to join NATO.
When the Quebec separation arguments come up, we often hear the natives or the anglos would then have the right to separate from Quebec, i.e. they have the right to self determination too. Donbass appears to be an example of that.
Kosovo is being brought up as a similar example.
Norm
And there is Newfberta separation on the whine track as we post.
As to alla unDORK’s post, he/she/it is always WRONG!
Not even close. A referendum under military occupation isn’t a referendum. Nobody credible says it was legit. That’s why only North Korea recognizes Luhansk and Donetsk as Russian.
“Not even close. A referendum under military occupation isn’t a referendum. Nobody credible says it was legit. ”
And that is precisely the reason why Elon Musk is proposing another set of *internationally monitored* referendums, which Ukraine (and you) are opposing for some inexplicable reason.
No, remnants of occupation do not get to vote, they get expelled. Any collaborator with the russian occupiers ought to be sent back to mother russia, not be allowed to decide the fate of Ukraine.
Allan S – “Ukraine has the right of self determination” – self determination via the Clinton/ Obama democracy making machine that also helped millions in the “Arab Spring” get some democracy.
By your own criteria you shouldn’t have a problem with Russian Speaking Ukrainians in the East voting for their own self-determination as well. Period.
Sure, no problem. But do it without military occupation legitimately. Also make sure the 50% of the population that left has come back.
If they want to be a part of Russia, why did the cast majority of civilians who left head west and not east?
alla unDORK
If you had ever read any credible news since 2014, you would know that eastern Ukes want out of the rest of the Ukraine.
Butt you just read libtard BULLSCHITT!
@ Allan S – They (Donbass) have been under military occupation and violence since 2014.
“….why did the cast majority of civilians who left head west and not east?” – there is no substantiated proof that the majority of peoples of those specific regions (who fled) went west rather than east. Obviously many if not most have stayed in those regions and indeed the western Ukrainians who fled went west.
It’s baffling that so many westerners do not believe that they are subjected to Propaganda in this day and age. Experimental vaccines are good for you, those Nazi symbols don’t mean what you think they mean, Hunter Biden is a Ukrainian oil & gas expert. We need to consult the “Ghost of Kiev” for some perspective on truth I suppose.
It’s strange that a few here stand with the ideologies of globalist autocrats from EU fascists in Brussels to the Clinton propaganda regurgitated over and over on MSNBC, with little historical context before Feb 2022.
Yes, it’s true. The “S” does indeed stand for S(hitforbrains).
As I’ve said before, Russia will suffer crushing losses and humiliating defeat (according to the western MSM, which has new-found legitimacy in the eyes of “conservatives”), until they have achieved all of their strategic objectives.
Meanwhile the west will continue to chemically and surgically castrate and neuter their children, starve and freeze their people, virtue-signaling like the clowns that they are all the while.
@HiHo 100%
The support for this globalist propaganda only proves what sort of trouble western nations are really in. Pretending that there is some sort of “win” in escalation rather than striving for peaceful negotiations is beyond stupidity.
“The West” has turned into a bunch of safety-obsessed pussywillows, who now care more for the “safety” of their trannies, gay folk, colored folk, etc and whatever other minority they can use to extend state power than they do for their citizens, and they have no qualms about denouncing and imprisoning folk who actually champion (or even joke about) traditional western values. Diagolon and Proud Boys being cases in point.
Western culture has sickened to the point of no return. No matter who we elect, “we” will still have Pride parades, tranny story hours, politically correct legislation, etc.
Here, cops will turn around on the highway, put on their lights, and pull you over for not wearing a seat belt. In Russia, this does not happen.
@HiHo
It’s perplexing to read so called “conservatives” supporting the “woke” narrative handed to them by same liars that have been incrementally taking their rights and freedoms away for two decades now.
