36 Replies to “A Giant Fan Poll”

  4. “This is an ideal opportunity for this school, because it has an environmental club, to really get an appreciation for renewal energy and what’s involved,” he said. “Ultimately, we’d like all our students to be environmentally literate, to be aware of renewable energy opportunities and some of them hopefully will go into a related career.”
    Maybe it would be better for the school’s small special interest group to work casino’s and bingo’s to raise the money like other clubs?

  5. Gang Green’s strategy is to get them while they’re young.
    Interviewer on QR77 this morning asked about cost – question was evaded with no challenge.

  7. I agree with Kate, however, OPM looks like the preferred financial stash.
    From Johnson Controls Inc (suppliers of said turbine)
    “Structuring the
    Deal: Funding
    Options and
    Financial Incentives
    for On-site
    Renewable Energy
    Projects”
    […]
    Summary
    Organizations seeking to finance renewable energy
    initiatives can select a funding approach that best fits their
    needs:
    • Performance contracting permits organizations
    to use costs savings from energy efficiency
    improvements to fund renewable energy facilities
    • Third-party ownership offers organizations an
    alternative funding mechanism that limits their
    overall risk.
    A variety of tax credits, rebates and other incentives
    are available from governments at all levels – as well as
    utilities – to help offset the costs of installing renewable
    energy facilities.
    In addition, organizations may be able to sell
    renewable energy, energy efficiency and emissions
    reductions credits generated by renewable energy
    facilities to help recoup installation costs and create
    long-term sources of revenue.
    Organizations seeking to accelerate their pursuit of
    sustainability through installation of on-site renewable
    energy facilities need not be discouraged by financial
    concerns. By working with experienced experts such
    as Johnson Controls, organizations can find the right
    financing package to ensure the overall success of their
    renewable energy projects.

    In short,,everybody else’s money but theirs.
    http://docs.google.com/viewer?a=v&q=cache:u9D6wQM6ii8J:www.johnsoncontrols.com/publish/etc/medialib/jci/be/white_papers.Par.56422.File.dat/FundingRenewablesWhitepaper_P-5309.pdf+cost+of+Johnson+Controls+Inc+wind+turbine&hl=en&gl=ca&pid=bl&srcid=ADGEEShnziSn222m4BorANeur_RZy6JyUNihBNtMsDywGtWPOt98UPW8WeSkzxFn4mXpqEm1yidSBf2CozGC3c4SZCyAm0OEA8Xe3i6L4KA7JgWGjfZWqInzhxPaalKtwmc2ioFbXCyo&sig=AHIEtbR0MpO5H6Km6hdmxXbnxc2L6q6Ojw

  9. Knacker at 12:06 PM: “This is an ideal opportunity for this school, because it has an environmental club, to really get an appreciation for renewal energy and what’s involved,” he said. “Ultimately, we’d like all our students to be environmentally literate, to be aware of renewable energy opportunities and some of them hopefully will go into a related career.”
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    Well that’s good. You can’t fool the kids. They’ll soon understand it’s a farce, when their little toes and fingers are so frozen they can’t do their school work.

  10. “This is an ideal opportunity for this school, because it has an environmental club, to really get an appreciation for renewal energy and what’s involved,”
    If this expensive Environmental Club project goes ahead they’ll learn first hand that a lot of dead birds are involved but they’ll never learn that wind turbines aren’t cost effective.
    (even if the club raises the money themselves which they should have to do inside the community only, to prove that the community is onside with the project)

  12. I voted in favour. What better way for the students to learn about the abysmal performance record of wind turbines than to have one in their own schoolyard?
    The only caveat is that there must be a digital display in the front hall of the school, updating the following parameters:
    1. current kW output, expressed both as an absolute, and as a percentage of nameplate rating.
    2. running total of kWhr produced, likewise expressed.
    3. running total of taxpayer subsidy dollars spent on the power produced.
    4. current number of years to “pay for itself”, if it had to compete with the wholesale cost of power at the gate of the Sheerness coal plant.
    “Payout” based on subsidized feed-in rates is economically meaningless, as it based upon rent-seeking, not actual cost vs performance. There’s no question that clever businesses can make money on a rent-seeking model, but there’s no wealth actually produced, and no social good is accomplished.

