It was the best of times, it was the worst of Times… (h/t Terry)
17 Replies to “Tale Of Two Losers”
“With Americans paying $250 a month to fill up on gasoline when electricity can do the job in the (Chevrolet) Volt for $50 a month, why are we being told electric cars are failures? Who could possibly be behind this?”
Who indeed? The author of the linked piece attributes the above quote to one: ‘Chris Paine, the man behind the documentary Who Killed the Electric Car.’ I had to look it up, Who Killed the Electric Car is a documentary, or maybe a crockumentary(?), from 2006. The Chevy Volt started production in, I think, late 2010.
I’d like to see Mr. Paine’s data for that claim of a $200/month saving by buying (and driving) a Chevy Volt. The author gives no URL to substantiate any of this?
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New cars are ugly and cheap. They have a limp character and no personality. They are made from brittle, plastic products, they feature ticky tacky interiors: third class movie theater seats, little leg room (esp in the back), ugly steering wheels,they don’t have proper ashtrays, they have cheap interior lights….boring . Ugh! who would want to spend a years wages on a pile of cheap plastic that is unlikable when brand new, dispicable when older.
What junk. Ele tric cars don’t work. I am an elctrical engineer and wish they did, but they don’t. They are useless.
Don’t drive at night in winter, or expect to go large distances rapidly (hours of recharge time, might as well stop in a motel overnight).
Also to be considered is the proximity to first responders with the proper training if you are unlucky enough to get into a accident with a Volt. You could wait a long time before someone feels lucky and touches the door handle.
From wiki
Accident and rescue handling
In August 2010, General Motors began a training program for first responders when performing rescue duties involving the Chevrolet Volt. The program began at the 2010 Fire-Rescue International in Chicago, using a pre-production Volt for a live extrication exercise. Chicago firefighters demonstrated the sequence of tasks required to safely disable the vehicle’s powertrain and its 12-volt electrical system, which controls its high-voltage components, and then proceed to extricate injured occupants.[110] As of January 2011, additional training workshops had taken place in several other cities corresponding to the Volt’s initial launch markets.[111] An Emergency Response Guide for the 2011 Volt was made available at its Service Technical College for use by emergency responders. The guide also describes methods of disabling the high voltage system and identifies cut zone information.[112]
“Fair coverage of electric vehicles may be suffering at the hands of sentimental baby boomers clinging to their internal combustion past”
Ummmmmm….bu77sh1t,moron. They are sticking to what they know works. Has anybody else noticed how these eco-cultists never provide links??? I want my vehicle to go further than 50 miles before calling a tow truck just because I had my heater and defrost on at -30C.
His $200 per month fuel savings will evaporate rapidly when (a) he has to replace the batteries, or (b) he tries to trade it in when the battery life is coming due. I drive a 27-year old diesel that I bought used and have put 100,000 miles on in the last ten years; I like being surrounded by two tons of solid steel and I still get 36 mpg on the highway. The greenie author shows his own bias in his belief in “man-made climate change”, so he can’t really criticize the gearheads.
Can you imagine having one of these in the winter in Canada, and getting caught up in one of those hour long traffic jams, in a snow storm at -10/20?
“Fair coverage of electric vehicles may be suffering at the hands of sentimental baby boomers clinging to their internal combustion past”
Perhaps, but certainly not to the extent that….
Fair coverage of electric vehicles may be suffering at the hands of idealistic new-age fools pining for a hopeless vision of an Enviro-Shangri-La sold to them by eco-shysters.”
when did the “sun” start hiring watermellons to write Op Eds?????
No it’s a different ‘Sun’ paper in Vancouver. “The Province” is the Sun paper in BC. It’s Vancouver.. San Francisco north. #vancouver
Not having any facts, watermelons resort to ad-hom attacks. This article doesn’t surprise me being written in one of the newspapers from the moonbat capital of Canada.
I’m sure the author of the piece wouldn’t understand a simple concept like “energy density”. Energy density is why we still use gasoline and why we gave up on wind power centuries ago. I’ve commented many times before; when an electric vehicle has a battery whose energy density is greater than that of a tank full of gasoline (including the weight of the gasoline tank) I’ll be interested in getting one. However, that would be under the condition that I could hack the vehicles electrical system and sensors to my specifications including ripping out any statist spyware.
