54 Replies to “Wildrose Country”

  1. The filter blocked my comment on the Obamanation thread at about 12:15 Am.
    Could I have it released, please?

  2. WTF. NDP in second place provincially in Alberta of all places. Hell has frozen over.

  3. Almost a certainty that it will be a minority with Wildrose getting the most seats. Barring a disaster in the debates or a spectacular performance by prentice their is a possiblity that the PCs fall even farther as their supporters – establishment vested interests – realize that the gravy train is going off the rails.
    If the Wildrose does get the most seats and with the PCs seats added in they have enough votes to govern they will. But they will under no circumstance allow the PCs to crops the floor and become members – they will have to sit as independents.
    If the Wildrose + PC does not equal a majority vote, then the ndp and LP will try and run the government. If they pull that off then the Wildrose will be guaranteed a majority in the next general election.

  4. “If the Wildrose does get the most seats and with the PCs seats added in they have enough votes to govern they will.”
    I see the NDP and the PCs forming a coalition.
    The PCs and the NDP are all about selling Alberta out to the Unions and that will be the basis for their ruling coalition.
    But then the polls last election were completely wrong so I don’t see why this wouldn’t be the case again too.

  5. The polls were wrong last time because the PCs were the safe bet. The 3rd place team is now the safe bet to get an NDP government. The PCs and the Libs are being abandoned quickly with the Wildrose and Commie-lite NDP brands picking up votes.
    Despite being relatively unknown, Brian Jean is going to be premier because he is not PC.

  6. If the PCs do that they would be taking orders from the ndp. They would this be signing their death certificate. That said they may collapse regardless.

  7. “They would thus be signing their death certificate.”
    They would only be erasing the brand name, which I think should have ended last century.
    The PC candidates themselves are only about themselves and their own power.
    Progressives will be Progressives and too be sure, both the PCs and the NDP are progressives so they’ll get along just fine if it means holding onto power.
    The conservatives, if there were any, left quite awhile ago.
    The whole reason for calling the party Progressive Conservative was to capture the conservative vote and ensure that actual conservatives would never get their hands on the levers.

  8. I think it’s time for Albertans to realize that there’s a pretty good chance the NDP will govern Alberta shortly. As truly scary as this prospect is, it just might happen this election.
    Remember the last polls. Now remember that those who vote left both vote religiously and don’t just tell the phone guy “Yeah, sure, NDP” like the WR folks did/do.

  9. PCs are still the big machine with lots of cash and GOTV ability. Dont underestimate them.
    That being said, if the PCs do come second place to the Wildrose, look for the PC’s and NDP (or libs if the seats add up) to pull a King/Byng scenario.
    Prentice will refuse to give up power and say he is going to form a “majority” coalition with whatever other loser party allows him to create said majority.
    This will then be held up as a great example of voter desire and democracy in action to set the table for an NDP/Lib sedition coalition if the Federal Conservatives are held to a minority this fall.
    Canada is about to become a banana republic, with the media setting the table for it all the way.

  10. Well, i will probably vote Wildrose, but I’m not sure they are conservative enough. It’s a case of “least worse” to me.

  11. Moved to Alberta thinking it was a safe area. NOT. The threat of an NDP government after living under that party in Manitoba gives me the willys!!!
    They have destroyed everything in Manitoba with pals like their union buddies.
    Scary thoughts! You think there are taxes here – just wait for the NDP regime. Not seen anything yet!!!!
    Anything but NDP.
    Kate, imagine you would agree with that slogan!

  12. IF (and that’s a big if) Wildrose does manage to pull off a win this time, and perhaps even a majority (a giant IF), wouldn’t Danielle Smith and the other WR deserters look like even more colossal fools than they already managed to? A very satisfying schadenfreude indeed.

  13. Me too. The important thing will be to unseat the PCs from their dynasty. They are too corrupt.
    That said, I don’t see the PCs working with WildRose.
    They wouldn’t get the progressive agenda that they want(buying the Union vote with our taxes being paramount to them) and it would validate WildRose to the extent that the PCs would end up fading away anyhow.

  14. Where did all these morons come from? How in blazes did the Dippers pick up so much support? We’ve lost our marbles out here: We just had a party run by a clueless lefty clotpole scuttle our finances with Allison Redford. And the answer to all these problems is putting another group of liberal morons in charge?
    Is this stupidity home grown or are we importing it from other provinces and countries…?

