57 Replies to “Meet The New Hitler, Worse Than The Old Hitler”

  1. Radical leftists are totalitarians – not fascists.
    https://www.wordnik.com/words/totalitarian
    ” A system of government where the people have virtually no authority and the state wields absolute control of every aspect of the country, socially, financially and politically.”

    Trump is a wannabe fascist:
    https://www.wordnik.com/words/fascism
    A system of government marked by centralization of authority under a dictator, a capitalist economy subject to stringent governmental controls, violent suppression of the opposition, and typically a policy of belligerent nationalism and racism.

    Trump’s endless demands for loyalty to him first before any duty to the law, constitution or the country is text book behavior from a wannbe dictator. The bogus election fraud claims are also text book behavior from fascists seeking to overturn a democracy and centralize power in the dictator.

    Fortunately, the US system is extremely resistant to take over by a wannbe fascist like Trump (the fact that he is completely incompetent helped a lot). However, it worrying that so many GOP politicians adopting Trump’s tactics since many of them are not hopelessly incompetent.

    1. Better squeegee up the drool there, Tim.

      Arguing that the written constitution should be followed is what Trump is doing. The “living document” re-interpretation where governors and secretaries of state get to decide the electors instead of the state legislatures, without oversight or invigilation, is 3rd world dictatorship rules.

      You really like to turn things upside down, don’t you?

      1. “Arguing that the written constitution should be followed is what Trump is doing.”

        Every wannabe dictator plays lip service to the constitution as a way to justify their power grab. That does not mean it has any connection with reality. Basically, Trump’s “constitutional” argument is that votes from eligible electors should be tossed out if there are any issues with the process that Trump can use as an excuse to toss out those votes. This is a classic wannabe fascist dictator move designed to undermine the democratic foundations of one person one vote.

        Of course, Trump is not only trying to stay in power by tossing out legal votes cast for Democrats. He is also pissing all over the co-equal branches of government with his endless threats against GOP congressmen who do not show enough loyalty to him personally. The US founding fathers would be disgusted with Trump and greatly saddened that their system designed to prevent the emergence of a wannbe king like Trump is a lot weaker than they thought.

        1. liar. Basically, Trump’s “constitutional” argument is that votes from eligible electors should be tossed out if there are any issues with the process that Trump can use as an excuse to toss out those votes. is not what he was saying. Removing illegal and ineligible votes is the opposite of what you’ve said.

          Or do you really think that there are multiple people who actually have the name “Unknown Voter”? Because there were multiple votes cast for that name.

          1. “Or do you really think that there are multiple people who actually have the name “Unknown Voter”? Because there were multiple votes cast for that name.”

            Every unhinged claim by conspiracy nuts has been proven to be completely false. Why would this one be any different?

            Georgia did an audit of signatures and found that every one of the 15,000 sampled was cast by an eligible voter which only 2 found to have been improperly accepted by the election officials (and if they had caught the voter would have been allowed to fix the ballot so there is no reason to believe that it would not have ended up being counted).

            But Trump wants to toss all of those legal votes out because of of some arcane legal issues related to how the election rules were created. Such an argument is equivalent to pissing on the constitution – not honoring it.

            More importantly, the US legal tradition has well established a way to handle conflicts like this: the doctrine of laches which basically says that if there is a valid concern then it must be fixed before the next election. No one has the right to demand that legal ballots from past elections be tossed out because of arcane legal technicalities.

            If you don’t understand the doctrine of laches then you do not understand how the US legal system works and you cannot claim to standing up for any legal principle.

          2. C, there’s no point arguing witb or trying convince someone like Tim. People like him are completely oblivious to actual facts, truth, and reality.

          3. Fully agreed Mr. K. My responses are not for TimG, but for newcomer lurkers. Now that Tim has looped back to the audit-that-wasn’t in this thread (covered elsewhere to the point that only a fool would think it has any meaning) I think this thread is done.

            TimG apparently doesn’t recognize that The Battle of Athens (TN) set a precedent, as did the election of 1876.

      2. “Arguing that the written constitution should be followed is what Trump is doing.”

        Trump wants to put people in jail for exercising their constitutionally protected right to burn the US flag.

        “Nobody should be allowed to burn the American flag — if they do, there must be consequences — perhaps loss of citizenship or year in jail!”

