Open Thread – Ottawa

The last was getting a bit unwieldy. We’ll pick up here where the other left off. This will be top of SDA for a while. New (previously scheduled) posts will happen through the day below. As before, updates below the fold.


NDP Statement on the shooting.
National Post:

A friend, who does not wish to be identified, said he saw the whole thing from his office window, overlooking the Cenotaph.
“I saw the whole thing; it was unbelievable. Three shots, two at point blank range,” he said. The shooter was young, 30ish, Caucasian and male. He had dark, longish hair, facial hair and a black and white Palestinian type head scarf over his face, which he pulled down after the shooting. Then he held up the gun and shouted something that I didn’t hear.”

Two U.S. officials told Reuters Zehaf-Bibeau was Canadian born and a convert to Islam.

154 Replies to “Open Thread – Ottawa”

  1. With the House of Commons in lockdown, today may set a record for Shiny Pony’s continuous attendance. That is, assuming he was even there this morning.

  2. We were lucky, apparently a lone gunman looking for targets of opportunity. Taken down by a thankfully armed Sergeant-at-arms, after he had run past the meeting rooms where caucus meetings were being held by all three parties.
    A well planned, coordinated attack by two or three terrorists with sub-machine guns could have taken out our Prime Minister and a big chunk of our government.
    I think it will be a little harder to get into our Parliament Buildings from now on.

  3. The earlier discussion is a perfect example of how people jump to conclusions to further their agenda, instead of waiting to comment on the facts when they’re presented.

  4. Too bad the Sargeant at Arms was not able to use his sword he carries while in the House, that would have been a return to the ancient rites of Parliament and those who would seek to destroy it and us. Go show sir, be prepared for the dignified considerations from your friends and peers.
    God save the Queen.

  5. “…With the House of Commons in lockdown, today may set a record for Shiny Pony’s continuous attendance. That is, assuming he was even there this morning….”
    Don’t know where he was then, but he’s damned well under his bed now.

  6. A student on the university campus where I teach told me this morning that he was sorry – and he really mean’t it – that the PM was not killed today.
    The new generation for you……
    As for the media, they are cowards, the latest attempt to hide the truth being to refer to these scum as “radicalized”.

  7. We’ll see how much spine this event will bring to the invertebrate apologists; who are presently changing into a new set of underwear.
    They may not like the battlefield ‘over there’; but now they have brought the battlefield to your doorstep…they may change their minds once one of apologists get carved a new smile from ear to ear.
    Either that or the apologists don their brownshirts in the open.
    Kudos to the “Sgt At Arms” Vickers, a man worthy of the salute.
    I wonder if CF policy on live ammo will be changed for soldiers, now that the battlefield has come to Canada. How can you defend Canada when the damned chamber is empty. Condolences to the family of the fallen. Just in time for Remembrance Day…stupid bastards.
    If I hear any more talk of Justin sending a humanitarian mission to address root causes, I may choke.
    Cheers
    Hans Rupprecht, Commander in Chief
    1st Saint Nicolaas Army
    Army Group “True North”

  8. Holy fs$ng sh1t… Mansbridge just said something like “… here in central Canada, but it’s not really central if you look at a map”. SDA gets results!

  9. You could have quoted Stephen Rea in The Crying Game – “have you ever had to pick up your teeth with broken fingers?”
    Probably would have cost you your job, though. Wish I’d been there.

  10. “A student on the university campus where I teach told me this morning that he was sorry – and he really mean’t it – that the PM was not killed today.”
    This from the same end of the political spectrum that gave the world Stalin, Mao, Pol Pot, and Castro…

  11. Been watching CTV and CBC coverage all day. Lots of interviews with Liz May, Charlie Angus and other leftards to get their reactions, but nary a Tory MP to be seen. And of course, the obligatory talking head lead-in to each segment, along lines of “we go now to [insert leftard moonbat name here] for his/her reaction to this interruption in his/her normally busy schedule of holding the government to account.” Pathetic, really.

