Art Of The Fail

Roadkill Shiny Pony 142 Comments

Conservative Treehouse;

In order for Canada to join the U.S. Mexico deal they would need to:

 

  • (1) eliminate soft-wood subsidies in the lumber sector;
  • (2) eliminate protectionist tariffs in the AG (Dairy) sector;
  • (3) accept the 75% rules of origin, eliminating the NAFTA loophole;
  • (4) agree to the enforcement mechanisms for all the above;
  • (5) allow U.S. banks to operate in Canada (financial sector).

 

Each of these five issues, now locked-in and agreed by the U.S. and Mexico are “take-it-or-leave-it” terms for Canada to join. There’s almost no-way, given the politicization of the Canadian plan, for Justin and Chrystia to agree to those terms and keep their fragmented political support base appeased.

 

Therefore, absent total acquiescence, it is likely Canada will keep their soft-wood lumber subsidies, keep their protectionist Dairy tariffs, keep their banking rules blocking U.S. access, and face a 25% duty on U.S. auto imports – effectively destroying their auto manufacturing sector.  Car companies (ex. Toyota) will simply leave Canada and return to building/assembling in the U.S.

142 Replies to “Art Of The Fail”

  1. Trump wants U.S. banks to operate in Canada. Will he allow foreign airlines to compete in the domestic US market?

    1. Maybe, but it would be nothing compared to banks, and Canadian banks already operate freely in the US

    2. “There is a law on the books that says that you cannot fly via a Canadian airline directly between two points in the US, AND VICE VERSA. Changing this is sometimes referred to as an ‘open skies’ policy proposal, where today the skies are closed by this rule. it is a direct prop to the fare setting power of the Canadian carriers, so not going anywhere anytime soon.”

      Same in most countries. National carriers are protected.

      Let’s have open skies. Maybe add this to the NAFTA negotiations.

    3. “Will he allow foreign airlines to compete in the domestic US market?”

      Answers: Yes, if it will help make America great again. No if it won’t.

  2. ( crony think) Why can’t the US taxpayer just subsidise their rent seeking industries , charge Americans more, tax themselves more and trade those more expensive goods for our subsidised, Canadian taxed, over priced goods? It would be a lose lose for everyone!

  3. P.M. Harper had Canada running like a fine Swiss watch. Canadians did the unthinkable and voted in another Trudeau and the impending disaster is very near.

    1. This may be partly why Harper started speaking out as the NAFTA talks derailed. He recognized that Trump was dead serious about this and that it would have been far better for Canada to make a fast deal on whatever terms they could get from Trump, and cut Mexico loose. Now the tables have turned, Trump’s got his deal with Mexico, auto manufacturing plays a BIG role in it, and Trump absolutely WILL drop the tariff hammer on the sector if Canada doesn’t play ball.

      And Shiny Pony won’t play ball because that will destroy his entire ‘standing up to Trump’ B.S. narrative that Butts created for him.

      Recession incoming, 100% on Liberals, and it’ll be BAD. Not that the media will frame it that way. If you listen to them, it’ll be all Trump’s fault of course.

      1. Jerry Dias of Unifor/CAW has been a very vocal supporter of Trudy and the Virtue Signallers in the past, but, all of a sudden, ol Jerry has gone MIA for weeks, somebody cut out his tongue, or has Trudeau threatened him to shut up?
        Dias is NEVER at a loss of words, no matter how uninformed that commie is.

  5. PM POS may personally enjoy being bent over, but now he’s and his numpty crew have the country bent over. But what will an election do even if it brings in a new government as Scheerfolly is economically aligned with Dummyface and his clown show?

    1. I doubt turdeau is even aware of what this actually means for canada. I don’t think he cares one bit.

      As long as his personal interests are looked after then to hell with the country. He does not see the two as connected. But then again, neither did his father since he was cuban.

      1. You misunderstand Liberals. For them, Liberals ARE the country. Remember, post-election, Trudeau at Foreign Affairs proclaiming “Canada is back”.

        As I say, the NDP wants more government; the CPC wants less government; the Liberals want government.

    2. What will an election do?
      It will produce, what a merger does….
      It will produce Scheer – Stockings!

  6. Feels like Canadian socialism is about to run out of other people’s money.

      1. I think the libtards will have to suffer long and hard before they resort to pulling their heads out of their behinds.

      2. Don’t hold your breath.

        We are not at the level of Venezuela, yet, but are working on it.