Being a baby boomer, I’ve got a sentimental attachment to a real science and mathematics education and it’s not something I’m going to give up. And, BTW, I also like internal combustion engines and enjoy the feeling of being encased in over a ton of steel when I drive down the highway. My Grand Cherokee is a gas pig getting only 10 mpg in the city (20 mpg highway, and over 60 mpg going downhill) but it cost me $3500 and I’ll likely never put $50 K worth of gas into it. My next vehicle, when the current one dies will be another used SUV.
I drive a 27-year old diesel that I bought used and have put 100,000 miles on in the last ten years; I like being surrounded by two tons of solid steel and I still get 36 mpg on the highway.
So do I; best vehicle investment I ever made. Mine will last for hundreds of thousands of miles and operates reliably all year long in any temperature.
This comparison of a gasser a diesel and a hybrid is very interesting: http://life.nationalpost.com/2013/02/21/hybrid-vs-diesel-vs-gas-which-one-saves-you-more-money/
Ele tric cars don’t work. I am an elctrical engineer and wish they did, but they don’t. They are useless.Posted by: Robert of Ottawa
Electric cars do work, that much is obvious. They don’t work reliably anywhere it gets cold enough to snow.
A diesel-electric hybrid with plug-in charging is a better option for urban users who want to reduce tailpipe pollution.
“A diesel-electric hybrid with plug-in charging is a better option for urban users who want to reduce tailpipe pollution.”
Bwahahahahaha. How’s the Kool-aid,Nof60? Lets see. Diesel emits CO2,which is NOT a pollutant. And just how is that electricity produced? Oh right. Pixie dust and unicorn farts. And if you really are north of 60,you sure as hell ain’t driving no sparky.
Throw in baby boomer-induced sentimentality … born before 1964
Oh those baby-boomers, clinging to their outdated concepts – like E=MC2
And don’t forget batteries deteriorate with age. How long does your 3 year old cell phone hold a charge? The range quoted by manufacturers is with a brand new battery. Your range of operation shrinks from day one.
“With Americans paying $250 a month to fill up on gasoline when electricity can do the job in the (Chevrolet) Volt for $50 a month, why are we being told electric cars are failures? Who could possibly be behind this?”
Who indeed? The author of the linked piece attributes the above quote to one: ‘Chris Paine, the man behind the documentary Who Killed the Electric Car.’ I had to look it up, Who Killed the Electric Car is a documentary, or maybe a crockumentary(?), from 2006. The Chevy Volt started production in, I think, late 2010.
I’d like to see Mr. Paine’s data for that claim of a $200/month saving by buying (and driving) a Chevy Volt. The author gives no URL to substantiate any of this?
.
New cars are ugly and cheap. They have a limp character and no personality. They are made from brittle, plastic products, they feature ticky tacky interiors: third class movie theater seats, little leg room (esp in the back), ugly steering wheels,they don’t have proper ashtrays, they have cheap interior lights….boring . Ugh! who would want to spend a years wages on a pile of cheap plastic that is unlikable when brand new, dispicable when older.
What junk. Ele tric cars don’t work. I am an elctrical engineer and wish they did, but they don’t. They are useless.
Don’t drive at night in winter, or expect to go large distances rapidly (hours of recharge time, might as well stop in a motel overnight).
Also to be considered is the proximity to first responders with the proper training if you are unlucky enough to get into a accident with a Volt. You could wait a long time before someone feels lucky and touches the door handle.
From wiki
Accident and rescue handling
In August 2010, General Motors began a training program for first responders when performing rescue duties involving the Chevrolet Volt. The program began at the 2010 Fire-Rescue International in Chicago, using a pre-production Volt for a live extrication exercise. Chicago firefighters demonstrated the sequence of tasks required to safely disable the vehicle’s powertrain and its 12-volt electrical system, which controls its high-voltage components, and then proceed to extricate injured occupants.[110] As of January 2011, additional training workshops had taken place in several other cities corresponding to the Volt’s initial launch markets.[111] An Emergency Response Guide for the 2011 Volt was made available at its Service Technical College for use by emergency responders. The guide also describes methods of disabling the high voltage system and identifies cut zone information.[112]
“Fair coverage of electric vehicles may be suffering at the hands of sentimental baby boomers clinging to their internal combustion past”
Ummmmmm….bu77sh1t,moron. They are sticking to what they know works. Has anybody else noticed how these eco-cultists never provide links??? I want my vehicle to go further than 50 miles before calling a tow truck just because I had my heater and defrost on at -30C.