The only people seriously squawking about Russia as an evil empire 10 years ago were the Clinton’s & Obama before they helped facilitate the 2014 coup in Ukraine after their 2011 “Arab Spring” went politically south. Prior to this was the interference into Russian/ Georgia affair as the Clinton’s fanned the flames of Georgia NATO membership – “Clinton said the U.S. still supports Georgia’s bid for membership in the NATO military alliance.” https://www.deseret.com/2010/7/6/20126002/clinton-pans-russian-occupation-of-georgia
Since 2014 there has been nothing but aggressive “Russia, Russia, Russia” propaganda blatantly thrown into full throttle after Trump won 2016 and stalled any further military aggression towards Russia. Ukraine now a western friendly corrupt money laundering black hole within Europe was ripe for the Biden’s to make a little money on the side.
Four years later, Trump’s passive interference is gone and things are back on track with the Clinton’s and ilk making their daily Liberal media rounds while folks on all sides eat the crap on their way to economic and potential nuclear disaster.
Agreed.
IMHO, if the election had not been stolen, NATO and the gang would not have used the Ukraine as a staging ground to threaten Russia, by placing weapons systems on the border. Trump and Farage were both trying to work with Russia, but once Biden got power, all bets were off, and now we’re headed into Terra incognito, perhaps nuclear war, thanks to the woke west.
“As I’ve said before, ”
You said a lot of things. Those things are not true. Those things are not smart either. You should say less things.
Shrug. When the cats turn into pussies, the rats take over.
Pootin started chewing his way into the grain bin when Obammy was on guard, took a siesta when Trump took over, and went into Super Rodent mode when Joe Depends lay down in the kitty litter.
Wrong.
Under Trump, NATO would not have been able to use the Ukraine to threaten Russia by placing weapons on the border. Under the war-mongering coalition between the left and the neo-cons that got into power after the Bidet consortium stole power, all bets are off, and now we have them goading Russia into defending themselves, which is why they invaded the Ukraine in the first place.
NATO never placed any weapons inside Ukraine to threaten russia. That is a lie. You can stop lying.
Neville Chamberlain was on the side of peace, peace at all cost. Hitler was also on the side of peace as long as he got his way. Gandhi was on the side of peace, truly. So we know there is more to it. But what is the cost of peace, what is the cost of war, what is the cost of capitulating to the other side’s demands, and will there be more? Have any of those questions been thoughtfully answered or assessed? Putin generally says what he means, and it was pretty clear what pissed him off. Why was there no proper negotiation before the bullets started flying? What were the motivations on both sides, and on the Third Parties who stuck their noses in?
What was Trump doing differently, besides showing strength and confidence instead of weakness and dithering?
Obama is also still butthurt about being sidelined by Putin in Syria.
So … the new REDLINE Obama is willing to cross is thermonuclear WAR!? This is what happens when you put an emotionally needy, low IQ man like Barry Soweto in the White House for 8 years. However … Barry is a clever slimeball as Joe Bidinh’s name will be on Nuclear conflagration… not Barry’s
Putin isn’t Hitler, despite the LSM propaganda and BS.
Too much emotional nonsense and western propaganda surrounding this, but there’s lots of betrayal and disingenous garbage emanating from the US and the EU neo-cons.
Obey the Big Screen Mediots, obey the Big Screen Mediots.
Putin is – by any objective measures – doing many of the same things that Hitler did.
…… and how many people in Britain and America were claiming in the mid 1930s that Hitler wasn’t as bad as he was painted, that his “concerns” for Germanic people were legitimate, and that those pointing out how ambitious he was, were “warmongers”
Exactly!
The irony is that the useful idiots (a Russian term, btw) who want us to take Putin’s claimed grievances as the gospel truth, utterly dismiss his stated intention of rebuilding the Czarist/Soviet Empire….. a project in which Ukraine is only the first step.
Paranoia, paranoia….don’t miss your CBC brainwashing session tonight!
Facts betray your screed and delusions.
“Putin is – by any objective measures – doing many of the same things that Hitler did.”
