25 Replies to “The Sound Of Settled Science”

  1. Aside from the nagging fact that all the sea ice melting would, just as ice in a glass, lower the sea level, having had the misfortune of having had to have lived in NYC (city income tax, what a great idea !) I can not only imagine it under 150 feet of water, I encourage it.

  3. ….and Toronto, and Montreal, and Ottawa, and Vancouver………..sigh. Sweet dreams. :))

  4. the next jerk that says anything to me about global warming will get a two inch thick piece of ice jammed somewhere very personal. that would be the thickness of some of the ice I worked for two hours to remove from one car. I still have one to do. if only we had some warming.

  5. Thing is, the global warmies know they’re lying. Even though some jackass “experts” have received awards. Their predictions from frying to flooding flopped, Mother Nature showed them who’s boss.
    They’ve changed their tune to “climate change” which could be anything and that’s just exactly the way it has always been. Weather patterns have changed over recorded history, we’ve always had early Springs, late Falls, wet summers, dry summers,etc, etc.

  6. Recent exposures of the facts behind climate change/global warming have downgraded the “science” and it’s acolytes to a mere doomsday cult peopled by those who love to swelter in their fear and misery,while a few profit from it.
    The cult no longer deserves any respect whatsoever,only the fawning media give them any.

  7. You’re right about sea ice, but there is an awful lot of ice in the world that is land ice. All the ice covering Greenland and Antarctica for example. What percentage is sea ice vs land ice and what the final level would be I don’t know. I suspect however that Antarctica might be a neat place to live without the ice.

  8. given the ratio of globe water area to land area, i’d bet all the ice over land, if melted wouldn’t make much difference in sea levels. some will transfer to the atmosphere, or to inland lakes.
    the moon has a greater effect, with tidal water level.
    some people are just batty. moon-batty.

  9. Indeed there is a lot of ice on the land mass, but once as an academic exercise I had occasion to calculate hypothetical sea level rise if all the ice on the land mass of Antarctica were to melt, and the number was something like 200 feet.
    Of course, this made two assumptions based on estimated ice thickness, a) that there would be no offset by Antarctica, a good sized continent, rising as a result of the weight offset (Archimedes principle and all), and b)that there would be a temperature increase of between around 90C and 12C (or 50C averaged between the high and low) – which isn’t likely to happen short of an event that makes the whole argument moot.
    So, the arctic land mass ice 150 feet ? Nope.

  10. If you like your liberal h3llhole you can keep your liberal h3llhol3. However you are going to need to “evolve” some gills.
    Faster please.

  11. Actually a pretty good article considering its age,it at least talks about climate cycles in terms of thousands of years, unlike Gore who hasn’t seemed to realize we are already past due on catastrophic (2012)rise.
    The Antarctic and Greenland ice sheets are about 1700 meters thick on the grounded portions ,the only part that would make sea levels rise . Anything floating would be balanced to the cm3, making zero difference.what they fail to say,and I’m not sure that they would have even been aware of in 1933 is that the Antarctic icesheet has survived for 15 to 20 million years through and between ice ages .
    So it’s unlikely that it will ever melt in the length of time our species will be around. If it were to melt the sea levels absolutely would rise 70m or 200ft.
    The 150 ft would take the water up to the height of the Statue of Liberty’s neck so I wonder if this article caused some remnant memory for the greatest movie ending of all time

  12. Actually, that article, which appears to be about a century old, is a pretty accurate statement of the true state of modern climate science. We know it has been a lot warmer in the past, and we know it has been a lot colder, and we know those changes have been sort of cyclical, but with a periodicity we don’t fully understand.
    And the article isn’t even alarmist. They state the ice will melt, and the seas will rise, but over a period of several thousand years, and people will adapt. Sounds good to me.
    I’m sure one could take issue with cherry-picked statements from that article, but overall, it’s a pretty fair statement of the AGW skeptics’ understanding of climate change. It exists, it is entirely natural, or maybe with a tiny and insignificant man-made component, and there is no point in whining about it, or in trying to stop it. Better to spend our scarce resources in adapting to adverse changes, and in exploiting beneficial ones.

