…of the CPSU Republican Party decides Ron Paul does not exist:
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As the roll call of states commenced [and continued], several states listed votes for both Romney and Paul. When repeating back the count, those at the podium cited only the Romney votes.
Voice-brushing.
they won’t have much success convincing the Republican voters that Nader and McKinney are preferable to non-Marxist candidates. But at least now they are on the inside, so they can trash the place. How many of these nuts did time in Occupy
Your ass is for one thing only and that isn’t to be talked out of. So stop it.
Ron Paul DID NOT invent the teaparty. That is a complete falsehood. Much of what the teaparty is fighting for RP vigorously opposes. Teaparty Defense and foreign policy is diametrically opposed to that of the Paulians for example.
Ron Paul was Tea Party before the TP existed. While the TPers know what they oppose, RP and his followers know what they want.
There is no such thing as TP defense/foreign policy. The TP is about fiscal and economic policy however much you may want to make it another neocon gutter.
Gord Tulk is the cancer that is eating away at freedom. “B-b-but Obamahitler! THE PARTY! SERVE THE PARTY”
Therefore his ideas have credibility. langmann
Can you be specific? All of them? That the West provoked the otherwise reasonable Islamists into a centuries-old ( and counting ) murder frenzy?
Here’s an interesting addition to the argument from one Chris Christie:
Christie’s RNC text
If you read Christie’s speech carefully, while reviewing the comments above, it’s hard not to substitute the words “Ron Paul” for “Romney” without changing the meaning one whit. Who tells the hard truths? Who has more respect for the individual? Who has the long term interest of America at heart?
It’s not at all that I don’t think Mitt will do a better job than Bambam. First, he could hardly do worse, but I sincerely believe Romney is intelligent and competent, while Bambam is merely cunning and chameleon. My fear is that Mitt, as he did in Massachusetts, will only try to effect change at the margins, and not make the radical moves America needs.
Two final thoughts about Romney, and I swear I’ll shut up for the next ten weeks (unless I really have to comment).
First, I’m afraid he won’t play dirty. He seems like a straight arrow, and I don’t think he’d condone anything that even seemed underhanded. Of course, we all know the Chicago-steeped and ACORN-infested Democrats won’t have any such compunctions.
And second, one thing I don’t get about Mormons is they believe in Jesus, but won’t even drink coffee or Coca-cola, let alone booze. Didn’t Jesus turn water into wine? Aren’t they implying their moral judgement is superior to His? I still think a lot of Americans have doubts about the guy because of this. I mean, if Mormons think they know better than their accepted Son of God about what substances people should ingest, what other ideas might they think they have special insight to?
What Doowleb said @ 11:11, or they and we will continue on the road to serfdom.
LAS – It was Ron Paul, not me who said he supported McKinney and Nader as alternatives to Bush. Please don’t shoot the messenger.
While the TPers know what they oppose, RP and his followers know what they want.
Yeah, they want RP to be president for life. And more grape Kool-Aid.
Tea Party people know what they want – a return to Constitutional government, which was the birthright of every American, but which Obama has replaced with a corrupt system having the very power of life and death- control of who gets medical care in the US. Anything wrong with asking who the heck is gonna pay for Utopia, or asking whether Utopia is even possible in human society.?
Small Con: if you think Obama is the primary source of our problems then you are as out of your depth as you appear to be. The problems go back further.
RP followers want a return to constitutional government. TPers want that…except when they don’t ie drugs, spying, etc Like all conservatives, they are hypocrites, so social issues and FP get left alone. That is the TP detente between cons and libertarians within the TP. It is a good detente.
If Ron Paul supported those people, he was silly. So what?
Wow! Amazing how a topic can shoot off into all different directions.
I asked the question early and did not get a real answer: “In an election where EVERY vote counts, why would they choose to piss of Paul supporters?”
The wonderful dimzzard of OZ wondered if I was from Quebec while offering some platitude about the Paul voters staying home.
The GOP convention refused to announce the vote totals for Ron Paul. Don’t get me wrong. I think that Paul is high on the list, along with Joe Biden, to be chosen America’s crazy uncle.
Still doesn’t explain why they would want to piss off ANY voter in this election.
Posted by: small c conservative at August 28, 2012 9:12 PM
Everybody read this post memorize it and live by it or suffer four years of Barry Saroto with nothing to loose.
Sure sit this one out, what could go wrong.
