52 Replies to “The Sound Of Settled Science”

  1. It’s all due to climate change and *phobia, all started by white supremacists and neo-Nazis. The science on the matter has been settled.

    1. Time for Turdhole and Ed Grimly’s daughter Climate Barbie to start a new tax because we know that nothing changes in the universe without imposing a punishing tax burden on the little guy and gal… If there’s one thing I”ve learned from living in Peeairs country is that taxing things to make people poorer makes everything better, everyone knows that. Perhaps imposing french on the universe would make it more “just” too. The Universe is back… Hooray!

      1. yes olde white lady, that has been coming down the pipe for many years now. Wait till you get told that math may not be absolute.

  2. How can it be understood that the universe is 93 billion light years across and yet only 13.8 billion years old?
    https://www.quora.com/How-can-it-be-understood-that-the-universe-is-93-billion-light-years-across-and-yet-only-13-8-billion-years-old-1

    The reason for the difference is that, first of all, 13.8 billion light years is essentially the radius of a sphere of the Cosmic Microwave Background (CMB) radiation that is being observed by the WMAP and Planck satellites. Therefore the diameter of that sphere would be 27.6 billion light years. So that brings us a little closer to the diameter of the 93 billion light year of the “observable” universe that is often quoted.

    Each of the yellow or red bumps seen on the CMB image below, will, by NOW, 13.8 billion years later, have become a supercluster of galaxies. In the meantime the continued expansion of the universe would have resulted in those superclusters of galaxies being 46.5 billion light years from us at this time.
    (CMB image from the Planck satellite, for more information about the CMB see my answer to How far backwards in time is it possible to see?)

    So the idea is: if we waited for 46.5 billion years, we should actually be able to see the light emitted right now from those superclusters of galaxies in our telescopes. The light has just now started on its way towards us but it will take a while to reach us since it will have to come from the surface of a sphere with a diameter of 93 billion light years – with us at the center!

    Unfortunately, it is no longer true that we shall eventually see that light from those super clusters. The problem is that we now know that due to dark energy, the expansion of the universe is actually increasing at an accelerated rate (actually it has been accelerating for at least 3 billion years). Because of the accelerated expansion, those superclusters, which are now 46.5 billion light years from us, will be receding from us at a rate that is greater than the speed of light by the time we wait another 32.7 billion more years.

    So, the diameter of 93 billion light years is, at most, a theoretical estimate of the current distance of all the matter that we can NOW see, even if the light we see is 13.8 billion years old (as in the case for the CMB images).

    At 379,000 years after the big bang, there was a bump (overdensity) in the region of space where our super-cluster (the Virgo cluster), and our galaxy (the Milky Way) would eventually develop. You might wonder how far away the bumps were then that would eventually show up on the CMB image show above? Well we can calculate that! The CMB is at a redshift of z=1100. There is a scale factor for the universe that is a function of time, a(t). The redshift is related to the scale factor by
    a(tNOW)a(tCMB)=z+1.

    Which means that the diameter of those bumps that would become our CMB image would be 93 billion light years/1101 which is 84.5 million light years in diameter.
    ….

    Which means we are a speck in a very big pool about 93 billion light years across.
    Are you feeling really important now? Perhaps we shouldn’t…

    Cheers

    Hans Rupprecht, Commander in Chief
    1st Saint Nicolaas Army
    Army Group “True North”

    1. Great comment! Even more mind-blowing if you consider the possibility that the observable universe itself is an infinitesimally small speck in yet some larger construct.

      1. And yet the Atheist Left suppose themselves to be some kind of gods? Perspective has never been their long suit.

      1. Hahaha ha … I must admit … my eyes glazed-over a bit trying to get through Hans’ post.

    3. This sounds good, but it’s awfully complicated. A simpler explanation for people of my intellect is that the original calculations didn’t include leap years. There have been 541,666,666 leap years (24 per century) over the last 13,000,000,000 years. The 541,666,666 extra days actual means that some 1,666,666 years have just been ignored!

      I haven’t refined my calculations to account for the possibility of the explosion being in the middle of a year rather than on January 1st.

      1. Your welcome.

        Delighted that I could introduce you all into a little mind and gravitational bending/stretching, time warping cosmology; without the aid of hallucinogenics…! (ie True-Dope-ia)

        Losing one’s sense of wonder, should give one some significant pause for a reality check.