Yeah, except for the Master Race stuff, the 1000 Year Reich and the genocide, sure.
Neville Chamberlain was on the side of peace, peace at all cost. Hitler was also on the side of peace as long as he got his way. Gandhi was on the side of peace, truly. So we know there is more to it. But what is the cost of peace, what is the cost of war, what is the cost of capitulating to the other side’s demands, and will there be more? Have any of those questions been thoughtfully answered or assessed? Putin generally says what he means, and it was pretty clear what pissed him off. Why was there no proper negotiation before the bullets started flying? What were the motivations on both sides, and on the Third Parties who stuck their noses in?
I’m glad these decisions aren’t up to me.
We must fight them on the steppes, on the beaches of the Baltic, in the woods of Karkov, we will fight to the last Ukrainian, we will never allow them to make peace.
Russians usually make peace by slaughtering their enemies. If I was Ukrainian I’d be more content to die fighting that surrendering to the Russians.
You live in a comic book world just as all the “stand with Ukraine” morons do thousands of miles away from the battle. The Russians signed the Minks Agreement in good faith. They did not break the terms; Ukraine did.
You’ve heard of history? have you ever read any?
Are you saying the Minsk Agreement is fiction? Who’s totally ignorant of history here?
Yes, the Misk agreement would give the Russians what they wanted without having to have their army destroyed trying to get it. An awesome deal. Peace by preemptive surrender.
Rusty, and you should learn to understand history. As it appears you don’t. You also don’t appear to understand the current conflict!
The Russians have been patient, haven’t they. They haven’t even approached scorched earth and have had plenty of opportunity to destroy the infrastructure base of Ukraine, electrical, water, communications, transportation. They could have laid waste to Kiev.
But they didn’t, not because they couldn’t or were timid. It wasn’t necessary.
This isn’t the war western media is propagandizing, nor the war the emotionally compromised describe it, they just see red and repeat the Nazi propaganda, without conscience. The West is supporting overseas Nazis, while decrying Nazis at home.
Clown World.
It was 60 days before they made a direct attack on the Ukr railroad system.
Meanwhile back in he real world Orcs are loosing. And, no they weren’t able to do more than they have done without using nukes. They blew their load and had no plan B.
Also, anyone who uses the world “Nazi” as an argument in Ukraine vs Orc war is a retard only marginally smarter than those who are using the phrase “globohomo.” Film at 11.
@Rusty Shackleford – “If I was Ukrainian I’d be more content to die fighting that surrendering to the Russians.”
LOL – Louis XVI wouldn’t have stated it better! I don’t think anyone in his court would have volunteered to go help physically support that claim either.
Because Ukrainians have no agency, because they haven’t said it themselves? Russkij vojennyj korabl, idi na chuj!
Exactly right, Ukrainians have refused to live on their knees. A wise choice. Also for now at least, they got orcs on the run.
Nobody is forcing the Ukrainians to fight – it was their willingness to stand their ground that shamed the US and others into supporting them.
Robert…
What is your alternative?
Disarm the Ukrainians so that they can be crushed more easily?
Does it not occur to you that the Ukrainians were fighting BEFORE foreign military aid started enter the country? That they were fighting SUCCESSFULLY after the Biden administration had previously denied their request to PURCHASE weapons, and when the only real assistance that the US was offering was to fly Zelensky out of the country.
It’s pretty damned arrogant to declare that the Ukrainians don’t get a say in this.
PeterW
The Ukes would NOT be fighting if the USA had not got things started. This is a USA proxy war. Actually it is a USA Jews war, and one has to wonder why these communist Jews are trying to destroy western democracies and capitalism. Is it because the RCC was the driving force behind the effort to destroy Judaism. They did that for 1500 years, culminating in the 13th and 14th centuries when they told the Jews to convert, or get out?