“Tell Putin that after the next election I have more freedom to act.” Obama to Russia.
Ron Paul supports Iran’s nuclear program. That is all.
” I don’t care who our candidate is, and I haven’t since the beginning of this – I haven’t! Ask not what the candidate can do for you, ask what you can do for the candidate – and that’s what the Tea Party is. We are there to confront them, on behalf of our candidate. I will march behind whoever our candidate is, because if we don’t, we lose. There are 2 paths – there are 2 paths! – one is America, and the other one is Occupy. One is America, the other one is Occupy. And I don’t care …anyone that’s willing to stand next to me and fight the Progressive Left, I will be in that bunker. And if you’re not in that bunker, because you’re not satisfied with this candidate, more than shame on you: You are on the other side. “
Breitbart sure could be stupid sometimes. “Don’t think-thinking is bad for The Party”
James, RP does not endorse Iran’s nuclear program. You must be watching CNN to have come to that conclusion.
RP says that Iran has the right to “choose” whether they want, need, require, and use nuclear technology to advance their standard of living. He is a libertarian, which stands for having the freedom to do whatever you want, so long as it does no “harm” to anyone else.
You need to read just a little more or get out from the basement suite.
In an election where every vote counts – they choose to piss off Paul supporters?
~a different bob
In an election where every vote counts, Paul supporters would be stupid enough to vote for anyone except Romney?
Where do you live, Quebec?
~Oz at August 28, 2012 8:01 PM
Dimbob, I asked because the people of Quebec think as you do, that it’s reasonable for the tail to wag the dog.
There is no question that RP fanatics are thin-skinned touchie members of a personality cult or that they are “pissed off” as you put it.
Mitt Romney is the Republican candidate, RP and his bitter Libertarian supporters can either accept it or take their toys and go home.
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A high-profile group within the Democratic Party is condemning the Republicans for planning to air a video tribute to Rep. Ron Paul (R – TX) at their national convention, saying it is unacceptable to pay tribute to Paul given his foreign policy positions and “dangerous” for Gov. Romney to maintain any link with Paul.
[…]
Republican Jewish Coalition director Matt Brooks said a short video of Rep. Paul was a “small price to pay” for keeping him from making a speech at the convention.
From
http://tinyurl.com/8jmgp78
It was a calculated snub, a tradeoff which seasoned policos felt was necessary.
I doubt that the lost votes from Ronulans who would have voted Republican will cost more than the damage the crazy Dr. Paul could inflict if he got a chance to speak at the convention.
Mitt Romney is the Republican candidate, RP and his bitter Libertarian supporters can either accept it or take their toys and go home.
That is exactly what they will do. And vote for Gary Johnson. Have fun losing! Cripes you’re dumb.
Ah, here is the reason when repeating back the count, those at the podium cited only the Romney votes.
It was a prearranged agreement between the Mitt Romney campaign and the Pauls.
________________________________________
Paul and Romney generally avoided attacking each other during the campaign, and other contenders accused the two of forging an alliance to marginalize opponents to Romney, in exchange for guaranteeing Paul and his son, Sen. Rand Paul (R-Ky.) greater influence within the party.
The younger Paul, who also backs cutting off foreign assistance, including to Israel, and who will have a convention speaking role, has otherwise avoided the incendiary statements that have marked his father’s career.
Matt Brooks, the director of the Republican Jewish Coalition, said the video tribute was a “small price to pay” for denying Ron Paul a convention speech, and his delegates the opportunity to vote for him — agreements that the Romney campaign apparently extracted in exchange for the tribute.
FROM
http://tinyurl.com/9lsq5ks
ET, I wasn’t singling out you or anyone in particular. I have heard various people still voice their support for Ron Paul even though that ship has sailed. Romney is the candidate and that is what we have to work with. That was my point.
That is exactly what they will do. And vote for Gary Johnson. Have fun losing! Cripes you’re dumb.
~Libertarians Are Shitheads
If Libertarians numbers were significant they’d wouldn’t be trying to wag-the-Republican-dog in the first place.
I’m confident that Mitt Romney will win the Presidency.
He’ll have plenty of unemployed Americans who would crawl over broken glass to vote against Obama, people who have never heard the name ‘Ron Paul’.
“First, I’m afraid he won’t play dirty. He seems like a straight arrow, and I don’t think he’d condone anything that even seemed underhanded” KevinB
The job of a CEO (President) is not to get into the Pig F*cking… The VP & Cristie will show the Obama crew the “NJ/NY” way to deal with Chicago cheap/petty hoods..
