Bomb the damned wells:Struggling to Starve ISIS of Oil Revenue, U.S. Seeks Assistance From Turkey
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ISIS has obviously studied the lessons of the Long Range Desert Patrol, by the British, in WWII North Africa. Have the Americans even heard of the LRDP?
Kate I think bombing/poisoning/destroying the water wells is immoral, take out the ISIS water haulers and occupy the water wells; on the other hand maybe you meant cluster bomb the water wells when ISIS is around, OK. The oil wells are irrelevant without resupply of parts and skilled people, thirst; Islam cant drink bottled beer or wine.
Robert
Calgary
Oil fields can’t be hidden, can’t be moved. So flatten them.
Taking out the oil wells would be great for 2 reasons: it would severely hinder the ISIS cash flow as well as destroy any leftist narrative that this is another “Halliburton” war. Plus the Greenies would be onboard(not ever likely).
Recall the whole ISIS gambit arose because the “Obama-Nation(tm)” was too intellectually lazy to pursue a standing forces agreement in Iraq in direct contradiction to his military advisers; and naturally the pot has boiled over.
ISIL/ISIS, they are essentially the modern version of the communist NKVD or SS Einsatzgruppen albeit with a different justifying ideology. The correct method of dealing with them is simple eradication.
But don’t be too hasty Kate…all the western jihadi enthusiasts are streaming to join ISIS in Syria and Iraq; THEN you Glock them.
Obama’s Sort-of War
In his view, the current debacle has nothing to do with his own errors and omissions. http://www.nationalreview.com/article/388045/obamas-sort-war-victor-davis-hanson
Best comment:
Barry’s mom “Barry did you take out the garbage?”
Barry “Yes.”
Two hours later: “Barry you said you took out the garbage. You lied to me!”
Barry “I didn’t say that. I said I would take it out when I got back from golfing. You don’t listen to me.”
The next day: “Abdul have you seen Barry? He told me he’d take out the garbage and I haven’t seen him since.”
Abdul “Barry sent me as a spokesman to tell you what he really meant to say was he’d be glad to take out the garbage but he doesn’t feel that he’s ready yet and does not have a strategy for the removal of waste.”
Barry’s mom “Tell him to get his butt back here and take out the freaking garbage!”
Abdul “Yes ma’am.”
The next day: Abdul to Barry’s mom “Barry sent me to tell you that he has been considering your unreasonable request and he feels that as an American he cannot in good conscience be seen taking out the garbage all the time. It’s time that other people in the world live up to their responsibilities and help with the garbage. Barry is currently putting together a highly diversified Coalition of Friends who will do the actual taking out of the garbage from here on out.”
Oh, he also wanted me to ask you for $1000.”
Barry’s mom “For what?”
Abdul “To pay them with.”
Now you should see it, ‘hope and spare change’
Cheers
Hans Rupprecht, Commander in Chief
1st Saint Nicolaas Army
Army Group “True North”
Good thing Obama and Erdogan are such friends, and perhaps one of the closest relationships Obama had bragged about earlier in the presidency.
Just imagine how much worse it would be!
General Kate MacMillan, counter-jihad adviser to NATO.
That would look good on the old resume.
Kate I demur. The oil wells give ISIS gobs of cash, but they get gobs of cash anyways; and the excess money makes tracing sympathizers easier. ISIS also has to guard, transport, grease palms etc. all a distraction from their immediate needs and a source of internal splintering. Iraq owns those wells and re-fitting to get them producing again would be easier, security wise than rebuilding them. And Iraqi oil is important to civilization. (imagine what China could do under duress of scarce fuel?) Whatever ISIS would do to sabotage the well heads on forced withdrawal is less than the damage bombing would do. Attacking the water supplies would put a trap door just under their feet and with a noose around their neck. Let them attract their adherents, flush out their fellow travelers, strut and fret their hour upon the stage… lure them in and then prevent their dispersal out of Iraq/Syria. Draw Them to concentrate Their forces and focuses on attacking the strangleholds. And kill them all.
