The Conservatives have taken the Quebec riding of Chicoutimi-Le Fjord from Justin Trudeau’s Liberals in a byelection taking place against a backdrop of a deepening trade dispute with the United States.
Conservative candidate Richard Martel took a commanding early lead and never looked back. The former junior hockey coach defeated Liberal Lina Boivin. The NDP and Bloc Quebecois vote essentially disappeared on Monday night leaving the race as a two party contest. This is the first byelection loss of a Liberal seat since Trudeau became leader in 2013.
The byelection was called because of the resignation of Liberal MP Denis Lemieux. He had won this riding with only 31 per cent of the vote in 2015. It was previously held by the NDP.
h/t Official Results
So we are to try trust that Scheer will turn into a conservative once he fools Quebec by giving into them by demoting Mad Max and bowing to the dairy lobby?
Yaaaay.
Scheer has already lost the plot, there is no conservative turnaround coming in Canada.
BTW, from the article :”Although he didn’t name U.S. President Donald Trump, Trudeau did say that name-calling and verbal insults are not the way to conduct political decision-making.”
No, of course not, we all know the liberal way is brown envelopes stuffed full of cash, brown skinned hookers and immigrants, and lots of other brown stuff that only a liberal could love. Name-calling and verbal insults are just everyday conversation for liberals.
there must actually be a conservative and a conservative party in order to have a conservative turn around.
Oh, that’s painful.
Ouch!
But true.
What Trudeau mistakes as insults are simple statements of fact. Trump will not negotiate with globalist lowlives. His interest is in defeating them. Once someone not in the pocket of the Chinese oligarchy is back in charge in Canada, we can have trade negotiations in good faith.
I look forward to his reactions to the “insults” he’ll hear as he and his darling Gerry are hauled off to whatever justice has in store for them.
Justin, Gerry and Sophie being stuffed alive into body bags and buried without ceremony in the Lower St. Lawrence—now THAT will something worth watching on the CBC.
A Canadian.
Tone it down buddy. You want a visit from the rcmp?
Gerry and Justin are not getting hauled off anywhere,that isn’t how the system works in any civilized country.
It’s only in those awful Third World countries where they’re SO unsophisticated as to drag the former government into the streets and shoot them.
Gerry will probably become Justin’s Riding assistant when and IF, BIG IF, Trudeau is defeated next year. And it will do us no good to have a PM Scheer who is beholden to the Quebec dairy cartel that pisses Trump off so much.
Next year we might trade a Liberal government for a Liberal-lite government. Then again, we might not.
By what faith are you assured we are and will remain a “civilized country”?
When we have whole groups who are above or exempt the laws that apply to the rest of us,civil society can vanish in very short time spans.
Currently the takers are thriving,the makers are struggling.
Usually does not end well.
My favorite Justin Trudeau quote from the article: “Canadians pull together when we are attacked,” he said. “We truly pull together when things matter.”
Well, SOME of us do! In the worst attack in history, when all Canadians “pulled together”, your Daddy did NOT “pull together”, but dodged the draft and I guess, pulled separately.
Trudeau needs to be attacked for his constant referrals to Canadian unity in times of crisis, because he was raised by a man who obviously didn’t believe in unity, just saving his own selfish a$$. Justin is his daddy’s boy, raised to believe that the laws and rules are for the little people, not the elite, like him.
The obvious remedy to Sheer not being “conservative enough” is to turn Canada into a bankrupt kleptocracy, run by raving socialist totalitarians (perhaps I repeat myself).
Yes, makes perfect sense. Keep at it folks, I’m sure you’ll find a way to torpedo any chance of loosening this country from the clutches of Trudeau and his ilk. How comforting going into an election year.
We’ve got a choice of three parties: full speed ahead straight into the socialist swamp (NDP), pretend they’re not driving straight ahead (though they certainly are) and maybe 5 mph slower (Liberal), and desperately try to make everyone believe they’ll only drive maybe 7.5 mph slower but otherwise still full ahead (Conservative).
Where’s the damned choice for “STOP AND TURN THE FREAKING CAR AROUND!” There ain’t one. This country doesn’t truly want one.
So give the country what it wants. Maybe then the voters will learn there’s no such thing as a free lunch.
Have the Venezuelans learned?