  12. “Unbelievable!”
    I have been following the terrorist attack in Ottawa the last few hours. The term “unbelievable” has been used frequently by some of the talking heads on TV. What the hell is “unbelievable” about it? We have been told by ISIS that they are coming for us. And, they are. This is simply another step in the world war that has been going on since 732 AD. The politically correct may wish to take me to task for that blunt statement. Go ahead.

  13. I hate to rain on your parade, my friends. I see a bunch of comments disparaging the librul mindset in your country today. I see the comments you report of many of your youths. Did you ever stop to think that this all started when you decided to grant asylum to the cowards and pukes coming over from your Southern neighbor in the 60s – 70s. We were often quite happy that you took them in. People that won’t defend their family and country become useless citizens. Maybe you will have better luck with their children and grand children.
    Of course, your Southern neighbor is remaking these same mistakes. But who is going to pick up the tab when we all speak spanish and ebonics?

  14. Nothing “unbelievable” about it — it’s the second fatal terrorist attack in Canada this week. I’m not any more exasperated with the journalists than I am with the Conservative government. They know perfectly well that most Canadians don’t want immigration from Muslim countries but they have been holding the doors wide open anyway. They also do nothing about the foreign (specifically, Saudi Arabian) financing of radical mosques. This a wakeup call but Harper is probably going to keep on pressing the snooze button.

  15. First (failed) attack by muslims on Ghassanid arabs – allies of Christian byzantine Empire 629 AD.

  16. I have known several draft avoiders up here. I am not totally negative about the ones I have met,
    but we would have been better without them. This is especially true as they have never learned
    Canadian politics nor, more generally, how our government works; and furthermore tend to be
    more aggressive than Canadians so they usually get into positions with a bit of influence.
    They have repaid our hospitality badly.

  17. “We were lucky, apparently a lone gunman looking for targets of opportunity. Taken down by a thankfully armed Sergeant-at-arms, after he had run past the meeting rooms where caucus meetings were being held by all three parties.
    “A well planned, coordinated attack by two or three terrorists with sub-machine guns could have taken out our Prime Minister and a big chunk of our government.
    “I think it will be a little harder to get into our Parliament Buildings from now on.”

    You would think that a soldier getting shot at the cenotaph would make it harder to get into parliament armed, but I guess not.
    Also, you might have thought that this attack could occur would have occurred to them before today, but not so much.
    Oh right. Chretien’s security detachment waited outside while he prepared to defend his wife and himself with a statue.
    Apparently the senate security is unarmed, so if he’d just entered that room he could have shot the senate for shitz and giggls.

  18. Fortunately the PM is up to handling this; as was the PM during the FLQ terror campaign and
    the October Crisis of 1970. The latter was much more serious.

  19. I couldn’t vote in the 60’s and 70’s, too young but still considered part of the boomer generation. This has to do with forced upon us PCism and pretending that islam is a ROP instead of the radical ideology death cult that it is.
    Islam needs to reform it’s that simple.
    Doubt me? Read the koran.
    We are also a fairly young nation built on immigrants – never been a problem until you know who showed up. Undefended border with USA for almost 200 years until you know who showed up…

  20. “I’m not any more exasperated with the journalists than I am with the Conservative government. They know perfectly well that most Canadians don’t want immigration from Muslim countries but they have been holding the doors wide open anyway. They also do nothing about the foreign (specifically, Saudi Arabian) financing of radical mosques. This a wakeup call but Harper is probably going to keep on pressing the snooze button.”

    Well, have been saying for a decade that I expect our civilisation to lose this war.

  21. The NDP probably should have changed the background picture for Mulcair’s message. Seems inappropriate.

  22. “Fortunately the PM is up to handling this; as was the PM during the FLQ terror campaign and
    the October Crisis of 1970. The latter was much more serious.”
    No, he is not. Stop being delusional.
    Yes, he may order soldiers and police hither or thither, but is he willing to fundamentally change Canada’s immigration policy and to speak plainly as, say, Geert Wilders would?

  23. We Canadians have long been influenced by the dominant American culture, even though many of us are at the same time openly hostile and anti-American. However, it seems to be working both ways now. The seemingly more conservative Americans have now thrown caution to the wind and many are becoming even more liberal and leftist than Canadians. Go figure.
    Radical domestic social engineering together with leftist foreign policies will create trouble for any nation. May God give wisdom to those of our leaders who will receive it.