    1. Do you understand yet? This is not about what’s fair, that’s just the talk of the weak and inept. The American economy dwarfs ours. That’s reality. TruDOPE had a chance to make a much better deal, but he decided to have a squat and dump on the previous talks, now he, or more properly, Canada will suffer the consequences. And his media will be his water carriers, Pravda and Tass will be busier than ever, lying to Canadians.
      Here come the $60 Billion deficits, and the 50 cent dollar

      1. 1. Turdeau has turned down trade agreements with everyone.
        2. you said Trudope had a chance to make a much better deal? for whom?
        3. 60 billion deficits? only if someone is stupid enough to loan us money.
        4. The US congress has to pass the trade deals Trump negotiates. We’ll see if they do that.
        However we are totally agreed that Turdeau is incompetent amongst other things.

        1. A better deal than the one being presented now. Does Trudy want to sacrifice the Canadian Auto Industry, and Forest industry, all for the sake of a a few thousand farmers?
          Scorched earth Liberal style?
          There is no World Police that the left wants to smack Trump down with. Sure, maybe they want to play games, and attempt to go thru slowly turning trade panels and such, but by then the damage is done.
          Best for Trudy to start acting like an adult, and that horrid Freeland as well, rather than continue their empty posturing

          1. Turdeau is incapable of making a good trade deal with anyone.
            Dairy is NOT the major stumbling block for Trump. It is just a convenient optic to rally his base and beat Turdeau and Freeland over the head. Personally I am very happy if the US tax payer wants to subsidize their dairy exports to Canada.

            Turdy is incapable of acting like an mature adult – he’s too busy smoking pot with Butts.

      2. “Do you understand yet? This is not about what’s fair, that’s just the talk of the weak and inept. ”

        Bingo. Those who look for fairness in international trade are too dangerous idiots to be trusted with trade negotiations.

        1. Those who don’t have no idea what ‘trade’ is or how it works.

          If the deal is voluntary and not fraudulent, the trade is fair.

          1. Please be quiet when adults are talking. Try to constrain the compulsive need to flap your gums and instead try to understand the context in which words are spoken. None here is interested in the definitions you inhaled from libertarian pamphlets and book covers.

    2. Tariffs and subsidies are two different things and affect international trade differently.

  8. Man oh Man!

    Wait till Andrew 2 percent Scheer hears about this!

    Because of his cowardly support for S-M, the great grinning putz can do nothing to attack turdo la doo on this, and, he has no viable alternatives to offer. So if/when Trump hits our auto sector, Mr. 2 percent can take a bow on stage beside turdo la doo.

  10. If the house flips Democratic it is almost impossible that the US – Mexico agreement passes. And it has to pass to replace NAFTA.

    The LPC May dodge this yet.

    1. I think that has always been their strategy. Remember Obomber has been flying around the world telling everyone that Trump isn’t much long for it.

    2. It’s clear that the entire LPC strategy, such as it is, has been to treat Trump as a placeholder president. Ignore, deflect, run out the clock, and expect that either the House / Senate flip in November, and/or Trump is defeated in 2020. It’s utterly deplorable that a government would take such a tack, but that’s what you get when an unserious populace elects an unserious government.

    3. Regarding the BIG gamble on a “possible” Democrat take over of the House of Representatives and also the “possibility”, given that if in fact it does happen, it would be a benefit to Canada:

      “Being that this is a .44 magnum, the most powerful handgun in the world and would blow your head clean off, you’ve got to ask yourself “Do you feel lucky?” Well do you, punk?”

      (Dirty Harry … Clint Eastwood)

    4. But President Trump can close down NAFTA on his own.

      And I’m not really sure if the Democrats want to be on Canada’s side against the American producer, Including a very large, traditionally democratic union called the UAW.

      1. I’m not sure a POTUS can end a trade treaty single-handed.

        As I understand it, it has never been tested/taken to a resolution in court.

      2. Yup small C, a lot of Dems are farther to the right than Mr 2 percent, and will vote to continue to support a strong economy

    6. No chance of this happening. Repubs will gain Senate seats in addition to House seats.

      1. There is no way the GOP is making ground in the House. Right now odds are about 3 to 1 that the Dems take the House.

  11. Heh, everything is so hunky-dory that Christie Freilander has to fly back from Europe to visit Washington.

  12. Canada has a list too. The US protects it’s dairy as much as Canada and exports 5 time the dairy product to Canada as we export to them. We need to equalize cross-border traffic.

    The softwood lumber is a repeating attempt at humour. WTO and NAFTA have said about 6 times that we don’t subsidize our timber. Alberta. and likely other provinces, enter into agreements with forestry companies whereby the companies do virtually 100% of forestry management and reforestation. The input costs are not significant cheaper than US timber.

    Canada’s forest industry does so well because it is modern, almost 100% mechanized, and large scale.

    If all else fails, we should subcontract border security to Russian and Chinese companies. I’m sure a new deal would progress quickly.

