…a typical Friday at a middle school in the largest city in Canada. I forget which brand of tampon used to advertise itself with the pitch “Now with new [whatever] you can go horse-riding, water-ski-ing, ballet dancing, whatever you want to do”, but perhaps they can just add the tag: “But not participate in Friday prayers at an Ontario public school.”
h/t BL
I am an atheist and there is no doubt that there is a serious problem with islamism in this world.
School should have nothing, absolutely nothing to do with religion. School shouldn’t accomodate religion. Religion is the opposite of science and truth.
Religion is backwardness. All religion! I am very proud that Quebec kicked catholicism out of mainstream culture.
Muslim should do the same with Islam.
This has gravitas, Heather Mallick has jumped in, she sounds like a conservative.
I was going to make the above a “featured comment”, but that would be cruel.
Oh Turd-oh . . . see what you have done.
Where are the angry Feminists? Can you imagine the screaming horde of angry women signs in hand, megaphones poised, legs not shaved and armpits roughly braided if some weirdo Christian minister kept a calendar of young women’s menstrual cycles and treated his congregants differently because of it.
The entire Social Justice industry, the ohhh soooo Progressives who laud themselves with so much praise are dropping this ball with their outstanding silence.
CBC would be apoplectic, the rabble at Rabble would be Mach 1 before the cleared the tower and Libby Davies would be totally out of scope.
When this story first came out I was certain there must be some crucial part missing from the reports – something that would make it make sense. But, no, it really is the most moronic situation ever devised by our best and brightest in the education industry. In what other areas of Canadian life would women tolerate other women or girls being treated this way? The entire TDSB needs to be fired and replaced.
I am a libertarian but unlike most I would like to see a burka ban. There is no way these girls are given the opportunity to make a choice not to wear oppressive clothing and face coverings. They are taught right from the beginning to submit to being 2nd and 3rd class citizens. Any signs of nonconformity results in the risk of becoming a victim of violence. This is not free choice, it is forced choice.
(test)
Progressives are not progressive, they are anti-conservatives. They don’t care how they achieve their goal. The end justifies the means.
Touche’ Fred…
Unclean, unclean, leprosy, I’m not half the man I used to be…where oh where is Ms Mallick’s screed on the virtues of multiculturalism.
PRAY tell, muslim gals are at the back of the bus because Rosa Parks was liberated.
Now that all religions are subject to the ‘equality’ provision in the Charter we can look forward to Christian prayer services in public schools toute suite, reversing the Trudeaupian society.
And now for our next lesson in TOWERING HYPOCRISY some faiths are more equal than others.
As Steyn has suggested demographics has a way of kicking you into the ‘unclean valley’, so bend over and take your medicine.
Societies that don’t replenish themselves, simply get replaced.
The ‘feminazis’ won the abort yourselves to oblivion battle only to lose the war. Good luck and much success…
Cheers
Hans Rupprecht, C in C
1st St. Nicolaas Army
Army Group “True North”
Quebecois NDP keep to your convictions and make sure you don’t go to any of those hospitals those backwards people set up. Tommy Douglas has to go under the bus too, after all he was a Minister (Baptist) as is Bill Blaikie (United Church).
Paging Davenport…
YEAH, Marvellous Mark!
Cross post by me from Reader Tips today:
There are three good letters in the National Post today about the lunacy of allowing Muslim prayers in a Toronto public school during school hours. Ghettoizing and giving special entitlements to Muslims, separating the girls, and singling out those who are menstruating is quite unacceptable—not to mention “dhimmying” the rest of us. These really important aspects of this grave problem were all addressed.
However, I’m disappointed that two other, important issues have largely been overlooked, especially the lack of mentioning—even on Sun TV—the contrast to how Christianity, the basis of our moral code and, in fact, of our education systems, themselves (and many other societal goods), has been treated versus Islam.