  15. “Is this stupidity home grown or are we importing it from other provinces and countries…?”
    Both. I’m coming to the conclusion that democracy is a failed experiment because it depends on voters understanding their best interests and voting accordingly, instead of selling out their birthright for a mess of pottage like Esau did.
    Tunnel vision coupled with myopia, low impulse control, inability to delay gratification: we have come to call people who embody these character traits LIVs.
    These character traits, in a voter, are the death knell of democracy.

  16. The PCs are the architects of their own demise. You can’t keep growing government and adding more and more union workers and not expect them to vote NDP. And the left has lots of money to advertise. Unless you live in Alberta, you wouldn’t realize how many union front groups there are masquerading as grassroots organizations.
    Last election, there were a lot of Liberals and progressives that were so worried about Wildrose that they voted strategically for Redford’s PCs. This time around, we could see the irony of Wildrose supporters worried about an NDP government who vote PC to stop them.
    Incidentally, the Liberals have no chance of getting more than a seat or two. Their leader, David Swann, is even further left than the NDP.

  17. A democracy cannot exist as a permanent form of government. It can only exist until the majority discovers it can vote itself largess out of the public treasury. After that, the majority always votes for the candidate promising the most benefits with the result the democracy collapses because of the loose fiscal policy ensuing, always to be followed by a dictatorship, then a monarchy.
    Alexis de Tocqueville

  18. Several woman I’ve spoke to say Prentice looks weak. Not a good sign.
    I recall the ON election when Bob Rae came out of no where in the last week and won a majority election essentially ousting the PC’s after 42 consecutive years of governing. He had a look on his face once it was announced of stunned shock, kind of like Connor McDavid did on Saturday night after the NHL draft lottery was announced and he was going to the Oilers. I digress.
    Two weeks is an eternity in politics and I’m not sure Prentice can pull this one out. The unions have mobilized the ndp vote. They are exercising the muscle they know they have in this province. They will influence the result.
    I have been saying for years that AB is not the bastion of conservatism that it is purported to be. We love big government and the PC’s delivered in spades. AB has the largest civil service per capita next to the feds and the spending to go with it. Now all those unionistas with government jobs are gonna come and bite their bosses ass.

  19. What can be expected when you have uncontrolled immigration from eastern Canada.
    AB provincial government can buy SU back and employ all those Dipper supporters in Fort Mac.

  21. “Now all those unionistas with government jobs are gonna come and bite their bosses ass.”
    Yes. They want a more reliable boss that isn’t going to even pretend to have to accommodate conservative fiscal policy.
    Prentice is pretending, but raising taxes so that he can blow it on the Unions and socialist objectives is already resulting in the same policies that the NDP would pursue if they were in power.
    It may take one more kick at the cat for the PCs to wake up conservative Albertans to the economic peril that faces them before they all vote WildRose or it may take an NDP government to show these people who still think there is anything conservative about the PCs to see the trend is with WildRose and that the PCs are no longer fit to plot Alberta’s future.

  22. So, the federal Conservatives cannot perform since they haven’t been in power long enough and the provincial Conservatives cannot perform since they have been in power too long. Bottomline is, Conservatives can’t deliver. Left, right and center should all stop awaiting a Messiah.
    “Politicians are the same all over. They promise to build a bridge where there is no river.”
    Nikita S. Khruschev

  23. Women I’ve spoken with suggest Prentice looks weak. Not a good sign.
    Bob Rae when in the last week of the 1991(?) ON election pulled out a surprising victory. He took to the stage election night with a look of total shock on his face. Much like Connor McDavid’s when he was told he was going to the Oilers following the NHL draft lottery. Rae didn’t see it coming nor did anyone else. He essentially ended 42 years of uninterrupted PC rule. We all know how that ended.
    AB is not the bastion of conservative thought people think it is and hasn’t been for decades. We love big government. Why else would we have the largest civil service per capita in the country next to the feds? Nobody likes a government program more than an Albertan.
    As a result of this largess we have big public service unions. They have now mobilized their vote behind the ndp. Much like Wisconsin, the unions here are flexing their muscle and will influence the election.
    Whats left of the ‘right wing’ in this province following the election will be forced into a marriage not unlike what the Alliance and PC’s did federally.