    1. Equalizing trade? So Canada should export only as much oil as it imports from the US?

      Softwood lumber has an imputed subsidy in that timber rights on crown land are often granted at below market value. WTO and nafta have ruled in Canada’s favour but only after BC quietly raised those timber stumpage rates.

      1. Dairy is an artificial subsidized market in both countries. Why should the US have a 5 time advantage in subsidized trade and spend all their energy crying like little girls about it?

        1. Elephant in the room scar, the US is the elephant. Even if they are wrong, it can STILL crush its opposition.
          This isn’t about whats fair, its about what the US wants, and negotiating a deal. All Trudy and Barney want to do is posture and virtue signal.
          Mexico understood, very clearly, the stakes at hand. Trudy is still in river rafting mode

        2. I understand it is the tariffs on US dairy products entering Canada that are the issue with Trump.

      2. Softwood lumber in Canada is NOT subsidized, Canada has won that argument repeatedly in AMERICAN courts.

    2. I agree. Canada does not subsidize softwood lumber. The U.S.’s complaint is that the provinces’ stumpage fees are too low — that is, we don’t tax enough. Apparently Canada has to adopt American tax policy or we’re cheating.

      1. Canadian lumber producers pay stumpage on every bit of sound wood inside the bark. US lumber producers pay stumpage on the amount of board feet of lumber that can be gotten from a given log. Problem is, the board ft. calculation is based on 1930s technology, which comes to 5.8 bd. ft. per cubic ft. of sound wood. BC has the most advanced sawmill technology in the world, has for decades. Back in the 1979s, at least one mill in BC was getting almost 9 bd. ft. per cubic ft. of sound wood. US lumber technology has been slow to catch up, but they are modernized too, which, according to what one lumber producer admitted privately, means he’s getting 40% of his wood for free.

  13. “The LPC May dodge this yet.”
    That’s all Trudeau’s clown act has left. I don’t think we’ll see much on this file until after the November elections and if those elections don’t go Democrat well…………

  14. Sure no problem!

    Except softwoodumber subsidies do not exist. Unlike Americas massive 480 billion farm subsidy bill. Their dairy tariffs (TRQ) are actually worse than ours but dont tell Trump that. Plus their dairy farmers are heavily subsidized directly and ours are not. Oh and how about eliminating the tariffs on softwood lumber, iron, aluminum, iron pipe (Evraz Regina), newsprint etc.

    It’s actually CANADA that has the right to complain. Also a sunset clause being a no go is a no brainer.

    1. It’s too late for any of that. The time to negotiate on those points, the time to make that case to the USA and to Trump’s team, was back in January, back before Trump decided that Canada wasn’t taking this seriously and was only out to play juvenile politics. But our crack negotiators decided to play tiddly winks and Trump rightfully discarded us to get a solid deal with Mexico instead. Now we’ve no leverage whatsoever and will have to eat whatever terms Trump shoves down our throats or eat the auto tariffs. Lose/lose for us, win/win for Trump.

      But as I already said, this sort of ‘negotiating’ is what you get when an unserious populace elects an unserious government.

      1. But, but, the dreamy eyes, the beautiful hair, the bold stance, the broad shoulders, the way he speaks up for women …… what’s not to like she said.

    2. “It’s actually CANADA that has the right to complain”
      OK. So maybe we should have talked to the US about those issues instead of wasting over a year with a bunch of bs about the environment, gender equity etc.

        1. Allan s – I’m assuming that our negotiators are bumbling idiots. From what you have seen so far do you have any reason to believe otherwise?

          1. You would be correct. Further, flipping the finger to Trump does not help the negotiating process.

    3. “Except softwoodumber subsidies do not exist. Unlike Americas massive 480 billion farm subsidy bill. Their dairy tariffs (TRQ) are actually worse than ours but dont tell Trump that. Plus their dairy farmers are heavily subsidized directly and ours are not. Oh and how about eliminating the tariffs on softwood lumber, iron, aluminum, iron pipe (Evraz Regina), newsprint etc.”

      So all Canada has to do then is say “We’ll drop all subsidies, grants, tariffs, protectionist management systems, and duties, and you do the same.” Right?

      So let us know what response you get from turdo and his A-team when you text them this revelation.

      1. What I’m saying is we have a far larger complaint list as to their TRQs, tariffs, and subsidies.

        1. What’s it worth today? Who is listening? Squat under the current conditions. What’s your next negotiating tactic? Why is Butts headed south today, too? Gonna trash talk Trump in person? I suspect that there is a lot more going on in these “trade talks” than just NAFTA, now. Some other things are being discussed outside of earshot of the media. And it’s going to be kept that way.

          1. Trump and co have done a great job in convincing you idiots that their narrative is correct.

          2. And I asked, what’s it worth today? Who is listening?
            Man, you’re almost religious in your hatred of Trump & things Trumpish. Go suck on a bong, truck boy.

