32 Replies to “The World According To Kate”

  2. Rioting and looting were historically shooting offenses.
    I wonder if Her Majesty would put up with “Occupy Buckingham Palace” for 60 to 90 days while the protestors helped themselves to the Crown jewels.
    Cheers
    Hans-Christian Georg Rupprecht, Commander in Chief
    1st Saint Nicolaas Army
    Army Group “True North”

  4. I believe that’s an American concept. You know, property rights, self-defense, and all that. Doesn’t get much support in socialist circles.

  5. “How about the home owner shoot the arsonists…just a thought.
    Posted by: Tirador”
    That’s a definite no-no in Formerly Great Britain now. And, e.g. Caledonia, Canada isn’t far behind apparently. Remember the Tony Martin Case in Britain? Not very different from the Ontario government’s total failure of duty and moral collapse in Caledonia.
    A quick refresher for those who don’t want to read the whole outrageous story at the hyperlink. Tony Martin was a middle-aged farmer in rural northern England. In 1999, after having been the victim of TEN burglaries by gypsies allowed to illegally camp in the area, with no police response to speak of nor protection offered, he was confronted by two burglars in the middle of the night, each it turned out with very long criminal records. In the dark and the ruckus, he’d gotten his shotgun out and shot at both of them. One died at the scene and the other was hospitalized from his wound.
    Mr. Martin found himself in far greater trouble with the police than the two caught-red-handed burglars. Initially charged with murder, Mr. Martin was ultimately convicted of manslaughter, sentenced to 5 years in prison and spent the maximum of 3 years before parole that a convict with a perfect record may be imprisoned. He wasn’t paroled earlier because the parole officers reported that he refused to express remorse or guilt, insisting he’d done nothing wrong. They also reported that he posed a serious risk to anyone else he might confront burglarizing his own farm!
    Meanwhile, the surviving burglar, with a very lengthy list of priors, had spent a year less in prison than his victim! He was actually paroled a year earlier.
    It gets even better. With thousands of pounds of taxpayer funds, the burglar then hired a “human rights” lawyer to sue Mr. Martin. That case only fell apart when later the burglar was caught at the wheel of a car he’d just stolen. The Crown then was forced into a corner and had to revoke the criminal’s parole and send him back to prison.
    Mr. Martin continues living on his ancestral family farm and is active in politics. He’s now a member of UKIP and is a very popular speaker at political meetings, talking about the sad state of Britain and the need for top-to-bottom reform.
    So, if you ever find yourself living in Britain, [or in Canada, remember Caledonia. What do we suppose would have happened if some suffering, threatened Caledonia resident had shot to death one of those Indian terrorists.] don’t even think about violent self-defense. The police are not on the side of the law-abiding decent citizen. Let the swines take what they want, call the useless cops when they leave and then submit a claim to your insurance company. Beats going to prison for years for exerting your God-given rights of self-defense! God-given but State-cancelled!
    Or as Mark Steyn put it, “In Britain, they police everything except crime.”

  6. I thought the root cause was not allowing shop owners to defend their properties with deadly force.
    Of the high caliber kind.

  8. In the Rodney King riots, the Korean shopowners who defended their lives and property with guns, were strangely left alone. By the FERAL gangs of welfare bums and hoodlums. I guess a pair of sneakers wasn’t worth a bullet in the head. Every person in Canada has the Right to self defense, according to the SCOC in a 2004 ruling. Of course the msm never widely reported on that fact.

  9. Here is the SCOC ruling on self defense, which in this case was done with an illegal concealed weapon. The accused was aquitted on all counts by the SCOC. R. v. Kerr
    Jason Richard Kerr Appellant
    v.
    Her Majesty The Queen Respondent
    Indexed as: R. v. Kerr
    Neutral citation: 2004 SCC 44.
    File No.: 29714.
    2004: January 16; 2004: June 23.

  10. I agree that the absence of a mortal threat spurred rioters on to even worse acts.
    I also agree with the sentiment expressed by readers thus far: the fundamental problem in Britain is not that the police refuse to defend property and life with deadly force, but that the state has made it illegal for law-abiding citizens to do so when life and limb are threatened by yobs.
    THAT is the root cause.
    The British are in a much worse state than Canadians on self-defense, and we all in turn are in much worse state than our American neighbours with that glorious 2nd amendment and castle doctrine.

  11. This is a variation on the prisoner’s lament– the food is bad and there is not enough of it.

  12. @RFB
    you do realize that the case in question was an inmate in a maximum security penitentiary carrying a homemade knife and that it pretty much tied the hands of officers working there who have to watch for weapons every second of every shift and now the courts have told them that the inmates have the right to carry them ?
    liebrals should be banned from ever serving in any judiciary capacity whatsoever since they’ve proven that they have no concept of reality and render decisions that fly in the face of common sense.

  13. Signs of the apocalypse:

    “Authorities” hold an enquiry, after the fact, to discuss whether lethal force may be used to protect the lives and property of citizens.

    What’s that saying? “Dear Luftwaffe, please come back. You missed a spot.”

  14. I just watched the movie “Harry Brown” in which Michael Caine plays a British ex marine living in a council estate in his senior years. He is pushed to his limit by the murder of his best friend by the local gang members. It was released in 2009. There is rioting on the estate and the police are absolutely useless. Only Harry Brown, ex marine/pensioner is able to take out 10 drug dealers/murderers with only the female detective suspecting him of it. Very good story and very prescient of this past summer’s riots!

  15. It is sad that lessons learned long ago, through painful experience, have to be relearned over and over again, because of these silly feel-good social workers we have for politicians. “Why do we have to shoot looters and arsonists in riots? Can’t we engage them in dialogue and allow them a venue to vent their anger? It’s only property after all, and we wouldn’t want to harm anyone just to protect property.”
    Well, that property damage adds up, and eventually if you let them run rampant long enough, someone gets killed.