While the public systems turned rabidly secular and “threw the [Christian] blaggards out”, with gusto, they’re now making nice with a religion that’s backward and violent. If the idiots who run education think Christianity’s bad—usually out of sheer ignorance and misplaced malice—wait until they see the end result of letting Islam “in from the cold”. One letter writer uses that tired—and, frankly, altogether annoying—“equivalency” argument: “Will our politically correct educators and politicians learn nothing from the European experience with Islam and other religions?”
WHAT OTHER RELIGIONS? It’s Islam that’s the bully and it’s Christianity, the adherents of which built the free West, that’s been and is being bullied, slandered and libelled. That’s a nasty cancer at the heart of the secularized West—and look where that’s taking us. I’d like to see someone in the media principled enough to tackle this “dirty little secret”.
The other, overlooked issue is the utter waste of the rest of the school’s time while the Muslim students are at prayer. Everyone will just mark time and teachers will be paid their considerable salaries to NOT do their jobs. I wonder what Chris Spence, the Director of the TDSB, thinks of that. I think it’s despicable.
If the TDSB is allowed to continue with this dangerous and discriminatory idiocy—in direct contravention of its clearly stated “Equity [sic] Policy”, it’s another giant step toward our own dhimmitude. Are Canadians stupid and disengaged enough to let this happen? I’m afraid my answer would be yes. Kyrie eleison.
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Re the above comment by the NDP dhimmi: “Religion is the opposite of science and truth.
“Religion is backwardness. All religion!”
What utter nonsense, written by an idiot who has not a clue what s/he is talking about. E.g., That her/his freedom to say ridiculous, subversive things—damnable LIES—and not be arrested is one of the great goods bequeathed to the Anglosphere by Christianity, via Magna Carta. As Penny used to say, is NDP dhimmi “a young person, perchance”? But, whether it’s ignorance, stupidity, or both (my guess), the opinions of this person are complete hogwash.
(Knowing a thing or two this automaton doesn’t, I’d be embarrassed to publicly spout such drivel. Isn’t there something of voyeurism in watching such an arrogant simpleton make a fool of her/himself? If only that person had a clue, it might be worth pointing this out.)
You can hear Tasha Kheiriddin discussing the situation here.
Largest Mosque in North America presently under construction in Texas, oops sorry, Toronto.
http://ismailimail.wordpress.com/category/institutions-of-ismaili-imamat/trust-for-culture/aga-khan-museum-toronto/
It’s the old analogy of putting a frog in hot water — it jumps out; put the frog in cold water and raise the temperature — poached frog.
Or as stated by a colleague — the difference between immigrants and invaders.
It’s well past time to end the “family reunification” back door to the immigration system and well past time to lay down the law with respect to certain fundamental Canadian cultural standards the violation of which simply will not be tolerated.
I’m sure it’s worse than we currently know. I’ll just bet there are all kinds of accommodations extended to the ROP that are refused to all others, and not just in schools.
Heres’ a small sampling of news links on the story originally reported by blogger BlazingCatFur about Muslim prayer services being conducted in the cafeteria of Valley Park Middle School in Toronto during school hours.
