The wing-nuts questioned why firearm enthusiasts hated the registry?
Not that the Tories are going to do anything about the warrant-less search and seizure parts of C68. Oh, no. You have no rights when there may be the tinkling of an idea that a firearm may be somehow involved. Even if, you know, one isn’t.
Where are last weeks defenders of warrant requirements now?
I truly hope this ‘free’ and law-abiding citizen sues the pants off of everyone involved. Then I hope that they are left destitute and lose what-ever certifications these social scientists had.
Oh, but it’s alright though, it’s for the children, “Our community would have an expectation if comments are made about a gun in a house, we’d be obligated to investigate that to ensure everything is safe.”
Cause, you know, if you aren’t with them, you’re with the child pornographers, or something like that.
Update: Ezra: h/t Occam
What kind of IDIOTS do they have working in the school system these days? If I was in charge there I’d have just one thing to say to that school principal: “Don’t let the DOOR hit you in the ASS on your way OUT!”
On a brighter note, mention to your kids that you have buried the guns in the garden. After the brown-shirts find out and eventually dig up your garden, it will be time for spring planting.
Old joke I know but these days it has a ring of truth.
> I will now have to tell him about story and ensure he never says anything about this to anyone
This man has committed a very serious offence…failure to register an imaginary gun with the imaginary gun registry…sheesh, I don’t know how you all missed it! /sarc
“What kind of IDIOTS do they have working in the school system these days?”
The same ones they have always had, but now they been empowered by the forces of progressivism, socialism, political correctness, general fagotry and the Gamil Gharbi syndrome.
…and people wonder why someone would say something like “They can license and register my weapon when they pry it from cold dead hands”.
Levant’s commentary on this abomination is now on You tube here:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=y7DGAv4IuSc
Link it and get it out.
“Give me four years to teach the children and the seed I have sown will never be uprooted.”
-Vladimir Lenin
Gimmee my school vouchers now, dammit!!
Justthinkin:”Now excuse me.I gotta go call some Yank friends,and see about getting a Canadian branch of the NRA started up here“.
No need for that. We already have the NFA. Check out their website at nfa.ca for info on the great work they do.
Included in a host of membership benefits are great insurance coverage, excellent sporting/firearms publications, a team of legal experts and firearms proponents/lobbyists to fight on our behalf.
I’d urge every freedom loving citizen (even non-hunters and shooters) to take out a membership and get behind the cause. Looks like the clock is ticking down inexorably towards midnight on our freedoms!
I wonder when it will be legislated that stores like Cabela’s and Wholesale Sports will have a minimum age requirement?
With well over 10 million guns in Canadian homes, can anyone possibly agree with this tyrannical absurdity?
Hey dummy’s, yes you on the left, did you not think at any time that maybe your person, home, and family may be violated by mistake one day as well?
This guy sounds like a poster boy for the left, no guns in the house and “a certified PSW (personal support worker) and a life issues counsellor”. I’ll bet he voted for the Long Gun Registry. Well good on ya, now go out and try to stomp some sense into your fellow Liberal wing nuts.
Let me know when they repeal C-68 and put the Sturm-Abteilung back in the closet…
Cheers
Hans Rupprecht, Commander in Chief
1st Saint Nicolaas Army
Army Group “True North”
OMG I was shooting Monsters on my Playstation.Im gonna lock the door.
Justthinkin >
“I gotta go call some Yank friends,and see about getting a Canadian branch of the NRA started up here.”
http://www.nfa.ca/
Basically he owned an unregistered picture of a gun his daughter drew. Next it will be having seen a picture of a gun. Maybe the principal should be arrested for that! /sarc off
Thanks snagglepuss & knight99 for the info.Now to spend some of my pittance of a paycheck left over after taxes on something worthwhile.
Sorry to say this, but one of these days the cops are going to bite off more than they can chew and it almost happened…
http://www.ctv.ca/CTVNews/TopStories/20110215/jtf-tim-hortons-110215/
GaryinWpg, this CTV article reminds me of an exercise about 1970 where we had to look for escaped prisoners-of-war along Highway 3 and in the adjacent fields near Port Colbourne, Ontario. The looks we got when we walked into a gas station/restaurant along the highway and asked if any peculiar characters had come in were priceless. The attendant nodded toward the washroom. We did the normal take down. The patrons just sat there and gawked. Probably still talking about it.
Knight 99 and others, thanks for nfa information.
I managed to catch Ezra’s rant yesterday and it was classic.
So now as far as the left is concerned if a child draws her daddy smoking, we should send in a SWAT team to raid his house for marijuana.