        “Can you bind the chains of the Pleiades, Or loose the cords of Orion? “Can you lead forth a constellation in its season, And guide the Bear with her satellites? “Do you know the ordinances of the heavens, Or fix their rule over the earth?” Job 38:31-33

        Cheers

        Hans Rupprecht, Commander in Chief
        1st Saint Nicolaas Army
        Army Group “True North”

  3. Edwin Hubble – ‘red shift’ is recessionary, so the universe is expanding.
    Halton Arp – A prominent astronomer once upon a time (once worked for Hubble),
    – ‘red shift’ is intrinsic (signifying age).

    A profound difference of opinion, a YouTube search of Halton Arp is very enlightening.

    1. I gather you are referring to the following:

      Expanding Universe “red shift” Myth debunked by Halton Arp using Quasars
      https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=nV7JX9BZDMs

      https://www.skyandtelescope.com/astronomy-news/cosmologist-halton-arp-19272013/
      A half century ago, astronomers affiliated with Hale Observatories in California were recognized as accomplished, respected members of the community. Halton C. Arp was one such researcher. A staff astronomer at the esteemed institution for 29 years, he excelled as an observer and had frequent access to the 5-m Hale Telescope on Palomar Mountain.

      Yet beginning in the mid-1960s, Arp became convinced that the spectral redshifts of all distant galaxies, indicating their rapid movement away from us and thus showing that the universe is expanding, were not what they seemed. He identified many tantalizing pairings, such as galaxies and quasars apparently intertwined in space, with seriously mismatched redshifts. To him, this meant that we just didn’t understand redshifts. Others dismissed the couplings as optical illusions or chance alignments.

      But “Chip” Arp, a champion fencer in his youth, remained stubbornly convinced. The “redshift debate” heated up in 1966, when he published a compendium of 338 such cosmic oddities in his Atlas of Peculiar Galaxies. Six years later, on December 30, 1972, Arp squared off in an extraordinary live debate with Princeton cosmologist John Bachall, and their extended back-and-forth salvos became the basis of a book, The Redshift Controversy, published the next year.

      see also: https://www.facebook.com/notes/reid-barnes/are-we-ready-for-a-galaxy-formation-paradigm-shiftupdated/462435587142354
      …
      Doppler and the Red Shift/Speed Correlation Bite the Dust. Adam Reiss, one of three Nobel recipients for cosmology in 2011, had found a supernova at far distance, i.e. a lot of ‘red shift’, that was too bright for the ‘red shift’/speed correlation—it should have been dimmer if farther away, given larger ‘red shift’—although this was only one item. However, by 2003 he had found at least 10 too bright. This eliminated the then current “dust” explanation for the breakdown in the ‘red shift’/speed correlation that had already been observed, and the ‘red shift’/speed correlation itself seemed to be falling apart. So, acceptance of the relativistic Doppler explanation suffered greatly from the faltering ‘red shift’/speed correlation, and many scientists instead have gravitated to Georges Lemaitre’s space-time stretching explanation, including the Nobel winners. This explanation attributes the red shift of light from galaxies to the stretching of space-time as conceived in Einstein’s general theory of relativity.

      Space time stretching gives an explanation:

      The other explanation is that the red shift, the downward light frequency shift, which is therefore accompanied by longer wavelengths–redder wavelengths–is due to Einstein’s relativistic space-time stretching; this was the red shift explanation formulated by Georges Lemaitre in 1927.

      Halton Arp was definitely willing to think outside of the “Big Bang Box” and hardly gravitated to orthodox cosmology.

      Memorial Volume: The Galileo of Palomar
      For his troubles he got boot from Palomar and wound up at the Max Planck Institute

      https://www.haltonarp.com/articles for further reading.

      Cheers

      Hans Rupprecht, Commander in Chief
      1st Saint Nicolaas Army
      Army Group “True North”

  4. Oh no! Universal warming!
    It’s worse than we thought!
    Maybe red shift is not due to Doppler.

  6. My guess is the following.

    1) Matter has an inherent attractive force. Given enough matter in a particular volume, we see that force as gravity. Dense enough matter becomes a black hole.
    2) Energy has an inherent repulsive force. Given enough energy in a particular volume, we see that force as expansion. Dense enough energy becomes a white hole.

    Since the universe is made up of mostly energy, we see an expanding universe instead of a contracting universe. Since the early universe’s energy was far more concentrated, we see far more expansion at the edge of the universe than we see closer to us.

    The universe is essentially a white hole but with a bit of matter that slows its expansion somewhat. As the universe expands, the matter it contains spreads apart, reducing its effect on the universe’s expansion, resulting in an acceleration of the universe’s expansion.

