A highly credible new leader has stepped forward to lead the Wexit movement. For Canadian federalists, like me, it’s bad news; for Western separatists it’s great news.
Jay Hill, the former whip and House leader in Stephen Harper’s federal Conservative government, has taken the reins of the Wexit movement — a fledgling entity that aims for Western Canada to separate from Canada.
In an understated announcement made on the Wexit Canada Facebook page Tuesday at 5 p.m., Hill was declared the new interim leader, taking over from Peter Downing. So why is this 67-year-old former Reform party MP launching this seemingly impossible task?
“Simply, in one sentence, I’m doing this for my grandchildren,” says Hill, who has three preschool-aged grandkids.
“It’s that simple. I’ve thought long and hard about this. With my background, I think people understand that I gave close to 20 years of my life to federal politics. I followed Preston Manning — the West Wants In.”
Now, however, Hill says the West Wants Out.
“I gave some of the best years of my working life to the service of my constituents and my country, and I came to the realization over the last while that things are never going to change. So, really, it’s just another extension of that definition of insanity — doing the same thing over and over again and hoping for a different result,” says Hill, who was the member of Parliament for the riding of Prince George-Peace River from 1993 until his retirement in 2010, when he settled in Calgary with his wife, Leah.
“Western Canada is never gonna get a fair shake from the rest of Canada. Confederation does not work. It cannot work. It is not structured to work.
“Those in the golden triangle of Quebec, Toronto, Ottawa, they don’t care about the West except as a cash cow to feed Quebec and the Maritimes,” said Hill.
He says he knows Wexit is a difficult task, but he was there at the beginning of Reform and knows how to rally people behind a cause.
“I’m not naive,” said Hill. “This is going to be a difficult task, but I’m gonna put some effort into this along with other credible, like-minded people and hopefully we can convince the majority of westerners that they would be better off forming their own nation.”
Case in Point – I must have missed the announcement to assist the tourism industry in Western Canada. My bad.
I still think there are far to many immigrants to ever succeed. The west has changed in my lifetime. No longer enough “Canadians”. Billy Joe Betty Bob from the middle east does not give a damn about Canada.
You wrong old dude The Independence Movement is very strong. Kenney can not keep a handle on it. Jay Hill is a scrapper and very organized. He is an Old He Coon, Trudeau will put out his hand and pull back a stump The CPC party is a dead man walking in the west They just lost more than Trudeau. This going to be epic.
“…put out his hand and pull back a stump.”
Best thing I’ve read on the internet all week! Perfect.
This is indeed what western separation needs as I’ve been saying for years now: A credible leader and keep the crackpots and racists (actual racists not the woke definition) out. Looks like I’ve found a good home for all future political donations.
Also…it would be nice if we could use a less annoying term than wexit. 🙂
I would not be surprised to see Kenney gone before long. and maybe even some of his UCP MLA;s jump ship. Or CPC MP’s jump ship. This could go like a Prairie grass fire.
“…..and keep the crackpots and racists (actual racists not the woke definition) out.”
Yea, like like people who stereo type Albertan’s maybe?
Alberta has the 3rd highest visible minority rate in the Country at 18.39% (20011) behind Ontario & BC. Maybe Albertan’s should be calling the rest of Canada Racists, “real ones”.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Demographics_of_Canada
Calgary visible minority population at 36.2% (2016), Edmonton 37.1% (2016) visible minority.
These people will also vote and be apart of WEXIT if it ever happened.
… a less annoying term than wexit.
Westward? Westing?
Old White Guy is correct. How do you explain Alberta, in recent years, voted in an NDP provincial government. Calgary has a Muslim mayor. None of that would have happened 40 years ago. Many assholes moved west for the job opps. They continue to vote left.
Also the educational industry was also subject to the same brain wash tactics as the rest of Canada … thousands of western Canadian students graduate with a major or minor in wokeness.
The West is not what is once was … it was once great. I live in Alberta for 14 years 81 to 95. it was still pretty good back then. Now I am retired on woke Vancouver Island where there are no elected conservatives any level whatsoever and never will be.
I worked though out the west for many years starting in 1966. With a couple of different jobs, everything from labour in a pulp mill in B C, to being a national manager for a North American company and working in every province in the country. I do not see the level of independent free thought necessary to create a new free physical entity within Canada. The extreme violence that will be necessary to crush the socialist/communist control here in Canada and the U.S. is repugnant to the average citizen, and because of that we will ultimately give up and give in. We are losing and continue to do so. I fortunately will not have to experience the slavery that will be the result. By the way, there is more than one form of slavery.
Agreed, the West has been a destination of choice for new Canadians. They didn’t come to Buffalo, they came to Canada.
In Calgary, the demographic shift is obvious.