Robert Albin
Calgary
Hit the refineries…more efficient.
Yes Syncrodox, efficient in contracting the short term cash flow ( and yes I agree that that is a worthy goal, but as an end?) but I do not think that it would be sufficient or effective over time. Mostly desert. No water no territory. Boots and munitions are limited. Choke them. Why destroy the infrastructure when you can really sideline the skilled engineers and trades instead of relying on those folk being on site and in the moment? Maybe we should hash out what is efficient for now and what is best for effective overall.
Sincerely,
Robert Albin
PS. I really do think that as long as the skilled trades can function it is wack-a-mole to hit any one or even a few dozen well heads, and call it a victory and rest on our laurels for a week or month whilst Mr. Obamma basks in the plaudits of having done something. And then repeat for the next 26 months. Doing in all the oil production ISIS has will not defeat them.
Nah, that would just help the Russians. Seize the wells instead. Take the oil. Dare them to try to take it back.
Get out the daisy cutters, and aerosol weapons – set up a multi year carpet bombing and WMD program to desolate IS strongholds. You can’t reason with psychotics – eradicate them like you would a termite infestation – sometimes you have to burn the house to keep the infestation from spreading. Domestically it’s time to start a round up of tier one suspects. ISL knows it is at war with the rest of the world why don’t we?
It’s a sign of Obama and his cheerleaders’ magical thinking that he thinks Turkey is part of some sort of coalition. Bombing the wells would be the simplest approach.
ISL knows it is at war with the rest of the world why don’t we?
Because we have such great doctors of philosophy as Cameroon and Obomber saying that the Islamic State isn’t Islamic and Islam is a religion of peace – just like it’s been for the past 1400 years.
Join the Iranian, Turkish and Iraqi parts of Kurdistan into a single Kurdish state. That’ll kill several birds with one stone.
Marcopohlo, dare who??
Yes the current Russians shives are not pleasant, but I dont follow your chain of thought. If two neighbour families are taking potshots at each other and even killing each other, what happens if a rabid dog arrives? and threatens the livestock? Maybe truce until the dogs are slain. Russians (moscow) may be misbegotten, cockroach snuggling, nonculture, sans coulette slaves of geography and self-pity ( destroying novgorod led to a russ dead end) but they have a veneer of civilization that they piteously grasp and value their reputation in the wider world. It is not zero sum.
Anyways what do the oil wells, refiners, etc have to do with ISIS? Those are necessary to function in the 21 century, the 7th not so much. ISIS needs territory and sway, balls to the wall style. That is what attracts admirers and money. Take the oil wells and reenact Beau Geste. Take their water and reenact Tamberlane, which I do NOT want.
Robert Albin
a couple O tactical nukes, job done
either that or ship all those Ebola victims to the ISIS, and the fun begins
Occam, I agree. that will be the only long term solution. it should be applied to Islamic jihad every where.
We need to slam our door to any more ME immigration, investigate and weed out all Muslim/islamists who are here whether they hold dual citizenship or not. Every Imam needs to be spied upon, we have to know where the radicalizing is stemming from and take action.
Until we do that why bother going abroad to fight or give aid in unsafe places and risk the lives of our own people, real Canadians, allowing these murderous creeps and their supporters to live here in safety. There’s something ass backwards going on.
The Ukrainian situation is something quite different, we need to assist them in every way we can from Putin’s aggression.
Too messy, Kate.
Bomb the shipping points. Much more tidy. Hard to sell oil you can’t ship.
Yes,but bombing the shipping points would make too much sense.
We need to be extremely concerned, I doubt we have any grasp on just how many Islamist extremists and sympathizers among us in this country. They are not our friends. Will we sit back until they get through our security web by infiltrating our government by getting elected in Toronto ridings for example? Why are we so gullible, so dense as to trust people who aspire to be part of our governments whose roots come from places with whom we have no history. What can they offer us aside from their own interests like pushing for Sharia law?
