40 Replies to “Now Is The Time At SDA When We Juxtapose!”

  1. I’ll probably be accused of racism, but in my lifetime,the worst abusers of wildlife I’ve ever seen were Canada’s Indians.One example;we had a Waterhen or Skownan Rez Indian working for us when I was young. He would take my Dad’s rifle and shoot anything he saw,bears, skunks,rabbits,and just leave them lying where he shot them. He was supposed to be hunting deer or moose.
    Dad wouldn’t let him use the rifle anymore after I told him what the guy was doing. The Indian chap was deeply offended.
    Here in Kelowna,there are often mysterious moose kills with only the hind quarters taken,on or adjacent to FN land. I suppose the politically correct thing to do is to suggest it’s those damned White hunters poaching out of season, but the Game Wardens are strangely silent when asked who they think might be responsible.
    Responsible stewards of the environment? That’s a joke,son, as Foghorn Leghorn used to say.

  2. I haven’t bought that ‘natives are the best conservationists and care takers of the environment’ since I was in north-west Ontario in the ’80s and saw how they behave first hand.
    We were flying into a reserve in a single otter on floats when I noticed orange and yellow objects under the water. At the dock I asked the pilot what they were. “Skidoos, when they stop working they pull them on to the ice and let them fall through in the spring. The government always buys them new ones.”

  6. I gentleman from the US Navy PostGraduate School, who had a lot of Arctic experience, set me straight when I babbled on about Aboriginal stewardship of animal resources: “their conservation policy is to shoot anything that moves;” which seems to be true.

  7. Stewards of the land? Bwahahahahaha. Right up there with the “noble” savage fairy tale crap.Just go look at your average reserve,and you’ll see how well they can keep things up and in fine shape.
    Al_in_Ottawa….same effing crap in Ft.Simpson with the Deh Cho there. Only they have expanded it to include ATV’s.Hey. Maybe they are advancing.

  10. “I’ll probably be accused of racism, but in my lifetime,the worst abusers of wildlife I’ve ever seen were Canada’s Indians.”
    Very true. I have heard similar stories from others with first hand experience.

  11. A mate of mine used to be a bush pilot in the NWT, and he would confirm these stories. He told me he was at some settlement when the caribou herd came through and everyone in town dropped what they were doing and killed caribou until they didn’t have the strength to kill any more. They then dragged the vast majority of the dead animals to the town dump.

  12. A few winters ago in late spring here in Alberta I took a short cut on the back road. Along a river valley. Lots of bare ground and grass showing in the forest meadow along the river bank. Came upon 2 pickups with Indians. They had been slaughtering Elk cows heavy with calf. They shot as many as 2 men could shoot from the road about 6 head. Then proceeded to gut the cows and pull the fully formed unborn calves out of the cows bellies and dump them. I told them they were a Ffffing disgrace. Took their license numbers and phoned the Fish Cops. They said they could do nothing. I returned the nextday and they were at it again, same thing. I called the fish cops again and this time they sent a chopper to drive the exhausted cows heavy with calf back into the bush. Disgusting animals. Oh yah the one guy had a job and was a so called pipe carrier for his band. So much for Indian stewards of the land. In the north all land for miles and miles around the reserves is completely hunted and fished out. If you live in the north these kinds of occurances are daily occuraneces and we all know about it, boat loads of rotten fish, big game slaughtered and just the loins and hind quarters removed. Maybe Sowzuki the Fruit Fly Pimp could do a documentary on the Indian Butchery of Canada’s wild animals. Its disgusting.

  13. I was working the cash register at a drugstore when a small group of natives came in bragging about how they ambushed a herd of deer feeding on a large hay bail with their .22’s. They didn’t drop any but they know they hit them good from the blood trails leading back into the bush. Has anyone else ever seen conservation officers pulling nets loaded with dead and rotting fish from lakes because they were left for too long? I remember these events every time I hear about the “keepers of the land”.

  14. It’s just another example of “low information” urbanites. This is not news for anyone who’s lived in a rural area near a reserve.

  15. ” The use of bald eagles by natives should be the subject of negotiation – not prosecution, said national chief Shawn Atleo at a Thursday press conference to condemn an undercover investigation into the slaughter of bald eagles.”
    I can’t imagine any religion,cult,or organization getting a pass on killing 50 bald eagles for ceremonial/superstition purposes,but the ‘stewards of the environment’ did.
    Natives have little concern for nature,other than what they can take from it.
    http://m.theglobeandmail.com/news/british-columbia/cultures-clash-over-birds-of-prey/article1617270/?service=mobile

  16. The concept of ‘the noble savage’ was created by Jean-Jacques Rousseau, who never left Europe. Two and a half centuries later the elites believe it because they study Rousseau in university. If they actually went out to the reserves as Joe Schmoe instead of a mucky-muck the aboriginals want to impress they would see the truth.
    Other followers of Rousseau’s theories were the Jacobins who happily murdered tens of thousands of people in France during the French Revolution.