You talk big about fighting and destroying your enemies, yet the enemy body count attributable to you is zero. Same for me. How about that?
And Fitch downgrades Canada to AA+ …… i want a new country
With our departure, what remains of Canada will be downgraded to Zimbabwe level.
I am still of the mindset that when we leave, we take ALL of Canada’s debt on two conditions; 1) All of BC except for the lower mainland and Vancouver Island come with us and 2) the debt remains denominated in Canadian Dollars. The subsequent collapse of the Canadian economy and currency will mean we can pay the debt off in about 3 days.
I live on Van-isle and I want in to wexit. Don’t believe the Island is left. When there is no real conservative running in any election you get what Cuba gets one party rule ie Libs, Dippers = libs in a hurry, greens = dips on steroid’s. They all have the same stink but that’s all thats there to vote for. The CPC are the same as the libs. So please don’t rule us out. Ynot (my name backwards) in Chemainus, Van-isle.
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Except for Victoria and a few pockets of union shitheads who still think that the NDP still represents them, most of the Island is pretty conservative.
Not to mention that Van Isle remaining part of a broken Eastern Canada really wouldn’t be an option.
I meant no offence. Just an observation of the politics that seems to come from the Island. I had an Aunt who lived in Duncan. Absolutely loved going out there as a kid. Would prefer not to use a passport to visit there again!
In my humble opinion, anyone who believes in real freedom; the freedom of speech, the freedom to worship (or not) as one chooses, the freedom to quietly enjoy their personal property, those that believe in the rule of law and the equality of ALL before the law, those that believe in fairness and treating others with dignity, please join us! Let us move together to realize this dream!
(I am still convinced that the Canadian Dollar aka Northern Peso will be worth less than a kleenex after our departure)
Hey Ynot, I’m in BC as well, and I want out too, I’m just across the water from Comox, and I agree that it should be the whole West, not a border at the Alberta BC boundary! However, the lower mainland and greater Victoria are dyed in the wool Lib/NDP/small green! How the heck do we deal with that problem. I know there is a whole bunch of us that would agree and join a drive to freedom with a new country, but I also think there are way to many more head in the sand, fingers in the ears, screaming wa la la, as loud as they possibly can! Yes I would work for, donate to, and speak up for, Western separation, but lower BC will be a big thorn in the side of any separation movement! I guess we could move, but I’m getting way long in the tooth… (OK, I no longer have any real teeth) to pull up stakes and move to Alberta, but if that is what is needed, then I will. I’ll just need to buy some winter woolly’s, If you have any ideas or thoughts as to how we deal with this problem in BC, I would love to hear it!
Gerry I don’t believe all in Van or Vic are died in the wool commies. Socialists, globalists, progressivists, libs or lower are all communists to me. So after the referendum we buy them a train ticket to eastern Ontario. Once on the train no stops until east of Superior.
Same here!
Hey Gerry K…most of us in the Okanagan want out, too. In fact, so does most of north Ontario etc.
Why don’t we just assign the old Canada as being the triangle of Ottawa, Toronto and Montreal….period.
As for the maritime…go fish.
I’m out in BC too… cloward piven style third world immigration, Queerbek colonialism, and worst of all Government corruption at all levels of Government, Federal, Municipal and Provincial has transformed this Province into a globalist basket case of divided tribes and special interests. Globalist driven “high density” is an out of control problem that has corrupt politicians at the Municipal and Provincial levels selling off the Province to foreign interests faster than you can say, Li Ki Shing. The Lower Mainland is largely transient population that outnumber British Columbians by a 60 vs 40 ratio. However, BC is divisible, just like Peeairs Canada is divisible. Will BC remain a rudderless and corrupt colony of Queerbek and Ontariowe, probably, for the time being, but the future for large parts of BC is either part of a new western country or an American takeover… I would welcome anything other than the status quo of the morally and ethically corrupt Post National State of Turdholeland. #WEXIT !!! Lets roll!!!
Do not leave out the lower mainland. I live here and the Wexit plan desperately needs a coast and ports to get trade moving. Yes, I know that the children of hippies who moved here have very odd views, but, at least 28% of us are core conservatives. Do not write us all off. We are Only here for the mild climate.
Maybe a two-step process. Create Wexit without us first. Then the gen xy children here will realize that we need to be in with the West, not tie our fate to remote Ottawa. The immigrants will be the first to get it. As as descendant of pioneer Albertans and Saskatchewan’s (Ontario refugees), I support Wexit.
I NEED a new country!
I agree the time is now for this, get a referendum set up and with 50% + 1 vote, it’s done (just like the Quebec vote many years back).
It’s never going to get better and there really is no Canada anymore.
50% plus 1 and the declaration of independence comes that night. Then we start to negotiate settlement with independence as a fait accompli. Make sure you get all those Mounties out first and create large provincial police reserves.