The Cristie Speach was Soft; this sets up the VP to come out swinging. If the VP doesn’t take the ball to the house; IMHO it will be a bad day.
Juan Williams made a real stupid comment on Fox, called Mitts lady a “Corporate Wife”…He is done!
If Libertarians numbers were significant they’d wouldn’t be trying to wag-the-Republican-dog in the first place. I’m confident that Mitt Romney will win the Presidency.
Then what are you so concerned about? Why do you even care?
BTW that link you posted appears to be nothing more than Jewish Democrats concern-trolling the GOP and RP in particular.
The Ronulans should be patient. A few more election cycles and complacency from our Tea Party supplicants and we will be in control.
LAS: FYI
http://pewresearch.org/pubs/2114/tea-party-foreign-policy-nation-security-israel-defense-china-immigration
Lots more if you google.
Paul has never been teaparty. In fact for a supposed libertarian he’s pretty autocratic.
The link explains why only the Romney votes were cited.
It was because of a pre-arranged deal between the Romney campaign and the Pauls.
the MONEY QUOTE
Matt Brooks, the director of the Republican Jewish Coalition, said the video tribute was a “small price to pay” for denying Ron Paul a convention speech, and his delegates the opportunity to vote for him — agreements that the Romney campaign apparently extracted in exchange for the tribute.
FROM
http://tinyurl.com/9lsq5ks
Of course the Ronulans at the convention would act like spoiled brats and act all butt-hurt even though the whole thing went down according to a pre-arrangement that their idol Dr. Paul agreed to.
Not to cast any aspersions on Ron Paul for the bad acting of his overzealous minions, after all Dr. Paul is so principled.
Obomney or Robama. Though choice…
I’ve been voting GOP since Nixon. At first more culturaland anti bigger gov/anti wine sipping hippies.
But the Libertarians are right about not so much Republican voters today, as the party. I am in Massachusetts and GOP voters are pissed at the big gov/big tax/big debt go socialism a bit slower GOP.
Romney is a liberal. He never came to a position he never was willing to abandon. He”s way better than Obama and with a Tea Party( ish ) Congress might side with Democrats , for “bipartisan ” good of the country.
Most GOP hacks wouldn’t know freer markets if you hit them over the head with it. The are real estate/ commercial hustlers that want more federal/state “assistance “. Defense contractors that want the latest boondoggle funded forthwith next decade and a half. Homeowners who couldn’t drive their zero down leased BMW to their get rich McMansion flip that they are now humble po’folk and want a bailout.
If it wasn’t for the old Goldwater/and young Libertarians the GOP would be to the left of JFK.
Romney is very tight. Like Nixon he is a bit of a outcast. I think he is fundemently decent.
Anyway,politics isn’t bean bag. RP has been in the wilderness a long time, and is old. He served in Vietnam. No Romney male, ever, not one has ever served. Not since they came to the US since 1840’s. Mormonism and Money.
Gosh, according to LAS,
IF you are conservative, THEN you are a hypocrite. The two values are necessarily connected. So, heh, if you are a hypocrite then you are a conservative!
And, he considers that the Tea Party existed before it existed. It was called Ron Paul.
And also, LAS considers that for anyone to consider that life begins at conception is ‘absurd’.
Our very own version of Biden and Obama; someone who talks without thought or facts.
a different bob said: “In an election where EVERY vote counts, why would they choose to piss of Paul supporters?”
Because they’re stupid. And short sighted. And because they pull these kinds of stunts all the time as little turf-war tactics.
Personally I think Ron Paul is a nut. I wouldn’t vote for him as dog catcher, much less president. Too many of his policies, particularly his foreign policy, are ill advised and doctrinaire. His followers come off like Moonies half the time.
But to not mention his nave in the voting? Stupid.
Paul C, you have a point. The RINOs and CINOs have helped the left move both the US and Canada deeper into socialist country for many decades now. Twentieth century liberalism would not recognize our statist world today.
Who will build the future?
Ron Paul and the Future
by Lew Rockwell
One of the most thrilling memories of the 2012 campaign was the sight of those huge crowds who came out to see Ron. His competitors, meanwhile, couldn’t fill half a Starbucks. When I worked as Ron’s chief of staff in the late 1970s and early 1980s, I could only dream of such a day.