  17. I always have a chuckle at the statements coming from Native groups re. consultation on environmental protections.
    You were consulted – it produced the First Nations Land Management Act and First Nations Commercial and Industrial Development Act.
    The Indian Act’s provisions haven’t been updated to reflect economic development and land management since the 1950s. Harper just deleted from the Indian Act what is already covered under provisions of the FNLMA and FNCIDA re. environmental protection, development, etc.
    Go read them.

  18. If nothing else the video shows the reason not to have a ban on large capacity ammunition clips: it would discriminate against native hunters.
    btw, lived & worked up north and have seen the “stewards of the land” in action. What may have been true a few generations back hasn’t been true for a frick of a long time.

  21. The notion that the native americans were ecological stewards of the land is absurd. The only reason they did not kill more buffalo is that they couldn’t. They tried. Google buffalo jump.
    For a great read on this subject:
    http://www.amazon.com/Ecological-Indian-Myth-History/dp/0393321002/ref=sr_1_5?s=books&ie=UTF8&qid=1358379884&sr=1-5&keywords=indians+and+the+environment
    I grew up on the west coast and remember how well the natives managed the salmon resource. They used their treaty rights to build weirs at the head of salmon run rivers to take the fish (many pregnant females) before they could swim upstream to breed. As an avid fisherman (shore casting using six pound test line and a half ounce lure) I cringed at the site of abandoned corpses left by these compassionate stewards of the land.
    What is St. Theresa Spence’s ceremonial headress made of? Dead critters.

  22. Over the last quarter century or so I’ve hunted in the northern forest zones in Sask- Zone 56 mainly, but others as well, and have first hand knowledge of the practices of these so called ‘stewards of the land’.
    Much of the area is (was) accessable only by roads punched in by logging operators harvesting timber therein. Not uncommon to see 2 or 3 fancy, spot-light equipped 4x4s patrolling these corridors, sometimes with a couple of shooters in the back, draped over the cab- loaded rifles at ready. The moose and deer kills were high.
    Even worse, later in the winter while snowmobiling the area, far past the official hunting seasons, we’d encounter kill sites, many of them cow moose undoubtedly heavy in calf.
    Fortunately it’s improved somewhat. SERM has implimented a system of road closures/barricades to exclude vehicle traffic, so the only access will be on foot or by quad, and you know that’s gotta be too much like work for those ‘hunters’!
    Stewards of the land! Ha, it is to laugh!!

  23. I heard the Grand Chief on CTV tell Newman (I think that is the name of the moderator on the CTV political hour) that LOTS of ‘other’ people were joining the bridge blockers in Detroit – Unions, Auto workers, Environmentalists….Is the fruit fly involved? Is Sorass in on this? Are those elitist chiefs and their pals joining with Agenda 21 radicals to undermine the economy of Canada? Is this a ‘divide and conquer’ tactic?
    Some of those Chiefs and their pals behave like tin pot dictators and the serfs (people not ‘in’ with the Chief and pals) are behaving like ‘useful idiots’, a la Lenin, if they don’t speak up about the corruption on the reservations. If the regulars don’t speak, they are cowards and have no one but themselves to blame for a sorry state of existence. The time to squawk is right now; Chiefass Spender has brought the ‘problem’ to the public – she said all the $$ go to lawyers, consultants, treaty rights experts, salaries for councilors….I believe her!
    Why are unions blockading bridges? What to they expect the Idle outfit to pay/do for the Union in return for support? Things that make me go hummm?
    NB we all know TIDES fund the tribes on the W. coast who are blockading the E/W pipeline. Something smells fishy, IMO, and it is not rotten fish from the Fraser.

  25. wnmc beat me to it but the buffalo jumps weren’t about respect and conservation decades ago, so nothing has changed. In fact the introduction of the horse was the key to some of the tribes mass slaughter of animals.

  27. I was in Stony Rapids in Northern Sask a few years back. My native taxi driver boasted to me how he and his son had caught an entire herd of caribou on the ice with their snowmobiles the previous day … they shot them all (about 30). Sure, the whole town got in on the meat-fest; but caribou is not a staple up there … pop’n chips are. I’m a hunter and was disgusted by the carnage. What a disgraceful fall these stone-age hunters have taken … from being incredibly skilled at surviving in the harsh north with little more than stone age weapons … to using high powered rifles and snowmobiles to slaughter entire herds on the ice. Somehow think the “Great Spirit” is more disgusted than me.
    Another load of guano I came across, was an interview with a “traditional” hunter on APTN in regards to indian hunting practices. His quote:
    “I may use the white man’s snow mobile. I may use the white man’s truck. I may use the white man’s gun. But I am a spiritual man.”