Destined for greatness? Born 1,273 years after his ancestor Charles Martel (688-741) aka Charles the Hammer ruled the Franks. His most famous battle was known as the Battle of Tours in 732-33 where they defeated the Spanish Muslim invaders. Later his son Charlemagne uniteď the Franks into one country, aka France.
Could he be a future Prime Minister of Canada, with those bloodlines?
He is a hockey coach, so he would therefore have leadership skills.
The photo of the winner from Chicoutimi- Le Fjord, Richard Martel, resembles the aforementioned ancestors’ paintings. (Genetics never lie)
Bonnie Chance/ Good Luck and Congratulations Richard the Hammer.
That’s wonderful: “Richard the Hammer” — hope that evolves into hammering the Liberals.
Yes. It probably is. The criminal province of Quebec will never stop voting Librano. a few times a decade, they will game the system a bit, to keep other parties under their thumb. But that is all this is.
If there is even one chance that a liberal could lose an election seat, because of the American trade disputes;
Keep it Going,
We could argue over diapers, wood chips or pain pills, etc. etc..
Asswipe, 2×4’s, Japanese cars made in Ontario. (For now)
Oh, the, ah, pain pills will keep coming. Chinese online vendors will be happy to send you a shipment of elephant tranquilizer sufficient to kill every man, woman and child in Canada.
The faster Americans and Canadians kill themselves with made-in-China synthetic opiates, the faster they can be replaced with a proletariat more to the globalists’ requirements of docility and stupidity.
Vote accordingly.
A Canadian:
Do issue a retraction from your statement @ 9:10 a.m. it is most offensive.
Take heed of abtrapper’s wise advice @ 10:33 a.m. troll.
People that comment here are civil.
Anoymus, tend to your own business. A. Canadian just erred by not including Cheers
Ya know, the Maxime Affair pissed me off, and will continue to do so. But when it comes to the time I walk into a voting booth…there is no other choice. You can whine all ya like in your beer or dbl dbl, and then what..??
Vote for the Kalistani Terror sympathizer..?
Or the Current Dipshit again..?
No, you will swallow your indignance and vote Conservative.
That DAIRY MARKETING requires dismantling goes without saying….and who knows…if Trump follows through re the Auto pact… the old push comes to shove..? all bets are off.
Scheer is NOT my guy – Max is and always will be..but there is much more at stake here.
My take
I had to face this a while back provincially. Party insiders pushed the idea of trying to appeal to federal Liberal voters by choosing a libshit red tory. I felt it was better to sit out one election and let the NDP have it rather than being offered nothing but libshits on the ballot to the end of time.
Still holding out a faint hope that Scheer idiot is just an opportunist who weaseled a shot at a position well above his skills or charisma, and will govern like a Conservative (or let the real Conservatives govern) rather than face a revolt. Half the party had Bernier as first choice. A last minute sex scandal and replacement is probably not something we want to make a habit of.
Funny thing is that Justincompetent probably could have kept Dairy Quotas in place by explaining to Trump the cost of unwinding it, now the can of worms is open, and I sense a can of Whoop-Ass is next.
Agree. Pragmatism must have a place. This war must be fought one battle at a time over the long term.
There is a reasonable argument to stay home, refuse to vote for a Scheer led Conservative party and “let it burn”.
Ontario only woke up after their province got fiscally burned to a crisp.
Scheer has already sold out, he’s just a plain crooked politician who openly took a bribe from the dairy farmers and rubbed our faces in it. I don’t think I can hold my nose enough to get over that.
Don’t forget he also sold us out on the Paris Accord fraud.
Yep, my take,too,thanks for stating it clearly.
I’m voting Christian Heritage Party. There is always another choice.
I once tried to tell a chp candidate the ONLY chance they EVER had in 100 years to get some seats in the commons was to push for proportionate representation. the ‘christian’ candidate then chose to fling an insult at me.
optics . . . . optics . . . . .
are the kristian heritagers DBS supporters like many, if not most churches????
Facts of life are conservative.
Limbaugh.
I think that was Margaret Thatcher actually.
But but but Trump………….
What was the worst consequence of picking Joe Who? Was it Mulroney, or having Joe Who?
Waiting for the round the clock avalanche of media coverage explaining that this was a referendum on Trudeau’s leadership…..
You will be waiting for a while, a long while.
I simply couldn’t stomach another four years of Trudeau and his insane cabinet so will vote for Scheer.
Voting is rarely a perfect choice but Scheer is far better than Trudeau. I know that might not be saying much but you have to work with what you’ve got.