  13. Prolonged ‘Ice ages’ seem better at lowering sea levels than warm spells do in raising them …. maybe that;s because we’ re only a mere 10 to 12,000 years off the last major glaciation.
    Lowering was a game changer ….. continuous human habitat on the continental shelf from the Bering Strait to Patagonia. Walk …. from the UK to France. Etc, etc.
    I failed Geology at university but I have no regrets … what I learned has served me well.
    MM

  14. Back in the 60’s when I was a young boy the predictions for 2001 was for a sheet of ice from the coming new ice age over New York.
    Not a single phuc was given then either.

  16. But what about the Rats?
    Won’t somebody please think of NY predominate citizens?
    Course we could just que up Tiny Tim, every time some fool gets hysterical about ice melt.
    At least his little bit of performance art is so creepy its almost funny.And the religious component is openly displayed.
    I did a rough calculation of North American Ice melt since the last ice age.
    Depending on the time estimate, of 15 to 20 thousand years since the ice began to recede, you get an annual ice loss of about 6-9 inches across the land area of Canada.
    Where did this water go?
    What climate catastrophe occurred?
    Plenty I would guess, probably this is the heart of our mass fear of the weather.
    Those persons obsessing over those modern remnants of ice continuing to melt have no understanding of history and probably do not drink good booze with ice.

  17. Water expands when it freezes, so the volume of ice when melted would result in a lower volume of water. I don’t know the ratio however maybe some of the more knowledgeable posters here could help me out.
    mid island mike

  19. 30 below here today so just to speed things up I am going out at some risk and am going to burn some more tires!

  20. “But what about the Rats?
    Won’t somebody please think of NY predominate citizens?”
    I thought that Bloomberg was no longer the mayor?

  23. Hollywood has it all covered …. hot and desertified … temperate and flooded … cold and frozen.
    Here’s something eve more farfetched … NYC caught by wave of decency and rationality … cleans itself up becomes a a place suitable for humanity.

  24. Amazing how the same scams come about in a circular fashion; the 1933 article at least wasn’t pushing a statist watermelon agenda and seems quite reasonable. I guess no-one considered how well the Dutch have adapted to slow sea level rise as a good chunk of Holland was actually below sea level even when the oceans were lower. What I would expect would happen over a timespan of centuries would be a massive breakwater/seawall that would be built on the E coast of the US and around Florida and the Gulf coast; a perfect place to dump all of the rock that would be excavated by the new massive and fast tunneling machines that would create evacuated transcontinental tunnels for high speed rail. These would be almost a complete vacuum so that the trains could speed through them driven by magnetic levitation at speeds of thousands of miles/hour. Of course, the existence of such tunneling machinery would result in millions of people moving underground to live at least a mile below the surface where they would be protected from the radiation of the next supernova to hit the solar system (there’s always some form of future disaster that people are terrified of, regardless of the progress in technology). In any event, obtaining fill to negate the effect of sea level rise will be no problem in the more technologically advanced world one would have with a few hundred to a thousand years of advance warning.
    What is really interesting is to view the maps of New York over the last 300+ years as the land area expands steadily outward as new land is created by dumping garbage and soil from various excavations nearby into the ocean. So, despite the emotional satisfaction it would give most readers of this blog to see NYC under 150′ of water, alas such an event is exceedingly unlikely given the human propensity to create massive building projects. The only way such an eventuality would be possible would be if the watermelon’s really got us back to the stone age and then the NYC inhabitants roasting rats over a garbage fire would just move up a few stories in the deserted city buildings every decade or two.
    If the watermelons ever thought of pulling out their their heads, now firmly and deeply stuck in their collective asses, and looking around they’d quickly come to the realization that a bit of plant food in the atmosphere is nothing compared to the climalogic effects of a dinosaur killer asteroid impacting or a nearby star going supernova. Gaia worries about those things and hence is getting rather annoyed with homo sapiens and we can just hope and pray that Gaia hasn’t decided to end this particular experiment in becoming more adept at gaining access to the interplanetary environment. Gaia thinks in terms of millenia and there may be another species ready to fill the niche that humans have failed to exploit.

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