Don’t need a referendum. The smart move would be to run an election on separation after trying for 6 months to negotiate a real deal with ROC. Win the election and then if no deal is struck with ROC within 6 months simply invoke a Unilateral Declaration of Independence (UDI). The new State would need only one country to recognize it — the US. After the US recognizes then other countries would fall in line. Win the election and leave all within 6 months. That would minimize the negative economic fall out.
I have always believed that we would have leverage over the UK when it came to whether we would become a republic, or remain a constitutional monarchy. Obviously we would have to be recognized by our own head of state, so if the monarchy wants to maintain its status ( could lose Australia soon if they are not careful ), then they would want to remain our head of state and thus recognize independence. If the monarchy recognizes our independence, they defacto Canada recognizes it, and it is a done deal.
Excellent news. Thanks to Jay Hill for stepping in to the arena.
Marc, I agree. There has been too many conservatives wimping out, everywhere. It is a refreshing change to see Jay Hill stepping up to help Westetn Canada. His heading up the Wexit Party is a big deal.
The key point is that it is like leaving an abusive relationship. The fear of the unknown can, and usually does, overpower the need to get out.
Ha…I’ve never worried about leaving a crazy, greedy bitch in the rear view. Foot on the gas, fill the cooler with beer . Let’s go!
Sign me up
Whether it takes a year or two, a decade or two or a generation or two, western separation is the ONLY alternative. Western separation will include 4 provinces and two territories. Anyone who thinks that borders are not fluid is hopelessly naive.
Think BIG!
Do you think Northern British Columbia wants to be a half forgotten plaything of Vancouver? Imagine having your own Pacific access?
How many disaffected people live to your North and East also?
You’ll know how frightened the Eastern intelligencia is when the racist, sexist, homophobe accusations start flying.
I look forward to the patronizing comments and editorials. “Stupid little westerners you can’t run a pension plan, let alone negotiate a trade deal”.
No doubt the British thought the same thing just before the Boston Tea Party.
Should this happen soon enough, there may be one more move left for this old man.
Good for Hill. He sounds like a committed leader. I think he will breathe new life into Wexit. Canada’s overall treatment of Western Canada is unconscionable. Many Westerners still do not understand the problem.
If you want to know what Eesterners think of Alberta, check the letters in the June issue of The Walrus. (Sorry, no link, but if I have time I will type it in — bunch of self- centred red necks is the gist.) This is one of Canada’s premier cultural magazines.) They would not dare publish something so nasty about Quebec or any other group.
“The Walrus” Canada’s Non-Conversation. No one cares what they think.
Quebec is toxic to the ROCanaduh!.. We have to get away from them. They have brought nothing but destruction to this country.
If all the Alta. MP’s went wexit, would we have a wexit party in HOC?
I’m in.
Jay is a man.
I wonder if he recognizes that the Liberals want us gone.
At least that is the only rational explanation for Ottawa’s behaviour of the last 6 years.
For if Ottawa was not pushing Separation,what would they do or have done differently?
Harper’s betrayal of the West and the amazing lack of performance by the Con’s in 2015,would also imply that the Con’s want us gone as well.
As does Peter McKay
The Con’s purge of the Reform members was also a clear marker.
After all if you were looking for a truly servile populace,only the back country and Western Plains seem to provide any difficulty,the rest obey/vote on demand.
Free Stuff.
Think about this,if 65% of Canadians vote for Gimmee Gimmee More Bigger Government and they do.That implies the Western Voter are real outliers.
Also that Writer of the article starts out ;
“A highly credible new leader has stepped forward to lead the Wexit movement. For Canadian federalists, like me, it’s bad news; for Western separatists it’s great news.”
Now as a “Canadian Federalist”,has she ever made a coherent case for Confederated Canada’s continuation?
Cause I did not see it,if such exists.
Or is she depending on the emotional vote?
Those who have previously commented as to how “We lack a leader” miss the strength of Western Alienation,when enough people are irritated and feeling stepped on,leadership will arise.
Jay Hill is genuine in a way that Jason Kenny will never understand.
Great News,this will set our pearl clutching elites hair on fire,start the rumours now..Massive down sizing of National Bureaus,coming on Independence day..No future for Professional Parasites.
Why things are going to be so bad,that only civil servants who move East Now,will save their careers and pensions..
Everything will be privatized.
Run, before the Rednecks ruin you…
A few rounds of such rumblings,will do wonders for emptying Edmonton and Calgary of the NDP and Liberal Voters.
Second ammend. policy would be nice
One should not assume the only supporters of separation will be conservatives. When we organized Reform there were a lot of NDP’ers who joined. There is a faction of fiscal conservatism within the NDP. Our riding was East Kootenay-Columbia so more than a few union jobs here.