    A good guess?

    1. I imagine it is ebb and flow. The repulsive force of energy is terminal, giving way to contraction as matter contracts, and distance between matter shrinks, the gravitational forces overcome all other forces.

      Hence the entire Universe will eventually collapse on itself and extinguish every bit of matter in a singular event made up of a cascade of black holes spreading throughout the universe.

      Hopefully, sometime after God has called me to our spiritual existence.

      Now excuse me, while I go make some theoretical fiat currency to pay my outrageous electric bill caused by a multi-billion dollar Utility Company formerly operated by a ‘Latina’ who didn’t understand the first thing about physics or economics … only the virtues of … “social justice”.

  7. Except for Canada which is expanding twice as fast as the rest of the universe because climate change.

    1. I knew it would happen sooner or later, We not have illegal worlds trying to get into our Galaxy.

      Trump needs to build a space wall and stop democrats using them to vote.

  8. While your somewhat scientific explanations are nice, the real reason the universe is expanding is because there needs to be more room to contain Justin Turdhole’s massive ego!!!

    1. If the Universe is expanding, why isn’t Brooklyn, or the Milky Way or even our local group? Or the space between and within atoms?

  10. The emptiness in Trudeau’s head is expanding faster than anyone else in Canada with the exception of Climate Barbie. Now we know the meaning of “Blowing one’s mind.”

  11. The mathematics are wrong.

    Everyone knows light travels at a different speed through various materials. We see this effect when we look at a prisim.

    The old light started traveling through a denser universe. It also had more distance to travel to reach earth.

    Those factors need to be addressed.

    It boils down to faulty mathematics.

    1. You begin by saying the physical assumptions are wrong, and end by saying the mathematics is wrong. Which is it?

      1. precisely.
        mr larry fails to realize that the VACUUM taking up by far almost ALL of the existing universe can expand to virtually infinity and density will change hardly. at. all. and has been this way for most of its existence. the ‘slowing’ of light mr larry mentioned did NOT happen for long.

        maths is hard.

      1. exactly.
        jeepers, and here I thought for over half a century that the refraction of light thru a prism
        had to do with . . . with . . . . . wavelength !!!

        maths is hard . . . . .

          1. not at all mr larry.
            except AGAIN, there is a missing aspect in your ‘maths’ in that the refraction *for every wavelength at a given point* is going to be DIFFERENT for those wavelengths. be the ‘gradual change’ spread over a couple cms or couple meters.
            m’kay?
            so MY point regarding *wavelength* just beat up your point about change in density.
            put another way, refraction has VASTLY more to do and totally CONSISTENT with WAVELENGTH.

          2. hb, your “faith” is that the hubble constant is in fact constant. Evidence is beginning to make people think it isn’t.

            Bad mathematics leads to bad science.

    1. the universe is unfolding as it should

      That’s what PET said.

      1. It’s actually what Max Ehrman said. Anyone is free to quote it. Attribution is always nice, however.

        1. Max didn’t have the … uh, *ahem* … “science” … of Global Warming to “model” his understanding of the Universe. I am sure if he were alive today … he’d agree that Capitalism is RUINING the entire Universe. It’s unfolding – interrupted.

  13. The rest of the universe heard about Prinz Dummkopf and his idiocies and is now trying to get as far away from him as possible.

  14. The hole in the expanding universe theory, of course, is just what is it that the universe is expanding into. First, people discovered other villages and followed that with other ‘lands’. Then we discovered continents, oceans, stars, moons and planets. Next, we discovered solar systems, galaxies and we called the place containing the galaxies the ‘Universe’.

    I think we overestimated the ‘Universe’ and are confusing ourselves with the concept of multiple universes. Well the ‘Universe’ was just a misnomer; a universe is, like a galaxy, just one of many. That leaves us with the proposition that the true universe is the place that contains all of the expanding universes, not just our expanding universe.

    Keep in mind, though, that once we gather further information, it will become apparent the the collection of expanding universes is itself expanding into some other unnamed collection of objects and so on and so forth. Early philosophers tried naming the ultimate collection of objects that was not expanding anywhere as God, but people reduced the concept of God, Reductio ad absurdum, into some impossible being similar to ourselves which we, over time, came to kill with our hubris.

  15. It is a huge universe that its Creator has given His children for our inheritance.

    The real problem is that our masters want it only for themselves—and to see to it nobody who is a meaningful threat to their rule ever leaves Earth.