Now what was it that attracted all these people to Ron Paul? He didn’t offer his followers a spot on the federal gravy train. He didn’t pass some phony bill. In fact, he didn’t do any of the things we associate with politicians. What his supporters love about him has nothing to do with politics at all.
Ron is the anti-politician. He tells unfashionable truths, educates rather than flatters the public, and stands up for principle even when the whole world is arrayed against him.
Some people say, “I love Ron Paul, except for his foreign policy.” But that foreign policy reflects the best and most heroic part of who Ron Paul is. Peace is the linchpin of the Paulian program, not an extraneous or dispensable adjunct to it. He would never and could never abandon it.
Here was the issue Ron could have avoided had he cared only for personal advancement.
But he refused. No matter how many times he’s been urged to keep his mouth shut about war and empire, these have remained the centerpieces of his speeches and interviews.
Of course, Ron Paul deserves the Nobel Peace Prize. In a just world, he would also win the Medal of Freedom, and all the honors for which a man in his position is eligible.
But history is littered with forgotten politicians who earned piles of awards handed out by other politicians. What matters to Ron more than all the honors and ceremonies in the world is all of you, and your commitment to the immortal ideas he has championed all his life.
It’s Ron’s truth-telling and his urge to educate the public that should inspire us as we carry on into the future.
It isn’t a coincidence that governments everywhere want to educate children. Government education, in turn, is supposed to be evidence of the state’s goodness and its concern for our well-being. The real explanation is less flattering. If the government’s propaganda can take root as children grow up, those kids will be no threat to the state apparatus. They’ll fasten the chains to their own ankles.
H.L. Mencken once said that the state doesn’t just want to make you obey. It tries to make you want to obey. And that’s one thing the government schools do very well.
A long-forgotten political thinker, Etienne de la Boetie, wondered why people would ever tolerate an oppressive regime. After all, the people who are governed vastly outnumber the small minority doing the governing. So the people governed could put a stop to it all if only they had the will to do so. And yet they rarely do.
De la Boetie concluded that the only way any regime could survive was if the public consented to it. That consent could range all the way from enthusiastic support to stoic resignation. But if that consent were ever to vanish, a regime’s days would be numbered.
And that’s why education – real education – is such a threat to any regime. If the state loses its grip over your mind, it loses the key to its very survival.
The state is beginning to lose that grip. Traditional media, which have carried water for the government since time began, it seems, are threatened by independent voices on the Internet. I don’t think anyone under 25 even reads a newspaper.
The media and the political class joined forces to try to make sure you never found out about Ron Paul. When that proved impossible, they smeared him, and told you no one could want to go hear Ron when they could hear Tim Pawlenty or Mitt Romney instead.
All this backfired. The more they panicked about Ron, the more drawn to him people were. They wanted to know what it was that the Establishment was so eager to keep them from hearing.
Ours is the most radical challenge to the state ever posed. We aren’t trying to make the state more efficient, or show how it can take in more revenue, or change its pattern of wealth redistribution. We’re not saying that this subsidy is better than that one, or that this kind of tax would make the system run more smoothly than that one. We reject the existing system root and branch.
And we don’t oppose the state’s wars because they’ll be counterproductive or overextend the state’s forces. We oppose them because mass murder based on lies can never be morally acceptable.
So we don’t beg for scraps from the imperial table, and we don’t seek a seat at that table. We want to knock the table over.
We have much work to do. Countless Americans have been persuaded that it’s in their interest to be looted and ordered around by a ruling elite that in fact cares nothing for their welfare and seeks only to increase its power and wealth at their expense.
The most lethal and anti-social institution in history has gotten away with describing itself as the very source of civilization. From the moment they set foot in the government’s schools, Americans learn that the state is there to rescue them from poverty, unsafe medicines, and rainy days, to provide economic stimulus when the economy is poor, and to keep them secure against shadowy figures everywhere. This view is reinforced, in turn, by the broadcast and print media.
If the public has been bamboozled, as Murray Rothbard would say, it is up to us to do the de-bamboozling. We need to tear the benign mask off the state.
That is the task before you, before all of us, here today.
Begin with yourself. Learn everything you can about a free society. Read the greats, like Frederic Bastiat, Ludwig von Mises, and Murray Rothbard. As you delve into the literature of liberty, share what you’re reading and learning. Start a blog. Create a YouTube channel. Organize a reading group. But whatever you do, learn, spread what you’re learning, and never stop.