I visited the Wexit web page and that was less than impressive. No matter we have to start somewhere. I will be donating to Jay Hill & Co.
I know a lifelong dipper who as an infant sat on Tommy Douglas’ knee, he is also in favour of wexit.
Many union members who always voted NDP as told have discovered that the party no longer makes a pretense of standing for them, as nationally they need the grievance mob and gang green votes.
I don’t assume wexit will be a conservative utopia, we will have to sort out the left/right urban/rural issues on our own, and I hope that the government of a free west will allow far more local autonomy. I just want us to be able to choose our own course without the eastern imperialists dictating otherwise.
https://donorbox.org/wexit-canada-memberships
Donation link.
Heh,heh,heh! Supposedly, as a senior, the Canadian government is going to direct deposit a top-up (I think it is $ 500) into my account during the week of July 6. Should that happen, I will be donating equally to Regina’s Salvation Army and to Wexit.
I love the idea of using graft from the Federal Liberal Party as a donation for Western Separation.
Just so you know, I had a hunting friend who was a Mech for Sally Anne,.. Staffers had first dibs(free) on donated items.. He had 4 tv’s etc.. This was years ago mind you. But I wouldn’t donate a used pisspot to them.
Joined.. thanks for the link
SIgning up. Volunteering and donating.
You cannot just mouth support for this. You need to be all in or STFU and GTFO.
It’s been 40 years since the National Energy Program started. Are we in yet?
How have negotiations gone so far?
Speaking as a kid from Ontario, born and raised, this Wexit thing sounds like a good idea.
Not because I’m in a rush to be rid of all y’all redneck Farmer John types (as moronic city dwellers imagine the west), but more because I think life will improve for me if the Unholy Triangle of Montreal, Toronto and Ottawa takes a huge kick in the nethers. Losing the oil, timber and grain of the West is a pretty big kick. Bigger than losing Quebec.
Reading only Kate’s comment, I find that what Mr. Hill said to ring very true for me. Except for one thing. He said: “…I came to the realization over the last while that things are never going to change.”
That is not true. Things -are- going to change. They are going to get worse. The glide-path this country is on is to fully embrace socialism in all its ugliest forms. Worse, we are being set up as a Chinese satellite state. Currently, all the money in Canada flows to Toronto. Pretty soon, its going to start flowing to Beijing.
Wexit is like taking a bat to their collective heads. At this point in history, a bat is required.
Phantom, well said , and I concur!
Bingo!
The west can take care of itself, all we need to do is drop the dead-weight of “Canada” whatever that is anymore.
Well said, besides I hope Wexit will lead to a collapse of Canada. Morontario supports the failed state of Chinada as long as West pays for Kebek. With Wexit, Morontario will have to pay for Kebek and that would be a whole new equation. We will likely go our own way as result. This can only be a good thing. Kebek is cancer and we’re all better on our own. Time for the modern day Austro Hungarian empire to collapse.
Western money is paying for Toronto’s TTC and Montreal’s transit too. The whole rest of Ontario is paying for the TTC, just like the West is. Toronto’s cushy socialism would collapse without that huge influx of cash from the whole country.
How do you fix something like that? Turn off the money tap. How do you access that tap when the government is corrupt?
Wexit. Civil disobedience on a grand scale. A scale so grand that entire provinces stop collecting federal sales tax. Entire provinces go ahead and build pipelines no matter what gets said in Ottawa. Whole cities eject the RCMP and form their own police forces.
I could get used to seeing headlines like that.
Careful there, couple of points:
1. Ontario has been a “have” province for the last two years (no more Provincial Libranos, no more payments from the Federal Libranos, funny how that worked out).
2. Transfer payments that go to the fifth column shithole of Kebek are two thirds of all transfer payments in Canada. It really is all about Kebek. The remaining one third is divided between the perpetual welfare cases of Maritimes (except Newfoundland) and Manitoba.
Kennedy was supposed to be the new shinning light. Look how that turned out. I’ll wait and see how Hill does.
Re tourism program: Er..thanks for the cash? Sincerely, from N.S.
I am an New Yorker and I think I understand Trump… It is not his self aggrandization or blatant bad manners that American voters see… It is that he expects results & is willing to risk his everything…Trump is ALL IN….
Western Canada may have its own Trump in a equally committed politician without the NY blather… Why NOT?
A separation from the Eastern chaos that follows the political arm of the WEST Coast of the USA… Toronto & Montreal will have their full on Rioting & Looting by next year….
Nothing to lose……Everything to GAIN….Take the door to WEXIT and try your own Canada…
JMHO
People people please take note …”Isn’t he concerned that, just like Reform did, forming a new federal small-c conservative party will split the vote again, ensuring more federal Liberal governments?”
If this is where Hill will take us…build another FEDERAL party, then this is all a CON.
