37 Replies to “Trade War: China vs. America”

  1. It’s time to stop treating China as though it was a functioning democracy with free-speaking intelligentsia. If it had been isolated as was done with the former Soviet Union, Xi would not be the political and now military strongman with whom Trump must contend.

    1. Was the former USSR isolated? Reagan engaged them all the time, much to the chagrin of some hawks at the time.

      1. Start reading some history books.

        The former Soviet Union was never treated as a power with which one could trade or even hold regular and productive talks with.

        It eroded from within and – with no money to keep it afloat (unlike China) – it collapsed.

      2. Exports of high technology were extremely restricted during the Cold War. The US was able to enforce this because they were the source of most of high technology goods including computers. There was only a slight let up in these restrictions during detente ( for example, CAT scanners could not be exported, because they had a fairly sophisticated computer in them) but they were very strong during Reagan’s term. In addition they were economically isolated and given none of the advantages of the western trading system, Including participation in the Marshall plan.

    2. I’m not sure China will ever change. There has always been a centralized bureaucratic regime, often called dynasties in the past. Currently, we have the RED dynasty. The bureaucrats who used to be called Mandarins are now communist cadre apparatchiks, performing the same role.
      https://www.britannica.com/topic/Chinese-civil-service
      A period of upheaval and fragmentation between feuding war lords leads to the asertion of a new dynasty.

  2. I stopped when the video guy basically claimed that America would win a trade war because they import more from China.

    America is not hurting China with its tariffs nearly as much as its hurting itself. Imports are the entire point of trade. Trade wars are an exercise in competitive self destruction, nothing more. Whatever benefits the US got from its tax cuts are being eaten up by these import taxes, which might partly explain why US economic growth remains poor and FDI contracted last year.

      1. Unfortunately Robert, UnMe has a valid point on this subject.
        The ‘unfortunate’ part is when this causes upheaval in the American economy which
        hurt us as well.

        1. Oh no that’s nothing. The REALLY unfortunate part is when the economic negatives of Trump’s spending binge and protectionism pushes voters who are already sour on the guy to go with whatever they perceive to be the ‘opposite’, much like in 2009. The Progopolypse will likely be soon upon us, and I am afraid. It’s thanks to Kate and the other tools that supported the Orange Creature.

    2. The Chinese business model, like the German one, is reducing nations to debt-peonage while they accumulate the wherewithal to fight wars against nations who refuse to bend the knee, and win. Their goal is, bluntly, the enslavement of mankind.

      Do you know how the Roman Empire collapsed? Free trade. In those days it was through the Silk Road, by which Rome shipped all its gold to China in exchange for luxuries. Eventually Roman soldiers refused to accept base metal as payment, and joined the barbarians, who owed nothing to the Chinese.

      Not this time. A country that values its independence will walk away and prepare for war with China. Trump is already working on it. He understands that the US will get rid of China or China will get rid of the US.

      (But then, you are obviously convinced, just like the CBC and the Muslims, that it’s the Jews who want to take over the world. The Chinese benefit greatly from your thinking that, no matter how obvious it gets that Israel just wants to be left in peace.

      Naturally, there will no place for Jews in the Pax Sinica even as slaves.)

      1. “Do you know how the Roman Empire collapsed? Free trade. ”

        ITT, historically illiterate mongoloids.

      2. Your knowledge of history, especially Chinese history, is abysmal. I have no idea where you got your crap from.
        Gibbon marked the fall of the Western Roman Empire in 476, when the last Roman empire was overthrown. As a matter of fact, the decay of Rome happened before that. The Roman citizens became too self indulgent, and left soldiering mostly to romanized barbarians, who chose the emperor from amongst them. Odoacer was merely the first not to recognize the tradition of Rome.
        No matter. In the period from 386 to 589 A.D., that is, at the exactly same time frame in history, China had its own barbarian invasion. The end result was that the Chinese were chased south of the Yangtze, and the barbarians ruled the north. (Almost the same situation as in Europe, except there it was east-west.) In Chinese history this period is known as the South and North Kingdoms. It was a period of exceptional turmoil in what is now China, and Chang’An (now Xi’An) the ancient capital of the Han dynasty and eastern terminus of the silk road, had long been in the hands of the barbarians. Considering what was happening in both China and Europe in that two hundred years span, I doubt much trade at all was conducted between the two.
        Rome fell due to free trade with China? That is hilariously inventive, and historically absurd.

  3. *
    “Unfortunately Robert, UnMe has a valid point on this subject.”

    you’re gonna take geopolitical advice from the knucklehead
    who thinks opioid dealers who traffic illegal firearms are
    stalwarts of our economy? seriously?

    ps… my personal favourite unme rant is him sh!tting on
    “mothers against drunk driving.”

    wake up and smell the imbecility.