If it is through propaganda that people thoughtlessly accept the claims of the state, then it is through education that people must be brought to their senses.
With its kept media on the wane, it is going to be more and more difficult for the state to make its claims stick, to persuade people to keep accepting its lies and propaganda.
You’ve heard it said that the pen is mightier than the sword. Think of the sword as the state. Think of the pen as all of you, each in your own way, spreading the ideas of liberty.
Remember that insight of Etienne de la Boetie: all government rests on public consent, and as soon as the public withdraws that consent, any regime is doomed.
This is why they fear Ron, it’s why they fear you, and it’s why, despite the horrors we read about every day, we may dare to look to the future with hope.
This article is based on remarks delivered at the Paul Festival in Tampa, FL, August 25, 2012.
August 27, 2012
This link explains why only the Romney votes were cited.
They were not cited because of a pre-arranged deal between the Romney campaign and the Pauls.
the MONEY QUOTE
Matt Brooks, the director of the Republican Jewish Coalition, said the video tribute was a “small price to pay” for denying Ron Paul a convention speech, and his delegates the opportunity to vote for him — agreements that the Romney campaign apparently extracted in exchange for the tribute.
FROM
http://tinyurl.com/9lsq5ks
@Phantom: You and I tend to agree on most things, and we agree on the stupidity of leaving RP’s name out of the vote and even worse which is ignoring representatives at the state level, that should not be done regardless.
Its interesting because in my experience RP has brought a lot of young people and independents who wouldn’t normally give the Republican Party the time of day, into the party and better understanding of issues and the party itself. This action by Romnney which was really unecessary as RP had pretty much conceded has simply reaffirmed in the minds of those people that the Republican Party is just corrupt same old. Believe it or not some of those people are planning on re-voting for Obama, and they are people I think could have been convinced to consider Romney had Romney done some cursory reachout to RP.
In their opinion Obama and Romney pretty much equal on economics. Romney has done a poor job of explaining how he would do much different to tackle the huge problem these people who voted for Obama actually consider a big problem. Not every Obama voter is a Democrat ( a lot of Independents) and a lot of them also fear big debt but Romney hasn’t been winning much there. However when it comes to social issues these people simply aren’t into banning abortion – though some could have been convinced to limit it up to the point of fetal viability, and in terms of gay marriage simply do not have a problem with it and quite frankly with good reason see the Republican stance on this as heartless and discriminatory. Since Obama and Romney both would support the detainment of citizens by the military, and since it appears Obama just doesn’t have the willpower or ability to implement stupid gun control laws, an argument can be made with some validity that Obama is looking better in terms of personal rights!
Now in terms of RP’s views I simply cannot see how you consider them wingnut.
In terms of economics the president cannot do much but can cut a lot of spending in the departments the feds control. But also and more significantly RP would have been like a cock on a perch in front of the barn door when it came to signing anything on it with spending. He probably would have vetoed everything by Congress until they either made significant cuts or got together to oppose him which would have exposed the Repubs and Demos as simply being cut from the same cloth. I don’t care if he is batshit crazy, if he vetos government spending until we get some real cuts then brilliant.
Opposing spending by veto is what I wanted from a President and is what we need.
In terms of foreign policy I think the current policy is doctrinaire. But go back and read what I wrote in regards to vets up in this page. I think its time we considered what they want. And also a large number of independents do not want wars so really we do need to consider what the people want. I personally fail to see how we have benefited from any of Iraq and Afstan in terms of nation building. Not that I or RP for that matter didn’t think that Osama needed to be crushed, and the Seals have shown us how it can be done. But the way I see it is we spent money helping them kill thousands and cause significant injuries to thousands more Americans and hundreds of Canadians for little benefit in terms of terrorism. In fact really just made it easier for them to kill Americans by putting them in harms way. From experience most of the Middle East is a shithole full of ignorance and blind religion. Changing that will cost trillions and waste lives. Moreover if we left them alone they’d just be busy killing each other really.
At Phantom:
You and I tend to agree on most things, and we agree on the stupidity of leaving RP’s name out of the vote and even worse which is ignoring representatives at the state level, that should not be done regardless.
Its interesting because in my experience RP has brought a lot of young people and independents who wouldn’t normally give the Republican Party the time of day, into the party and better understanding of issues and the party itself. This action by Romnney which was really unecessary as RP had pretty much conceded has simply reaffirmed in the minds of those people that the Republican Party is just corrupt same old. Believe it or not some of those people are planning on re-voting for Obama, and they are people I think could have been convinced to consider Romney had Romney done some cursory reachout to RP.
