The Moore we ask, the less we know;
You see, if one were to ask the current Minister of Industry whether the [Canadian Standards Association] is a government regulator, the answer would be “no.” But if you asked an agency within Industry Canada, as we once did, the answer would be “yes.” If you were to ask the CSA if they were part of government they would say “no.” Unless you asked one of their foreign offices, in which case the answer would change to “yes.” If Industry Canada asked the CSA the answer would be “no.” If The Competition Bureau asked them, and they did, then the answer changes to “yes.”
See the problem?
…and I’d still like to know what happens to the millions of $$$dollars they collect in fees and have been doing so for decades. They must have a quite a treasury accumulated. It wouldn’t surprise me if their cash holdings was in the hundreds of millions.
I used to work in the UK for something called The British Standards Institute. Their norms were frequently written into law but they were a commercial operation, receiving money from companies wanting to be certified for their product norms.
It is a QUANGO.
It can be conflicting business, but very common. It appears though, from these threads, that the CSA is going too cfar.
Thank you for covering the ongoing story of Restore CSA. Peter Knight has worked tirelessly for his entire life to provide home owners and tradesmen “Simplified Electrical Code”. These books are a great attempt at clarification and simplification of the Canadian Electrical Code.
As a Journeyman Electrician, I can vouch for how unnecessarily complicated the CEC remains through the years. Revisions happen every three years, but the code just grows new tentacles and amendments and appendices.
One instructor was heard to say he could have done a better job on the back of a restaurant napkin.
I hope that CSA “sees the light” and rather than sue the Knight’s will work together with them to produce a better code book, that is affordable and accessible.
Thank you for covering the ongoing story of Restore CSA. Peter Knight has worked tirelessly for his entire life to provide home owners and tradesmen “Simplified Electrical Code”. These books are a great attempt at clarification and simplification of the Canadian Electrical Code.
As a Journeyman Electrician, I can vouch for how unnecessarily complicated the CEC remains through the years. Revisions happen every three years, but the code just grows new tentacles and amendments and appendices.
One instructor was heard to say he could have done a better job on the back of a restaurant napkin.
I hope that CSA “sees the light” and rather than sue the Knight’s will work together with them to produce a better code book, that is affordable and accessible.
And so far, only Sheila Copps is helping, and crickets from Harper.
This is the basic problem with all bureaucracies – it matters not one bit what the elected politician wants or demands, the bureaucrats who are they forever make the decision and they will do anything not to upset their apple cart.
“See the problem?”
Err, yes and no.
Sorry, had to do it.
Another well intentioned bureaucracy, metastasized into a ruinous drag on the taxpayer.
Moore is either stupid or being deliberately misinformed. If he hopes to further a political career he had better figure this out.
The kleptocracy never sleeps and never stops inventing new ways to rob you of your wealth and time.
What better way to steal, than vague shadowy bureaucracies, private law and gutless politicians.
As for the claim of public safety… Utter BS.. CSA accepts zero responsibility, inspectors imposing these codes accept zero liability.. It is buyer beware with the govt holding a blindfold over the buyers eyes.
The idiocy of the regulators has reached a point where by the consumer is safer and less indebted if they have the work done under the table by a tradesman they trust.
If your home is destroyed due to work demanded by a regulator, done under protest by the tradesman, guess who is held liable???
Not the officious twit from your government.
An accounting firm we have been dealing with for decades brought in a new C.A. for the accounting review recently. He prepared the documents. However one of the firm’s Partners was is attendance. (I know it means extra billings)
The bright new accountant mentioned the technical group of the firm felt there was a new note to be added to the documents. My reaction of “looks like a new generation is starting more C.Y.A. for the firm” generated a laugh from the Partner.
I then advised the new generation representation to add the note if it felt it compromised his professional integrity and status. The note was not added. More calling of the B.S. is required from Lawyers; Accountants; and particularly Bureaucrats. This is where the accountability should rest.
Piling on more controls, particularly on small business, is what places the productivity of Canadian business lower on the international scale. It is what causes small Ontario business to never hire more than twenty employees. Cheers;
“Another well intentioned bureaucracy”….THAT has got to be the greatest statement of an oxymoron since “I’m from the government and I’m here to help”. And we allow people who believe this to vote? No wonder we are fubared as a conutry.
The gifts of government are all well intentioned…Fubars.
The curse of letting Do-Gooders live amongst us unpunished.
The temporary income tax, the GST only until the debt is paid..
I am advocating open carry for all adult taxpayers, parasites. all persons living at the expense of the public will remain disarmed and open season.
It is for the children.
Unless we thin the mobs of takers, the children children will have no freedom or future.
I just do my electrical renovations to the tune of a 30 year old green book and know that my family is in the house.
Now that I can get behind!!
Maureen nails it.
Heaven forbid that a Tory minister should actually act in a way which will stir the ant’s nest of collectivist cronies, and sundry freeloaders, by actually carrying out conservative philosophy of small accountable government. Heaven forbid that!
Moore should have acted the moment he heard of the conflicted interests of a rogue regulator and cut the public loose for compliance with them.
But he didn’t and he won’t and that is a stark statement on the comfy sinecure of the CPC caucus – CINOs
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