Be very afraid, especially should the Media Party put the country in danger by getting Trudeau elected. The LPC as it stands now is not fit to govern given the threats posed to the world stemming from the ME and everywhere Muslims/Islamists reside. We are not dealing with root causes for people who are capable of the atrocities we are seeing at the hands of hooded madmen cutting off heads in the name if Islam. We know the root cause is fanatical religion, pure evil the likes of which we find unspeakable in our civilized world.
Dare Iran, Iraq, ISIS, and anybody else. Not the rabid dog. The big dog.
“Take their water and reenact Tamberlane, which I do NOT want.”
OOOOO, OOOO, Heaven forbid we offend your wishes.
Tamerlane thoroughly understood these savages, probably because he was one of them.
Tamerlane is remembered because like Alexander and ol’ Genghis he was a winner.
Winning is not everything…it is the only thing. Vince Lombardy
This ain’t football and these ain’t Quakers.
Bomb the water!
Tamerlane ruined the mid-East
Didn’t Turkey used to be the lovely Ottoman Empire?
Bomb the wells, refineries, and shipping points, as well as any tankers moving along the roads. The western public is not yet sufficiently in fear of ISIS to agree to boots on the ground other than special forces.
Liz, as I keep saying our real enemy is not these dorks in the ME. As noted here, and as you say, ONE (1) flypast with ONE (1) B-52 would put them out of business for good. For that matter you could just sink a couple of empty tankers in inconvenient places and completely f- the whole place up for years.
Because ISIS is composed of people who are JUST TOO STUPID to be able to fix an oil shipping dock, much less make a new one themselves. Or move a sunken ship. Or even cut one up, for that matter.
The immigrants who came here? Question fer ya about them:
Why do you think these Mooselimb Youths get all radicalized here in Canada and in Britain and the USA, but then go OVERSEAS to fight the Great Satan?
Because its not safe here, is why.
No, the Real Enemy is the putzes who make it politically non-expedient to fly that B-52 down past that Iraq shipping point. DemocRats. Liberals. Socialist scumb@gs and their Useful Idiots.
Plan accordingly.
Robert of Ottawa said: “Tamerlane ruined the mid-East.”
Actually Robert, I’ve seen research that indicates -goats- ruined the Middle East, along with deforestation etc. Crappy agricultural practices, pretty much. Which continue to this day incidentally, because you can’t fix stupid.
Tamerlane was like a footnote next to goats. 🙂
Any damage to their Oil production and OUR price will go up. The people who bought from them before will have to find alternate sources, competing with us.
Also this feeds into the “All About Oil” line.
The people who are anti-pipeline are indirectly supporting terrorism. By restricting the transport of Alberta oil, they drive up the price making it a more important commodity.
War is Hell. Believe it. Bomb the damned wells.
Needless to say, Obama is pro-ISIS and will take as few effective actions as he possibly can.
Precisely. That worked well in WWII. Toward the end the Nazis were starved for fuel – planes in
particular couldn’t get adequate fuel for operations.
In modern war you bomb the Hell out of everything. No nuances. Bomb, bomb, and bomb some
more. Then you start thinking of ground forces. Desert Shield/Desert Storm did it right, in
much the same territory.
On a popular radio talk show yesterday, a so-called expert on security, counter-terrorism, etc. put forth her idea that any retaliation from the west would be over-reaction and would, in fact, be welcomed by ISIS because it would serve to piss everyone off in the muslim world. Her plan consisted of persuading muslim nations to join forces and hammer ISIS. She even went so far as to praise John Kerry’s lame attempts to form some sort of coalition.
What this “expert” fails to realize is that coercing muslim nations into co-operating with each other is much like herding cats, only more difficult. Besides, even if successful air strikes were carried out by countries such as Egypt or Jordan, the west would still be blamed.
