Stephen McIntyre takes a look at Quebec’s numbers and finds some interesting details that other provinces aren’t publishing. (click on chart for full screen)
2/ the most obvious observation about new hospitalizations is that (unsurprisingly) they are dominated by seniors and particularly over 80s – a group which is almost totally vaxxed.
3/ a secondary observation is that, in younger agegroups, number of new hospitalizations among unvax is pretty similar to number of new hospitalizations among vax, even though population of unvax is much smaller. This is consistent with primary messaging from governments.
5/ the pressure on Quebec hospitals is coming from a different direction: fully vax 60+ seniors and especially 80+ seniors.
Emphasis mine. Read the whole thing.
McIntyre, from revealing the BS hockey stick, to explaining the hokey schtick.
Looks like someone in Quebec might get turfed…Cant have the narrative damaged like this..!!
More REASON not to even CONSIDER that garbage…no.?
meh…think I’ll stay a Pure Blood.
And his comment that even thought the graphs CLEARLY show its the VAX thats the issue….He’s still pushing the MSM/Govt/Health NARRATIVE of “VAX is Good – UNVAX is bad”.
Fuck you Mcintyre
The graphs don’t show that at all, because it doesn’t correct for population.
Sorry, but if the argument is “who is cluttering up the beds” and needs to be “punished”, then the denominator is irrelevant.
But you knew that already.
Ping!
Daily Double.
Not exactly, because it would be much much worse if the vaccinated population didn’t vaccinate.
If none had vaccinated, take the current vaccinated hospitalized population and multiply it by 15 then add in current unvaccinated hospitalized population. That would be your current overall hospitalized population.
I’m right in the middle of the 60 to 69 group, and I see nothing here that convinces me I should get the vax.
At least I don’t have to worry about blood clots and heart attacks.
Yes, odds of dying from COVID compared are low and not getting vaxxed looks to be keeping me out of hospital.
Time to tax the damn boomers for clogging up the hospitals.
Indeed. Gotta make room for all the millennials with crushed thumbs because they don’t know how to use a hammer.
Beauty.
Daily reminder that it’s boomers in hospital from covid AND demanding younger people pay a tax or take the vaxx. It’s classic boomer behavior selfish jerks.
Zero for 4 there, Jimbo. Wanna try again? That’s just one of the many problems with you snot-nosed punks: you can’t forge a coherent argument, even using a foot wide paint brush.
You do know what the pro-vax detractors are going to say, do you?
That these are absolute numbers, not ratios, and since pretty near everyone in the older age groups have been vaxxed, it would only be natural that there would be so many more hospitalizations in real numbers in those age categories among the vaxxed than the unvaxed.
Sorry for playing devil’s advocate, but do they have a point? They’re still saying, even in light of these numbers, that the unvaxed is far more likely to contract Covid than the vaxxed. I’m still waiting for a reasonable counter-argument against that talking point.
My idiot brothers live in Quebec, and they are all on board with these draconian measures, so I need something to use to wake them up.
“…but do they have a point?”
Yes, they do, but only to the extent that for elderly and those of ill health vaccines statistically do more good than harm. This is probably not true for other large segments of the population. Especially given marginal effectiveness against Xi (Omicron) strain and its mildness. Note that I have never subscribed to the idea what Wuhan flu is just a flu. It is more than that, but not nearly as much as the fearmongers claim (those of binary brain set, I know your arguments there is no need to engage, we will not convince each other). In any case: the one size fits all approach, the manipulation of statistics, the draconian restrictions, their jackbooted enforcement, the growth of police state and the backdoor introduction of the social credit score are much more dangerous than Wuhan flu.
I think we do agree that there’s a radical overreach by government, and it does appear to have something to do with prepping for a social credit score. After all, we “anti-vaxxers” have already been denied employment, and the means of sustaining ourselves. Why would governments do this? It’s obviously not for health or safety.
Indeed. I have been explaining this obvious truth to those willing to hear. Nothing to do with public health, all to do with the implementation of social credit.I was reading over Townhall about how the editorial board of a Utah newspaper was calling for deployment of the National Guard to ensure that “unvaccinated people” would not have access to “anything”. I do hope that regulars here, specially those on the other side of the devide, realize that once the cat is out of the bag, “they” will come for all, jabbed or not. That’s the fight.