    Their pretended love for our planet is a cruel joke. Their plan is to cannibalize it for the materials needed to leave the solar system, leaving the meek to inherit an earth fit only for use as a mass grave.

  16. What rubbish.
    The universe remains unchanged.
    We are shrinking,the incredible shrinking intellect of humans,just makes it appear,to us,that the universe is expanding.
    Once we reach a critical level of stupidity,it will be as if the universes never existed.

  17. I had this question pegged in my teens.
    but being a dummy, it got ignored.
    the way I put it in my mind, if gravity is so pervasive, shouldnt the outer edges be DEcelerating?
    I also finally figured out why the ‘c’ in E=MC2
    the simplest yet most profound equation in science. so far no one is interested in hearing the explanation.
    Im surrounded in mediocrity. oh, wait . . . I live in canadistan, THAT’S why !!!!

    cue the asteroid !!!

  18. Oh no!

    You mean the universe is more amazing and complex than even a Hawking or Einstein could ever imagine?

    Who knew?!

    1. Love it! There were great posts, but yours is the best, in my VHO.
      One day, God is going to allow an apple to fall on the the right person at the right time and there will be another big aha! moment.
      If you’re not the person, reserve your energy. When we get to Heaven, we can learn the explanation first-hand.

  19. Black hole, or white hole?

    Why don’t we meet in the middle and call it a grey hole.

    Fifty shades of.

    I can hardly wait for the next big bang.

    My brain hurts.

  20. and another thing, regarding reconciling the biblical version with observables?
    my theory is when the Bang happened, first thing to pop out was dimension.
    then energy.
    then matter.
    then gravity due to matter.
    and anything else you care to add.
    except time.

    ?
    time?
    yep. the tick . . . tick . . . . tick . . . . stuff.
    skill testing Q: did time have a beginning?
    yep.
    when? part of the above group?
    well, why? why does time HAVE TO come into existence at the same ‘time’ (and here’s where the irony sneaks in) as dimension, energy, matter, gravity et al?
    what if, IF, the Good Lord let all that interesting stuff that makes up existence whooooosh!!!!!!!! out unimpeded by time?
    photons travelling instantaneously, bouncing off the ‘edge’ or wherever and streaking across the
    ever bigger universe in the wink of an eye.
    try this mind game:
    imagine a photon pinging off an electron in some atom. who would dispute that the photon reaches ye ‘speede of lighte’ *before* it even gets to the outer edge of the atom? hmmm? seems light has the capacity of *instantaneous acceleration* and AT THE SAME ‘TIME’ (there’s that irony again!) the acceleration *instantaneously ceases*. think about that.
    I choose to believe it demonstrates that light has the *capacity* of instantaneous travel, except . . . except . . . . now, it is slowed by the
    tick . . . . tick . . . . . tick . . . . . of TIME.

    my theory about time then allows existence to get pretty much where it is a LOT faster than the heralded ’13 billion years’.
    THAT figure is merely derived by measuring its *current* velocity and how far away the quasars are.

    but what if that distance was travelled in the wink of an eye whilst it was ALL whoooooshing outward and ONLY when the Good Lord decided to . . . . turn. on. the. cosmic. clock. did the outward expansion become measurable by us humahns.
    and with the first clock tick . . everything went SHHHHAAAAANNNNGGGGGGG virtually grinding to a comparative snail’s pace.
    thus the light we see and measure NOW travelling at the ‘speed of light’ actually covered MOST of the 13 billion light years distance instantaneously. except whatever TIME has passed since He turned on the clock, is whatever it is.
    but not 13 billion years ago.
    put another way, the ‘extrapolation’ going on using *present* measure of the speed of light against apparent distance . . . .
    to guage ‘age of the universe’ . . . is incorrect.

    and it all hinges on when TIME started.
    it did have a beginning. aka ‘In the beginning’ (sound familiar?).

    jeepers folks, *see what happens when you discard accepted dogma, and REALLY search for the truth, search for answers, seek wisdom, think about possibilities and NOT swallow ‘settled science’ unquestioningly?*
    hmmmm?

    if anyone agrees this theory is worth even just discussing, feel free. tell the audience it came from a believer well steeped in science.
    who read the OT 5 times and the NT 10 more times and then embarked on a personal mission to show ways science and the bible can BOTH be true *about the same topics*. one need only kick yer humahn ego out of the room. and give a genuine heartfelt prayer for insight and understanding.

    have a good weekend folks !!!

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