Oh that’s right, pot is illegal and guns are not.
Well then what if pot was legalized as they want to do so desperately, by their standards we should still send in the SWAT team, arrest and strip search while pointing guns at the homeowner’s heads.
Sort of makes the whole legalization thing redundant doesn’t it?
@ Justthinkin 12:10 PM
also check out this important website:
The Right to Keep and Bear Arms in Canada
http://www.rkba.ca/
@Daniel Ream: “First of all, Dad happens to have a criminal record for violent offenses. So yes, it’s illegal for him to own a gun, and it’s not entirely outrageous for the police to take a report of a known violent ex-con possessing a gun somewhat seriously.”
Daniel, are you telling us that the kindergarten teacher knew that the child’s Dad had a criminal record for violent offenses and that it was illegal for him to own a gun?
And when she went to her superior’s office that the principal was privy to the father’s history? And that’s why they decided this was serious enough to call the police?
So the police receive a call about this incident and immediately check the father’s records and found it urgent enough to arrive at the school with enough back-up to put the fear of the Lord in the kids?
Because the Dad wasn’t there, was he?
Let me put it differently, Daniel. I didn’t attend that school but I did work at a school from 1966 to 2007. The first idiot was the teacher (and I mean IDIOT), the second was the principal. It should have gone NO FURTHER.
Their braincells (everyone in the education field) are permanently damaged by leftist teaching to the point they lack basic COMMON SENSE.
FIRE.THEM.ALL – including the police. Our taxes are being wasted on this kind of garbage.
gellen>
It is a sad day indeed when any of these lunatic moonbat “teachers” have the power to call on police from their classrooms to have you arrested and your basic human and property rights violated on a whim!
No warrant, no probable cause, no justice, only “social justice”.
The police are simply the henchmen and muscle.
Remember these aren’t teachers they are selectively chosen socialist propagandists working within Liberal Progressive indoctrination centers.
How does anyone know if the father was prohibited from owning firearms without access to his sentence in a court case or the results of a subsequent application to own firearms that was turned down. Prohibitions are not universal and usually have a time limit.
When I read this yesterday or the day before on BCF I thought “somewhere in Arizona, Phontom’s head just exploded”. Heh.
This guy should sue. It’s the only thing that might work. I would contribute to his fund; about $2.00, yeah, but I would. Think of the Police, and the school-board and teachers and assorted hangers-on etc., as if they were rats in a nasty lab experiment. Immediate shock negative-reinforcement works wonders.
I’ve never fired live ammunition, but I’m looking into going for a firearm permit now. A disarmed populace is a gelded populace. (BTW I know nothing about this stuff, so any tips from any of you gun-nuts on where to start would be greatly appreciated.)
I just finished watching Brian Dunston on SunNews TV talking to Chris Simms who had just interviewed Jessie Sansone. The teacher, the principal, the police and the social services should be sued for millions for this.
The incident in Waterloo is the result of the world the Liberals and NDP want. This is the kind of crap they used to do in Soviet Russia.
@ Black Mamba:
Check out your local gun club, find some ‘old hands’ and I’m sure they will point you in the right direction and training.
Always keep your safety on, until you really mean to loose a round down range…
Ahh and the term is gun “enthusiasts” not gun NUTS…
The crazy ones are the one’s who are ideologically inspired or off their medications.
Good hunting!
Cheers
Hans Rupprecht, Commander in Chief
1st Saint Nicolaas Army
Army Group “True North”
@Black Mamba
Take Firearms Safety Training(restricted/non-restricted) and apply.
No teacher ever became a teacher because of their brains. Teaching was what you went into because you couldn’t pass any of the other courses at university and the trades meant getting your hands dirty. Unfortunately there are laws on the books compelling those in positions of authority (teachers, pastors etc) to tell social services if there is even a hint of suspicion of parental abuse toward a child.
Black Mamba >
“…any of you gun-nuts on where to start would be greatly appreciated”
As suggested to “lookout’ yesterday, seek out a reputable gun club and hang out for a little. Rent a couple of different guns over time, and get some instruction with them. It’s good to just rent and know what you’re comfortable with beforehand instead of having some salesman tell you what’s best for you.
It never hurts to try out new hobbies; there are lots of women in all kinds of shooting sports these days, my wife drags me to our shooting club on some days. Like other sports you can always try before you buy and invest allot of money.
Black Mamba said: “(BTW I know nothing about this stuff, so any tips from any of you gun-nuts on where to start would be greatly appreciated.)”