    *

  5. Well bless my soul, I had a sneaking suspicion that Trump and his advisers had a better understanding of the game than the idiots at CNN and MSNBC … and McSillysocks.

    1. the strongest opinions on many subjects are from those who know the least. Undork is a prime example !!!

  6. Interesting. It jives quite nicely with the talk I attended from Steven Harper on international trade .. He maintained Trump is right on trade among other things . Of course he doesn’t speak with the authority of an UnMe nor the dotard we have presently leading our country. And according to Polaz , well so much investment is coming to Canada we need to raise interest rates . I’m sure it will all ” balance ” itself .And Kate , I didn’t realize you had enough influence to get Trump elected . That’s impressive !

  7. – And why the U.S. is winning the trade war? Against all of us, not just China? Real simple – they’re the customer, and they can take their wallet elsewhere.

    1) All of the Free Trade Agreements were tailored to make it cheaper to sell stuff to the U.S. U.S. bigshots loved FTA’s because they could make $hit cheaper overseas, sell it for the same price at home and pocket the difference. Ergo, making cars and parts in Mexico where the workers earn a couple bucks an hour and could care less about pollution (Swine Flu, as an example). Of course, this necessarily entailed exporting American jobs – the bigshots (and their boughten politicians) could care less, and could care less about how seriously eroded the U.S. tax base has become – if taxes on the 1% get too onerous, they can afford to leave. And China had vast chunks of yankee dolla’ pouring in – yeah China is plotting to take-over the world, they’ve owned it all for centuries – just ask them. A bit of reading on OBOR will ruin your breakfast.

    2) China wants to become a world hi-tech power – but they’ve got a little problem; and again, they’re not the only ones, Japan (and others) played the same games in their day. China is not a high-tech place – simply because (as the USSR did) it’s WAAAY, WAAAY cheaper to steal tech from overseas than it is to develop it yourself. The USSR developed ~3% of their high tech weaponry, and stole the rest from the free world at pennies on the dollar. China has an even bigger stumbling-block to developing its own – why would any Chinese company waste money developing high tech when the other Chinese companies will just steal it from them? MAJOR wet blanket on R&D, and it’s endemic to how China does business; that’s what massive corruption and government-sponsored theft of intellectual property does to one.

    So the effect of the Trade War is 1) to dry-up China’s incoming money, and 2) to strangle their access to western high-tech. It’s this last one that has them really hopping mad – without high tech, China will never be able to face the West on an equal footing – and they can’t develop it at nearly the speed the West can. This is the REAL reason all western companies are required to transfer tech and partner with Chinese locals – when the deal goes south (which it’s guaranteed to), the Chinese partner walks away laughing with everything in his name. And we fall for it, everytime – as Vlad Lenin put it, “When the time comes to hang the capitalists, they’ll be eager to sell us the rope.”

    1. Exactly.

      All the lies the left tell about the Jews—how they’re clannish, heartless, cheap and untrustworthy, how they are somehow convinced they are a master race fated to rule the world, and how they must be driven from the face of the earth if mankind is to have any chance of survival—is the plain, honest truth about the Chinese. Of course, pointing out the Chinese menace is racist, while Jew-hatred is a prerequisite of respectability in globalist circles.

  8. And guess who the New York Pravda(Times)and Fake News Network(CNN)will support knowing their already too far left for recovery

  10. “They are a master race fated to rule the world,” A Canadian
    Please explain the role of & the connection to George Soros & the OLD group of Zionist Communist (Ann Frank) Jews that do want to Rule the World….They claim that they are not part of Israel, or the 12 tribes….ARE THEY JEWS OR NOT?

    Laugh of the day….Freeland says Canada is concerned about the Russian Pipe Line to Germany! WHY?

    a) She realizes that Canada bought a load of Crap from the EU/UN Global Warming Scam…Germany is building & Canada is Stopping

    b) She just has a sore ass….

  11. Y.KNOTT,,, Well done Sir
    It would also help to understand that the Japanese & China economic fundamentals are not the same as our “Cost Plus”.. They drive the numbers backwards & a 10% loss of US dollars has a huge impact on their economy, The natural unpopularity of China goods in America during a trade war… multiply everything…..

  12. Factories will be built in the US with significant automation. Smaller needs for a better educated labor force than illiterate chinese peasants who cannot provide consistent quality.
    The need for China to produce goods is rapidly diminishing when the US will be able to create those goods themselves.

  13. Sadly, automation won’t help – and I don’t know if at the end of it, the U.S. will win the Trade War; it’s just as likely to prove a war everybody loses, real effective in the short-term but what then?