  24. It’s time for removing the vote from government employees. A Provincial civil servant can’t vote provincially but can vote federally. Likewise a federal civil servant can’t vote in a federal election but can in a provincial election.

  25. “and the provincial Conservatives cannot perform since they have been in power too long.”
    The PCs aren’t and never were conservatives. They are Progressives.
    Peter Lougheed even said so at the Federal PC convention which chose Joe Clark as PC leader in 1998.

  26. “It’s time for removing the vote from government employees.”
    Why stop there if the underlying principle is to prevent people from voting for largess from the government treasury and thereby eventually bankrupting the state?
    Why not remove the franchise from everyone who doesn’t actually pay income taxes, including welfare cases and those who don’t have a positive/neutral tax liability.

  27. Schadenfreude indeed!
    According to the latest polls only the most conservative PCs are going to be elected and they will have to cross the floor to support a Wildrose minority government.
    Sadly, I doubt it’s going to happen. These are mainly automated push polls answered only by the oldest, angriest, and/or most politically dedicated. The first two groups simply oppose the PCs and so say they will vote Wildrose – not knowing that wildrose stands for nothing except “not PC” – while the latter group is solidly NDP because they have no idea that the NDP, when in power, always delivers the opposite of what they promise people.
    Bottom line: you can’t trust the polls but polls have political influence and if the media can get enough people to believe the PCs will lose, they will.
    The problem, of course, is that PCs deserve to lose big but Alberta does not deserve the havoc the NDP would wreak. That’s why I’m voting for the utter hoser running as a PC here in West Lethbridge -and why I would urge anyone facing this problem to do the same.

  28. “I see the NDP and the PCs forming a coalition.”
    Isn’t that how Redford won? I distinctly remember one of her top campaign strategists, from the teachers’ union, sneering about “old white men.”

  30. “The problem, of course, is that PCs deserve to lose big but Alberta does not deserve the havoc the NDP would wreak. That’s why I’m voting for the utter hoser running as a PC here in West Lethbridge”
    ~Paul Murphy (PC shill)
    Go ahead and tells us specifically what the NDP would be doing differently from what the PCs have been doing, are already doing, and plan to do socially and taxation wise.
    And empty promises by Prentice about fiscal so-called conservatism don’t count because even with increased general taxation and new taxes, the PCs have no intention of retiring the debt they created or ending their deficit spending. I’m talking about doing, not promising, here.
    What is the difference, eh Paul Murphy?

  31. May I reply? The NDPs would raise taxes on the rich much to the approval of those that are led to believe that there are as many rich as there are ‘poor’. (Poor can be defined as anyone that makes more money than oneself, okay!) These ‘poor’ have been misled for decades.
    But, and this is a huge BUT, we can expect an NDP majority on the 6th. The reason being the pollsters cannot contact enough people that only carry cellphones to make an accurate assessment of the average voter’s intentions. Also, the PCs are not motivated. Those that are will swing to the Wildrose, but the NDPs have the students and those that believe that they are hard-done-by in their pockets. And there are a Hell of a pile of ‘them’.
    Our only hope is a blizzard.

  32. One of the fascinating developments here is the implosion of the Liberals and the Alberta Party, who have similar ideals. Recently there was a movement afoot to merge them, spearheaded by Liberal MLA Laurie Blakeman. It fizzled due to egos from the party leaders.
    The shame for them is that if they had merged, they could well have taken 4-6 seats, and held the balance of power in a minority government. They may have missed a once-in-a-generation chance at relevance.

  33. “May I reply? The NDPs would raise taxes on the rich”
    That would not be good, assuming the PCs aren’t already planning to do the same, which would be an unfounded assumption given that the Progressive Conservatives are progressive and that Alberta does not have a Flat Tax(it’s a progressive taxation scale) so the PCs are already making the rich pay more.
    Why would you think the PCs won’t do this is what I wonder?
    In any event, simply doing that one thing(if it were a real difference) does not rise to the level of ‘havoc’.(which is fear-mongering by Paul Murphy to shore up the PC vote)
    “And there are a Hell of a pile of ‘them’.”
    Fortunately, the percentage of the student cohort that vote is lower than you realize.