        Donald Trump, Flag Burning, and the First Amendment
        https://www.fff.org/explore-freedom/article/donald-trump-flag-burning-and-the-first-amendment/

    4. Yes ! and as the Real Americans & Aware Canadian’s start to resist the false meme to increase CCP gambit to make ordinary average citizens in the next generation: the next level of China Virus corruption is starting to circulate through the ‘ Landing Sites of West Coast California & Oregon & the State of Washington*. So far the Canadian Population of Hong Kong & China emigration to British Columbia has limited the impact of CCP preparation. __ However the present iteration of the Trueauce Legacy has provided the alternative(s) through Arctic training of the CCP People’s Army in central Canada. __ This is being resisted by the English Language Culture citizens. – Cheers. Mike Sr.

    5. Yeah bro! Preach it! Drumpf is Hitler 2.0! Remember how he sent the tanks in to the streets this summer after the worst riots in a half century?

      …Oh, right. Moron.

      1. The real question here is, does the guy actually knows and thinks whereof he writes about.
        Obviously, not.
        He is here to raise hell.
        It would seem that he is failing.
        Just a glance over his bullshit where he throw all the dictator, Hitler and other such is pretty much opposite of what Trump is doing and very much an actual fact of what he and his fellow socialists/fascists travelers are doing.

        To properly apply the guy’s screeds is to see it as a cover for his favored activity, not unlike certain Swalwell falsely accusing Trump of the exact thing that Swalwell was doing.

        This is genuine socialism/fascism, not unlike the national socialists accusing their fellows communists from burning down the Reichstag.

        1. Fully agreed. I don’t like to let TimG’s drivel go unchallenged because of the large reach of our lady hostess’ site. One never knows when a newcomer might see what could be a reasonable question (to a newcomer who knows naught of the backstory) go unanswered.

          I want them to see Tim in all of his unhinged glory, all the time. He might not be the emperor, but I sure wish he’d put on some boxers!

    6. Exactly. An illiterate diaper wearing reality tv star managed to incite possibly millions of radicals into fantasizing about civil war to subvert a democratic election; imagine what an intelligent person could achieve with similar tactics.

      The only comfort is possibly that Trump is the extremely special sort of delusional narciccist who actually genuinely believes many of his lies. I think this is actually a huge factor in his success and its something very hard for an intelligent person to imitate.

      1. These people aren’t ‘radicals’. They’re too stupid to be radical. They’re just nihilists with an axe to grind and a dire need for validation.

        1. I mean, even if 99.9% won’t go through with it, if your ideology includes shooting people because your boy lost an election then you’re absolutely a radical.

          1. I’d say they’re more ‘extremist’ than radical. “Radicals” have ideology. These people are too stupid for ideology.

    7. TimG stop spewing nonsense. Trump is a freedom loving capitalist. He’s centralizing nothing. Instead he’s unbound business from thousands of stupid overbearing activity killing regulations. Something NO fascist or communist would be capable of doing.

      1. ” Instead he’s unbound business from thousands of stupid overbearing activity killing regulations.”

        Any and all gains from which were vastly outweighed by the tariffs, other investment barriers, dollar depreciation, and restrictions on immigration. That’s why the US economy got limper and limper as Trump’s reign of error went on.

        1. Are you really that stupid? Covid lockdowns tanked demand and killed jobs. The economy was never stronger pre-Covid.

          1. ” The economy was never stronger pre-Covid.”

            Flat wrong. Economic growth in 2017 was maybe a sliver better than 2016 (still not very good) then got worse in 2018 and deteriorated further in 2019. There was no ‘Trump boom’ and there was never going to be one.

          2. Record energy production, record unemployment across pretty much all demographics, record stock market valuation, the return of a million high paying manufacturing jobs, the highest wage growth in many years, cheap gasoline at the pumps, etc., etc. Your definition of a “sliver” is laughable.

          3. Those are all results of trends that pre-existed Trump’s reign. Causation is not correlation. GDP growth got worse from 2018 on. Business investment started falling in 2019.

          4. UnMe that’s a lie. Even dimbulb Biden would call you a dog faced pony soldier. The facts all support Trump’s actions as the foundation of the huge economic boom. Had Obama’s policies been continued the U.S. economy would be following the EU (which Obama was mirroring) down the outhouse hole. In the 2 years prior to this crappy lockdown year Trump’s economy outpaced the EU by 2.6% to 2.0%. During the 1st 3 quarters of 2020 Trump’s economy has basically snapped back to where it started where the EU’s still down 7%. Trump’s pro-biz policies are the key to economic prosperity not the leftwing endless regulatory hell that’s infected Canada and the countries that make up the now Britain-less EU.