In their opinion Obama and Romney pretty much equal on economics. Romney has done a poor job of explaining how he would do much different to tackle the huge problem these people who voted for Obama actually consider a big problem. Not every Obama voter is a Democrat ( a lot of Independents) and a lot of them also fear big debt but Romney hasn’t been winning much there. However when it comes to social issues these people simply aren’t into banning abortion – though some could have been convinced to limit it up to the point of fetal viability, and in terms of gay marriage simply do not have a problem with it and quite frankly with good reason see the Republican stance on this as heartless and discriminatory. Since Obama and Romney both would support the detainment of citizens by the military, and since it appears Obama just doesn’t have the willpower or ability to implement stupid gun control laws, an argument can be made with some validity that Obama is looking better in terms of personal rights!
Paul C @ 4:12;
Good read, well done.
I have read RP’s book and agreed wholeheartedly with about 85% of it. His defence of the constitution and views on how to elminate the carpetbaggers out of government is worth the read alone.
RP might not endorse Romney as much as he probably doesn’t think it is his place. If he is not viewed by the GOP as the philosophical bedrock of conservative thought then I have to ask who is?
Obviously, the biggest fear most conservatives should have is that Romney thinks he can change the direction of America without drastic action. Kinder, gentler and plain smarter action is typical liberal BS. When the top financial people in America say that the country has only 2 years before a complete meltdown then serious action is a fore gone conclusion.
I will listen to Romney’s speech at convention and will admit that I do not know his positions as well as I should. As it stands right now I feel that RP has a better grasp on how to fundamently change the political process in America. I have not felt that way since Ronnie.
At Phantom continued
Now in terms of Pauls views I simply cannot see how you consider them wingnut.
In terms of economics the president cannot do much but can cut a lot of spending in the departments the feds control. But also and more significantly RP would have been like a rooster on a perch in front of the barn door when it came to signing anything on it with spending. He probably would have vetoed everything by Congress until they either made significant cuts or got together to oppose him which would have exposed the Repubs and Demos as simply being cut from the same cloth. I don’t care if he is batshit crazy, if he vetos government spending until we get some real cuts then brilliant.
Opposing spending by veto is what I wanted from a President and is what we need.
In terms of foreign policy I think the current policy is doctrinaire. But go back and read what I wrote in regards to vets up in this page. I think its time we considered what they want. And also a large number of independents do not want wars so really we do need to consider what the people want. I personally fail to see how we have benefited from any of Iraq and Afstan in terms of nation building. Not that I or RP for that matter didn’t think that Osama needed to be crushed, and the Seals have shown us how it can be done. But the way I see it is we spent money helping them kill thousands and cause significant injuries to thousands more Americans and hundreds of Canadians for little benefit in terms of terrorism. In fact really just made it easier for them to kill Americans by putting them in harms way. From experience most of the Middle East is a shithole full of ignorance and blind religion. Changing that will cost trillions and waste lives. Moreover if we left them alone they’d just be busy killing each other really.
Matt Brooks, the director of the Republican Jewish Coalition
I don’t trust some GOP flack.
Our very own version of Biden and Obama; someone who talks without thought or facts.
Very very rich coming from ET.
GT, your link doesn’t dispute my position. TPers have FP positions but it isn’t a part of the TP. How the hell is Ron Paul ‘autocratic’?
At Phantom
Sorry for the disjointed posts, iphone. Please make sure you read both thanks.
At Occam
Exactly. Lew nailed it, and it is how a large number of Independent voters think, and that’s how you win… it always amazes me now when you attend a Ron Paul event at a university the mass of young people that actually show up and are moreover are well educated about government waste. And they aren’t showing up to become the next Republican youth leader or get into a intern position somewhere. They’re just showing up because they actually care, which is frigging amazing. If we don’t win the future generation we’re screwed because the public school system is breeding legions of blind socialists.
If anything Ron Paul has done that.
The very same people who saw Sarah Palin as unelectable, think that plasticky as credit card Romney can win only if everybody would follow party line – Germany ’30s style.
Foreign policy hypocrisy of some conservatives otherwise claiming to be fiscally responsible: military actions in far away lands are always justified regardless of the cost.
The republicants just cheated and everyone yawns and say hooray for mitt.