  34. Correction – (Rich can be defined as anyone that makes more money than oneself, okay!) My original comment was “Poor can be defined…”

  35. Actually if you seriously question the NDP, Rich is defined as anyone who has money left over after paying taxes.

  36. “It’s time for removing the vote from government employees.”
    Say, here’s an idea: why not remove the vote from EVERYBODY?
    Then there’d be no possible chance anyone might vote in a way we don’t approve of!
    Simple.

  37. Oh, would that Wildrose would pull the upset. In that case, Ms Smith would have done more for her party and her province than any political leader since early Ralph Klein. It would be great to see the newly-elected Premier Jean offer her a job as Alberta’s representative in Helena, MT.

  38. “Ms Smith would have done more for her party”
    It has lately become public that Ms Smith didn’t believe WildRose to be ‘her party’.

  39. Northernont >
    “WTF. NDP in second place provincially in Alberta of all places. Hell has frozen over.”
    Absolutely it’s DISGUSTING! What has happened to Alberta?
    We definitely need a major and prolonged oil bust to send these fleabags packing back east. They can take all their useless “Temporary” Foreign third world Workers with them.
    None of it will happen unless we starve them out at this point.

  40. Guys this far from over. Prentice adopting the wildrose platform one piece at a time. He is desprate

  41. What we need is ALL so called “public” servants, from the premier on down asking do you want fries with that. Unfortunately, that would put a lot of college/unis graduates out of a job. C’est la vie.

  42. Very very flawed methodology – using google polls on a par with other polls. The Wildrose has consistently polled in first since the writ was dropped.

  43. Ok ok we give in – We will allow the Edmonton inner city to separate from Alberta.
    Don’t thank us yet:
    We build a BIG Israeli defensive wall around the newly created Edmonton NDP province and we will give them “Limited” airspace rights to Helicopter in and out of the new province (During daylight hours).
    Sentry towers are easily constructed, and landmines can most probably be purchased from Vietnam and Bangladesh on the cheap.

  44. Does anyone know if we can get Snake Plissken on standby in case someone needs to escape?

  45. Obviously Alberta’s slogan of keeping the province ‘Rat Free’ has to be considered a total bust! These rodents are a cunning lot! Consider your last premier, Ratface Redford.

  46. Holy shit, after all the bitching and moaning about Mortario you turkeys sure are stuffing your shoe leather in your pie holes now. I hope you’s get a majority NDPee, then you clowns will be the best entertainment around for years to come.

  47. I for one am not surprised by the ND strength. Alberta has for years been progressive in outlook it simply tempered its progressive side with practicality. Right now the left right alliance that is the PCs has done enough stupid things to be kicked to the curb and that has freed the left to look for a new home. The left likely would migrate to the Liberals if the Liberals had a clue but the present Liberals sound like they just came out of the 70’s and like avocado appliances and shag rugs just don’t appeal to everyday Albertans. The NDs on the other hand have been masterful at hiding their outlook and the average ‘progressive’ who feels without thinking is drawn the the emotionalism that is the NDs calling card. Those on the right are presently in a quandary because they fear the brain dead emotionalism will destroy the province’s economy but how best to fight the loons. Do they do it with sugar (elect a PC government that the loons will be comfortable with) or do they do it with a stick (elect a WR government that will drive the loons back under their rocks). I live in a swing riding. It was the home to former Liberal leader Kevin Taft and Landslide Annie and it elected a PC under Redfraud’s leadership. I suspect it will go ND this time. Nevertheless I will be voting WR.

  48. Yes – lets starve the crazy and Nauseating Monkey Excrement 666’s out!
    No more equalization payments for losers!
    Alberta needs a major recession, otherwise pray for an asteroid or famine, lets get rid of these bums.

  49. It is the common phenomenon of people relocating, but not changing their politics, after said politics have screwed up where they came from.
    It is a major reason why we did not want draft dodgers in Canada.

  50. I suppose, but you can’t deny that the NDP have had an extremely strong showing since this election began.
    I suspect that voters are fleeing the PC’s in droves. The “Progressives” are running to the NDP and the “Conservatives” are are running to the WR. I wonder if one even if you can call the Wild Rose conservative.
    Regardless it shows me two things. This pretty much wraps it up for the PC’s and two, Alberta is not the conservative province we once thought it was.

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