          3. Allan, you clearly misunderstand the facts of life. The US economy DOMINATES Canada. You can scuffle your feet all day long, and scream with the rest of the virtue signallers about how its soooooo unfair! The reality is, the US is demanding to reset its trade deals, or else. And they have the wherewithall to inflict serious economic harm, IF the country doesnt take it seriosuly.
            The Mexicans understood, clearly, the benefits to negotiating and getting serious.
            Or is Virtue Signalling the new negotiating? We’re going to see what Trudy, Barney,a nd the rest of the juvenile crew decides is most important to them, a few thousand millionaire dairy farmers, or tens of thousands of people across the country affected by the loss of the auto industry, the serious decline of forestry, and other industries totally dependent on US trade.
            Or do you prefer the strategy of pouting and being picked on, while Rome burns? Your screed is tiresome and as out of touch as the idiots you take your talking points from on Pravda and Tass

        2. Canada needs access to the US market far more than the US needs access to the Canadian market.

          That is the realpolitik aspect that matters most. It is not a winnable fight for Canada.

        3. “What I’m saying is we have a far larger complaint list as to their TRQs, tariffs, and subsidies.”

          Then if that is truly the case, surely Canada has much more to gain by calling for a playing field that is free of all my afore-mentioned obstructions. That’s what I’m saying.

          1. It wont happen. Trump just signed a farm subsidy bill worth half a trillion a matter of weeks ago.

      2. If we had competent intelligent negotiators all these issues would be addressed, but we are being represented by child like blithering idiots. That’s at least the vibe they give off. Maybe they aren’t as stupid as they sound every time they open their cake holes, but I highly doubt it.

    4. Sorry, Allan, but selling timber from crownlands at below market rate is considered the same as a subsidy under the trade rules, because it has the same affect as a subsidy in giving a price advantage to the producer . The stumpage rates charged on crown land is much less than the stumpage rates charged by private landowners for similar timber. So the timber cut on crownland can be sold at a much cheaper rate than timber cut on private land; a subsidy in effect. That’s why, Allen, when you looked it up in statistics Canada, you found no entry for softwood subsidies. Read the above through slowly several times because I know math is hard for you, and truthfulness, even more so

      By the way why don’t you address the huge price differential and how much Canadian consumers of dairy get screwed by the supposedly free and open market you claim exists in Canada? Because you are trying to obscure the facts, just a little bit, again, Alan? You don’t want to let the cat out of the bag that the primary beneficiaries of this protectionist regime are giant corporations like Agropur, and Saputo, maybe? It wouldn’t be that any of their profit ends up in the pocket of the Liberal party of Canada would it?

      Funny isn’t it that the Americans want the according – to you- unimportant Canadian dairy tariffs removed? Must be they restrict American dairy imports to Canada!

      Keep it up Allan! But you really must get better at lying with statistics.

      1. “Sorry, Allan, but selling timber from crownlands at below market rate is considered the same as a subsidy under the trade rules”

        Show me how many times the WTO or NAFTA panels have ruled in favor of the American position. Heres a clue, it’s the same amount as finalized Trump trade delas: ZERO!

        Also why are softwood lumber producers who get from entirely private lands also targeted with tariffs but at a lower rate?

        1. Prove it. You are saying free market prices are even higher than Canadian ones – ha, ha.

        2. American dairy prices say otherwise Allan. You lie like a rug.
          $2.50 a gallon for milk.
          $1.49 for a dozen eggs.
          $3/lb for Cheese.

          We pay double, and more, for the same products. There is no excuse for the screwing of the Canadian consumer on dairy products.

          1. What I said is true. American dairy farms are heavily subsidized. Their proces are further from the true market price than ours. They sell well below cost.

      3. Canada won repeatedly in AMERICAN courts which decided that we DON’T subsidize our crown timber. The “stumpage rates charged by private landowners” are negotiated on a case by case basis, and when lumber prices are low the mills won’t pay the landowner nearly as much as they have to pay the crown. In BC, stumpage rates are based on the commodity market lumber price, so when the price of lumber goes up, the stumpage follows. When lumber comes down, so does stumpage.

    5. No softwood subsidies? Good one!!!! Except, a vast majority of harvested timber in Canada sits on Government owned land. The Govt., of course, assures the industry of ridiculously low stumpage rates. That’s subsidy number one. 70% of US timber, on the other hand, is harvested from privately owned land which requires the market to set the stumpage rates. Then, Canada, dumped softwood into the US market to make the costs lower in the US than in Canada in an effort to thin the herd of US competition (questionable business practices there). Finally, in an effort to control this move, the US added duties to Canadian imports which ended up with the Canadian govt. giving the Canadian softwood industry $867 Million in guaranteed loans last year (Subsidy #2 for those keeping score at home).