  16. As Ann Coulter points out in her book “Demonic”, all that rioting on campuses in the late 60’s pretty much stopped after the shooting in May 1970 at Kent State…
    just sayin…

  17. Met a new immigrant to Canada from the UK the other day. I said to her, I have noticed a lot more immigrants from the UK in the last few years (in the Fraser Valley), why is that? She said to me you’ll be seeing a lot more in the coming years, we’re not racist, but the immigrant problem there is out of control. She said there were too many problems with immigrants not merging with the Brits, the island is too small. They had to leave, they couldn’t take it anymore. Those recent viral videos of Brits taking on immigrants on the subway, etc. are an indication of what’s really going on over there every day.
    Of course we already knew that, didn’t we? and BTW, she said she absolutely loves it here and would never move back.

  18. I’m of the opinion that,(and specifically refering to the Vancouver summer riot)is that the cops get on the bullhorn and state that people have 30 minutes to disperse…looters,arsonists and masked individuals will be considered first priority for deadly force at the conclusion of this warning
    …then move in the rooftop snipers.
    Better throw defecators in their as well!

  19. Bemused up the thread. It is obvious from your comments that you did not read the ruling. The SCOC in the majority affirmed the Magna Carta is the law in Canada and in fact referrenced it in their ruling. They stated that every citizen in Canada had the right to self defense with cause and with a concealed weapon if necessary. The fact it happened in a prison did not change their ruling. It did not complicate the rights of prison guards to search for weapons. They merely extended the right to self defense which all Canadians already possess in the criminal and common law to inmates whose lives are threatened.

  21. a little ot
    i was laughed at & critized on ctv.ca comments for my comment that this Occupy will be on the backs of the taxpayer’s for cleanup when all said & done.
    Today on Sun TV a reporter has stated that the Occupy Calgary Cost is tabbed So Far at $1 Million.
    The solution would have been to Kick Them Out as soon as they planted their first tent. And get their mailing address & sue for Damages.

  23. …The fact it happened in a prison did not change their ruling….
    it’s not that it didn’t, it’s that it bloody well SHOULD have…try it yourself and see if you get acquitted when you’re charged for having an ‘offensive weapon’ in your possession…like a set of nail clippers…
    there was no granting of powers of self defence to a homeowner against unwanted intrusion…and there won’t be…
    The argument at your trial will be “you weren’t in jail therefore you had no cause to continually fear for your life and no reason to have a weapon of any kind close to hand…including a kitchen knife in your own kitchen” whereupon you’ll be found guilty of being armed in your own home and severely punished…
    and don’t forget to close your curtains before cleaning your hunting rifle or you’ll be paid a visit by a SWAT team if anyone sees it…they don’t need warrants and you will be legally judged as guilty until proven innocent thanks to crouton and the moonbats.

  24. @RFB…
    “They stated that every citizen in Canada had the right to self defense with cause and with a concealed weapon if necessary.”
    try walking around with a weapon in your pocket..or even an unconcealed one and see how far you get claiming your ‘right to self defence’ means you get to continually arm yourself in case you have to…I’d really, really like it to be so, but it isn’t…only for criminals who now have to be written up with the much lesser charge of ‘possessing contraband’ for having a shank instead of possessing a weapon…and usually aren’t charged for it at all since the charge gets thrown out anyway, thanks to the SCOC ruling.
    Quite frankly, I’m surprised the inmate isn’t given the weapon back, since he’s allowed to have it, and if he demanded it back he’d likely get it.

  25. I have a self proclaimed right to protect my family, property, and myself with whatever force force I see fit. End of story. When all is said and done I will explain my actions to a jury of 12 not carried by 6 of my friends. The laws won’t protect me I will assume the responsibility.

  26. @Bemused, I am not advocating for or against anyones decision to defend themselves. I am merely stating that the SCOC did in fact rule that every citizen has the right to self defense with cause even with an illegal concealed weapon. They anchored their decision in the Magna Carta common law in their ruling and the Criminal code. So flail away…..

  27. Actually the SCOC ruling must be unconstitutional…because years back Allan Runt ruled definitively that there was no right to self defence…no shuree…
    So there…….

  28. I recall one story where a a thug tried to rob a guy while he was fueling up his car. He simply doused the robber with gasoline. End of robbery attempt.
    I’d have run after the guy, throwing lit matches.

  29. Just to clarify, Her Majesty’s Inspectorate of Constabulary suggested that live ammunition could be used on “arsonists attacking commercial properties with links to people’s homes,” not on looters.

  30. “For someone without educational qualifications, crime can be a logical career choice.”
    I find that line offensive snobbery.
    And it can be just as logical a career choice for an educated person. Michael Milken and John Corzine are two educated criminals,who stole more than all the rioters in the world combined.
    Only petty crime is the realm of the uneducated, real crime is that of the educated classes. It’s more a matter of character and upbringing.
    The most honest people I ever known were dirt poor,but knew the difference between right and wrong, a “line” that has been blurred the last forty years in all our institutions.

  31. Try looting Buckingham palace and see what happens.
    The fact is there are also no black staff/ servants either (at least visible to the public above basement level).
    Lots of guns and no multicultural issues for some, but quite the opposite for the rest of the little people, funny that.

  32. If a guy is setting fire to a building, that’s attempted murder. Somebody is -likely- to be in there and die in the fire. Everybody knows that.
    For there to even be a question raised about the shooting of arsonists in a riot indicates attempted murder is ok with the authorities, other things are more important.
    Just so you Brits know where your lives lie on the importance spectrum of your government. You might want to fix that.

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