  13. Since when did public schools become venture socialists. The idea that they want to showcase wind power tells me they aren’t teaching basic skills to reasonably evaluate energy issues but instead, spoon-feeding green narratives.
    If they could be trusted to carry through, Kate’s idea makes sense, especially if they followed up with accounting discipline of why and how the teachers lost their shirts. Unfortunately that resembles education too much to be part of the public education system.
    Would it be too much to ask if they instead took their students to Glenmore, Bearspaw, Ghost, Seebe, or Barrier (reservoirs) and asked an operator or engineer how their costs per KWH compare to wind. IOW, is three cents less than fourteen? That would be mostly for the benefit of the teachers.

  15. Calgary has changed since I grew up there.
    I used to drive the school bus for CWS and I remember taking the kids out to Seebe to do a tour at the dam.
    What the hell has happened to my home town?

  17. I’m all for it if they take the money out of teachers’ salaries.

    Actually, it could all be funded if you took it out of the $200,000 a year each retired teacher is getting right now.

  20. Yeah, hopefully some of the kids WILL see how the current iteration of the Green fad CAN make some of them stinkin’ rich.
    All they need to do is prepare to leave their consciences at the door when they get to work each day, since what they’re producing is so damnably unnecessary and is only there to salve the consciences of suckers who have no clue at all about the workings of “the environment” they’re supposedly so concerned about.

  22. On the other hand, it may be useful for the kids to see how many birds get blended by this monstrosity.

  23. cant wait for the kids to have to pick up the daily debris of the bird blender. to bad they wont be able to put the carcasses into the green recycle container.
    now in calgary we have a black container for trash , a blue one for recycle and a green on for composting .
    what we need is a purple one for tossing politicians.

  24. Actually, it seems to be a wonderful learning tool.
    The students can start a spread sheet showing the cost/benefit ratios.
    Update the figures every month with power production, maintenance, subsidies, feed-in? figures etc.
    Talk about a learning experience.
    They can also keep track of the expected date when the windmill will be payed off, and the profits start rolling in.
    A real-life school project.
    I say go for it.

  25. A boon for the science department–think of all the birds they will have available to dissect.

  26. A boon for the science department–think of all the birds they will have available to dissect.

  27. Let them put it up. When it starts chopping up Bats and Bald Eagles and making some kids puke from the rhythms generated, it will indeed be a lesson to the retards.

  28. u.k.(us) at 4:59 PM, high school only lasts 3 years, the turbine is expected to break even in 20 years.
    It isn’t even useful as a learning tool because the children of these children will be in high school by the time the turbine is projected to break even, if it ever does.

  29. Oz @6:12
    That’s precisely why it’s a useful learning tool. When the kids crunch the numbers, and realize that payout is still impossibly far away, the brighter among them at least, will be saying, “jeez, we could have put our money into Teck Resources (coal), and been thousands of dollars ahead right now.”

  30. Oz @6:12
    My plan was to follow the performance of the windmill, with each incoming class continuing to monitor and analyse its return on investment.
    I.E. give the students a real world education.
    (and maybe get some real data about windmills released in the process).

  31. You can be sure that if the thing gets built there will be no proper record keeping and performance analysis.
    That would require actual work … and the greeniots already know that facts will make them look bad.
    This is a given assumption and the primary reason they never try to pitch their plans based on any kinds of facts.
    Free power is the same as unicorns … hope-n-change … social justice. All things that are easy to get ignorant people to cheer for … and impossible to deliver because they do not exist.

  33. Let the environmental club buy a 30 watt solar panel to play with. Either that or it will be hard to say ‘no’ to the automotive shop when they ask for funding for a top fuel dragster…You know, to present an ideal opportunity for the students to be mechanically literate and some of them hopefully will go into a related career.

  34. Sure they should go ahead with this project and then use the lectricity to run a lectric school bus and they can sell the rest for a tidy profit.
    /sarc
    After all, the city runs the LRT system with wind power.
    Ride The Wind

  35. Yeah I agree, build the damn thing BUT:
    The only caveat is that there must be a digital display in the front hall of the school, updating the following parameters:……
    Bring it on ..in Calgarys front yard. Right on baby!!

  36. Forget the catastrophic failure option, that could be years away. How often will freezing slush turn into ice on the blades, and how far will the bird-blenders throw the ice? When someone dies because of this stupidity (either from direct impact from thrown ice, or a car crash when a windshield gets smashed while driving), who does their family press the murder or wrongful death charges against? I would compare it to knowingly driving a cement truck with no brakes.

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