FYI there in fact were negotiations “before the bullets started flying” but DC-Davos Globohomo and their lapdog corporate media will NEVER remind you of this.
https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Minsk_agreements
do you really want to die for the US state dept?
Worse. For a complete loser like Blinken!?
Chamberlain was as Prime Minister instrumental in rearming the UK. He felt he had to make every effort to avoid a renewal of the WW1 slaughter.
He fully backed Churchill as PM
Paul..
And Churchill – who had actually served on the Western Front, was terrified of another WW1.
He was simply had a better understanding that Chamberlain, regarding what it took to avoid war.
You can’t negotiate from a position of weakness. You can’t deter a bully by giving him what he wants.
Jeffrey Sachs in the American Spectator from 2020:
“This last week, Sachs was at the Vatican pontificating about the evil of Donald Trump’s America while sitting next to Bishop Marcelo Sánchez Sorondo, chancellor of the Pontifical Academy of Sciences. Sorondo cheered Sachs on as he ripped into America as a force of “thuggery” in the world. (Sorondo has a low opinion of America but an exceedingly high one of communist China, which he considers “the best implementer of Catholic social doctrine” in the world today.)
“Sachs, no doubt speaking for many Vatican officials, said that Donald Trump’s reelection would be “absolutely dangerous” for the world. Sachs is a supporter of Bernie Sanders, who was, notably, the only presidential candidate invited to the Vatican in 2016.”
“Vatican officials have still not recovered from Donald Trump’s victory. The globalist ninnies who perch at the Vatican, such as Sachs, see Trump, with his emphasis on sovereignty, as the greatest threat to their dream of world government — a dream they conceal in the rhetoric of “multilateralism” and “international institutions.”
Sachs is a Jew, Sanders is a Jew. Is the pope catholic?
No, he’s communist.
And and atheist to boot.
Micky T
And I am also an atheist, and a true conservative, not a pretend bible thumper cuckservative. So do you have a point??????
Colonidiot
And Marx was a Jew, and a communist!
The push behind Biden/EU et all comes from DAVOS – UN – WEF and company. Rothschilds a major force behind that wall of Satanic Filth.
It is THEIR varied MONEY interests (Trillions at stake), within said country that stand to be obliterated. And given “they” want US all dead”..?? A Nuclear war would certainly go a LONG LONG way to achieving what a 2 bit virus & accompanying PsyOp could not.
WE, the human population hang in the balance.
The November mid terms loom larger than LIFE itself…and you can bet your life’s savings, those Filthy Rat PHUQUES in the DNC along with their pet RINO’s will go to ANY Lengths to see they do not lose.
If things go kinetic…amid a stolen Mid Term election, may those who fight on the side of Humanity and TRUTH be victorious… SEMPER FI
Make no mistake … this is a WAR to FORCE the LGBTQqEI2s+/- on Russia … on Putin. Regime change = LGBTQqEI2s+/- acceptance, nay enforcement. This is as much a culture WAR as a geopolitical WAR
There would be no war if Putin hadn’t invaded Ukraine. If Russia ends up gay it’s on him.
“There would be no war if Putin hadn’t invaded Ukraine.” – LOL
It’s hard to fathom the simplicity of the propagandized masses occupying western nations today. Best to just take your 6th booster, glue the channel selector to CBC and let Justin show you the rest of the way.
It’d hard to fathom the mind of someone who thinks that that collection of non-sequiters and ad-homs is a valid argument.
PeterW – projection much?
Make no mistake … this is a WAR to FORCE the LGBTQqEI2s+/- on Russia … on Putin. Regime change = LGBTQqEI2s+/- acceptance, nay enforcement. This is as much a culture WAR as a geopolitical WAR
Just how delusional do you have to be to believe this bullshit? These are ordinary men and women fighting for their families, their country, their children and their way of life.