Also you might be surprised how much influence you can have if you get involved at the riding level with the Conservative party.
I can tell you from first hand experience that the Conservatives are far more open to ideas and grassroots input than the Liberals. The Liberals are elitist bastards whereas if you put in some effort in your riding to help the Conservatives out then any input you have will get to Scheer I can guarantee you.
Trudeau is the worst PM we have ever had and I for one cannot wait to see him gone along with his high school cabinet.
It is simply nonsense to call Andrew Scheer a “Red Tory”. Why do I think so? Because Atlantic Canada, along with part of Ontario, has more than its fair share of “Red Tories” and *none* of them consider Scheer to be one of them. Andrew Scheer, it seems to me, has tried to hold together the Conservative coalition much in the matter followed by former Prime Minister Stephen Harper. One can complain that Mr Harper was not sufficiently aggressive in pursuing a Conservative agenda (although it should be noted that it was not until his third mandate that he had a majority in the Commons and faced biased and hostile media on every issue he took on throughout his time as Prime Minister). Mr Harper moved slowly (perhaps too slowly), carefully, and methodically to end the grain monopoly of the Canadian Wheat Board. No “Red Tory” would have done such a thing. The Quebec dairy cartel needs to be approached in a similar manner. Maxime has many good ideas, and he expresses them forcefully, but he frightens the horses and he has a strange understanding of cabinet solidarity. As such, from his place on the back benches, he is free to express himself on the reform and/or abolition of supply management. It is vital that we rid ourselves of the corrupt and authoritarian Trudeau government. After that, the pressure of trade negotiations with the USA and the EU will provide one of a number of opportunities to scale back the power of the dairy cartel.
Maybe Bernier could use his influence and expertise to assist with the problems the US administration has with our dairy subsidies/tariffs, given its ground zero is in Quebec.
Wouldn’t that be better than sniping from the sidelines or forming one’s own peanut gallery while crying about losing the party leadership?
Conservatives helping Conservatives, what a concept.
yah shamrockhead, butt what conservatives are you honking about, the ones in your dreams
Quoth Roseberry: “Maxime has many good ideas, and he expresses them forcefully, but he frightens the horses and he has a strange understanding of cabinet solidarity. ”
Indeed. Actually, I think Scheer made a good move demoting him. The spotlight needs to stay on Trudeau–he is doing such a good job of making himself look ridiculous–and internal Conservative squabbles will turn the spotlight on them.
Bernier is just not a team player. Michael Chong, he of the arguably even more controversial carbon tax idea–knows how to work for the team rather than for himself. Bernier seems to not know this. Same bad judgement that he showed leaving documents at his biker-chick girlfriend’s place back in the day.
There are no choices. Canada is a progressive country. We have 2 left wing parties. We are governed by liberals 70+% of the time. There are so few actual conservatives in the Cadaday that to win government the stars have to align – perfectly.
Scheer is what passes for a conservative in Canada. The party embraces those with a more conservative view point and as Mulroney pointed out, ” politics is the art of the possible”. Meaning on rare occasion a conservative viewpoint will prevail.
So yeah stay home with your protest vote. I tried that a few times and destroyed my ballot in protest on other occasions. What did it get me? Absolutely nothing. Your a statistic and the candidate you dislike gets your vote.
I well remember during the Conservative run for leader not many here were supportive of Bernier because he was from Quebec. The winner had to be from the West.
How things change!
Being from Southern Alberta, I truly hoped Max would win. His accent was quite thick (then again, so was Chretien’s) but I found myself agreeing with many of his position points. Also being from Quebec, I thought he could bring many right-of-center Quebecers, Ontarians and Maritimers into the Conservative fold. More so than a Westerner could (hey, I’m a pragmatist!) I just find it a bit ironic that Quebec dairy farmers helped get a Saskatchewan MP elected leader of the Conservative party over someone from Quebec.
Another reason for hoping Max would win was the inevitability of the CBC continuously running film of that total smoke show he was dating during the time of his “big scandal”
yup Chris, there’s a few in here who don’t like big tits as well:-)))
I don’t understand all this pro-Bernier anti-Scheer stuff. Bernier has baggage; he voted to separate in the Quebec referendum. He proved himself untrustworthy with gov’t documents, he was unsuccessful at keeping his marriage together and always seems to be with a different woman. His only claim to fame around here is his opposition to the Canadian milk and feathers quota system (which exists in all of Canada by the way).