@fc – “……but do they have a point?”
They do if they are saying that the vaccines aren’t working like they promised they would work.
They would never admit to that. At this point, that’s obvious to anyone with a clear head and thinking rationally.
No, they have no point. When you get old, you eventually die. From an actuarial point of view, death works out to one per person, per lifetime. Nothing has changed, which is why Covid deaths cluster around expectancy. What has changed, is the large increase in early death in younger cohorts not related to Covid. While small in absolute terms due to the previous, it is nonetheless statistically significant, and a crime against humanity. The vax should be discouraged among all but the elderly, and among them it is mainly a choice to die of something other than Covid for whatever peace that brings.
Omicron should be spread on purpose if anything, a vax program for the young that will outlast the toxic jab, and leave people’s lives intact.
I agree. If the jab is of any use to anyone, it’s the elderly. It’s absolute insanity to jab under 40’s unless they have comorbidities.
Yeah that for one thing, or that the government demands that a 12 year old child receives three times the dose as a child 11 years and 364 days old.
Actually, “they” do.
If the number of unvaxxed was higher, there would be far greater hospitalizations, ICU, and deaths.
And the vast majority of them elderly
If a hospital bed or even an ICU bed is taken, what difference does the age of the patient make?
This is not a vaccine , period
That’s two tangents in a row now. Congrats!
The difference is you focus this flu shot on the elderly and vulnerable and you’ll get the best case scenario.
The unvaxxed are not driving the pandemic and are not responsible for misuse of health resources. Because of fear porn people are flocking to ERs the second the see a double stipe on the rapid test.
Allan, you are either dense or deliberately obtuse. It makes all the difference. Dead is dead. People overwhelmingly die of Covid at expectancy, so it makes no difference why they die. Hospital capacity over the last 30 years has been cut by 70% in terms of beds per thousand of population, even as the population has aged. That has more to due with any capacity constraints than Covid.
@Allan S – “If the number of unvaxxed was higher, there would be far greater hospitalizations, ICU, and deaths.”
Proof?
The proof is when you compare the *rates* between vaccinated and unvaccinated. Take Manitoba for example. For the last 6 weeks the unvaccinated are 21x more likely to end up in the ICU and 17x more likely to end up dead from Covid. So to get “all unvaccinated numbers” multiply the above with amount of vaccinated people in ICU and that died in the last 6 weeks.Astronomical.
What a load of bullshit
How many got infected with Covid while already in hospital with other serious conditions?
“For the last 6 weeks the unvaccinated are 21x more likely to end up in the ICU and 17x more likely to end up dead from Covid.”
How many dead children under the age of 18 was that again?
Another tangent?
Fuck you.
“If the number of unvaxxed was higher….”
…. among the sick and the elderly….” you daft demagogue.
Also:
“If the number of unvaxxed was higher….”
“… we would be seeing much less vaccine side effects” you disingenuous cupid stunt.
I doubt it. The one thing that is missing in all the BS is the fact that a large percentage of the people in the country have acquired natural immunity to the virus (which is infinitely superior to the short time frame, narrow band “efficacy” of these gene therapeutics).
You’re just re-iterating the premise of my question, Allan S. You’re not really answering it.
I hate to tell you, but vaccinations are supposed to stop infection. These don’t.
How many vaccines are 100% at stopping infection? Theres not a single study that says any of the Covid vaccines are 100%. You might find the odd talking head saying it, but that hardly counts.
The smallpox vaccine wasn’t 100%, yet smallpox was eradicated.
Smallpox is not a coronavirus and doesn’t mutate as fast. Covid can’t be eradicated with a vaccine, anyone double vaxxed is as vaxxed as the unvaxxed virtually. Anyone triple vaxxed is still not immune from Omicron. One the the talking heads that told people this vaccine was sterilizing was Anthony Fauci
This. Is. The. Flu. Shot
If they’re not immune why is their chances of hospitalization, ICU, and death so much lower than unvaccinated? Look at the Israel data.