More Jeffrey Sachs – the Ivy League Dunce of the Century also in the American Spectator from 2019:
“Another was Jeffrey Sachs, a professor at Columbia University, who touted threats of catastrophic increases in sea level, even though the rate of sea level rise is lower for the 2000s than it was in the 1900s.
The guy is a Left Wing Extremist jackass.
He is more complex than that. Go into the enemy camp and listen to what he says.
https://www.msnbc.com/morning-joe/watch/jeffrey-sachs-looks-to-a-new-foreign-policy-1334670915895
Yes, he believes in global warming etc. But his thesis (from 2018) remains intact. The United States is “losing the basis of peaceful cooperation … and it could get worse … because there are a lot of people in [the American] establishment who like war”.
He got that right, four years ago.
No he didn’t. He thought Trump not the Democrats were the warmongers. Sachs is an ass clown.
And to think it took 3 generations to get there.
There is a “small minority out there” with this opinion (that the US bombed Nord stream). The masses are the last to know, and by then it’s too late. As the professor notes, there has been no attempt to dampen the dangerous escalation toward a nuclear war. Something about a one-armed hunter explaining why you don’t back a badger into a corner. And not liking badgers is a bad reason.
Jeffrey Sachs:
“..Sachs, who has served as an adviser to three United Nations secretaries-general, has advocated for a reduction in fertility rates in developing countries through the dissemination of contraception, a view at odds with Catholic teaching…”
“.In April, Sachs wrote: “There are credible charges of human rights abuses against Uighurs, but those do not per se constitute genocide.”
And here he is promoting what is essentially COMMUNISM – everyone down to the lowest Common Denominator.
“..Present at a workshop in the Vatican is the American economist, Jeffrey Sachs, who discusses the importance of a [socially just and inclusive] global economy…”
Yep…just another Commie member of the Club of ROME who kisses CHINESE ASS.
Fk him.
The World Economy? It all comes down to Energy. Plentiful Energy or Energy Shortages? Remember the inflation and recessions caused by the Arab Oil Embargoes of 1973, and then the Iranian Revolution a few years later?
Europe is about to reap the whirlwind of the Green New Deal.
Stop Oil? More like Stop Civilization.
Further proof that any moron that “stands with Ukraine” is fully backing DC-Davos Globohomo’s Great Reset.
Yes
We in the west can never admit we are wrong. There could have been peace last March but Trudeau, Biden, and Johnson all said no, we want war to distract our citizens from our scandals back home.
In March Ukraine agreed to Russia’s terms for peace now Ukraine is being turned into a gravel pit.
Don’t forget, that fraud and CLOWN, BOJO scuttled a truce back in April.
They don’t want “peace”, but are naive in thinking that they have any power over Russia. They badly underestimate the resolve of the Bear.
Those who do not understand history are doomed to repeat it.
There was never a truce you dim-witted parrot. Any so called truce would just be time for Siberian Mongols to rearm. Ukrainians understood it well. Bojo had nothing to do with it.
@ bjb
Yea, so much for Canada’s traditional “peacekeeping” satire on the world stage, it went bungee jumping.
*Cough*… Gulf of Tonkin…*cough* *cough* – Kinda reminds me of Democrat Senator Wayne Morse who tried to tell his fellow Democrats that Johnson’s use of the Gulf of Tonkin resolution as a pretext to become even more involved in Vietnam was a big steaming pile of B.S. No one listened. 58,000 lives later…
Did you catch Elon Musk’s peace proposal??
https://twitter.com/elonmusk/status/1576969255031296000?cxt=HHwWgMDSvdXLwuIrAAAA
I dunno…I’m not a geo political expert but it seems reasonable to me but the left aren’t interested so war it shall be.
Once this Ukraine/Russia thing is sorted out maybe we could we have a moratorium on bow ties and round eye frames worn by aging news types?
If we all work together we can make it happen.