      1. Wrong, Orson. The market sets stumpage rates on timber from crown land. Stumpage is based on the price of lumber that is set by the commodities market in the US. When lumber is high, so is our stumpage. So no subsidy number one.

        The US cannot supply enough lumber to meet its own needs, which is why most of our lumber production heads south. We don’t dump it, we sell it on the same commodities market that US lumber is sold on.

        Canadian producers get most of their timber from crown land. In BC they have a quota that they must cut, or they lose it. They must cut it even when lumber prices are low. So in order to remain solvent, they became lean and mean. Canadian mills lead the world with technological innovation, efficiency and productivity. The US producers responded to low prices by cutting production or shutting down completely and waiting for prices to improve, so unlike Canadian producers, their mills soon became obsolete, taking 4 times as much manpower to produce the same amount of lumber. That’s why they accused us of subsidies, because we could make a profit when they couldn’t come close.

        A loan must be repaid. A subsidy is never repaid. So no subsidy number two. For those who are keeping score, you’re 0 for 2.

  15. “Car companies (ex. Toyota) will simply leave Canada and return to building/assembling in the U.S.”….

    Does Trudy realize this is a win win for Trump?

    1. Trudy and his clown show only listen to the losers on CNN and PMSNBC, hence their inept, and losing policies. The whole blue wave Schtick is nonsense, a media fabrication.
      NBC revealed a poll yesterday showing that Trump is more popular than ever…..
      NBC…………….
      This will not go well for Canada, thank you Trudy and Barney!

    2. It’s a win-win-win because liberals will just blame blumpf and win the next election. They could care less about anything else.

  16. Canadian socialism…
    Orwell shortened English socialism to Ingsoc..

    Casoc? Can-sock?

    What do you think? Cansock seems SOOOOOO appropriate.

  17. Common Canadians knew what they wanted, and they deserve to get it; good and hard.

    I will shed no tears when the suicides start in Ontario in the Canadian auto sector. I wonder if there will be as many as there were in Calgary during NEP one? I wonder if the CBC will be as silent on them as they were on ours?

    I wonder what 30% mortgage rates will do to Vancouver and Toronto and Montreal?

    Hey, you vote the breeze, you reap the Liberal-wind.

  19. Think positively. Once Trudeau is done, no-one from the shithole world will want to illegally immigrate.

    2. The ones that are already here will be trying to sneak back into the USA ,wonder if PDJT will be throwing the border open like sock boy did!

  20. Trudeau & Co. politicized the trade negotiations. One component was virtue signal to his leftist base. BUT also it was a theatre in the globalists war to dump Trump. The PMO churned up anti-Trump media coverage pre & post G7. Freeland did her rounds in the USA vilifying Trump for the globalist press. Then there were the retaliatory tariffs that expressly target Trump’s voter base That’s NOT how trade deals get negotiated. And so Canada has been conscripted to fight in this theatre of the war waged by the globalists against Trump.

    Per @Last Refuge, the Trump trade team is of the opinion that the deal with Mexico conforms to whatever US legalities and Canada can take it or leave it by Friday, i.e., the optics are that Canada is walking away from a trilateral deal that has been agreed to by the other players.

    I’m not quite sure how this plays out if Dems get a majority in the house after the November elections and don’t sign off on the deal. It appears Trump’s not worried. If Canada doesn’t sign the deal by Friday, he will slap on the auto tariifs …he may wait till the report by the department of commerce re. national security comes out in the new year…but those tariffs will be imposed.

    It will be interesting to see who’s playing chess vs. checkers i.e., if Canada ends up loosing 100,000 jobs on account of the PMO having poked Trump a few too many times on behalf of the globalists.

    1. Not to worry … Princess Rainbow Unicorns Freeland always has her … sisterhood of the EU Trade Ministers. You should really see what they do when scissoring their softwood timbers!

  21. There is little doubt that Trudeau and little miss red dress will sell out their voter base in the auto industry and sell out the rest of the country to protect “Daddy’s” diary mafia legacy. More negative consequences to voting Socialist. Had enough loosing yet?

    1. In the Liberals narrowminded world, Ontario is now Doug Fords problem. They will twist, turn and genuflect to try to make him the scapegoat in the next federal election, along with Trumphitlerstalin.

  22. Here’s how Trudeau should proceed:

    Allow some nameless bureaucrat to rescind the $20 loophole that cross border shoppers use to bypass the Canadian dairy monopoly board. Along with that, announce that violators will face a zero tolerance policy at least as nasty as the CWB’s with respect to farmers hand carrying wheat to the USA in the 90’s. The outcry from the media would educate Canadians on how corrupt the monopoly boards are.