1) Make sure the first thing you fire is NOT a 12 gauge shotgun.
2) The end with the hole points -away- from you.
(That would be funnier if I didn’t know a guy who shot himself in the descending abdominal aorta with a .38 revolver. He lived. Nice scar.)
Incidentally, my head exploded in Ontario. I’m home now ~:D
The “Holy War” on civilian firearms ownership became official on January 1st, 2001.
Ever since the police can, and have been conducting raids on citizens often based on rumours or allegations. The consensus media largely ignore these stories.
This is the fourth such incident that have made the news. The last one was a family raided by police after a visiting son was seen attaching a steering wheel lock to his truck parked on the street. Someone called the police and said they thought it looked like a shotgun.
The Harper Conservatives have endorsed this aspect of Canadian Firearms Act, claiming that most gun owners support licensing(simple possession of a firearm being a crime.)
If you don’t like this situation complain to your Member of Parliament, the Prime Minister’s office and your provincial MLA, too.
A government that makes/endorses something being a criminal offence isn’t doing that to encourage the practice but to eliminate it.
Black Mamba #2 >
PS: Like “knacker” said.
Before you can buy, you need to get your PAL (Possession and Acquisition Licence).
**I don’t think you need one to rent and shoot at a range though. Maybe someone else could help with that….
Regardless it takes around 3 months to get your PAL (they claim 45 days but it’s longer).
First you need to take the 1 day Canadian Firearms Safety course for around +/- $80.00 for a standard Long Gun PAL. If you want a handgun licence it’s an additional 1 day course +/- $80.00 for your Restricted Handgun certification. Once you complete a course with a grade 80% or better, you can submit your application with course certification to the Canadian Firearms Program for the background checks (approximately 3 months).
Gun shops and shooting clubs will have lists of approved Firearms instructors in your area to take the courses.
My wife has had a possession only licence since the mid 90’s. Recently she fell in love with a digital camo pink handled pistol in a store display case and just had to have it, but she needed to upgrade to a PAL to have it transferred into her name. She was a nervous wreck taking the Firearms Safety Course assuming she would fail. She was beaming with delight and confidence when she received a 96% on her first course and 98% on her handgun certification. She was able to squeeze in both courses in a single day with a small class.
Ahh and the term is gun “enthusiasts” not gun NUTS…
I know a few gun owners who refer to themselves as ” gun nuts” and simply mean that they are particularly ardent gun enthusiasts.
Once the number of firearms owned climbs north of 6 or so, it seems more likely the owner might refer to him/herself as a ” gun nut ”
Knight99 @ 3:15pm “**I don’t think you need one to rent and shoot at a range though. Maybe someone else could help with that….”
You are right, but you need to be escorted and accompanied by a valid PAL holder.
“Sorry to say this, but one of these days the cops are going to bite off more than they can chew and it almost happened…”
Oh how out culture has changed. We would regularly walk into a coffee shop with pistols on our hips or sub machine guns on our shoulders and no one would even bat an eye at us.
minuteman >
Bingo!
Aside from all the proven crime reduction arguments, property rights, the right to self defence et al, the other big and usually missing argument is the overt attack on our Culture & Heritage.
Some obscure toothless, penis worshiping, cannibal pigmy tribe hiding in the darkest reaches of the jungles of Africa has far more rights to their culture and heritage than we do to the Liberal left
Mr. Sansome signed off on approving the police search of his property retroactively. That signing was done under duress.
A person can’t sign away their Charter Rights under duress. Memorize the Charter, keep a copy on your wall.
It won’t stand up in court.
“Liberty lies in the hearts of men and women, when it dies there, no constitution, no law, no court can save it.” – Judge Learned Hand 1942
I’m thinking I might want to get a gun too. I used to plink at beer cans with my dad and my brothers and it was fun. I’m too squeamish to want to use a gun to kill anything, but I think I would have preferred to use a 22 on a squirrel savaged by my cat, than to smash it in the head with a hammer. (I covered its little eyes with a paper towel first and offered him a cigarette–which he declined.)
I don’t want to hunt. Nor do I want to shoot people or rob liquor stores. I enjoy the skill, the beauty of the instrument, the precision required. I don’t see it as being inferior to any sport that requires such traits. (Golf anyone?)
Perhaps it needs respectable (?) people like me (retired math teacher, Proust-reading widow, lover of felines) to dilute the image of snarling, mad-eyed gun fanatics–Yosemite Sam on speed–that seems to be what idiots like this believe.
rita >
“Perhaps it needs respectable (?) people like me………to dilute the image of snarling, mad-eyed gun fanatics”
Indeed it does.