I am so disgusted.
Goodbye USA it was nice knowing you.
Now, has everybody had enough?
Matt Brooks, the director of the Republican Jewish Coalition
I don’t trust some GOP flack.
~LAS
Yet you and several others, Phantom/langmann/FREE, here have zero explanation for the fact that Ron Paul’s votes were not cited other than to simply say the GOP, which Ron Paul is a member of, is stupid.
I say you and the others are stupid and lazy.
Too lazy to look for a real explanation and too stupid to accept the explanation when it is handed straight to you.
Classic failures — New Coke — The Ford Edsel — Sony Betamax — McDonald’s Arch Deluxe — Idea failures — Kellogg’s Cereal Mates — Sony’s Godzilla — Persil Power — Pepsi — Earring Magic Ken — The Hot Wheels computer — Corfam — RJ Reynolds’ smokeless cigarettes — La Femme — Radion — Clairol’s ‘Touch of Yoghurt’ shampoo — Pepsi AM — Maxwell House ready-to-drink coffee — Campbell’s Souper Combo — Thirsty Cat! and Thirsty Dog! — Extension failures — Harley Davidson perfume — Gerber Singles — Crest — Heinz All Natural Cleaning Vinegar — Miller — Virgin Cola — Bic underwear — Xerox Data Systems — Chiquita — Country Time Cider — Capital Radio restaurants — Smith and Wesson mountain bikes — Cosmopolitan yoghurt — Lynx barbershop — Colgate Kitchen Entrees — LifeSavers Soda — Pond’s toothpaste — Frito-Lay Lemonade.
RON PAUL!
No Oz, I just don’t have time for silly comments. If there really was an agreement, it shouldn’t have been even necessary.
Now you have the governor of Maine not showing up and he’s a Romney guy.
Seriously juvenile move by Romney.
Now go back and read my posts and think for a while. In this election, Romney doesn’t need to alienate potential voters, nor does the GOP especially when there is nothing at stake and little to gain.
BTW Oz, calling people stupid doesn’t make you look mature. Its possible to disagree without forming a post full of lame insults.
“No Oz, I just don’t have time for silly comments. If there really was an agreement, it shouldn’t have been even necessary.”
-langmann
What shouldn’t have been necessary? What is “it”?
So you’re still going with the “we agree on the stupidity of leaving RP’s name out of the vote” line.
‘Sheer stupidity’ is your explanation?
That position is silly, which makes the rest of your commentary irrelevent.
Not citing the Paul votes was a calculated move, it was extraordinary, explaining that move as mere “stupidity” doesn’t cut it.
“BTW Oz, calling people stupid doesn’t make you look mature. Its possible to disagree without forming a post full of lame insults.”
~langmann
And calling me silly and the GOP stupid makes you look mature?
Uh huh, sure, pretty lame.
Oh, and you folks are still lazy and stupid.
@ Occam 10:36 am
A long-forgotten political thinker, Etienne de la Boetie, wondered why people would ever tolerate an oppressive regime. After all, the people who are governed vastly outnumber the small minority doing the governing. So the people governed could put a stop to it all if only they had the will to do so. And yet they rarely do.
Josef Stalin explained it in his simple and crude manner:
“Do you know how much our state weighs, with all the factories, machines, the army, with all the armaments and the navy?”
Mironov shrugs his shoulders and, like a schoolboy undergoing an examination, says in an irresolute voice, “Nobody can know that, Yosif Vissarionovich. It is in the realm of astronomical figures.”
“Well, and can one man withstand the pressure of an astronomical weight?”
That’s the key to the Communist way of control. Atomize the people. Let everyone think that he is the only one opposed to the state. That everyone else is an enthusiastic supporter or a grudging follower or a KGB/Securitate/Stasi informer. They cultivate the impression that the odds are so overwhelming that resistance is futile.
Rizwan hits the nail on the head.
The difference between the demon-rats and the GOP is, NOTHING!
Well the show for the proletariat maybe.
Both mitten and the big 0 are NWO plants.
…and I still see a bunch of people ignoring the fact that mega-cheating was done.
LAS, I stand by my comments. You fail to provide evidence or logical analysis for your opinions. Thus, they are constantly: empty.
You stated that IF you are conservative, THEN you are a hypocrite. The two values are necessarily connected. So, heh, if you are a hypocrite then you are a conservative!
And, you consider that the Tea Party existed before it existed. It was called Ron Paul.