    Allow Scheer to show his continued subjugation to SM (Supply Management). Then proclaim that the Liberals are in favour of average Canadians and announce the end of Supply Management.

    Scheer has positioned himself too closely to the Liberals. He sold his soul to Big Money marketing boards at the expense of low and middle income Canadians. Trudeau can isolate him very easily. This strategy would exploit the rift between conservatives (Bernier) and the CPC (Scheer) and give Trudeau a reasonably clear path to another election win.

    I’m so upset with Scheer openly accepting the subversion of the CPC voting system for his own gain that I think we’d be better off with 4 more years of Trudeau than any time with crooked Scheer as PM.

    1. It’s best to send the CPC to wander in the desert for 40 years than to let them demonstrate how much like the Liberals they are. If people need a lesson in “voting has consequences”, let them have it good and hard.

  23. Is it just me or did Mexico ditch us to get a deal? I thought they didn’t want Trump to divide us. It was classic game theory where if you stick together you get a better deal but I guess they saw their chance. Freeland has been a disaster as foreign minister but the media loves her and thinks she is a superstar. Sometimes the Rhodes scholars aren’t the smartest ones.

    1. After making a big deal about standing with Mexico, Mexico dumped us. This is going to get ugly and the msm cheerleading of we won’t be pushed around and sticking it to trump is very dangerous, enemy of the people type stuff.

    2. It could well be that Mexico, after seeing how unserious Canada was about the NAFTA negotiations, recognized that they had an opportunity to take the lead and get a stronger deal with the USA for themselves, and/or that if they tried to hang with Canada, Trump would just hang them both. Canada’s not important enough to Mexico for them to risk ticking off the USA, plain & simple.

      No matter how you slice this, it’s a disastrous bungling of what should have been a straightforward if tough renegotiation of a trade agreement of vital importance to our country. Team Liberal, ladies and gentlemen.

      1. Mexico isn’t a province of Canada (although some up here might go on like it was), why in good sense would they sink or swim with Canada?
        Man, the stupid up here, it burns.

      2. Mexicans are pro Mexican

        Americans are pro American

        Canadians are pro hard left globalists who believe in the government and their media fake news institutions…

        Thank God for Trump…

        Make Canada Great Again

        MCGA

        Q is coming for Trudeau and it will happen…

        Q has Trudeau texts about assassinating Trump…

    3. You’re really onto something there … as I listened to the Mexican President repeat (during the unprecedented LIVE broadcast speakerphone call) over and over how he encouraged President Trump to make Canada part of the deal with Mexico … it sounded like he protesteth too much. Didn’t sound right to my ear.

  24. If you look around at comments on radio and failbook, responses to articles etc I’d say most Canadians still want Trudeau to “stick it to blumpf”. The delusion is real. I think the liberals will just delay until the midterms and once the blue wave turns out for naught they’ll be in serious trouble. Tariffs on autos is a sure thing at this point and it’ll destroy Ontario. The only good news from the CPC perspective is we have Doug Ford who will point out Trudeau’s idiocy because we all know Scheer will just smile and nod.

    1. Perchance a snap election call to deal with the Trump threat, with the CPC in apparent disarray?

    2. The Liberal way is to shift the blame and scorch the earth unless/if they benefit from it.

      They will try to pin Ford and Trump as the causes of all evil in the world. WIll Canadians be stupid enough to follow that line of talking points? Maybe, if Pravda and Tass (CBC,CTV) continue their shilling for Trudy and Barney

  25. Most Canadians are delusional as far as expectations of any NFTA deal. Trump skewered Canada as soon as he lowered USA Corporate tax rates. It was the only serious differential in the competing cost structure. Perhaps there is an argument about the Canadian social safety net being a labor subsidy but I have not heard that argument made.

    If a business has capital to invest simply ask yourself where would be the better country to do it? No brainer. Don’t look at this year’s numbers or even next. Look 5 years out to see where the full ramifications will be. Foreign investment capital has already deserted Canada. The Euros are plunking money into the USA at record rates. Canada used to get a slice of that. Many simply think Canada can wait Trump out. It certainly appears to me that Trump has a business plan and is executing on it. Turdeau’s business plan is simply increasing taxes so he can spend more. Not a serious discussion. Laughable.

    1. “Trump skewered Canada as soon as he lowered USA Corporate tax rates. It was the only serious differential in the competing cost structure. ”

      Well, there is another one: regulatory compliance….especially labour and environmental bullshit. And when Trump started de-clawing the EPA commies, he gave US manufacturers a huge advantage over Canadian competitors.