          5. “The facts all support Trump’s actions as the foundation of the huge economic boom. ”

            No they don’t and that’s why you don’t bring any to the table.

            Like I said: reduced business investment: https://www.reuters.com/article/us-usa-economy/u-s-business-investment-downturn-could-pressure-slowing-economy-idUSKBN1WB1PV

            That’s what happens when you pummel your economy with trade and immigration restrictions. Canada didn’t and it’s doing very slightly better.

          6. The Reuters story looks like the Left using the tough trade negotiating environment between China and the U.S. as an excuse to blame policies that have nothing to do with the data the story references. U.S. GDP growth at the time the article was written was also a full percent higher than the EU’s and that’s the GDP for the WHOLE U.S. including those anti-capitalist Dem-run huge unfunded liability catastrophes like the states of CA, NY, IL, NJ, MA, etc. that are skewing the GDP of other states that are open for business. Canada’s doing better than the U.S.? Definitely not Alberta where business activity is now consolidating failing companies and hundreds of thousands of skilled energy industry workers have been forced out of work. You think opening the door to immigration will solve a toxic anti-capitalist business environment? Care to explain how that works? Where do such immigrants find jobs to support themselves when so many “here first” citizens have been sidelined? You logic works like a two legged horse.

    8. Fascists view history, events and policy through the lens of identity, empowered by hatred of an outgroup, like white men.
      Fascism is a collectivist and thus totalitarian ideology that denies the supremacy of the individual and gathers political power.
      Its differences with socialism are but distinctions without a difference, like ownership of the factors of production.
      DeMarxist radical socialists are demonstrable fascists, as noted above. Yes oh yes Virginia, you can be both.
      Only political marrons split that hair, usually fueled by a somehow personal gripe, in DimG’c case, TDS illogic and malice.
      Individualism. Statism (which ultimately leads to), Collectivism (which after inevitable collapse becomes), Anarchism.
      Try to keep up. The latter three have done nothing to aid US and Western liberty, prosperity and economic security.
      Yet they claim to be its masters. Utter dribble from you didn’t build that and we’re part of government dummycrats.

      1. ““So look. All I want to do is this. I just want to find 11,780 votes, which is one more than we have. Because we won the state,”

        This is sedition.”

        Oh, wow.

        You know that old saying that goes, “If it looks too good to be true, it probably is”? You should keep that in mind whenever you read something like this about Donald Trump, especially from the laughably left-wing sources you seem to favor.

        Go here:

        https://thenationalpulse.com/analysis/trump-call-actually-reveals-detail/

        …and read the ENTIRE transcript, not just the out-of-context snippets that the usual left-wing sources are desperately trying to sell as being true. You’ll find an entirely different conversation, with Trump reiterating all the evidence they have so far, all the obstructionism, stonewalling and refusal to turn over evidence, grant access to auditors or cooperate *in any way* that Georgia has offered in place of actual cooperation. Then there are strong hints that the Trump team has even more concrete evidence to be released on Wednesday. In short, Donald Trump is offering Brad Raffensperger *every opportunity* to do this the easy way. He’s offering him a way out. A way to avoid not only embarrassment but possible PROSECUTION. Raffensperger is just too stupid (or is it arrogant?) to take it.

        Do some research before you embarrass yourself, next time…you’re so damn gullible…

  2. Your realization that leftists are totalitarian and not fascists is accurate. However you go off the rails with the bullshit about Trump. It has been amazing the intellectual contortions people go through to try and make Trump into something he isn’t nor ever was. The word stupid is most appropriate. By the way fascists can be totalitarian as well.

    1. Fascists have to be totalitarian in order for their plans to “work”. Everything is within the state, nothing is outside of the state. The government mandated crony-capitalism cannot exist in a free economy. Never forget that when a Communist is crying about how right-wing the Fascists were, that the Fascists have always been devout anti-capitalists. Different flavours of Socialism (national/international) are still Socialist.

      1. That’s why they hate each other so much, they are rivals peddling the same lies, competing to prey on the same herd of victims.

        Can’t tell without spending time with him in person whether TimG is one of the “useful idiots” who has fallen for it or one of the predators pretending.

