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And BamBam’s favorite $billionaire, Warren Buffet, has $big $investments in those railways.
No coincidence.
those rail cars are full of pixedust and unicorn farts…no worries enviro-weenies!
And isn’t it ironic that the oil will move by train in already constructed tracks right through the Fraser/Thompson watersheds in beautiful British Columbia? Who needs stinking oil pipelines anyway!
120 cars per day from Stoughton to Regina on Stewart Southern Railway, and on to US via CPR. One year ago no cars per day.
The Hathaway Highway..?..The Berkshire/Buffet Pipeline..?
Kate, good for rubbing it in, although it is too bad one of Obama’s pals is making a lot of money on these trains. There is no hypocrite like a lefty or a crony capitalist.
All these eco-morons will not rest until the Malthusian theory is implemented.
What is the location of that train and when was the picture taken? No snow.
Crazy Warren’s Bitumen Bubble Discount Rolling Pipeline..?..
Not to worry,Kate.The eco-cultists will find some way to deny this. When you have as much cognitive dissonance as leftards have,their is only room in their pea brains for hypocrisy,no logic or thinking.
120 cars per day from Stoughton to Regina on Stewart Southern Railway, and on to US via CPR.
Heh, value added oil…takes the long way around.
I sincerely hope they don’t go that route with Northern gateway. The CN tracks are not in very good shape, not much maintenance after they laid off the old CN crews.
Where the CN crews patrolled the tracks daily and each crew had about forty miles to look after, now a sub-contractor zips down the tracks in one of those trucks with wheels. They really don’t get a very good look at things until the situation is very bad,then they send in big crews with heavy duty machinery and fix ’em. Meantime,some of the tracks and ties are in really bad shape.
With increased traffic of heavy tankers,I can see derailments like the one near McBride about six years back,but a lot more disastrous.
Build the f***ing pipeline,boys,and we can all rest a little easier.
“Heh, value added oil…takes the long way around”
It’s just a switch back that will pass Stoughton on the second try and end up near North Gate, they are building a port trading facility.. Oil & Grain going South, home brew & Indian tobacco going north..
But DM, it might hurt the Spirit Bear!
Or, it will….ah, screw it, its all rubbish from the leftards. How cna the construction of a pipeline, cause destruction 300km away, or 400km? That’s the leap of faith (or fanatacism) that the envirofascists want people to believe.
As I’ve said to many, for the envirofascists, opposition of anything and everything, no matter how obtuse, is the means to an end. And they’ve painted this as the end of the world, as extreme, and far-fetched a policy as you could imahine. And the MSM doesn’t question them or interrogate them at all, that every statement they utter is a God-given fact, when the opposite is true.
Pardon me, Kate, is that the Chattanooga Choo Choo?
Kate nails it. I know friends who are heavily involved in the oil biz, and they tell me that the ecofascist kooks have no clue how much oil is now being shipped by rail. Buffet is in on the business too, and yet he is a big Obama supporter. The left and hypocrisy are completely indistinguishable. (Just like Facebook and taxes).
Shipping oil by rail is a perfect example of what happens when businessmen and engineers are free to find creative solutions to the ecofascists getting in their way. And ironically there is a greater risk to the environment when shipping oil by rail than by pipeline.
Their immediate target is to shut down the oilsands.Great picture BTW,it reminds me of the first time that I came across the grain cars on the prairies( will they ever end?).
Their secondary target is to be able to relive their ‘glory days’ in front of their ‘peers’and other enthralled children.Tertiary target,immediate gratification, maybe even a life partner.
That is about it,except for the hard-core who have a financial stake in the matter.
The Trans-Canada caused and causes much more disruption to the pristine wilderness than ANY pipeline ever could. But it is and was necessary,no one can argue that point.Same goes for the railways,but none of that matters to them,if the oil is legislated to only be moved by railcar,the rabble will be satisfied.
Pipelines are the best way to move the product,economical and safe,no one can argue that point…except for the eco-elite.