  28. A friend who worked at a mine in northern Canada told me once he and some pals came across about 10 natives on snowmobiles tormenting a moose, and then they finally shot it, and then just left it and took off to find another animal to kill. So much for being stewards of the environment.
    Reading the stories posted here, combined with the first hand accounts I have heard over the years, I conclude that nearly all natives are barbaric savages.
    That’s why the west went to the moon, built the transistor, invented the automobile, and so forth, while the natives all sat around getting drunk and blaming the white man for their own stupid mistakes.
    They are losers.

  30. A few years ago my wife’s cousin Albert went out in the middle of the night to fuel up a pump he had running to fill a dugout for his cattle and saw a vehicle driving in one of his stubble fields.
    He drove in and chased a truck out that had a heaping load of whitetail deer in the box. When the truck swerved onto the grid road a deer carcass fell onto the road off the top. It sped away and he chased for a couple of miles till he realized they had rifles and he didn’t. The next day he was in Kamsack Sask 25 miles away and saw the same truck with half a load of deer and a Mountie talking to the occupants. He stopped to tell the Mountie where the deer had been poached in Manitoba before season when he realized the Mountie was buying a deer from the Indians in the truck.Obviously no charges would be laid!
    How did they hunt before they had lights, rifles, and trucks?

  31. Good point: Let ’em hunt all they want, with dog-teams, and archery weapons.
    I’d have absolutely no problem with that.
    The real hunters would be out there, the rest lined up at KFC.

  32. On the bright side, all this elk killin’ isn’t going to help them in the image department with the suburban bunny hugger set.
    Remember when the Moronto dwellers were all upset because the Taliban poisoned a dog on video? Mess with that at your peril, Chief Escalade.

  33. When I was a kid, I briefly lived in a northern town. What has been said here could be said over and over. Dogs became so wild because of abuse and neglect (which people gladly reciprocated with their kids) that they would have to be shot. I personally saw an Indian boy pick up a dog by the skin of its back and shake it like a rag doll. Pollution was rampant. We had to take a day off school when spring came to clean the place up (I didn’t know why I had to as I am not a filthy litter-bug). Car batteries, diapers, old furniture, you name it- the “stewards of the earth” left the stuff there to rot.
    I have no idea why one group gets a carte blanche to wipe out a species. First Nations membership has its privileges, I guess.

  34. “Diapers”. Wow, you just brought a couple memories to my mind.
    Growing up, the most common thing to see in the Wetaskiwin mall parking lot was dirty diapers left by our neighborly patrons from Hobbema. The second most common thing was sea-gulls which were devouring the third most common thing, tossed McDonalds food(also discarded from the vehicle windows of our beloved neighbors to the south).
    How would you describe a babysitter of a native parent going to play bingo in Wetaskiwin? I would describe it as an arcade and a handful of quarters. Of course you can’t play arcade games while holding quarters, and since pockets are inconvenient, the mouth becomes a great and easily accessible storage space. Yep, kids playing video game with a handful of quarters stuck in their mouths with saliva dripping on the floor; all while the parents are all cozy in the bingo hall down the road.
    Stewards? *laughs*

  37. There’s always lots of stories. Here’ my first hand experience. Every September a major Van. Island river sees a major run of Chinook and Coho spawners. Only aboriginals are allowed to fish below a certain point – a large pool, before a series of large rapids. At the rapids, there’s room for about a half dozen non-aboriginal fisherman to cast their lines.
    The aboriginals use small boats with outboards and nets in the pool, driving in circles to concentrate the fish, thus taking the vast majority of fish in the river at that particular time. Fair enough. The law says it’s their right to do so. But they resent the non-aboriginals with their single fishing line, angling for ‘their’ fish. So they gun their boats up to the base of the rapids repeatedly in an attempt to spook the fish, making it nearly impossible for the also legal, licensed fisherman to take a single fish.
    These same natives then sell their fish for $10 – $13 each and they throughout the province they sell them by the hundreds of thousands. Now the law use to specify that all fish caught were to be use solely for food and ceremonial purposes, but just as with the Ontario Chief of Police, the issue was considered too political to touch. No conservation or police officer would consider approaching a native selling fish illegally.
    That’s not to let the non-aboriginals off the ‘hook’ however. After all, someone is buying all those fish.
    In any event, because the law was ‘unenforceable’ the simple solution was to change the law and now natives can catch and sell as many fish as they wish – a nice supplement to the unearned income they receive from the feds. And because the ‘law of the commons’ – otherwise known as human nature – comes into play, the resource is exploited regardless of whether it is considered sustainable or not.

  38. Yeah but the natives probably thanked the Elk and the big Turtle for their souls, so it’s all good and romantically childlike aint it?

  39. Check out Jean-Jacques Rousseau’s life. He was a real piece of work. His “partner,” Therese, a simple servant girl, and he had four children, who all ended up in an orphanage because he wanted to be part of Parisian high society. Any ideas he may have had about North American Natives were second-hand at best and, at worst, based on nothing but wishful thinking and empty platitudes.

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