The thing is rita, all shooting sports, including hunting have mostly respectable people from all walks of life. Like anything else the Liberal MSM does, it spins, censors and shapes perceptions to their Liberal ideologies of public domestication and the need for control on people of free will.
Generally mad eyed, beer guzzling, fanatics don’t participate in sports or recreation. Regardless, how many genuine stories are there of these same Hollywood style hillbillies out there killing and harming helpless people in the woods? None, is the correct answer.
BTW, you truly nailed it for most gun enthusiast – “I enjoy the skill, the beauty of the instrument, the precision required’ – Rita.
Well done.
rita said: “Perhaps it needs respectable (?) people like me (retired math teacher, Proust-reading widow, lover of felines) to dilute the image of snarling, mad-eyed gun fanatics–Yosemite Sam on speed–that seems to be what idiots like this believe.”
Doesn’t work that way Rita. What happens is they just turn you into a mad-eyed gun fiend. They aren’t rational. I’ve been dealing with them since 1990 and I haven’t yet met one that wasn’t full-on freaky delusional. These aren’t sensible people.
I put them two pegs below Muslim terrorists on the a-hole scale, because they aren’t even willing to put their own butts on the line for their insane beliefs. They just lie in wait for the unwary and “call the boss” when they think its safe.
Predatory scum, basically. Next rung up from pedophile. A pox upon them.
You should take up bench-rest shooting. Long range, scopes, bipods, great big guns, -tiny- little groups.
Minuteman said: “Oh how out culture has changed. We would regularly walk into a coffee shop with pistols on our hips or sub machine guns on our shoulders and no one would even bat an eye at us.”
Ha! I remember the first ever Miles for Millions in Hamilton back in the 1970’s, the local Militia regiments turned out their full compliment to do the walk in uniform with rifles. First time I ever saw an FN-C1, thought it was the coolest thing ever. Still do, although now FN shares the “coolest ever” podium with the 1939 Ford COE.
I have odd tastes. 🙂
Yeah Phantom I remember back in the early 70’s walking out of the bar with a slightly intoxicated buddy getting in the passenger side of his unlocked truck and pushing aside a box of ammo for the rifle he had hanging on the rifle rack in the back window of his pickup. We went jack rabbit hunting that night with a 30.08. Mine was 5 for five his was 4 for five. He said the rabbit he missed moved just as he pulled the trigger. I doubt it.
Not that long ago, if the school had called the police about something like this, the dispatcher would have said, “what’s the problem?”
And, if in the unlikely event a street cop attended and took a report, he would have drove over to buddy’s place, knocked on the door, and said, “Hey spud, I got to talk to you.”
“Unfortunately there are laws on the books compelling those in positions of authority (teachers, pastors etc) to tell social services if there is even a hint of suspicion of parental abuse toward a child.”
That picture the child drew showed her dad protecting her from a threat did it not? How does that bring up speculation of abuse??
Rita – shooting IS fun. It’s super fun. That’s what I wish that these people who are afraid of guns would realize. That guns are tools and, used properly, make for a super duper fun experience.
Also, the “gun nut” comment about how many guns some people own: Guns are like shoes or handbags to women. You can wear the same shoes or handbag for all purposes all the time but some shoes or bags are better suited to different events. Example – you can wear running shoes all the time but they aren’t the best choice if you are bogged in the mud or at a high-end fundraiser. Same thing goes for guns. Different ones suit better for different purposes. You can’t just have one gun.
Steve E. “This man has committed a very serious offence…failure to register an imaginary gun with the imaginary gun registry”
So what. In Alberta you can have your vehicle temporarily seized away for being almost drunk. Cops could give a $hit about real crime when the pretend crime iso rewarding.
Snagglepuss
The CSSA actually has pull on the Hill.
The CSSA would be as strong as the NRA if Canadian gunowners adhered to the maxim “We are strong because of 4 million members”.
THEN there’d be a pantload of uh-oh’s when someone tried to mess with a responsible firearms owner.
The KW Record reports that a Ms Alison Scott has told them “we are still investigating this one”
Now, of all the authorities involved in this fiasco, which would you think is least likely to offer an apology and admit it was an error in judgement? i.e. who would Ms Alison Scott most likely work for?