What’s the definition of insanity? Doing the same
thing and expecting different results.
(CCF, NDP, So-Creds, Progressives, Reform) all western discontent “FEDERAL” parties.
Wexit could win every seat in Western Canada and it will not gain us a thing!
The pathway to Western Independence is through the western provincial legislatures.
They (federal WEXIT MP’s) could all shout in unison we are
getting out.
But Getting out can only be achieved when western Premiers push that agenda.
It is so seductive that federal party bait…please let’s
not get caught in the snare…again.
Agreed. If this movement tries to follow the same path as Reform then why even bother. Federal parties always end up shifting left. Always.
It has to happen at the provincial level. Federal politics do not matter.
You aren’t paying attention. The Bloc and the minority Liberals now control Canada. A party similar to the Bloc in the West will fundamentally change the entire equation.
“The Bloc and the minority Liberals now control Canada.”
And there won’t be an election until 2023. Why would the fascist Bloc want to risk having an Anglo PM. Also most of them are newly elected and need 6 years for a pension.
A pension Minus western input?..That would be an interesting proposition.
I believe he clearly said they would form their own nation..
Launching a federal “wexit” party is absurd and actually supports the concept of federalism. This will dilute resources, assets, talent and energy that should all be focused at the regional/”provincial” level. A federal party cannot initiate anything useful toward the goal of succession.
Sorry Ivbinconned,but where did this come from;
“People people please take note …”Isn’t he concerned that, just like Reform did, forming a new federal small-c conservative party will split the vote again, ensuring more federal Liberal governments?”.?
Jay quite clearly states he is shooting for a new Western Nation.
That Can Ahh Duh is done.
Why in hell would any of us care who rules the ruined remains?
The Liberals are the best choice,faster road to ruin.
So how do you assign to Jay Hill what appears to be the deluded “reasoning” of the reporter?
What will the West be called, Wexitonia?
I’m not in favour of Western separation but changes need to be made to the way this country operates. It can start with getting rid of Equalization.
I’m in favour of stirring things up to get serious attention.
Liz J – people who think like that meet the definition of insanity. Jay Hill said:
“I gave some of the best years of my working life to the service of my constituents and my country, and I came to the realization over the last while that things are never going to change. So, really, it’s just another extension of that definition of insanity — doing the same thing over and over again and hoping for a different result,”
Republic of North America?
The Athabasca Republic.
Maxime Bernier leader of the People’s Party of Canada epitomises my view of Canada. We don’t need another party. If you have left the CPC as I have then the PPC is the home for you.
You would put your fate in the hands of another Quebecer. Give your head a shake.
Bernier can not save Canada, by the time he builds a party that can have influence, Canada will be gone anyway.
I don’t look at this like leaving Canada, I look at it as grabbing the important things while evacuating a disaster, save what you can and move on. I personally want to save Rule of Law, Freedom of Speech, Personal Liberty.
I do think we should talk more about Rupertsland, technically Manitoba won the territory out to Thunder Bay in a Grey Cup bet, but Ontario did not honor the deal. Rupertsland consists of all land draining into Hudsons Bay, and was purchased by the Imperialist government of eastern Canada from the Hudsons Bay company. We have a claim on it, and it consists of areas that are sparsely populated and neglected by Ottawa. It makes a good starting point for negotiation, and the East would probably consider themselves to be lucky if the kept the northern Quebec power damns if that was the starting point.
Just don’t forget Manitoba, we have a viable port if it has icebreaker service, and it is closer to Europe than most eastern ports.
Join PPC, become a maxipad and help Blackie get a majority. Yay.
John that quote comes from the linked article.
IF Jay made it clear that he was NOT starting a new “ federal” party… that was not revealed in the story.
However, i think it safe to assume that is where he wants to go with this by his not responding it such a way as to make it clear.
To suggest we will be more successful than Reform in the federal arena because we are now madder…
Sorry.
Make it clear Jay.
Provincial Wexit parties and I’m all in.
Don’t waste blood sweat and tears building another federal party.
Reform went to Ottawa to fix Confederation. Jay Hill will go there without that illusion. That said I kinda agree with you that it should be led by provincial Wexit parties. Hill says there will be no affiliation with the Federal party which I don’t like. I can see the need for a single voice for the entire new entity but I want no confusion with leaders from the individual provinces trying to craft a deal.
I am actually shocked that this structure has not already been established within the Wexit Party. All Wexit has to do is elect 6-10 MP’s federally and it will destroy the CPC in the West. Provincially all it has to do is force Alberta into a minority government. We found in Reform that building riding associations galvanized a lot of interest. Wexit should organize both provincially and federally by area and use the same people in the associations.
Nigel Farage was leader of UKIP (UK Independence Party) from 2006 to 2016 and served in the EU parliament from 1999 to 2020.