A big part of why the vaccine wanes is because it offers no mucosal immunity.
https://www.merriam-webster.com/dictionary/immunity
Even twats like Merriam Webster didn’t get around the tampering with this definition.
“ Essential Meaning of immunity
1 medical : the power to keep yourself from being affected by a disease
They have developed immunity to the virus.
They have developed an immunity to the virus.”
Also fatal to your bullshit is the fact that at no time did they recommend the fully vaxxed to stop mitigation measures
@Allan S – “A big part of why the vaccine wanes is because it offers no mucosal immunity.”
LOL
@Paul
“ @Allan S – “A big part of why the vaccine wanes is because it offers no mucosal immunity.”
LOL”
Yeah instead of conceding he wants to equivocate .
The majority of smallpox and polio deaths and hospitalizations were NEVER among those vaccinated against them, you lying piece of shit.
This.
If covid didn’t start as “another flu”, that is it’s destiny. But you can’t have a sterilizing vaccine for covid for the same reason you can’t have one for the flu.
It’s. The. Flu. Shot.
Bill K. I agree, with the slight qualification that influenza virii and coronavirii are different. The common cold is a coronavirus; and, it seems to me that the common cold mutates much faster and less predictably than the flu, so I would hazard to speculate that the efficacy of these jabs is about as effective as those jabs against the common cold, ie vanishingly small to zero.
I think its destiny is to become a bad cold.
I know, tomato, tomahtoe. 🙂
Actually the coronavirus has a replicating “check” in place. The odds of the coronavirus mutating compared to the flu is much lower for each replication. However because there is much more replication going on (more infected people, and infected for longer periods) you get coronavirus mutation.
Fuck off Allan. You’ve got a credibility gap that you could sail a supertanker through.
@yeahwell
Yes. I quite agree with you. This is here to stay.
Pfizer claimed 95% efficacy using non-FDA approved RRR (relative risk reduction). In reality, and using the FDA-approved ARR (absolute risk resuction) method, it’s 1%.
Sheer fraud.
I’d read and heard about this but only recently understood it with the help of a video by the 500 member Alliance of Canadian Covid Care Doctors.
Imagine how many people would have taken the mysterious experimental injection had they known that it would reduce their risk by a mere 1%.
Of course you couldn’t bother with a legit citation for your numbers.
Do they have a point? When the vaxxed is far more likely to contract COVID than the unvaxxed, the point would be that the vaccines don’t work.
A friend is about to lose his dad. Was in the hospital for a fall for the last 3 months. Got Covid a week ago in hospital. Cant breathe and is unresponsive. He’s fully vaxed.
Hospital not giving ivermectin.
What would it hurt at this point?
It would hurt the narrative.
As Ward sez below, it would damage the narrative.
The coordinated global gubmint response was never about “health”.
This is extremely easy to prove.
Kickback payments related to tiered sales quotas.
It would hurt Pfizer.
A neighbour was in the hospital with covid. His son took some ivermectin pour-on and rubbed it on his feet. He recovered fully.
Probably want to go at 3 or 4X label dose. It’s safe and effective.
The amino acid arginine would also likely be helpful.
https://chrismasterjohnphd.com/blog/2021/10/01/the-one-amino-acid-that-cured-covid/
https://protectmb.ca/booster/?utm_source=SM1&utm_campaign=en3&utm_id=MBbooster
Get your booster because reasons.
Even they’re being careful. “May” being the key word.
About those 270 scientists who signed the letter condemning Joe Rogan….
https://dossier.substack.com/p/270-doctors-called-out-joe-rogan
Here is a quote though you probably already guessed it:
“‘270 doctors’ called out Joe Rogan, but the authors of the letter and the vast majority of its signatories are not medical doctors
Only a handful are practicing physicians.”
I am against calling anyone a doctor who is not practicing medicine, i.e. dealing with patients. Not Tony (made man) Fauci nor Bonnie Mengele both of whom have the MD parchment.
There’ll no doubt be some Doctors of Gender studies and PhD credentialed race hustlers in that lot.
And you can add some climate change fanatics thinking it would be swell to thin the herd a few billion. One of them is from Calgary and donated a large sum of money to the NDP and just recently attended the climate summit the same one Black face Von Stupid went to in Europe..