    Automation has a whole lot to offer, but… Many, many years ago I read H. Ross Perot on GM and car-making robots in that magazine I dare not be caught with by my better-half (I don’t know what her problem is – I only buy it for the articles…). Robots never tire, they never get distracted, they never get pi$$ed-off and $crew-up deliberately, never go on strike, never sneak-out on Friday (or Thursday) to get an early start on their weekend or come-in still drunk on Monday (or Tuesday) – and they also never get a paycheque and never buy your product. Don’t think they pay taxes, either.

    My BIG worry is that the Trade War will be too effective, and torpedo the Chinese economy – which would be an easy thing to do; a planned economy works until it doesn’t, and China’s is fraying around the edges. And Xi CAN NOT lose face; and if the Politburo was facing crushing unemployment and mass unrest at home, they could easily decide to pull a tried-and-true leaf from South America’s book, and start a war to take their people’s minds off their troubles; Taiwan would be an obvious first target, then fire-up their agitprop machine and “pay back Japan” for stuff their great-grandfathers did. Just like BLM – “You should pay us NOW for stuff we suffered a hundred years before momma was born!!!”

    Old Chinese curse – “May you live in interesting times”…

    1. Yes, “automation”. Machines building everything, and consuming nothing.

      I have always wondered why farmers slit their own throats by agreeing that bigger was better. The end game of that, is that North America requires only one combine harvester, that is run automatically by a computer. When you get to that point, the questions are; who gets to build the single combine? Who owns the farm? Who gets to own the single combine? Since it was built by robots, run by robots, who even has the money to buy the food? Who has the money to buy the single combine that harvests the continent automatically?

      I have seen photographs of my great grand fathers, with crews of hundreds of men, even more horses, carts, binders, wagons, harvesting a quarter in a days or week long operation. Now, I drive by fields where a single truck is parked, and a single combine with the lone driver is doing the entire quarter in less than one day. One guy running the combine, the truck, the auger, the dryers…

      When everyone is unemployed…

      1. I include this phenomenon n my assertion that one day in the future, ALL assets and resources of ANY kind, incl abstract stuff like copyrights, radio frequencies, satellite orbits etc . . . . are owned by a few thousand individuals, in an ever decreasing uber elite.

        everything owned by an unknown, hidden, isolated, infinitesimal group.

        the rest of us RENT everything but the clothes on our back.

        rent the accommodations, appliances, vehicles, entertainment, etc etc. we will even RENT our ‘workspace’ as part of the competition for jobs.

  14. At the end of the day, everyone wants the same thing; other people to give them money, so they can live a life of leisure, while telling everyone else what to do. Failing that, to be left alone, make enough to live, and have kids stay off their lawn.

    Eventually, China may get there. Eventually, we all may. But until then, ponder what kind of people are attracted to an occupation, which gives you personal control over other people. Because that is what “public service” is; a career that gives you power and authority over other people.

    I wonder what kind of people are attracted to jobs that give you unsupervised access to, and authority over, children? You know, jobs like “Catholic Priest”, or “school teacher”, or “social worker”.

    Anyone or group you have ever given a political donation to, is likely comprised of mainly dark triad personalities. Everyone here who worshiped at the feet of Brad Wall; what kind of person is drawn to politics?

    Narcissists
    Machiavellians
    Psychopaths
    sadists; seems like 99% who have tenure at any university in the world today (and just everyone at UC Berkeley).

    Sadist seems to describe the entire phenomenon of social justice. The profs who corralled Lindsey Shepherd. Everyone at any pride parade ever. Charles Manson. Auntie Maxine. Weinstein. Weiner. Clinton. Trudeau. Morneau. Seems like “sadist” is a description that fits almost every politician and civil servant I have ever heard of.

    Sadism seems to describe the modus operandi of everyone’s favourite regulator here in Canada; the CSA. Seems to describe the EPA, the IRS, … almost every judge I have ever read about ruling that groping people at public pools is fine if you don’t understand English…

  15. Our company (high tech) deals with the Chinese. They are horrible. Only care about themselves. Steal our IP any chance they get. Engineers there are overrated. Very unfair in terms of market access. And so on.

    Trump gets it. The Chinese are getting a wake-up call and they deserve every last ounce of it.

  16. I worked as an engineer at a tier 1 supplier to the big three. One of my coworkers went to China for a week of meetings. While he was there he saw a car in the parking lot that was still in testing here in the states (still in the covers and foam to hide the shape stage.) it was badged in a Chinese company’s name. To make that car they would have to had access to the CAD, something we had troubles getting sometimes, and we had one of the prototypes in our garage. The car wasn’t set to be released in the states for several several years.

    No, they don’t steal other people’s stuff.

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