He is someone that was in it for the long game. Jay Hill is made of the same stuff.
I really hope that we can separate within a decade.
The difference between Western Canadians and Quebecois is that we aren’t interested in shaking down the rest of Canada like a petulant child. I want a severance from people who don’t think like I do and those who look at me like I want results and the opportunity to build a new country to cement Western Canadian values.
Ivbinconned,thats why I asked.
I read it twice and Jay says This;
“I’m not naive,” said Hill. “This is going to be a difficult task, but I’m gonna put some effort into this along with other credible, like-minded people and hopefully we can convince the majority of westerners that they would be better off forming their own nation.”
The stupid federalist Journalist said the drivel about splitting the “conservative vote”.Liberal majority old school confederation, laurentian elite thinking.
I want a new credit rating .. oh, wait, we’ve got a new one.
I’m in Ontario but on the west side of my street. Can I get in/out ?
Just don’t call it “Westworld”.
No provincial militia to back up wexit = nothing but posturing to brow-beat the feds, like Quebec does.
This is key. We need an FLQ but with discipline and organization.
The first step in secession is to secede. You worry about convincing the foreign power later.
that foreign power can only be convinced with force. Need to stop federal agencies from taking their cut and enforcing their rules. I doubt they have the balls, but would be happy to be proven wrong.
Wexit needs to be strictly provincial. Wexit Alberta, Wexit Saskatchewan, and Wexit Manitoba. The reasons for this are that the votes for separation need to be at the provincial level by the people of these provinces. The Federal legislation to get’er done already exits.
All the people of the Western provinces need are the leaders to rally the vote and make it happen.
They are going to be individual to each Province. Because each Province has to legally go Independent on their own the Federal WEXIT is going to kick Ottawa and Canadas butts while this is going on Provincially. We also have a WEXIT2USA division because believe it or not internal polling inside WEXIT shows that a majority of western Separatists prefer Union with the USA. In Alberta’s case America buys 80% of everything we produce and has for years They buy our oil, gas, wheat, beef, horses, pulp, paper, softwood etc. They put the bread and butter on our tables Ottawa and Canada are continually trying to take off our table. No we are gone. Jay Hill will be the Hammer. And we are not going to use the Clarity Act. We will go straight to UDI and International Court. Get Out Alberta.
Here’s your Moses!
So, get off your arses, stop typing and start marching.
Yup.
BC should be partitioned between the leftist Coast and the conservative Interior, using the already existing 28 regional districts: 15 on the Coast and 13 in the Interior.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_regional_districts_of_British_Columbia
Three-quarters of the population will be on the Coast, which can then form its own eco-peoples republic. Conservatives caught behind ‘enemy lines’ can move eastward, just as liberals in the Interior and Prairies should be encouraged to move to the Coast or Ontario.
The Interior can then join the Prairies in a right-leaning Western Canadian federation, along with the NWT and Yukon. Nunavut, being a distinctive ethnostate, can form its own independent nation under American tutelage.
I wonder if Jay Hill is up for the partition of BC?
He absolutely is. He wrote a column about a year ago speaking to that very issue and says Quebec has already established that provinces are divisible.
Like the CHAZ freaks, seems many Canadians think they can LARP at independence without real forces. You wanna keep your loot? Then be prepared to defend it, otherwise those with the forces can just come and take it.
Canada is lost, in every sense of the word.
Well said. Western Canada has riches that rival any per square mile on earth.
We separate….. we gotta defend it. We can’t go to the teacher if the school yard bully takes our lunch or to the police if the neighbours take our lawn mower.
Wexit will need a few boots on ground and even a few used Aussie F18 for show.
Just reality.
Or the real world war three will be fought by states Russia and China if it looks like we are up for grabs
I’m a Montrealer living in Toronto, can I come too?
I’m the only guy I ever met who has a custom made bumper sticker that says “This Car Wants Alberta Oil”
I lived in Calgary for 23 years and I was Mr. Hill’s next door neighbor for 5 years. I have reams of respect for the man. I have since moved to the heart of darkness (Ottawa) but I believe he is correct and would be willing to assist him in any way I can. The west is an afterthought to the east and will never reach its potential in Canada.
The west doesn’t need a politician, it needs a warlord. Until such a time as that can be admitted, the west will continue to pay for the east’s glorious welfare programs. All your bases are belong to us. Deal with it.
I am in for separation !
I vote we call ourselves Buffalo.
This will allow us to stomp all opposition with a clear conscience.
Cause thats what we do.
Also allows us to listen patiently to Liberal rants,then Grunt,fart and give them the horns.
The possibilities are Endless.
As we are making Louis Reals dream come true,we could incorporate with the Metis Tradition and have us all declare as Metis when dealing with Ottawa.
Just as an additional FU for the Little Emperor.