  24. First the Libs and Dips told Canadians that we had to accept these refugees and immigrants and to tolerate their differences; prayers five times a day, no alcohol or dogs in cabs, female genital mutilation, honour killings, sex selective abortions, halal meat, burkas in court, etc. The next step in the Liberal/Dipper dance is submission, I wonder who is going to be first Trudeau or Mulclair. Can’t wait to see when Parliament re-opens who is going to be first to start in on Harper and the CPC and try to pin past failed Liberal policies at his feet.

  25. Hear that deafening silence? That’s the sound of liberals and their protected victim groups condemning this attack:
    Riaz Sayani-Mulji @RiazSayaniMulji
    Seriously all the gutless politicians who send poor, Canadian youth to die abroad – shut up right now. Reflect on why retaliation happens.
    Riaz Sayani-Mulji @RiazSayaniMulji
    The civil liberties that remain at this point in the War on Terror – likely to be extinguished. Muslims in Canada,stay safe
    Wendy Bush @bush_wendy
    The racism in Canada is astounding.
    Graham Chivers @deepgreendesign
    #PMHarper made #Canada a target for #Terrorism. Another failure to add to his anthology of disaster. #cdnpoli #security

  26. Bravo! Sergeant-at-Arms Kevin Vickers.
    …-
    “Meet the hero who shot down Parliament Hill gunman”
    “Senate page Brigette DePape is led from the Senate Chamber by Sergeant-at-Arms Kevin Vickers as Canada’s Governor General David Johnston delivers the Speech from the Throne on Parliament Hill in Ottawa, June 3, 2011. (Reuters)”
    http://cnews.canoe.ca/CNEWS/Canada/2014/10/22/vickers.jpg
    http://www.recorder.ca/2014/10/22/meet-the-hero-who-shot-down-parliament-hill-gunman

  27. As for the subhuman’s claim that soldiers are legitimate targets, after a declaration of war, then
    both civilians and soldiers are legitimate targets; declaration of war lacking, such attacks are not
    legitimate.
    I am sorry that the gunman died so easily.
    I hope that soldiers appearing in public will be armed from here on. Sidearms, probably, are
    best for ceremonial purposes.

  28. Whenever I hear negative comments (ie- BC at 3:24), I am reminded of a “Futurama” episode where the intrepid main characters have to crawl through the sewer to rescue a pet. They encounter the dwellers of that sewer who then point to a gigantic toilet. They fear the dwellers therein.
    Leftists/liberals/Islamists are those toilet-dwellers.

  29. If Sgt-at-Arms Vickers ever pays for his own drinks for the rest of his life, I will renounce my citizenship.

  30. For the Snowdenistas among us, here’s what your boy Greenwald had to say today:

    The right-wing Canadian government wasted no time in seizing on the incident to promote its fear-mongering agenda over terrorism, which includes pending legislation to vest its intelligence agency, CSIS, with more spying and secrecy powers in the name of fighting ISIS. A government spokesperson asserted “clear indications” that the driver “had become radicalized.”

    etc.. etc..