Hooda thunk it?
A deep dive into all the signatories is in order, I’d say, then Rogan can call the ones who are in bed with Big Pharma or the Dims to be interviewed on his show.
You have to wonder if the first wrong assumption is that the health care system exists to keep people healthy or even alive.
The opposite paradigm looks just as valid at this point.
They are out to kill as many of us as possible. I figured that out quite a while ago.
Well a big help would be if doctors go back to NOT pissing all over their Hippocratic oath.
The Kanadian health care system is to make senior civil servants and public union heads extremely wealthy. Nothing else.
The issue with the jabbed/unjabbed data is that, while jabbed folks can neatly be categorized as 1/2/3 jabs with a time stamp on the 666 mark, unjabbed folks fall on categories that are not being captured by the statistics, such as:
(1) those who cannot take the injections at all for pharmacological reasons;
(2) those who will not take them and don’t use any prophylactic measures;
(3) those who will not take them and DO use prophylactic measures.
Other categories may exist, of course. Nevertheless, if we accept the fact that prophylactic measures (IVM, quercitin, Zn, a good vitamin D titre and so on) might have a positive impact on the course of the disease, then collecting that kind of data would be very helpful.
If their goal was public health, they would do so, and also not ban HCQ and Ivermectin.
Clearly, public health is not the goal, it is, rather, a pretext.
(4) those who have had CoVid and have natural immunity
Yep. But I think that’s a small sliver, because many had it and jabbed anyway. But it is a good category.
(5) those jabbed within two weeks, but counted as unvax.
Somebody give Allan S the hot lead vaccine he’s been pining for.
My hypothesis. on talking to seniors, is that they got dpuble vaxed and the booster and they STILL believe than once you have that you can’t GET or spread covidi so drop their gaurd.After all if you’r immune then why be careful
The devil is in the details. I looked at the spreadsheet linked on McIntyres twitter post. There is no qualifying data to breakdown the hospitalization numbers. Is the individual in hospital presenting covid symptoms, or is the individual in hospital for some other reason not related to covid, is asymptomatic or presenting minor covid symptoms but is there for other reasons.
This data is important. Sure guys like McIntyre can tease out general observations like the effectiveness for the vax in the older full vaxxed groups but without the full data, it dances around the true effectiveness of the vaccines.
Ontario modified there release of data to show who was in hospital due to covid, and who was not but tested positive and voila, just like that hospitalizations due to covid dropped by 50%.
Its good for fear porn though as it inflates covid hospitalization numbers, as I suspect is the reason for Quebec not to add a column in that spreadsheet.
McIntyre: “9/ there’s an interesting detail in Quebec new hospitalization data in two panels below: the increase in new hosps among fully vax in these two senior agegroups appears to lead (not lag) the subsequent increase among unvax.”
Is the increase in “unvax” hosps actually the two week window
for adverse side effects of vaccination?
As covid cases increase, there is increased pressure on the remaining unvaxed to get the jab, some of whom will end up in the hospital.
You kind of wonder if the elderly are dying from Covid or from the shots themselves or from a lowered immunity from the constant poking of boosters. It won’t be long before everyone is walking around with IV stands hooked up to a steady flow of that crap. Sounds a bit like the model that Insys used to pump their fentanyl spray through doctors writing prescriptions and steadily increasing the dose.
This stuff is crap……and that is even without knowing what the medium to long term effects are. The stuff is still experimental and the only difference is that it is being used on an unsuspecting world population and not in humanized mice.
Raw numbers show a different story. People are still not dropping dead everywhere. The IFR is still .26% and the shots are killing people.
Same thing in Ontario, although they aren’t publicizing it.
Yes, this is official Ontario government data, though:
https://mapper.kflaphi.ca/respmapper/analysis/ontario-charts
Inpatient admissions for pneumonia/ILI (absolute counts) to participating ACES hospitals
Lets look at January 4, 2020, i.e., “pre”-COVID:
0 to 4: 112
5 to 17: 30
18 to 64: 285
65+: 825
And January 15th, 2022 (you know…the Really Bad Times):
0 to 4: 14
5 to 17: 2
18 to 64: 201
65+: 551
The honestly think nobody is watching…