KW police
KW schoolboard
KW Family and Children’s Services
It get’s worse – the local News paper (KW Record) has an opinion piece that attempts to justify this police F-Up. Read and weep at the sheer insanity of this leftard’s reasoning and lack of self respect.
http://www.therecord.com/opinion/columns/article/676704–if-we-err-let-s-err-on-the-side-of-our-kids-safety
D’Amato: If we err, let’s err on the side of our kids’ safety
By Luisa D’Amato
Gun leading to dad’s arrest was a toy A plastic toy gun is to blame for the mayhem that saw a man arrested at his daughter’s school this week.
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It’s easy to be a critic. It’s much harder to be the person under pressure, making the snap decision that later gets picked apart by everyone else. And it’s harder still when that snap decision involves the safety of a child.
So I can’t help but sympathize with the teacher, child welfare workers and police, who caused the arrest of a Kitchener dad this week.
Jessie Sansone went to Forest Hill Public School to pick up his three children and found that police were waiting for him. They arrested him and said he would be charged with possession of a firearm. They handcuffed him, put him in the back of a cruiser and took him to the police station where he was strip-searched. Meanwhile, his wife was told to go to the station and three of their children were taken to Family and Children’s Services to be interviewed.
The detective told Sansone that this had all been set in motion when his four-year-old daughter drew a picture of a man holding a gun. A teacher asked who the man was and the girl replied: “That’s my daddy’s. He uses it to shoot bad guys and monsters.”
By law, teachers are required to alert child welfare authorities if they think a child may be in harm’s way. The local Family and Children’s Services agency decided to involve the police. Sansone gave permission for police to search his home.
In the end, the only weapon that was found was a partly transparent plastic gun, designed to shoot small plastic pellets. Someone had left it at the house. Sansone got an apology from the police and his family was released. No long-term harm done.
Were the police too heavy-handed? Did the authorities overreact? Police did interviews with other children in the school and say they provided astonishingly accurate descriptions of a semi-automatic weapon, a gun that the teacher had been told “was actively floating around the house,” said Waterloo Regional Police Insp. Kevin Thaler.
We also don’t know to what extent Sansone’s criminal record was considered. He was convicted five years ago of assault and attempted burglary, though since then, he’s been clean and is even a motivational speaker now.
Let’s say, for the sake of argument, that the authorities did overreact and that the child’s innocent picture, her fantasy about her dad shooting bad guys, got taken way out of proportion.
Mistakes will happen wherever there are human beings. Is it so bad that when we err, it’s on the side of the safety of kids? I know I’d rather have that than the alternative.
I keep thinking of the mistakes police and child welfare workers have made in the past across Canada. In British Columbia, police didn’t take seriously enough the disappearance of sex trade workers and the clues that kept pointing to Robert Pickton, later discovered to be a mass murderer.
And in Montreal, a young girl named Geeti Shafia kept asking teachers to help her get into foster care because she was afraid of her father. A police detective went to the house, saw that the Shafia girls lived in luxury and had lots of jewelry, and concluded that they must be OK. Six weeks later, Geeti and two of her sisters were dead, drowned by their parents in a hideous “honour killing.”
If only someone had “overreacted” back then, those girls might still be alive.
And that’s why I can live with what happened this week to Jessie Sansone.
Scar
“Prohibitions are not universal and usually have a time limit.”
Actually in practice they are….
A past, elapsed prohibition is grounds (no appeal) for the designated bureaucrat to deny a firearms licence.
In the process of upgrading from a POL to a PAL, my application was stalled for many months, while Mirrimache kept kicking it back to the OPP “firearms officer”.
Then he got a call from an obviously frustrated bureaucrat….why do you keep approving this guy? There is a Restraining Order….
Yeah says the OPP…he is the applicant not the respondent…..then he had to painfully explain the difference to the twit in Mirrimache….
My standard response to “why do you have a Restaining Order against your X…..”
So I don’t get arrested for keeping her outa MY HOUSE, get arrested for being in MY HOUSE….and to avoid getting charged for beating the $hit outa her hand with MY FACE!( caps intended to be shouting)
That and to limit home invasion/robberies to just criminals…not Police. BTW the difference is just the badge….
Ken Kulak wrote- “this CTV article reminds me of an exercise about 1970 where we had to look for escaped prisoners-of-war along Highway 3 and in the adjacent fields near Port Colbourne, Ontario. The looks we got when we walked into a gas station/restaurant along the highway and asked if any peculiar characters had come in were priceless. The attendant nodded toward the washroom. We did the normal take down. The patrons just sat there and gawked. Probably still talking about it.”
You bet we are, since all the German POWs kept in Port Colborne during WW2 (working on the peat farm), were all sent home after the war, we thought searching 26 yrs after an escape was quite late, even for the army.