Can we Buffalo ’em or what?
“Can we Buffalo ’em or what?”
Probably not.
He should announce today that Canada’s debt is Canada’s and Wexit has no obligation to pay a nickle of it.
Watch the hair fires over that.
We should announce that we will expect full repayment of $600 billion dollars and change within 5 years of separation. $200 billion would be forgiven if Ottawa cedes the territories to us. As a sign of friendship with our neighbors…no interest for the first year.
Bwahahaha! Do that without forces, I dares ya!
Canada’s current military budget =
https://www.canada.ca/en/department-national-defence/corporate/reports-publications/transition-materials/defence-101/2020/03/defence-101/defence-budget.html
About the same amount that ottawa nets from Alberta every year. Coincidence? I think not. $20 billion/yr plus being a critical energy partner of the USA…should be a good start to our western military 😉
The money is there, but the will…? I hope so, but I still doubt it. You gonna pay folk to fight the Canadian Forces? Really? I don’t think you gots the cajones.
Pretty sure neither side is going to go to war over separation or money owed to Alberta. It was just humor pointing out the craziness of the notion that Alberta would be expected to carry any of Canada’s debt upon separation. It will be a peaceful transition. All will be well. 🙂
How can folk be so naive as to think wexit is political and not military? This seems to be the emasculated state of most of western society.
I really want to see Justin Trudeau arguing to keep Western Canada in Canada because he has already said that he did not like Harper’s Canada and he would move to Quebec, when they separate from Harper’s Canada.
So how could he logically want to use the military to keep the West in Canada?
He has blathered his way into a corner.
https://www.theglobeandmail.com/news/politics/ottawa-notebook/would-justin-trudeau-separate-from-stephen-harpers-canada-maybe/article536445/
HE IS AN IDIOT.
Western Canada needs it’s own intelligent leadership for the future of their kids.
I have yet to see any sign of any intelligent leadership anywhere in the west, except for Trump, and even he is just a holding action.
Get back to me when Jay Hill gets an atomic bomb he is willing to use to blow downtown Toronto to kingdom come if the west is not given its independence and excused its share of Canada’s federal debt.
The west’s not going nowhere unless it shoots its way out—or President Trump liberates the place. Bay Street aren’t going to let a few goddamn rednecks walk off with “their” oil.
Fine by this clown. He wants power, not a free west.
Socialism: You can vote your way into it, but you gotta shoot your way out of it. Sadly, I think we need to sink much deeper before the forces necessary to shoot our way out materialize. Alberta should start by booting the RCMP outta the place, or maybe just lending some cash to some energy producers and not paying the feds, or maybe…just getting a militia.
And then there is the civilized division of Czechoslovakia into two countries.
These two regions realized that they had different interests and came up with a solution which both were happy with.
The 7 million Czechs and the 2.5 million Slovaks had no problem dividing.
https://www.dw.com/en/czechoslovakia-and-yugoslavia-division-and-disintegration/a-40253705
In the end it worked out well, both regions were much happier and remained good friends.
There is no reason why Western Canada and the East couldn’t do the same.
And the East would be much happier on their road to their totalitarian hell governed by fools.
Good luck. All your bases are belong to us. You people couldn’t fight your way out of a wet paper bag. The east is tougher than you militarily, and if you try to keep your stuff, we’ll just have to come and show you who’s boss. You punks are funny.
And there you have it… You have to stay with the Union, or else.
Civil wars are nasty things, and you rarely have a good idea who will come out on top in the end. It’s often something that neither side anticipated.
Civil war? LOL. Albertans don’t have the balls, nor do any Canadians.
https://industry.travelalberta.com/news-media/industry-news/2020/06/investment-to-help-restart-albertas-tourism-industry
While there is about nothing the failed experiment Canada can do to woo me back from Wexit, it is not factual that AB did not get tourism dollars: as presumed in the second link.
Just sayin’
I’m from Ontario but if I was in Western Canada I would vote Wexit. Hey, to borrow the formula from Chretien, If Canada is divisible, Ontario is divisible. Maybe Western Ontario could join. I’d love to detach from Toronto/Ottawa.
What is it with you folk thinking votes matter? Are you all on glue, or what? You will pay for the east’s welfare, or die, you pathetic wimps. Rural people had better stand, sooner or later.
You folk seem to think that provinces matter, but they don’t. Cities are hives of psychopathy, east or west. So get a grip, aholes, because it ain’t got nothin to do with Alberta vs Quebec, and if you think it does, you lose.
Toronto needs to keep the military nearby to shovel the snow, they can’t afford to send them out west.
Ya’ know… 10 years ago, I would have recommended that you secede and become new states of the United States. These days, it’s all too crazy here, and you just can’t know what you would be signing on to. Go your own way for a while, then decide where loyalties and interests should lie.