“What this “expert” fails to realize is that coercing muslim nations into co-operating with each other is much like herding cats, only more difficult.”
Between the lot of them they couldn’t mount a two man rush on a three hole out house. Because = Arabs.
And really, why is nobody talking about the obvious here? How is it that the American trained and equipped Iraq Army can’t stand off a bunch of foreign amateurs armed with whatever was lying around? These exact same “freedom fighters” RUN AWAY from the teensy weensy Canadian Army in Afghanistan.
Its because this is the same Iraq Army that the Americans rolled over in five days and hardly had to shoot at.
Its because these are the same poor wee muppets that 200 of them ran from 30 Argyles with bayonets.
Its because the lot of them can’t tie their f-ing shoelaces without R. Lee Ermey screaming at them Full Metal Jacket style and kicking them in the @ss with a size ten army boot, is why. Obama sent SSgt Ermey home, and now the Iraq Army can’t tie their own shoes again. Ten years is apparently not long enough to train a proper noncom in the Arab world. In fact, since the Brits couldn’t do it during the whole British Empire and the Americans couldn’t do it either, it may not even be possible at all.
The Saudi Army, the Turkish Army, the Egyptian Army and for that mater the Iranian Army will all be the same. Nice uniforms, nobody who knows how to wear ’em.
So ISIS takes over Iraq, this makes them the Big New Threat? No, it makes them the next bunch who can’t tie up their own shoes. Real dangerous in a Gun Free Zone and very willing to kill women, children, old people and anybody else who can’t fight back. Not so much of a big deal otherwise.
The oil is being “smuggled” across the Turkish border on roads past Turkish border posts. Where Turks are taking bribes. Bomb the tankers at the border posts.
So Sorry About the Border Post. Maybe YOU Should stop Taking Bribes?
“This war differs from other wars, in this particular. We are not fighting armies but a hostile people, and must make old and young, rich and poor, feel the hard hand of war.”
~William Tecumseh Sherman
“Every attempt to make war easy and safe will result in humiliation and disaster.”
~William Tecumseh Sherman
“War is cruelty. There is no use trying to reform it. The crueler it is, the sooner it will be over.”
~William Tecumseh Sherman
“War is at its best barbarism.”
~William Tecumseh Sherman
“If the people raise a great howl against my barbarity and cruelty, I will answer that war is war, and not popularity seeking.”
~William Tecumseh Sherman
Sherman said it well, and practiced what he preached when destroying the Shenandoah Valley breadbasket.
Even if we practice total war against any radical Muslim terrorists that rear their heads it will be an indefinite ongoing war due to the nature and ideology of this enemy.
“War is Hell. …” If it isn’t, you’re doing it wrong.
Point taken but choking their cash flow will help in the long haul.
There are too many whiners on this page.
Sherman indeed said it well and practiced what he preached, as one of the non-whiners above
says.
Wing Commander Harry Weldon (assistant to Sir Arthur Harris, and a philosopher in peacetime): [lecturing on “The Ethics of Bombing”] … So therefore, it is not a question of *ethics* at all! War is *not* the opposite of *peace*, nor is it a corollary of it! War is a *complete breakdown* in civilization, so it shouldn’t have “ethics” thrust upon it. Because that way lies danger; that way, *war becomes acceptable!* The means of death and destruction are immaterial, war was always war, the only *difference* today is the *scale* of it! So, when this war is finally over, the world should accept that there is no limit; there are no “Hague Rules of Combat” anymore! The worse war is, the more *savage* it becomes! When people *understand* this, and stop trying to *limit* it, then perhaps, we shall achieve *lasting peace!*
However, when talking of peace, one must bear in mind David Godman’s estimate that at least 3 million young men will die in the Middle East before a peace of exhaustion comes.
the goat theory is correct. my ex’s sister is a biologist who worked in the ME and Africa and first told me about the goat problem 35 years ago. Still a problem in North Africa.