His $200 per month fuel savings will evaporate rapidly when (a) he has to replace the batteries, or (b) he tries to trade it in when the battery life is coming due. I drive a 27-year old diesel that I bought used and have put 100,000 miles on in the last ten years; I like being surrounded by two tons of solid steel and I still get 36 mpg on the highway. The greenie author shows his own bias in his belief in “man-made climate change”, so he can’t really criticize the gearheads.
Can you imagine having one of these in the winter in Canada, and getting caught up in one of those hour long traffic jams, in a snow storm at -10/20?
“Fair coverage of electric vehicles may be suffering at the hands of sentimental baby boomers clinging to their internal combustion past”
Perhaps, but certainly not to the extent that….
Fair coverage of electric vehicles may be suffering at the hands of idealistic new-age fools pining for a hopeless vision of an Enviro-Shangri-La sold to them by eco-shysters.”
when did the “sun” start hiring watermellons to write Op Eds?????
No it’s a different ‘Sun’ paper in Vancouver. “The Province” is the Sun paper in BC. It’s Vancouver.. San Francisco north. #vancouver
Not having any facts, watermelons resort to ad-hom attacks. This article doesn’t surprise me being written in one of the newspapers from the moonbat capital of Canada.
I’m sure the author of the piece wouldn’t understand a simple concept like “energy density”. Energy density is why we still use gasoline and why we gave up on wind power centuries ago. I’ve commented many times before; when an electric vehicle has a battery whose energy density is greater than that of a tank full of gasoline (including the weight of the gasoline tank) I’ll be interested in getting one. However, that would be under the condition that I could hack the vehicles electrical system and sensors to my specifications including ripping out any statist spyware.
Being a baby boomer, I’ve got a sentimental attachment to a real science and mathematics education and it’s not something I’m going to give up. And, BTW, I also like internal combustion engines and enjoy the feeling of being encased in over a ton of steel when I drive down the highway. My Grand Cherokee is a gas pig getting only 10 mpg in the city (20 mpg highway, and over 60 mpg going downhill) but it cost me $3500 and I’ll likely never put $50 K worth of gas into it. My next vehicle, when the current one dies will be another used SUV.
I drive a 27-year old diesel that I bought used and have put 100,000 miles on in the last ten years; I like being surrounded by two tons of solid steel and I still get 36 mpg on the highway.
So do I; best vehicle investment I ever made. Mine will last for hundreds of thousands of miles and operates reliably all year long in any temperature.
This comparison of a gasser a diesel and a hybrid is very interesting:
http://life.nationalpost.com/2013/02/21/hybrid-vs-diesel-vs-gas-which-one-saves-you-more-money/
Ele tric cars don’t work. I am an elctrical engineer and wish they did, but they don’t. They are useless.Posted by: Robert of Ottawa
Electric cars do work, that much is obvious. They don’t work reliably anywhere it gets cold enough to snow.
A diesel-electric hybrid with plug-in charging is a better option for urban users who want to reduce tailpipe pollution.
“A diesel-electric hybrid with plug-in charging is a better option for urban users who want to reduce tailpipe pollution.”
Bwahahahahaha. How’s the Kool-aid,Nof60? Lets see. Diesel emits CO2,which is NOT a pollutant. And just how is that electricity produced? Oh right. Pixie dust and unicorn farts. And if you really are north of 60,you sure as hell ain’t driving no sparky.
Throw in baby boomer-induced sentimentality … born before 1964
Oh those baby-boomers, clinging to their outdated concepts – like E=MC2
And don’t forget batteries deteriorate with age. How long does your 3 year old cell phone hold a charge? The range quoted by manufacturers is with a brand new battery. Your range of operation shrinks from day one.