I hate finding that I am living in interesting times.
I would discourage any further use of “Buffalo” as a name for anything other than the dump that sees Lake Erie’s rush for oblivion. Also there’s a town in Wyoming with that name. It’s not a very positive foundation for this important political move. Obviously western Canada is not the right name either, maybe Fixed Your Canada?
Wish I had a name to suggest but nothing comes to mind.
While I support the concept and certainly understand the terminal situation we have reached regarding eastern arrogance, I also see this as a very difficult political project on several levels, access to the coast being primary, likely political troubles with the entrenched native community (who would prefer the devil they know in Ottawa), as some have said growing liberal intrusion into the population base, and very probably a cap of about 30-35 per cent on enthusiastic support beyond which a lot of lukewarm to dead-set opposed types.
Anyone who thinks we could trust Ottawa bureaucrats to give us any kind of fair deal on financial rearrangements is not familiar with the opponent. We would be starting from zero and forced to rebuild pension plans and social infrastructure. Not saying it would be impossible, after all this is the west where all things are possible. It might be better to exit into a crisis than stay and have our noses further rubbed in the eastern arrogance that we all detest.
There may be a plan (b) in terms of our neighbour to the south also facing some prospects of partition and division for much the same reasons. Perhaps the western revolt here would blend in with the central revolt there. Eventually there could be three countries as the eastern and western liberals would probably not have that much reason to stick together if the centre folded up and left.
I am encouraged to hear Jay Hill has moved into the lead chair on this, Downing did not inspire much confidence. Even this project needs a certain amount of political compromise and realism.
Peter,”Anyone who thinks we could trust Ottawa bureaucrats to give us any kind of fair deal on financial rearrangements is not familiar with the opponent. We would be starting from zero and forced to rebuild pension plans and social infrastructure. ”
You assume the current plans have real assets,to be withheld.
From my point of view all the empty promises of retirement pensions,healthcare and “social services” are lies.
The money was put into general revenues and stolen, the recent funds established may well turn out to be ghost accounts,fully hollowed out already.
But why would a Nation that is rejecting Canada’s Kleptocracy,want to duplicate the Welfare State anew?
Too many freeloaders is what sunk Canada,whole provinces full of them.
And Buffalo is an honourable and historic name for the region
Those of you who dismiss my position that starting a new federal party is a waste of blood sweat and treasure. And will achieve nothing but salaries and pensions for those Wexit mp’s who gain meaningless office.
Consider this….
the Reform party, that came out of their founding conventions (1987} with 10 priorities, 8 calling for constitutional change….if that doesn’t have you puzzled…it should.
Calls for constitutional changes…yet run federal?? Made no sense! It’s premiers who sit at the constitutional table….not federal opposition parties.
Jay Hill bought into that, I did not.
Ask your self this question.
What if instead of starting a new federal party the reformers would have started new western provincial parties.
I have no doubt they would have had great success in 3 provinces and perhaps even on the left coast.
Reform leaders would have sat at the constitutional table, there they could have swung the “hammer” that Preston referenced and watcher mentioned above.
Preston argued the east would listen to reason. Naive…or intentional plan to deflect western discontent. I’d argue the latter.
Just watch the backbone of Moe and Kenny stiffen if Wexit starts at the provincial level and
watch the federalists squirm if westerners demonstrate no interest in debating in a federal
forum. Why would we…if we intend to leave.
Separation happens at the Provincial level, as you say. There should be provincial movements as well as a federal movement!
In Qc they have the PQ and BQ. One Provincial the other Federal.
” perhaps even on the left coast.”
No, no, no not in the lower Fraser Valley where the Chicoms crack the whip for half the population and the other half yearns for Khalistan. They can become America’s Singapore. We’ll take northern BC, the Kootenay and Okanagan under a constitution that grants exploitation of resources to the provinces with a guarantee of transportation to the sea. The powers of the federal government will be limited to the post office, passports, and army.
I live in a former ndp riding in the Fraser valley.. now Cons.. I am wexit to the bone..
Agreed. As I said here yesterday…”Launching a federal “wexit” party is absurd and actually supports the concept of federalism. This will dilute resources, assets, talent and energy that should all be focused at the regional/”provincial” level. A federal party cannot initiate anything useful toward the goal of succession.” I’m beginning to think, however, it is not merely absurd but actually a conflict of interest to attempt to pursue independence through a federal route. As for Kenny’s “backbone” … I have referred to him as Jason Do-Little but I believe we will find him to be Kenny Quisling.
What is wrong with calling ourselves Alberta?
From afar, what a great notion.
You get rid of the French speaking posturing BS and you massively cull the Canadian Administrative State…though others will arise to take their place.
French as a foreign language again would alone be worth the price of admission.
The libranos must be smackin’ their lips