ISIS has obviously studied the lessons of the Long Range Desert Patrol, by the British, in WWII North Africa. Have the Americans even heard of the LRDP?
Kate I think bombing/poisoning/destroying the water wells is immoral, take out the ISIS water haulers and occupy the water wells; on the other hand maybe you meant cluster bomb the water wells when ISIS is around, OK. The oil wells are irrelevant without resupply of parts and skilled people, thirst; Islam cant drink bottled beer or wine.
Robert
Calgary
Oil fields can’t be hidden, can’t be moved. So flatten them.
Taking out the oil wells would be great for 2 reasons: it would severely hinder the ISIS cash flow as well as destroy any leftist narrative that this is another “Halliburton” war. Plus the Greenies would be onboard(not ever likely).
Recall the whole ISIS gambit arose because the “Obama-Nation(tm)” was too intellectually lazy to pursue a standing forces agreement in Iraq in direct contradiction to his military advisers; and naturally the pot has boiled over.
ISIL/ISIS, they are essentially the modern version of the communist NKVD or SS Einsatzgruppen albeit with a different justifying ideology. The correct method of dealing with them is simple eradication.
But don’t be too hasty Kate…all the western jihadi enthusiasts are streaming to join ISIS in Syria and Iraq; THEN you Glock them.
Obama’s Sort-of War
In his view, the current debacle has nothing to do with his own errors and omissions.
http://www.nationalreview.com/article/388045/obamas-sort-war-victor-davis-hanson
Best comment:
Barry’s mom “Barry did you take out the garbage?”
Barry “Yes.”
Two hours later: “Barry you said you took out the garbage. You lied to me!”
Barry “I didn’t say that. I said I would take it out when I got back from golfing. You don’t listen to me.”
The next day: “Abdul have you seen Barry? He told me he’d take out the garbage and I haven’t seen him since.”
Abdul “Barry sent me as a spokesman to tell you what he really meant to say was he’d be glad to take out the garbage but he doesn’t feel that he’s ready yet and does not have a strategy for the removal of waste.”
Barry’s mom “Tell him to get his butt back here and take out the freaking garbage!”
Abdul “Yes ma’am.”
The next day: Abdul to Barry’s mom “Barry sent me to tell you that he has been considering your unreasonable request and he feels that as an American he cannot in good conscience be seen taking out the garbage all the time. It’s time that other people in the world live up to their responsibilities and help with the garbage. Barry is currently putting together a highly diversified Coalition of Friends who will do the actual taking out of the garbage from here on out.”
Oh, he also wanted me to ask you for $1000.”
Barry’s mom “For what?”
Abdul “To pay them with.”
Now you should see it, ‘hope and spare change’
Cheers
Hans Rupprecht, Commander in Chief
1st Saint Nicolaas Army
Army Group “True North”
Good thing Obama and Erdogan are such friends, and perhaps one of the closest relationships Obama had bragged about earlier in the presidency.
Just imagine how much worse it would be!
General Kate MacMillan, counter-jihad adviser to NATO.
That would look good on the old resume.
Kate I demur. The oil wells give ISIS gobs of cash, but they get gobs of cash anyways; and the excess money makes tracing sympathizers easier. ISIS also has to guard, transport, grease palms etc. all a distraction from their immediate needs and a source of internal splintering. Iraq owns those wells and re-fitting to get them producing again would be easier, security wise than rebuilding them. And Iraqi oil is important to civilization. (imagine what China could do under duress of scarce fuel?) Whatever ISIS would do to sabotage the well heads on forced withdrawal is less than the damage bombing would do. Attacking the water supplies would put a trap door just under their feet and with a noose around their neck. Let them attract their adherents, flush out their fellow travelers, strut and fret their hour upon the stage… lure them in and then prevent their dispersal out of Iraq/Syria. Draw Them to concentrate Their forces and focuses on attacking the strangleholds. And kill them all.
Robert Albin
Calgary
Hit the refineries…more efficient.
