He believes that simple explanations for causes of obesity are inadequate and novel approaches are required for its effective management. He coined the term “Infectobesity” to describe obesity of infectious origin. Dr. Dhurandhar et al were the first to identify adipogenic effects of an avian adenovirus (SMAM-1) and a human adenovirus (Ad36) that cause obesity in animals including rodents and monkeys, and are associated with obesity in humans and non-human primates.
You said that the chickens had a lot of fat in their abdomen. Is it possible that the virus was making them fat? Interesting is right. If there’s a viral cause to some obesity, that could mean that it’s an act of God who gets fat and who stays thin. So which religion / sect will the class action suit for “you made me get fat!” focus upon?
Or will there be a mass breakout of common sense and people realising that their choices have consequences?
Ah, who am I kidding, how do I get in on the class action lawsuit on the ground level?
30% of obese subjects tested positive for the virus and 11% of the non-obese subjects also tested positive. Fascinating indeed.
If this turns out to be true then almost 1/3 of obese people are morbidly fat because they have a virus and only 1 in 10 who come in contact with the virus are immune.
I would hate to be part of that other 2/3 though. No cure for you.
I think this just might be grounded in fact. I know someone who eats KFC every day and they eventually got this fat virus….even though they ate other stuff….like lots of mashed potatoes and gravy.
Interesting studies indeed. I’d have to go back to the source articles for a more definitive evaluation. But the presentation is plausible in so far as obesity likely represents a final common pathway for a series of genetic predispositions, viral triggers, and behavioural predilections making some more susceptible to obesity for a given caloric intake vs exercise output than others. It may explain why I’ve seen some very fit individuals who have done intense boot-camp-type workouts for years but could never lose the belly fat despite being able to leave me in their dust on a cross country run. And I’ve seen people who could sit on the couch, stuffing their face, never lift a finger and remain thin as a rail. Other people just plain over eat and under exercise. So it’s unlikely to be a homogeneous condition.
it has been an observation of mine that people who are fat eat too much, too much of everything.
But maybe the virus is triggering stimulus pathways that make them overeat.
But seriously, this looks like a possible cause for some people’s obesity, and warrants further investigation.
There may be some merit to this(no reason to believe there aren’t multiple causes for obesity), but I think by far the biggest reason we see an obesity epidemic is because of societal changes. In the west, in a handful of generations, we have almost eliminated physical exertion as a daily norm and at the exact same rate created a wildly diverse availability of alluring foods at our finger-tips, all day, every day, every way.
Combine that with an absolute onslaught of marketing for “foods” with little nutritional value and I fear it will only get worse before it gets better.
I find beer makes me fat.
If your energy consumption is less than your energy expenditure then the energy stores in your body must decrease (first law of thermodynamics).
There may be many factors that give one a propensity towards obesity — who knows, maybe even a virus — but thermodynamics always has the final say.
Thermodynamics offers little help in the area of food digestion. In some people much of their caloric intake passes through their body unabsorbed while others can put on weight from a modest food intake. The human digestive system is very poorly understood and we are just waking up from the “low fat, high carb” misinformation of the past 50 years.
I demand gov’t intervention for my victimhood ! It’s not my fault that I contracted the obese virus. None of these 30lb are my fault. I demand a FREE gym membership. And not one of those 24hr public gyms where sweaty AIDS patients ooze things onto the machines. No, I demand a top shelf private club membership where really HOT 18yo daughters of the wealthy go to work out. Then, I will feel ”whole’ again. Then, I will feel the appropriate ‘reparations’ have been made. And trust me … my membership will cost a LOT less than paying all those VA executives (falsifying data to secure their) bonuses.
So being fat promotes growth of the virus instead of the virus promoting obesity. Makes sense to me.
My weight has gone up and down. LAS (lard ass syndrome) is directly related to my food consumption and inactivity brought on by getting really effing old.
This “research” seems to mistake a feature for a flaw trying to manipulate data to support a theory to create a crisis whereas the obvious is there for all to see. I use the term obvious not in the manner used by those that actually give these theories credit, but rather like the child innocently observing what the massed crowd at the pagent to pay homage to their monarchs fashion sense forcibly ignores so that they may partake of the royal favour that will be dispensed to the ones that display the most feality. All the while ignoring that the monarch isn’t wearing anything at all.