On the other hand, Scheer seems to be content to stand on the sidelines and not get dirty while the liberal machine comes off the tracks. Personally, he is scandal-free. He supports one of the few sectors of Canadian ag that has been historically stable. Seems to me he is biding his time.
And we bad mouth him instead of supporting him. Unbelievable – we conservatives seem like petulant children who, if we don’t get everything we want, we run off the field and give the other team the advantage. Shameful.
We seem to be the ones bent on eating our own.
Howard
These are good points.
Two of the most redeeming qualities of conservatives compared to the left is that we are free thinkers and we have core principles that we readily stand by.
Unfortunately these sometimes become our greatest liabilities when swimming in the messy sewage of politics, full of liberal snakes who would happily sell their grandmothers for a vote.
So yes we should back Scheer I agree.
That said he is too weak on some positions. Example, he says no carbon tax – good! – but then nonetheless bows down at the global warming altar regarding emissions reduction. Instead he should lay out how much the green fascists have already cost Canadians and say he will no longer support the deployment of tax dollars toward the fraud.
I agree with many of the points regarding Scheer. However, he has gone after JT on a number of points (returning ISIS fighters e.g.) but our overlords in the media filtered those out. BUT…we do have some truly gifted, intelligent, and tenacious PC MP’s, and they would be a whole lot better in power than the Jr High student council we have now. Liberals usually have one man rule. Conservatives are more likely to have party rule, or at least imput. It is because of those MP’s that I will be voting PC.
howee, rally, you vebally wank off about Bernier’s personal life. Which is not all that different from many of todays “lives”.
As to his untrustworthy, he got caught making a mistake, how many make worst mistakes and don’t get caught.
Maybe you should go to Walmart and buy a life and some smarts, maybe they have a 2 for price of 1 sale going. It’s simple minded rectums like you that are the problem on the conservative side of the aisle>
Good points, Howard. I quite like Scheer–he seems to be very intelligent and very prudent. We conservatives are far too quick to pick up our marbles and go home. The Liberals never do this–they would rally around a sack of potatoes–and have been eminently successful because they speak with one voice and do not fracture their party into factions or spin-offs.
Atlantic Canada aka ‘Fishworld” suffers from Stockholm Syndrome. We in the rest of Canada don’t realize how politics affects everything there. You wont get a job at the most fundamental level if your family doesn’t vote the right way. This extends right down to working at the municipal landfill.
No government in Canada will voluntarily rid itself of the marketing boards. Only when they are forced by external forces – kicking and screaming will they end. It maybe happening as we speak with this current round of NAFTA talks. My guess is that rather than accept a trade deal that eliminates the dairy quota system the government (all parties) will back away and prosperity be damned.
First an election must be fought with Trump as the boogie man and Doug Ford as boogie man lite. Mulroney (1988) fought and won a free trade election that the libranos opposed (they’ve almost always opposed free trade).
Now the libranos find themselves in the position of having to either champion free trade (without the US and it’s resultant prosperity) or some lesser trade agreements with 3rd world options. They might secretly hope the Americans just cancel NAFTA and then they can run as the champions of CANADA.
Arrrrrugh
Ah but thats the beautiful timing this go around.
Trump wants a deal that is improved and he was specific about what improvements he wanted from us.
Ditch supply management
Revise rules of origin for steel and aluminum
Add a sunset clause
These are all competing interests this side of the border and Trump knew in the Canadian political climate no politician would touch them except that without doing so NAFTA is done and the tariffs start kicking in.
The fact is that PM Sockmonkey is going to have to decide which competing interest gets thrown under the bus to keep any trade deal with the US.
In political calculus agreement to the sunset clause would be the no brainer but that only means the same scenario would present itself again.
This leaves Sockmonkey having to decide between those employed in manufacturing, those in mining, or the dairy cartel.
If this is about vote counts I would bet the dairy cartel gets thrown under the bus…..but regardless of which one the liberals will take a hit regardless.
A time of reckoning is coming for Juthtin and its not going to be pretty.
Anytime a Liberal is removed from or kept out of power is a good time.
This:
“Prime Minister Justin Trudeau has called a byelection for the Quebec riding of Chicoutimi-Le Fjord, only days after pledging $60 million in federal funding for an aluminum-smelting project in the area.”
https://www.ctvnews.ca/politics/trudeau-calls-quebec-byelection-3-days-after-pledging-60m-for-project-in-riding-1.3927579
A bribe didn’t work.