Yes Syncrodox, efficient in contracting the short term cash flow ( and yes I agree that that is a worthy goal, but as an end?) but I do not think that it would be sufficient or effective over time. Mostly desert. No water no territory. Boots and munitions are limited. Choke them. Why destroy the infrastructure when you can really sideline the skilled engineers and trades instead of relying on those folk being on site and in the moment? Maybe we should hash out what is efficient for now and what is best for effective overall.
Sincerely,
Robert Albin
PS. I really do think that as long as the skilled trades can function it is wack-a-mole to hit any one or even a few dozen well heads, and call it a victory and rest on our laurels for a week or month whilst Mr. Obamma basks in the plaudits of having done something. And then repeat for the next 26 months. Doing in all the oil production ISIS has will not defeat them.
Nah, that would just help the Russians. Seize the wells instead. Take the oil. Dare them to try to take it back.
Get out the daisy cutters, and aerosol weapons – set up a multi year carpet bombing and WMD program to desolate IS strongholds. You can’t reason with psychotics – eradicate them like you would a termite infestation – sometimes you have to burn the house to keep the infestation from spreading. Domestically it’s time to start a round up of tier one suspects. ISL knows it is at war with the rest of the world why don’t we?
It’s a sign of Obama and his cheerleaders’ magical thinking that he thinks Turkey is part of some sort of coalition. Bombing the wells would be the simplest approach.
ISL knows it is at war with the rest of the world why don’t we?
Because we have such great doctors of philosophy as Cameroon and Obomber saying that the Islamic State isn’t Islamic and Islam is a religion of peace – just like it’s been for the past 1400 years.
Join the Iranian, Turkish and Iraqi parts of Kurdistan into a single Kurdish state. That’ll kill several birds with one stone.
Marcopohlo, dare who??
Yes the current Russians shives are not pleasant, but I dont follow your chain of thought. If two neighbour families are taking potshots at each other and even killing each other, what happens if a rabid dog arrives? and threatens the livestock? Maybe truce until the dogs are slain. Russians (moscow) may be misbegotten, cockroach snuggling, nonculture, sans coulette slaves of geography and self-pity ( destroying novgorod led to a russ dead end) but they have a veneer of civilization that they piteously grasp and value their reputation in the wider world. It is not zero sum.
Anyways what do the oil wells, refiners, etc have to do with ISIS? Those are necessary to function in the 21 century, the 7th not so much. ISIS needs territory and sway, balls to the wall style. That is what attracts admirers and money. Take the oil wells and reenact Beau Geste. Take their water and reenact Tamberlane, which I do NOT want.
Robert Albin
a couple O tactical nukes, job done
either that or ship all those Ebola victims to the ISIS, and the fun begins
Occam, I agree. that will be the only long term solution. it should be applied to Islamic jihad every where.
We need to slam our door to any more ME immigration, investigate and weed out all Muslim/islamists who are here whether they hold dual citizenship or not. Every Imam needs to be spied upon, we have to know where the radicalizing is stemming from and take action.
Until we do that why bother going abroad to fight or give aid in unsafe places and risk the lives of our own people, real Canadians, allowing these murderous creeps and their supporters to live here in safety. There’s something ass backwards going on.
The Ukrainian situation is something quite different, we need to assist them in every way we can from Putin’s aggression.
Too messy, Kate.
Bomb the shipping points. Much more tidy. Hard to sell oil you can’t ship.
Yes,but bombing the shipping points would make too much sense.
We need to be extremely concerned, I doubt we have any grasp on just how many Islamist extremists and sympathizers among us in this country. They are not our friends. Will we sit back until they get through our security web by infiltrating our government by getting elected in Toronto ridings for example? Why are we so gullible, so dense as to trust people who aspire to be part of our governments whose roots come from places with whom we have no history. What can they offer us aside from their own interests like pushing for Sharia law?