  3. Thomas Sowell’s political sliding scale is so simple yet twisted all the time particularly by the media.

    On the right wing is the rights of the individual, on the extreme right is anarchy supporting no form of government. On the left is the power of the state with finally total control as in totalitarianism. Fascism, communism, socialism etc. are all forms of leftist control. Seems very straight forward.

    1. Exactly. Fascism and communism are both forms of state control. As such they are ‘left’ on the scale.

    2. It’s a three-dimensional function, though some argue anarchism is on the linear left of its anarchic cousin, communism.

      That point is meaningless. The fact is no authoritarian state ever makes it to communism, the dictatorship of the proletariat never whithers away, instead it gathers strength and breadth, existing to sustain itself, iow power.

      But your point remains. Plotting that function – economic, social and political liberty- would yield some illuminating results.
      Anarchy is what happens when collectivism causes the breakdown of society, not their left/right positioning; largely irrelevant.
      Political labels they give themselves change nothing. Whining Hitler was a fascist is intellectual sloth. Collectivist is collectivist.

  4. TimG- as everyone – and I mean everyone – has been outlining, your comments are inaccurate and illogical.

    As others have said – you can be a totalitarian and also a fascist governance – and – your definition of fascism is totally incorrect.
    First – totalitarianism is a dictatorship. But so is fascism. So? Fascism is a totalitarianism that is focused around the primacy of an identifiable group [can be ‘race’, religion, ethnicity’ ]- and this group has rights and duties above any individual rights and duties. Individuals, indeed, are deemed harmful to the integrity of the group. All aspects of the economy are focused around the success of the ‘primal group’. It is a centralist governance, with full control over all local issues – ie, divergence from the ‘unity-of-the-primal-group’ is not allowed.

    Is it capitalist? Absolutely not, since genuine capitalism is focused around the freedom of the individual and their establishment of private businesses – and fascism rejects the free individual and private businesses. Fascism, simply because it hasn’t nationalized industries, as does communism, is not genuine capitalism. Instead, it ‘allows’ certain so-called private industries – defined as such because they are not state owned- but these are strictly controlled by the State. It’s not genuine capitalism.

    As for Trump – there is no evidence – and I think evidence still matters, don’t you? – that he is ‘racist’. I’d say he is totally indifferent to race, religious differences, etc. As he has constantly said – and shown – his focus is on all Americans. Nor has he advocated any violence against dissenters, unlike the antifa groups of the left, unlike the BLM groups of the left. So- what’s your evidence.

    His focus, as others have said, is the Constitution and following its rules, and the strengthening of the economic capacity of individual citizens in America. What’s wrong with that? That’s his sworn duty.

    So- your claim that Trump is a fascist is totally, absolutely – your own false narrative. Next time, try for accurate definitions and objective, empirical evidence.

    4. For clarification, ET, I thought that Mussolini was a Fascist with nationalist leanings? Didn’t he say that Socialism could work for Italy only if Italians ran it? To me, this isn’t a racist or ethnic argument, but a nationalist one. Hitler, of course, went the full racists/ethnic route, but he’s not important to the current discussion.

      Am I misunderstanding?

      1. C_Miner – yes, I have Mussolini’s 1932 definition of fascism in front of me – and he does consider that fascism is “the complete opposite of Marxian Socialism” – which he saw as merely an economic ideology. Mussolini saw fascism as an emotional ideology – based on the ‘heroic man’..engaged in struggle and conquest, a warrior focused on ‘the expansion of the nation’; the ‘growth of empire and imperialism’.

        And yes, he doesn’t focus on a racial or religious or ethnic identity of Italians – but- ‘the people of Italy’. But this is still a group homogeneous definition; ie, the focus is against the individual, and about the primacy of the State, with the individual subsumed and embedded in the State, which is almost an organic living entity.
        And it’s this organic living entity that is the ‘root’ of fascism – you are a part of this organic ‘thing, the State; you fight for it; you are its means of living. The State-is-All.

        He writes about the individual that this person is “deprived of all useless and possibly harmful freedom, but retains what is essential; the deciding power in this question cannot be the individual but the State alone”. Therefore, of course he rejects democracy – which he sees as a ‘mechanical process such as universal suffrage’; and ‘collective irresponsibility”. Rejects peace, rejects the goal of happiness [ a clear repudiation of the American Declaration and Constitution with its focus on the equality of all and individual rights of ‘life, liberty and the pursuit of happiness’.