And also, LAS considers that for anyone to consider that life begins at conception is ‘absurd’.
Now, LAS, how about providing some validation for your opinions? Just asserting something without evidence or reason is what Obama and Biden do.
“The difference between the demon-rats and the GOP is, NOTHING!”
-FREE
And that’s why the 112th Congress worked so co-operatively with Obama and the Dems./sarc
Why is it, do you suppose, that Ron Paul has been a Republican Congressman lo these many years?
Is it because the Republicans are the same as the Democrats?
Why has the oh-so-principled Dr. Paul not been running as a Libertarian or an Independent?
…and I still see a bunch of people ignoring the fact that mega-cheating was done.
As Rizwan said.
“No Oz, I just don’t have time for silly comments. If there really was an agreement, it shouldn’t have been even necessary.”
-langmann
What shouldn’t have been necessary? What is “it”?
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I just realized the “it” you were writing about was the agreement.
I thought the reason was too obvious to miss which is why I didn’t understand.
The agreement was necessary because of the now legendary disruptive tactics of the P-Holes(many of whom are Democrats), coupled with the fact that Mitt Romney is not a largely popular candidate so that the need for unity, which the link I provided earlier speaks of, necessitated the agreement.
In any event, Ron Paul agreed to the arrangement so your questioning the necessity of it is silly and your point is moot.
Now he and his P-Holes can ride off into the sunset in high dudgeon, proclaiming conspiracies are afoot and the only reason why Dr. Paul isn’t the saviour of the ‘now doomed’ Republic.
It is a mercy that the crazy bugger is retiring, his cult followers can now disperse and shuffle off into oblivion(or the Liberatarian party, but I repeat myself), too bad everyone else is left with the rule changes necessitated by the relentless disruptive extremism of the Ronulans.
Langmann, nice post you made, too bad the iphone cut it up.
At any rate, the foreign policy I am referring to some comments attributed to Ron Paul regarding Israel, and how it needed to be cut loose.
That’s crazy, even if only from a long-term economic and defense view. Israel is the only Western democracy in the Middle East, regardless of what one thinks about the policies of the current government. If nothing else its the only AIR BASE that American aircraft can reliably stage out of in that part of the world. Time may come when America needs an air base down there.
Much of the Libertarian stuff he says I have no quarrel with, being that way myself. But the dismantling of the government bloat has to be done a lot more slowly than I gather Mr. Paul is talking about. It took 70 years to get here, fixing it is a bigger, longer job than just passing a few laws and firing some employees.
For example, welfare reform. Last weekend 19 people got shot in Chicago on Friday night. Can you imaging what would happen in Chicago if the welfare checks stopped coming? Or even got smaller? So the conditions in Chicago have to be altered before you can reduce the welfare bill there. Like maybe send a couple thousand drug dealers/gang bangers to jail first, THEN cut the welfare checks.
That’s all I’m saying. You have to do things slowly, and Ron Paul and his followers don’t seem to me the patient type.
Plus, “Followers”? A guy who has self described “followers”… its like calling themselves “minions” for cr@p sakes. Cultish. Sets my teeth on edge.
As the roll call of states commenced [and continued], several states listed votes for both Romney and Paul. When repeating back the count, those at the podium cited only the Romney votes.
WHY?
This:
Matt Brooks, the director of the Republican Jewish Coalition, said the video tribute was a “small price to pay” for denying Ron Paul a convention speech, and his delegates the opportunity to vote for him — agreements that the Romney campaign apparently extracted in exchange for the tribute.
FROM
http://tinyurl.com/9lsq5ks
The above link explains WHY only the Romney votes were cited.
They was a pre-arranged deal between the Romney campaign and the Pauls.
Those here who explain the GOP RNC as ‘stupid’ or ‘corrupt’ for this behind the scenes deal between the Romney campaign and the Pauls sound just like the Democrats during the W.Bush years and are laying ground for a repeat of the same.
Way to go.
Tonight, at long last, marks the end of Ron Paul, Presidential Candidate. The congressman from Texas will be paid tribute from the main stage of the RNC, with a video introduced by his senator son. Following the video, Rand Paul himself will get a prime-time speech. This is the fruit of the long, obvious, and clever decision by Team Paul to accept that Mitt Romney was the frontrunner to win the GOP nomination, and to carve out some space to his right without lambasting him.
FROM
http://tinyurl.com/cl6ze3f
Read it all, if you care.