For those of you who have never seen an oil pipeline, there really isn’t much to see. Pipelines are minimally disruptive, unlike highways, as is also commented above.
Anyway, those tank cars are beautiful to see.
although it sometimes hurts I occasionally find myself on CBCpravda tv. last night it was PeterPansbridge ex , Wendy Mesley. a guest panelist from the huffingon post who said jobs wasnt a consideration for building the pipeline as they would be replaced by all those green jobs. andddddd , the oil pipeline wasnt required as there was all this gas frac(k)ing down south.(quite unrelated products as the price would show) offbase on every lip movement she made.
i read somewheres recently that fracing was a modern drilling technique…
It is difficult to comprehend how the Canadian media party will repeat whatever garbage NBC gives them.
Most would expect CBC to support Canadian jobs and interests but they appear to be the biggest critic of all that is good in Canada.
The left has processing problems. If Obama told them those tankers were carrying used French fry grease to be made into biofuels, they would swoon.
Gotta love tritter Kate, no better place to brain-fry so many leftards with a fact lobotomy.
i read somewheres recently that fracing was a modern drilling technique…Posted by: syncrodox
That depends on your definition of ‘modern’. Hydraulic fracturing has been used in well completions since 1947.
ironically there is a greater risk to the environment when shipping oil by rail than by pipeline.
not necessarily so. a derailment might cause a few tanks to leak. when a pipeline ruptures it will leak out nearly all the oil between isolation valves.
I was being wry… and it’s a well stimulation/completion technique…
It occurred to me that they might have more success with the Keystone pipeline if they changed the name. Build the pipeline in smaller chunks. You could have a number of different names each for some small section of the pipeline. Then just get approval for the thing in bits and pieces. I know this sounds ridiculous — but this whole public frenzy is also ridiculous. Anti-pipeline involves misguided environmental groups are getting a lot of PR mileage out of these protests. The trick is to somehow thwart their PR campaign — a change of name might do it.
I wouldn’t worry too much. The coming war with Iran will be sufficient incentive.
Elections have consequences, remember?
Yeah yeah, we all know who won. China and the USSR.
OFFS, why do we care if Keystone gets built when our oil is so heavily discounted. All that matters is that our oil gets to a Canadian seaport where it can receive world price.
Obama and his ecoloons are doing Canada a favour.
No Skip,what matters is that we can show a profit for our product. That is the crux of the biscuit’. That is commerce.
Build the pipeline in smaller chunks.
that’s exactly what they’re doing
Except the chunk that crosses the 49th will be denied. Any bets?
Skip- as long as the oil gets to a port, it will get a world price. Anyone know whether the producers prefer an Atlantic port ( Gulf of Mexico ), or Pacific? I imagine they would prefer both, and will eventually have the choice of both. There is no question there will be a high volume extension on the Pipeline system terminating at the Gulf, due to the volume of Bakken oil ( 700k barrels per day, making North Dakota the 2nd ranked state in oil production. ). Bakken oil is subject to a steep discount, similar to the one suffered by oil sands crude transported through the US.
nearly all the oil between isolation valves , nah. oil as it is shipped is nearly an incompressable fluid. once the isolation valves , which are frequent , are shut only the gravity fed part of the line to th leak will come out .
I’m cheering for the Northern Gateway myself in that the customers on the Pacific Rim will have money that is worth something such as Yen, Rupees, Aus$ and Yuan whereas Keystone XL will have US customers that will have to convert inflationary Krugman-Obama bucks to Can$.
Personally I want to see the Alberta-NewBrunswick pipeline built. Currently my car along with every other car east of Sudbury is fueled by oil from Norway and Algeria at world price.
Yeah, when I read the original comment I thought – that doesn’t sound like something good engineers would do – design a system that continues to pump out valuable product when it’s breached. I know there’s always a tradeoff between cost and design, but given the cost of a cleanup, I’m pretty sure the pipeline companies take precautions to ensure any potential spill would be minimal, regardless of what the eco-freaks say.