        Mussolini considers socialism, with its focus on ‘material production’, as somehow beneath contempt. His fascism is, one might say, pure romanticism. The Heroic Warrior, fighting for his State – because Mussolini’s fascism is always based around The State at War. It’s the stuff of Video Games, of Action Movies – at least, it would be, if it were only confined to these ‘literary means’….but..when fascism is actually moved into the governing ideology of a people – that’s astonishing. The Warrior State. And of course, it is totalitarian; it has to be, since the individual disappears into the duties of The State.

        1. Ugh. The Fascist “superman”. The one that can do no wrong, because they’re working in the best interest of the state. “The ends justify the means”, “If you give power without oversight to the right people, you’ll get good results” and all of the other cliches within which Hollywood delights. Paging Lord Acton…

          Thanks for the clarification. It really provides a framework for “everything within the state, nothing outside of the state”. I had realized that Mussolini didn’t live in the same world as the rest of us, but I wouldn’t have thought him an idealist/romantic of that sort.

          I live and work in the mechanical universe, so posts like your original can often be Greek to me. But I do like to learn! I try to view explanations like your exposition above (the response) like I do many of Dr. Peterson’s articles – it’s less important that I can fully understand them than that someone whose worldview I recognize and trust can understand them. Even so, there are the odd bits that work their way into my cranium, for which I am grateful.

          Please continue to post. I won’t promise that I’ll agree with (or understand) everything, but the more disparate viewpoints brought to the table by reasonable people that are spoken in good faith will make all of our understandings much more concrete.

          1. I forgot to include and ask whether it’s correct that that implies another difference between Communism and Fascism, that Communism says there is no god or viable religion (seeking to use science as the replacement) while Fascism says that through the state, Man can become god (or alternately, god is the perfect citizen within The State).

            I re-wrote this a half-dozen times. This version leaves out a lot, but tries to not obfuscate the question.

    5. “As for Trump – there is no evidence – and I think evidence still matters, don’t you? – that he is ‘racist’”

      He literally said that a judge should not oversee a case against him because he’s Mexican. Trump’s a racist and you’re a longwinded liar.

      1. Close, but it was because the judge was an active member of a latino-supremacist group. When the judge is a racist, then one can expect the results to be racist.

          1. Good Lord, you’re quoting CNN as an authoritative source?

            That’s the funniest thing I’ve seen this year!

            By the way, how is your search for the black voters that wouldn’t vote for Obama but did vote for Biden going? Remember, you’re the one who believes that Biden got all those extra votes (up to 300% turnout in some counties) and that that’s why he won.

  5. I would say that communism rejects god or a metaphysical and emotional bonding religion – but I’m not sure that it seeks to use science as the replacement.

    I like your concept that ‘god is the perfect citizen within The State’. That seems to me to define the deep emotional commitment to The State that fascism requires; the sense that The State is a living organism, mightier and more important than the Individual-Who-Serves-The State. Frankly – I would consider the Antifa and BLM groups as quite clearly, followers of fascism with their focus on violence, emotionalism and group identities. In a sense, God is the Will of the Organic State..and the people living in this Fascist State are its faithful believers and agents.

    As for communism, its base [ self-defined] was supposedly the ‘rational economic intellectual’ concerned with an ‘equitable distribution’ of goods and services. This denies the emotional belief in a supreme metaphysical God. I won’t go into it – but this economic mode is impossible in a ‘growth economy'[increasing population and need for more goods/services] which must be ‘far-from-equilibrium’ or with many levels of production and use and ‘unequals’ in order to achieve economic growth.

    So- what takes the place of god in communism? – since I’m taking-for-granted that a belief in a basic agenda to life is innate to the human condition. For Marx, of course, religion was ‘the opium of the masses’ – which reveals his focus on intellectualism. He considered that one could do away with religion when mankind becomes purely rational. Indeed, work is downplayed and the focus, the Communist Heaven, is the Final State where the predetermined path-of-history comes to its final utopian conclusion where ‘all are equal’ and etc.

    1. Some Greek, but mostly understandable from my different perception (and mostly in line with how I had thought you were phrasing the previous).

      Thanks again!

  6. Correctly identifying Hawley as a fascist =/= ‘strange new respect for Trump’, delusions of PJ media Instapundit or whatever aside.

    Oh and you’ve been claiming time’s up on the ‘legacy media’ for years now. It’s not happening.

  7. I think UnMe feels like IT is always the last kid to be picked when sides are chosen on the playground.
    And ET and C_Miner are the captains.

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