  31. Neither PMSH now or Turdeau in 1970 can be viewed as individuals who have successfully dealt with such situations. In 1970, Turdeau’s imposition of the war measures act was something which radicalized me and I’ve hated statists ever since. There was no crisis at the time and a small group of incompetent FLQ radicals were the excuse for turning Canada into a dictatorship. The proportion of sheeple in the population was no different in 1970 than it was now as only myself and one other person in a classroom of 35 people were opposed to the war measures act and what it represented. In Calgary, the police used the provisions of the war measures act to arrest anyone who they suspected of committing terrorist actions such as smoking weed; a clear indication of what the local gestapo will do when freed from the need to respect peoples fundamental rights.
    Having a soldier in public unarmed is the height of stupidity. If the result of today’s incident is the imposition of more “anti-terrorist” legislation which is just another version of Turdeau’s totalitarianism, then my flirtation with the CINO’s is over. What’s needed is decisive action which I don’t think PMSH has the balls to implement such as mass deportations of islamofascists, total closure of Canadian borders to islamofascists and deportation of all Saudi “students” and their Canadian born human bombs from the country. Also, time to bring back any Canadian troops that are involved in the Saudi/US backed fight against a force that they created and lost control of. Canadian forces serving in Kurdish territories are performing useful functions, but cleaning up the chimp in chief’s mess is not something Canada should have any part of. The Saudi’s are our enemies and terrified by the oil sands and, just because they don’t televise their multiple beheadings, doesn’t mean they’re any better then ISIS.
    The lockdown of Ottawa indicates cowardice on a national scale. What is needed is for people to be allowed concealed carry and open carry as this would result in any terrorist wannabe getting his brains blown out should he decide to engage in similar actions in the future. Israel allows its citizens to walk around armed and any incident of this type is dealt with locally and only gets minor mention in the news rather than the display of Canadian cowardice to the world that the TV stations of this country have engaged in. The people that deserve to be in jail are the ones who write the regulations that Canadian servicemen are not allowed to go about armed with firearms that have live ammunition. One think the Canadian government would have learned a lesson from the Fort Hood “workplace incident” of what happens when one has unarmed soldiers and islamofascists who, for some inexplicable reason, fail to heed strict firearms laws.

  32. It’s their useful idiot kids and grandkids that now circle jerk each other while singing Kumbaya

  33. “I hope that soldiers appearing in public will be armed from here on.”

    No. By and large, they won’t be.

    “Sidearms, probably, are best for ceremonial purposes.”

    Sigh.

  34. “As for the subhuman’s claim that soldiers are legitimate targets, after a declaration of war, then both civilians and soldiers are legitimate targets; declaration of war lacking, such attacks are not legitimate.”

    Aside from the fact that you’re taking the position that attacking civillians is legitimate, the other part of what you’re saying doesn’t make sense. Canada has announced it is taking up arms, specifically committing CF-18s, in the fight against ISIL. This guy (speaking of the killer in Quebec) clearly aligned with ISIL, so much that the government strongly suspected (basically knew) that he tried to fly their to fight with them.
    So hostilities were underway, and Canada was part of that. It didn’t take a genius to conclude that ISIL supporters might attack Canada.
    Does the government need to stop such people? Yes. But whining about their having no reason to attack Canada when Canada is engaged in conflict with the state, the caliphate, that they identify with is wholly unproductive.
    They are fighting us and we need to deal with that fact.

  35. I disagree with Loki about the War Measures Act. That was the one thing Trudeau did that I agreed with. The U.S. Army had some 100,000 troops “on exercises” in Fort Drum, New York – given instability on their Northern border do you not think they would have crossed into Canada if we had not shown decisive action?
    I believe it is time for the Government to permit concealed (or open!) carry by all serving members of the Armed Forces and those veterans with honourable releases. That would provide us with a trained militia in the original concept.

  36. “Obviously a student of a left/lib professor.”
    Yeah, just like this nutter/shooter – I still say this looks like a Commie-turned Jihadi crime. Probably some campus commie jew hater who turned Islamo fascist to cloak his hatred in religious cause – these franco commies hate harper, jews, isreal, christians and anyone else right of stalin – mix that up with some jihadi dogma and you get what you saw Monday, and probably today.
    My money says this is homegrown Franco-commie-jihadi convert delerium with a shotgun.

  37. Am I the only one who notices the irony of the leftist claim that Muslims aren’t terrorists – when the leftists themselves convert to Islam and become terrorists?
    How the hell do they reconcile that, I wonder. Oh, right…

  38. Thank you Harper for importing so many Muslims to Canada during your government. Can we please bring more?

  39. You misinterpret my words. The earlier crisis was very serious and could easily have led to a radical
    regime taking over Quebec. And the FLQ bombings damaged several people.
    Again, I am talking about backbone, not about immigration policies, which were bad and are
    bad.

  40. We don’t need two-tier citizenship…we should all be alloed to carry openly or concealed.

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