Change the name from Keystone to Ketone and the left will think you are transporting a dietary supplement …. they are big on that stuff.
“The ketogenic diet is a high-fat, adequate-protein, low-carbohydrate diet that in medicine is used primarily to treat difficult-to-control (refractory) epilepsy in children.”
As soon as you add the word CHILDREN …. and imply it’s for them ….. well …. you know ….. might work …. they believe crazier shit than that already.
So typically Canadian that the debate over Northern Gateway or even the oil sands always centers around the environment. The ongoing economic impact is mostly ignored. The jealousy and envy of Alberta’s wealth permeates the country, even here in B.C. The ‘haves and have nots’, right?
Yes, Warren has BNSF and we have CNR and CPR. It makes no dif as rail cannot move enough volume to make a dif.
ct “It makes no dif as rail cannot move enough volume to make a dif.”
If they upgraded and doubled 2 – 300 miles of track out of Fort Mac. there could be maybe 10 different routes east, west, and south that which combined with existing pipelines could pretty much handle it all. The main problems are the added cost and the reduced safety.
You are incorrect. Oil needs to be sold where it earns the HIGHEST profit. Shareholders have a habit of insisting on this.
You are incorrect. There is already Canadian oil making its way to US tidewater in WA and the Gulf where they buy at discounted price and sell at world price. Do you actually believe these “premiums” are passed back to Canada?
When pipeline usage it at its designed capacity, the transport will go to the highest bidder. Hence the high discount on Bakken crude, which is served by a pipeline network that is operating at its designed capacity. Any discrepancy in price at WA ports for syncrude from the oilsands is due to the lack of outlets for the crude; the port facilities are limited, and their services go to the highest bidder. The point is, the crude produced in the middle of NA will only move at a discount, so long as the lack of higher capacity pipelines persists.
Competition will eliminate the discount on crude, if only Obama will clear the way for Keystone XL.
Love the picture, would rather have the Keystone Pipeline moving product. But I’ve read the comments an have missed something. I gather 120 cars are moving product out every day. What direction are they moving when full? Is there a map of the route? Is it leaving Canada into the USA? What companies are making this happen?
Sitting here in Florida I feel most comfortable operating in reality mode. Today’s news blurb is that Oklahoma Refineries are having trouble. I understand these refineries are being up-graded for the Canadian product. Can someone explain what this Railcar picture means?
“Enbridge Inc. is stepping up efforts to open new markets for Canadian oil on the U.S. Gulf Coast, while raising the spectre of further rationing of capacity on its mainline transportation system as oil sands production backs up along export routes.
On Friday, Enbridge unveiled a $3.4-billion project in tandem with Dallas-based Energy Transfer Partners to convert an existing natural gas pipeline to oil service. Pending regulatory approvals, the conversion would enable shipments of up to 660,000 barrels per day of Canadian and North Dakota Bakken oil from southern Illinois to Louisiana refineries by 2015.”
http://business.financialpost.com/2013/02/15/enbridge-profit-falls-plans-to-convert-gas-pipeline-to-ease-crude-glut/
DOTB-
Pipeline capacity to carry the ever increasing volumes of crude from Alberta and the Baken is in such short supply, that they are resorting to railroad tank cars to move crude – an archaic and expensive method from the earliest days of the oil industry.
Opponents of Keystone thought killing the pipeline would end oil production in these promising new md- continental fields, thus ” forcing ” this blind society to finally see the wisdom of the crazy talk parroted by the Green rank and file. These tank cars suggest tht view is a delusion, and suggests that perhaps the green rank and file are simply some of Lenin’s useful idiots, being manipulated by the far left radicals who lead the enviro movement, and are the ventrilquists who pull these dummies’ strings.
If the real problem was enviromental obstructionists I would have thought they would endorse Keystone XL and anyother pipeline that would bring world price to USA crude costs. If WTI is discounted roughly $30/bbl to Brent then increased energy costs would encourage conservation.