Imagine that.
Yer gotta hava better argument, works every time.
The electorate couldn’t be bribed this time.
Justin can’t argue away from that!
Would that this were a sign of things to come.
For the political junkies, here are the actual numbers:
http://enr.elections.ca/ElectoralDistricts.aspx?ed=2091&lang=e
Good win indeed for the Cons.
Those percentages are extraordinary.
………….2015 ……………2018
Lib:……31.1%…………..29.5%
Bloc:….20.5%…………….5.6%
NDP:….29.7%…………….8.7%
CPC:…..16.6%…………..52.7%
Apparently, if you’re a Liberal voter, everything is going according to plan.
Most everyone else is fed up though.
Hmmmm…. looks like everyone who voted for the fake separatists and the far left Marxist NDPee in the last election switched to voting for the “Conservatives”… Librano vote essentially stayed the same… why are far leftists voting for the Cons?
I will wait until there is an alternative. Until then, I will not support the Conservatives. I want the hard times coming to fall squarely on the shoulders of the Liberals. It took two terms of Obama to get Trump, we will have to endure. Scheer (our 2012 Romney) could do everyone a favor and just withdraw now. I will support a fringe party to steal Liberal votes rather than vote or support this Conservative farce.
The trouble is, the US was much more able to absorb two terms of Obama, Canada is so far gone that two terms of Trudeau could finish it. Two terms of Trudeau = 4 million new Liberal voters entering the country.
4 million…heaven help us!
quebek votes strategic. Of all provinces they weigh their options best. It doesn’t always work but mostly it does. They took the $60 million in funding and then turned around and bit bongo’s ass. They sent a message that even he can understand. The libranos lose quebeckie and it’s over for them.
So yeah the conservatives got 50% of the vote but next year they could get 15%. The libranos have to double down in quebek and they know it….and they will.
Jagmeat is deadmeat. Fwenchie doesn’t like him.
I was thinking that the NDP deliberately chose a “leader” like the bigoted Turban Guy knowing full well that doing so would scuttle any chance of an “orange wave” in Queerbek, once again deliberately handing over Queefbek to the globalist imbecile with the fake eyebrows and his extremist alt-left handlers… kinda like when Queerbeker Mulchair threw Queefbek votes away by supporting the Muslim hijabers over the interests of Queerbekers leaving the door wide open for the eyebrow actor. Could the Turban Guy be the Libranos secret weapon for retaining the Queeefbec vote?
“I will wait until there is an alternative. Until then, I will not support the Conservatives”
And what would that alternative look like and where will it spring from?
Conservative ideas face an uphill battle in Canada because our media here speaks with one socialistic voice. Any conservative ideas are relegated to the back pages of the business papers. It took a moderately conservative Stephen Harper to end 63 years of futility and failure that was part and parcel of the communistic Wheat Board.
I fail to see how piling on Scheer will achieve anything.
Hell by 2019 an un-sharpened fence post should be able to take down Justin and his band of clowns.
This is a huge win. If conservatives play their cards right, all your Quebec nationalists belong to us.
Remember the 1988 free trade election, when Libs and NDP were against it before they were for it, Quebec and Alberta voted overwhelmingly conservative (88 out of 101 seats). In the rest of the country conservatives only won 81 of 194 seats. Template for 2019?
If Scheer can pull off this frog-cowboy alliance I will forgive him his other sins.
“all your Quebec nationalists belong to us.”
And Trudeau gets most of the rest. Playing for Quebec, particularly their nationalists, is a terrible terrible strategy. It’s a dying sector of a province that is simply less and less important, and then the nationalists will find a reason to have a fit and move on to the next fad. The NDP went all in on Quebec and got burned possibly to death. The CPC will rue this victory.
Perhaps recent trips to the USA by Trudeau was to get the pre-payment cash to David Axelrod so he could send in the clowns at the next election. You know, like Obama did through Acorn. I’m guessing they might have just staged Richard Martel’s win just to let the Conservative guard down. Hope I am wrong but thought I’d share this as a possibility. Let the enemy think he’s winning the battle, then whack him. Those Frenchmen can be sneaky at times. One has to think of all the possibilities and think like them. I don’t trust them. Never trust them.