The Ukraine Nazi’s have already condemned Musk as an “enemy of the state” for suggesting peace talks instead of escalating to nuclear war. So much for giving them free Starlink internet access.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=KvPam8N_SKE&ab_channel=SaltyCracker
burton
Try the USS Liberty, much bigger deal, and done by Johnson the johnson, and almost the start of a nuclear war!
I remember the Gulf of Tonkin. That was when the North Vietnamese decided that there were just too many white folks in the South China Sea, and decided to go honky Tonkin…
LOL. 7:26 “…we went through an insurrection.”
That got my alarm bells ringing.
Performance art. These people are stupid.
https://twitter.com/wwwYQ6661308579/status/1577173723294990339?cxt=HHwWhoCg4aTJn-MrAAAA
Nothing but Kremlin talking points. Come up with some new material already. Yawn. Just repetition of Mearshimers “realist” line of thinking which is just neocolonialism.
Ukraine has the right of self determination. Period. Russia agreed to that in the UN charter, agreed to that when the USSR broke up. They further agreed to honor the borders in the Budapest memorandum which they tore up. Yeltsin also said a countries have the right to enter into any agreement.
I also suggest research into the “founding agreement” between Russia and NATO and the subsequent exchanges between the two. Russia wanted to join NATO.
When the Quebec separation arguments come up, we often hear the natives or the anglos would then have the right to separate from Quebec, i.e. they have the right to self determination too. Donbass appears to be an example of that.
Kosovo is being brought up as a similar example.
Norm
And there is Newfberta separation on the whine track as we post.
As to alla unDORK’s post, he/she/it is always WRONG!
Not even close. A referendum under military occupation isn’t a referendum. Nobody credible says it was legit. That’s why only North Korea recognizes Luhansk and Donetsk as Russian.
“Not even close. A referendum under military occupation isn’t a referendum. Nobody credible says it was legit. ”
And that is precisely the reason why Elon Musk is proposing another set of *internationally monitored* referendums, which Ukraine (and you) are opposing for some inexplicable reason.
No, remnants of occupation do not get to vote, they get expelled. Any collaborator with the russian occupiers ought to be sent back to mother russia, not be allowed to decide the fate of Ukraine.
Allan S – “Ukraine has the right of self determination” – self determination via the Clinton/ Obama democracy making machine that also helped millions in the “Arab Spring” get some democracy.
By your own criteria you shouldn’t have a problem with Russian Speaking Ukrainians in the East voting for their own self-determination as well. Period.
Sure, no problem. But do it without military occupation legitimately. Also make sure the 50% of the population that left has come back.
If they want to be a part of Russia, why did the cast majority of civilians who left head west and not east?
alla unDORK
If you had ever read any credible news since 2014, you would know that eastern Ukes want out of the rest of the Ukraine.
Butt you just read libtard BULLSCHITT!
@ Allan S – They (Donbass) have been under military occupation and violence since 2014.
“….why did the cast majority of civilians who left head west and not east?” – there is no substantiated proof that the majority of peoples of those specific regions (who fled) went west rather than east. Obviously many if not most have stayed in those regions and indeed the western Ukrainians who fled went west.
It’s baffling that so many westerners do not believe that they are subjected to Propaganda in this day and age. Experimental vaccines are good for you, those Nazi symbols don’t mean what you think they mean, Hunter Biden is a Ukrainian oil & gas expert. We need to consult the “Ghost of Kiev” for some perspective on truth I suppose.
It’s strange that a few here stand with the ideologies of globalist autocrats from EU fascists in Brussels to the Clinton propaganda regurgitated over and over on MSNBC, with little historical context before Feb 2022.
Yes, it’s true. The “S” does indeed stand for S(hitforbrains).
I prefer Martin Armstrong’s take: https://www.zerohedge.com/markets/2023-will-be-year-hell-martin-armstrong-warns-europe-could-suck-rest-world-down-tubes?utm_source=&utm_medium=email&utm_campaign=957
As I’ve said before, Russia will suffer crushing losses and humiliating defeat (according to the western MSM, which has new-found legitimacy in the eyes of “conservatives”), until they have achieved all of their strategic objectives.