Be very afraid, especially should the Media Party put the country in danger by getting Trudeau elected. The LPC as it stands now is not fit to govern given the threats posed to the world stemming from the ME and everywhere Muslims/Islamists reside. We are not dealing with root causes for people who are capable of the atrocities we are seeing at the hands of hooded madmen cutting off heads in the name if Islam. We know the root cause is fanatical religion, pure evil the likes of which we find unspeakable in our civilized world.
Dare Iran, Iraq, ISIS, and anybody else. Not the rabid dog. The big dog.
“Take their water and reenact Tamberlane, which I do NOT want.”
OOOOO, OOOO, Heaven forbid we offend your wishes.
Tamerlane thoroughly understood these savages, probably because he was one of them.
Tamerlane is remembered because like Alexander and ol’ Genghis he was a winner.
Winning is not everything…it is the only thing. Vince Lombardy
This ain’t football and these ain’t Quakers.
Bomb the water!
Tamerlane ruined the mid-East
Didn’t Turkey used to be the lovely Ottoman Empire?
Bomb the wells, refineries, and shipping points, as well as any tankers moving along the roads. The western public is not yet sufficiently in fear of ISIS to agree to boots on the ground other than special forces.
Liz, as I keep saying our real enemy is not these dorks in the ME. As noted here, and as you say, ONE (1) flypast with ONE (1) B-52 would put them out of business for good. For that matter you could just sink a couple of empty tankers in inconvenient places and completely f- the whole place up for years.
Because ISIS is composed of people who are JUST TOO STUPID to be able to fix an oil shipping dock, much less make a new one themselves. Or move a sunken ship. Or even cut one up, for that matter.
The immigrants who came here? Question fer ya about them:
Why do you think these Mooselimb Youths get all radicalized here in Canada and in Britain and the USA, but then go OVERSEAS to fight the Great Satan?
Because its not safe here, is why.
No, the Real Enemy is the putzes who make it politically non-expedient to fly that B-52 down past that Iraq shipping point. DemocRats. Liberals. Socialist scumb@gs and their Useful Idiots.
Plan accordingly.
Robert of Ottawa said: “Tamerlane ruined the mid-East.”
Actually Robert, I’ve seen research that indicates -goats- ruined the Middle East, along with deforestation etc. Crappy agricultural practices, pretty much. Which continue to this day incidentally, because you can’t fix stupid.
Tamerlane was like a footnote next to goats. 🙂
Any damage to their Oil production and OUR price will go up. The people who bought from them before will have to find alternate sources, competing with us.
Also this feeds into the “All About Oil” line.
The people who are anti-pipeline are indirectly supporting terrorism. By restricting the transport of Alberta oil, they drive up the price making it a more important commodity.
“Tamerlane ruined the mid-East……”
Check out this map…..
http://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/a/a2/Timurid_Dynasty_821_-_873_%28AH%29.png
Mohammid never got anywhere near Jerusalem either…….
War is Hell. Believe it. Bomb the damned wells.
Needless to say, Obama is pro-ISIS and will take as few effective actions as he possibly can.
Precisely. That worked well in WWII. Toward the end the Nazis were starved for fuel – planes in
particular couldn’t get adequate fuel for operations.
In modern war you bomb the Hell out of everything. No nuances. Bomb, bomb, and bomb some
more. Then you start thinking of ground forces. Desert Shield/Desert Storm did it right, in
much the same territory.
On a popular radio talk show yesterday, a so-called expert on security, counter-terrorism, etc. put forth her idea that any retaliation from the west would be over-reaction and would, in fact, be welcomed by ISIS because it would serve to piss everyone off in the muslim world. Her plan consisted of persuading muslim nations to join forces and hammer ISIS. She even went so far as to praise John Kerry’s lame attempts to form some sort of coalition.
What this “expert” fails to realize is that coercing muslim nations into co-operating with each other is much like herding cats, only more difficult. Besides, even if successful air strikes were carried out by countries such as Egypt or Jordan, the west would still be blamed.