The warning is that those that would be the benefactors of government largess that would be mandated to combat this so-called crisis will be its most ferverent advocates.
Those of us that understand lifestyle choices have outcomes see it for the bs it is.
Obesity is not a flaw, its a feature.
No one puts on fat from a “modest food intake” if their energy expenditure is greater than than their energy consumption, assuming their muscle mass stays the same. It is not physically possible.
Hey!
“Robert of Ottawa; I find beer makes me fat.”
Back off, eh!! 😉
That’s heresy…
This is crazy. Everyone knows that obesity is caused by a lack of calorie information on restaurant menus.
There’s a lot of ‘correlation equals causation’ used in nutritional studies…
No one puts on fat from a “modest food intake” if their energy expenditure is greater than than their energy consumption, assuming their muscle mass stays the same. It is not physically possible.
https://intensivedietarymanagement.com/first-law-thermodynamics-irrelevant/
Why The First Law of Thermodynamics is Utterly Irrelevant
You have Calories In, Calories Out and Fat Storage. This is, of course the fatal flaw of CICO – there are two compartments where calories can go after being eaten, (Calories Out and Fat), not one. It is not a one compartment problem. CICO adherents believe you take calories in, subtract calories out and whatever is left over is dumped into fat stores like a potato into a sack. So, they believe that fat stores are essentially unregulated. Every night, like a store manager closing its books, they imagine the body counts up calories in, calories out and deposits the rest into the fat ‘bank’. Of course, nothing is further from the truth.
Consider two foods that are equal caloric values – a plate of cookies versus a salad with olive oil with salmon. As soon as you eat, the body’s metabolic response is completely different and easily measured. One will raise insulin a lot, and the other won’t. So why do we pretend like the body cares about calories. That’s like saying that foods that are blue are the same – whether they are blueberries or blue raspberry Gatorade. The body doesn’t care about color, so why would I? In the same way, the body doesn’t give two sh**s about calories, so why should we? However, the body DOES care a lot about the hormonal response to the foods we just ate.
So if someone eats 2 plates of salad/olive oil/salmon instead of one plate he loses twice as much weight? Am I following you correctly?
Haha ! … and 32oz Diet Pepsi
Virus. Of course!
This explains the “Freshman 15”
I didn’t see any reference to either Global Climate Change or the cishetero patriarchy, is this even a real study?
So if someone eats 2 plates of salad/olive oil/salmon instead of one plate he loses twice as much weight? Am I following you correctly?
Heh, nothing like being deliberately obtuse…the example proves the CICO model false. The body doesn’t treat all calories the same, obviously.
The first law of thermodynamics is not utterly irrelevant. It is the one thing that we are absolutely certain about concerning weight loss.
There are many factors that go into creating a calorie deficit, including one’s metabolism and all of the things that effect that. But don’t let these things distract from the fundamentals, which is that if you create a calorie deficit then you will lose weight.
Obtuse? I never was too sharp – sometimes I need help. You mean there IS a positive relationship between food consumption and weight gain. Glad to get that sorted out.
You mean there IS a positive relationship between food consumption and weight gain.
Oh, I thought it was calorie consumption and weight gain… lol
https://intensivedietarymanagement.com/first-law-thermodynamics-irrelevant/
So, as you reduce your caloric intake to 1200 calories in, the body is forced to reduce it’s metabolism to only 1200 calories. No energy is available anywhere else. This is precisely what happened on the Biggest Loser as seen in the study featured in the New York Times. This is also precisely what happens during any caloric reduction diet. That is why these diets are doomed to fail. Studies of this strategy estimate failure rates at 99%. Notice that the First Law of Thermodynamics is not being broken in any way. It is irrelevant.
It’s all codswallop!!! When I joined the military way back,they loved me. 5 foot,6/1/2″,135lbs. They said they would have me to 150 in no time. Over my whole 25+year career,I NEVER topped 137. Trust me,I stuffed more down my throat at breakfast then some guys ate in a whole day. They finally said my metabolism was at such a high level,that it burned off everything as fast as I ate. Bottom line,nothing proved. Then again,maybe the fact that I was always highly active in sports in my off time(provincial badminton champ before I even left high school)and carried that over,maybe,just a little bit,might have had something to do with it? They cute part was when they brought in that BMI thingie. According to mine,I should have weighed 280!!!!!!! The next one said I was OK. Different day,different test. Never did figure that out. And just as a BTW, turning 60,weigh 132,and still run a mile and a half in under 10 minutes,5 days a week,(the little school pukes hate me) without stressing a thing. Guess I was blessed.