Meanwhile the west will continue to chemically and surgically castrate and neuter their children, starve and freeze their people, virtue-signaling like the clowns that they are all the while.
@HiHo 100%
The support for this globalist propaganda only proves what sort of trouble western nations are really in. Pretending that there is some sort of “win” in escalation rather than striving for peaceful negotiations is beyond stupidity.
“The West” has turned into a bunch of safety-obsessed pussywillows, who now care more for the “safety” of their trannies, gay folk, colored folk, etc and whatever other minority they can use to extend state power than they do for their citizens, and they have no qualms about denouncing and imprisoning folk who actually champion (or even joke about) traditional western values. Diagolon and Proud Boys being cases in point.
Western culture has sickened to the point of no return. No matter who we elect, “we” will still have Pride parades, tranny story hours, politically correct legislation, etc.
Here, cops will turn around on the highway, put on their lights, and pull you over for not wearing a seat belt. In Russia, this does not happen.
@HiHo
It’s perplexing to read so called “conservatives” supporting the “woke” narrative handed to them by same liars that have been incrementally taking their rights and freedoms away for two decades now.
The only people seriously squawking about Russia as an evil empire 10 years ago were the Clinton’s & Obama before they helped facilitate the 2014 coup in Ukraine after their 2011 “Arab Spring” went politically south. Prior to this was the interference into Russian/ Georgia affair as the Clinton’s fanned the flames of Georgia NATO membership – “Clinton said the U.S. still supports Georgia’s bid for membership in the NATO military alliance.”
https://www.deseret.com/2010/7/6/20126002/clinton-pans-russian-occupation-of-georgia
No one seems to remember this……
“Report: Clinton Collected Millions In Russian Cash Before Approving Russian Uranium Deal”
https://thefederalist.com/2015/04/23/report-clinton-collected-millions-in-russian-cash-while-negotiating-russian-uranium-deal/
Since 2014 there has been nothing but aggressive “Russia, Russia, Russia” propaganda blatantly thrown into full throttle after Trump won 2016 and stalled any further military aggression towards Russia. Ukraine now a western friendly corrupt money laundering black hole within Europe was ripe for the Biden’s to make a little money on the side.
Four years later, Trump’s passive interference is gone and things are back on track with the Clinton’s and ilk making their daily Liberal media rounds while folks on all sides eat the crap on their way to economic and potential nuclear disaster.
Agreed.
IMHO, if the election had not been stolen, NATO and the gang would not have used the Ukraine as a staging ground to threaten Russia, by placing weapons systems on the border. Trump and Farage were both trying to work with Russia, but once Biden got power, all bets were off, and now we’re headed into Terra incognito, perhaps nuclear war, thanks to the woke west.
“As I’ve said before, ”
You said a lot of things. Those things are not true. Those things are not smart either. You should say less things.
Shrug. When the cats turn into pussies, the rats take over.
Pootin started chewing his way into the grain bin when Obammy was on guard, took a siesta when Trump took over, and went into Super Rodent mode when Joe Depends lay down in the kitty litter.
Wrong.
Under Trump, NATO would not have been able to use the Ukraine to threaten Russia by placing weapons on the border. Under the war-mongering coalition between the left and the neo-cons that got into power after the Bidet consortium stole power, all bets are off, and now we have them goading Russia into defending themselves, which is why they invaded the Ukraine in the first place.
NATO never placed any weapons inside Ukraine to threaten russia. That is a lie. You can stop lying.
Sure.
and here’s proof of Puteen blowing up the Nordstream 2 pipeline
https://www.monkeywerxus.com/blog/the-nord-stream-2-pipeline-sabotage
The unreported internal problems arising from the sanctions as well as internal politics is crashing Russia.
Russia is done. It just has to play out.