“What this “expert” fails to realize is that coercing muslim nations into co-operating with each other is much like herding cats, only more difficult.”
Between the lot of them they couldn’t mount a two man rush on a three hole out house. Because = Arabs.
And really, why is nobody talking about the obvious here? How is it that the American trained and equipped Iraq Army can’t stand off a bunch of foreign amateurs armed with whatever was lying around? These exact same “freedom fighters” RUN AWAY from the teensy weensy Canadian Army in Afghanistan.
Its because this is the same Iraq Army that the Americans rolled over in five days and hardly had to shoot at.
Its because these are the same poor wee muppets that 200 of them ran from 30 Argyles with bayonets.
Its because the lot of them can’t tie their f-ing shoelaces without R. Lee Ermey screaming at them Full Metal Jacket style and kicking them in the @ss with a size ten army boot, is why. Obama sent SSgt Ermey home, and now the Iraq Army can’t tie their own shoes again. Ten years is apparently not long enough to train a proper noncom in the Arab world. In fact, since the Brits couldn’t do it during the whole British Empire and the Americans couldn’t do it either, it may not even be possible at all.
The Saudi Army, the Turkish Army, the Egyptian Army and for that mater the Iranian Army will all be the same. Nice uniforms, nobody who knows how to wear ’em.
So ISIS takes over Iraq, this makes them the Big New Threat? No, it makes them the next bunch who can’t tie up their own shoes. Real dangerous in a Gun Free Zone and very willing to kill women, children, old people and anybody else who can’t fight back. Not so much of a big deal otherwise.
The oil is being “smuggled” across the Turkish border on roads past Turkish border posts. Where Turks are taking bribes. Bomb the tankers at the border posts.
So Sorry About the Border Post. Maybe YOU Should stop Taking Bribes?
“This war differs from other wars, in this particular. We are not fighting armies but a hostile people, and must make old and young, rich and poor, feel the hard hand of war.”
~William Tecumseh Sherman
“Every attempt to make war easy and safe will result in humiliation and disaster.”
~William Tecumseh Sherman
“War is cruelty. There is no use trying to reform it. The crueler it is, the sooner it will be over.”
~William Tecumseh Sherman
“War is at its best barbarism.”
~William Tecumseh Sherman
“If the people raise a great howl against my barbarity and cruelty, I will answer that war is war, and not popularity seeking.”
~William Tecumseh Sherman
Sherman said it well, and practiced what he preached when destroying the Shenandoah Valley breadbasket.
Even if we practice total war against any radical Muslim terrorists that rear their heads it will be an indefinite ongoing war due to the nature and ideology of this enemy.
“War is Hell. …” If it isn’t, you’re doing it wrong.
Point taken but choking their cash flow will help in the long haul.
There are too many whiners on this page.
Sherman indeed said it well and practiced what he preached, as one of the non-whiners above
says.
Wing Commander Harry Weldon (assistant to Sir Arthur Harris, and a philosopher in peacetime): [lecturing on “The Ethics of Bombing”] … So therefore, it is not a question of *ethics* at all! War is *not* the opposite of *peace*, nor is it a corollary of it! War is a *complete breakdown* in civilization, so it shouldn’t have “ethics” thrust upon it. Because that way lies danger; that way, *war becomes acceptable!* The means of death and destruction are immaterial, war was always war, the only *difference* today is the *scale* of it! So, when this war is finally over, the world should accept that there is no limit; there are no “Hague Rules of Combat” anymore! The worse war is, the more *savage* it becomes! When people *understand* this, and stop trying to *limit* it, then perhaps, we shall achieve *lasting peace!*
However, when talking of peace, one must bear in mind David Godman’s estimate that at least 3 million young men will die in the Middle East before a peace of exhaustion comes.
the goat theory is correct. my ex’s sister is a biologist who worked in the ME and Africa and first told me about the goat problem 35 years ago. Still a problem in North Africa.