If you DON’T over-eat you will NOT get fat; period. The nazis proved that conclusively in their WW2 concentration camps. No further study necessary on the subject of obesity … ZIP YOUR PIE HOLE AND YOU’LL LOSE WEIGHT.
The skepticism and/or denial of the results of the studies are reminiscent of the severe criticism/slander aimed at the Australian researcher who had the audacity to suggest that ulcers were caused by the e pilori bacterium and were unrelated to stress or acidic foods. What is needed is fresh air on the research to wipe away years of assumptions. And no, I have no dog in this fight.
I acquired a fitness tracker this year. It roughly tracks my calorie burn rate, how much I walk, run or bike and my sleep patterns. It also continuously monitors my heart rate. Good to know when hiking or biking so as not to exceed my upper range. A companion app on my phone displays this info in a concise form. I have also tracked my weight since last May and see a fairly level trend with no great spike over December and Christmas when I haven’t been as active as usual.
For sure… go to any KFC and see how many of the patrons are obese to see the ‘proof’….or maybe this *virus* causes people to crave junk-food and watch TV ads to see which junk-food to buy.
A picture is worth a thousand words.
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Ouch ! You had to bring dead Joos into the coversation. Despite what the Global Warmists say about me … I am NOT a denier. You are absolutely correct … eating only shoe leather will cause one to lose all of their BMI. And let’s not forget the Bataan Death March. That was another HISTORIC episode of fatal weight loss
Animals will become obese from eating too much and lazing about.
Humans will become obese from eating too mych and lazing about.
IT’S NOT A DISEASE … IT’S CALLED GLUTTONY AND SLOTH.
The calories in > than calories out meme is a false paradigm.
It has caused untold damage to health and innumerable deaths.
Carbohydrates trigger an insulin reaction in the body which leads to fat cell growth.
It is that simple.
Fat cell growth is not due to eating too much, nor is it due to exercising too little comparative to calories burned through exercise.
Dr. Peter Attia: Readdressing Dietary Guidelines
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=nhzV-J1h0do
Gary Taubes
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=mA4a5fjMR74
Carbohydrates trigger an insulin reaction in the body which leads to fat cell growth.
Exactly!
Animals in the wild, including humans will ‘fatten-up’ on a carbohydrate rich Fall-time-harvest diet; that’s how we survived the ice ages. Modern urban humans are consuming that diet year round and triggering energy storage for winter as fat all the time.
People working outdoors with active lives can consume a lot more carbs and not get fat because their bodies are burning the carbs with exercise.
99 percent of weight control is what people freely choose to shove in their mouth and swallow.
“The skepticism and/or denial of the results of the studies are reminiscent of the severe criticism/slander aimed at the Australian researcher who had the audacity to suggest that ulcers were caused by the e pilori bacterium and were unrelated to stress or acidic foods. What is needed is fresh air on the research to wipe away years of assumptions. And no, I have no dog in this fight.”
I agree with you, and I also don’t have a dog in this fight.
I do find the notion that all virus do not act the same, fascinating. Something that doesn’t fit the our understanding template … impossible.
“People working outdoors with active lives can consume a lot more carbs and not get fat because their bodies are burning the carbs with exercise.”
~North of 60
That is a false paradigm. The idea of “burning calories” is false and is based on proven falsified studies.
Your opinions are not worth squat. You never provide credible proof of anything.
The proof, North of 60, is right here.
Dr. Peter Attia: Readdressing Dietary Guidelines
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=nhzV-J1h0do
Gary Taubes
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=mA4a5fjMR74
I posted it at 8:31 above before you even challenged me.
You’re too intellectually dishonest to even look at it.
fatness is a GLAND problem, it’s the grey gland between the ears that causes fatness.
BUTT seriously, the armchair experts in here are a hillharyass read.
And STRAD, as usual, yer full of $hit, just sayin