  27. Steven Poloz says it’s not necessary to raise mortgage rates, but we’ll do it anyways. Jobs fleeing, mortgage rates soaring, citizens at each other’s throats. It’s like Pierre never left.

    1. So. The Democraps insisted that … ewwww … a “businessman” … would make a horrible President. While they fawn and fall all over the rank unqualified dance teacher with really nice hair. As they fawned and fell for a half-white, half-wit, with -0- job experience outside his monthlong adjunct professorship. Enough said.

  28. At this point whether you agree or disagree on who screwed up, its obvious it is the eleventh hour and team Sockmonkey has until the end of the week to indicate whether we are in or out of the NAFTA replacement.
    Judging by the response from team Sockmonkey its also obvious they where not prepared for what is currently happening. There is also a great amount of oxygen being used up by the Sockmonkey and his team to stress that supply management is not going to be sacrificed. You have to wonder, as we know liberals only plan for one outcome, and they have already scripted part of their election strategy on keeping supply management intact. Now if it came to a choice of throwing everyone else under the bus to keep S-M would the liberals do it.
    Now if this is the meme everyone is running with, sit down and take a breath, clear your mind and recall what Trump said about the NAFTA replacement. Specifically that this is the deal that is replacing NAFTA and if you don’t sign on (whether we like the new deal or not) we have nothing.
    Trump does not care how this effects Canada’s political land scape so if team Sockmonkey starts making demands Trump will shut Canada out.
    Liberals got played, they don’t like admitting it, it kills the “stand up to Trump” narrative, but they need to get over the butt hurt and accept it.

    1. I think Trump cares a little about affecting the Canadian political landscape because Juthtin and Chrithia are not well-liked down there. I mean the Americans do their homework. They know the background, the history of these two in minute detail, not to mention King POS himself, G Butts. Is there anything to like or respect about this collection of self-righteous dick beaters?

  29. The situation is rather troubled for the near and mid (whatever that means) future.
    The US/Mexico deal was predictable. Mexico was always in a win-win situation, as the newspeak goes. They have and had nothing to lose.
    The Mexicans can’t buy the expensive (for them) stuff from the US. They can sell just about anything to the US. The trade deficit will always be on US side.

    We in this country have little and no hope with current government and its alternative.
    We have no alternative.

    As it is well known to the informed, the US population is ten times that of Canada.
    US does not need us to have an economy. This is not a hard rock claim, though it is close to it.
    Many, possibly majority of goods coming to Canada are bought by US companies doing business in this country.
    A negotiated “free trade” is not a free trade. That would be another term from the newspeak dictionary.
    The only negotiation in a free trade would have to be, no subsidies, no duties. Unlikely to happen, very unlikely. It’s where the politicians maneuver to get elected.

    An actual free trade with the US could be possibly a boom to Canada, think of the 350 million people marketplace. All you have to do is to outdo the Americans.

    As it is the US is not going to bloody negotiate LGXYZ, women’s stuff, the AGW and other such socialist airy nonsense.
    We, as one alert correspondent have said, have a “crack” team of negotiators that don’t know dick.
    An unfortunate situation that is not going to be remedied for years, perhaps only if the government runs out of other people’s money sooner rather than later.

    As long as the masses are given free stuff in increasing quantities, the country is doomed.

    This is simply an observation, not a “political science”, another newspeak term.

    1. @ 12::47 Lev

      ” … think of a 350 million.. marketplace…
      the US is not going to negotiate LGXYZ, women’s stuff, the AGW and other such socialist airy nonsense.”

      That is bang on Lev, I like your referral of socialist stuff being called “airy.” Some negotiations can be detailed enough like as in things as quantity, quality, money exchange rate, expected date of delivery, exceptions to said contract, insurance on said delivery and so on.

      What our politicians are doing is irrelevant and even shameful. Business is business…. and just “think of a 350 million marketplace.”
      You got that right.

      P.S. If I may, with all due respect, we would probably be more qualified to do this NAFTA deal, and as well, all or any of the S.D.A. contributors.

  31. Throwing the Ontario auto industry under the bus is going to make for a very bumpy ride for the #Libranos. I can’t see it making sense in order to appease the Quebec dairy mafia.

    *unless…

    Unless it’s being done intentionally to punish Ontario for voting for Doug Ford’s Conservatives, and his undoing of the carbon offsets game, and unwillingness to go along with a carbon tax.

    Is it worth it to sink the entire country? Anything is game to a #Librano in search of power.

    Anything.

    *Will this fiscal fiasco push for western separation? Break it up, it’s broken.

    2. @ 2:08 pm Jamie Macmaster

      Augh ….Augh Augh…. Augh Augh…
      Gluteus Maximus for maximum effect….
      Now wait till Andrew Scheer sees this!

      ( heh, heh! Oh well at least you passed the test with Ken Kulak, he might’ve given you heck too! I guess not today!)

  33. Folks, just cannot resist snipping a comment and a subsequent reply from a CBC article on this topic. The comment:

    “Well documented that Robert Lightizer , Trump and top us trade officials dont like CF at all. WHY SEND HER BACK THEN????????”

    The stupid reply from another CBC reader:

    “She’s been at the forefront of trade from the beginning. She’s also working incredibly hard and doing her best. I’m wishing her well, as our country relies on her success.”

    How can anyone be so colossally stupid? Is this truly how many Canadians think? Are we supposed to just follow Trudeau and his band of high school amateurs off a cliff?

    As Kate’s headline says, Canada is engaging in the Art of the Fail.

  35. 5) allow U.S. banks to operate in Canada (financial sector). Hmmm I always wondered how Canada measured their economy, they don’t have the same reporting structure.. In the USA all banking & financial sectors MUST report @ close of each Business day (M2 & M1, M3 & L)… The economic picture is real and in real time… Does Canada have a fake economic picture and they just print Money to keep the country warm & fussy… Banks are really Government currency distributers… Odd… Maybe that is why Justin claimed Canadian budgets balance themselves…Who cares if nobody knows

  39. How does the next president go back to caving? If it’s a Democrat? How do they sell out their union supporters? If it’s a Republican, how do they sell out their principles?

    Ha ha ha! JKLOL! Selling out is what they do best!

  40. In the mean time, our PM will be visiting a group of high school students in the morning and a paper mill in the afternoon. Always on the job. I hope Canadians take note of his priorities as the trade vice begins to close.

  41. Less than 50% of BC’s forest products still go the the US with the majority now going to Asia. That will only increase in the future. US tariffs on Canadian Softwood lumber at present market conditions are a non item to Canadian producers, simply a tax on US consumers. Canada’s largest lumber companies have bought up US Mills and now enjoy Trump’s gift (one man’s tariff is another man’s subsidy). No Canadian government (provincial jurisdiction) could give the US what they want and satisfy their producers as much as I would love to see Canada’s forests privatized (which still wouldn’t satisfy their rent seekers). For protectionists, there’s always a “subsidy” lurking somewhere.

    Every actual conservative / libertarian would love to see the Dairy cartel shut down but the three major political parties have been bought off so that’s not going to happen, unless the reality of tariffs on Autos sink in and the Spawn decides to go to the right of the Red Tories thereby clinching the next election.

    Points 3 and 4 can likely be resolved and point 5, first I’ve hear of it and I doubt it is a US deal-breaker. We already have Power Corp. to dispense political power. Who wants JPMC.

    1. “We already have Power Corp. to dispense political power.” You nailed it. That is exactly how it works here. Power Corp. is the boss of the Laurentian Elite compact.

  42. Incredible…all this time for Shitty NAFTA. Because that’s what this stupid bilateral piece of crap is. Now with more North American auto content required AND a minimum floor of 16$ an hour for Mexican employees. The former increase in mandated North American content (up by 12.5 percentage points) is worse than it appears because it only applies to the US and Mexico

    To be clear, all that stuff about Trump aiming for real, free trade was a LIE. And if you only just found that out, you’re retarded. You lack basic thinking skills.

    1. OK WTF. So your position is that having mexicans work for mere pesos an hour building cars is a good thing? If so please explain how that benefits either Canada or the US. Trump has said he wants FAIR trade and he’s been unwavering on that.

    2. Well clear the floor, Unme is the expert du jour on trade.

      Well, well, well.

      Typical, you and the lefty dimbulbs still don’t get it. Trump is getting the deal he wants. And it doesn’t matter what you think. It won’t be FFFFFair, or even, or nice, or a trade off, so poor little Juth-tin will either have to throw Quebec under the bus or Ontario under the bus.

      Beer and popcorn time. The deal would have been better if Boy warrior had not of had his silly PR stunt after the G7. Silly little knt.

      1. Thats about the end result isn’t it.

        PM Sockmonkey is left with few options and everyone of them leaves him with a political price of having to deliver bad news to the folks that vote liberal.
        If he chooses to “stand up to Trump” ™ that would be a short lived instant gratification but would leave Canada out of any trade agreement. It would be sacrificing the country to salvage the Sockmonkey’s conceit.
        If he chooses to make the concession, he looks weak (he hid in the closet weak) and he has to throw one or more of the “liberal protected species” of Canadian politics under the bus. None of these options are the ones the liberals ever want to do and they have until friday to decide.
        At this point I pray that the collateral damage they caused will be minimal and we make it to the next federal election when hopefully team Sockmonkey will be relegated to the riding of Papineau..

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