http://www.torontosun.com/2011/07/04/hindus-protest-muslim-prayers-at-public-school
http://www.torontosun.com/2011/07/04/religion-doesnt-belong-in-public-schools
http://www.torontosun.com/2011/07/04/school-guidelines-okay-weekly-prayers-muslim-leader
http://www.theglobeandmail.com/news/national/toronto/hindu-group-criticizes-toronto-schools-muslim-prayer-sessions/article2086662/
http://www.torontosun.com/2011/07/05/muslim-group-wants-prayer-in-public-school-stopped
http://www.theglobeandmail.com/news/national/toronto/tdsb-defends-hosting-muslim-prayer-sessions/article2087817/
http://www.torontosun.com/2011/07/05/prayers-at-schools-worked
http://fullcomment.nationalpost.com/2011/07/06/kelly-mcparland-the-rights-war-is-killing-canadian-common-sense/
http://www.torontosun.com/2011/07/06/york-schools-accommodate-religious-services
http://life.nationalpost.com/2011/07/06/qa-canadian-civil-liberties-associations-cara-zwibel-on-religion-in-schools/
http://www.mrctv.org/audio/lowell-green-july-6-2011-islam-public-schools
http://www.theglobeandmail.com/news/opinions/opinion/its-muslim-kids-not-parents-who-are-embracing-a-politicized-islam/article2087476/
http://www.theglobeandmail.com/news/national/toronto/ontario-tories-on-muslim-prayer-in-schools-its-not-for-politicians-to-decide/article2088911/
http://life.nationalpost.com/2011/07/05/muslim-prayers-during-class-time-draws-fire-at-toronto-school/
http://www.sunnewsnetwork.ca/video/search/all/muslim-prayers-in-schools/1041305170001
http://www.torontosun.com/2011/07/07/public-school-prayer-sessions-criticized
http://www.lfpress.com/news/canada/2011/07/07/18390246.html
http://www.torontosun.com/2011/07/08/charter-trumps-education-act-over-prayers
http://www.theglobeandmail.com/news/national/toronto/school-prayer-debate-creates-unlikely-allies/article2092121/
http://www.theglobeandmail.com/news/national/toronto/interest-groups-criticize-toronto-school-board-decision-on-islamic-prayers/article2089829/
http://fullcomment.nationalpost.com/2011/07/11/chris-selleys-full-pundit-a-public-school-is-not-a-mosque/
http://www.theglobeandmail.com/news/opinions/editorials/public-schools-cannot-be-places-of-prayer/article2091850/
http://www.thestar.com/opinion/editorialopinion/article/1022295–mallick-time-for-someone-to-speak-up-for-shy-young-girls
http://fullcomment.nationalpost.com/2011/07/11/tasha-kheiriddin-religion-has-no-place-in-public-school-and-neither-does-sexism/
http://www.lfpress.com/comment/editorial/2011/07/07/18387211.html
http://life.nationalpost.com/2011/07/11/muslim-prayer-in-school-exposes-flaws-of-religious-accomodation/#more-37326
http://www.nationalpost.com/news/Unreasonable+accommodation/5086554/story.html
http://vimeo.com/26093173
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=FQb7nqBJHME
http://www.steynonline.com/content/view/4259/28/
http://www.nationalpost.com/todays-paper/Valley+Park+children+pray/5092920/story.html
http://www.parentcentral.ca/parent/education/article/1022385–board-runs-afoul-of-education-act-with-prayer-services
http://www.thestar.com/article/1023979–mallick-some-toronto-schoolgirls-are-always-second-rate
http://www.thestar.com/opinion/editorialopinion/article/1023918–secular-extremists-ignore-tradition-of-diversity
http://www.mrctv.org/video/103564
And here is the $64.00 question? Are Ontario politicians really dumb enough to think that the issue of Muslims groups holding prayer services in publicly funded schools is going to go away before the provincial election in October?
Will the Minister of Education, the Hon. Leona Dombrowsky, demand that all boards of education within the province submit a full and complete list disclosing any and all religious programs and/or religious activities of any nature currently being undertaken or having been undertaken within the last three school years or planned to be undertaken within the next school year at all public elementary and public secondary schools throughout Ontario?
Joining my voice to ask why the Toronto District School Board is in the business of advertising the periods of 11-year-old children.
Easy answer. Stop funding the school. No teachers, no custodial staff. Then sell the building. Those who would not or could not participate will be bussed to a nearby school without such activities. The cost of that would be more than covered by the staff reductions and building equity.
We can talk further about this, while we dance around the fires of hell!
The irony is the useless idiots didn’t bother to research the topic, most Muslim nations don’t teach religion in their schools that’s exclusive to madrassas. The Political Islamists are using the truely stupid and ignorant left to advance their cause without firing a single shot at this nation. I’m appalled at how fast the school board threw females to the Wahhabist’s religious freaks as chum.
Richfisher,the Ismailis are NOT the guys in charge of the Mosqueteria!
Ismailis area tiny sect of Islam, about 6 million world wide,and are generally not viewed favourably by the other sects,too modern, not radical enough,practically infidels.I’ll be surprised if the site of the Ismaili museum isn’t sabotaged by some of the other sects.
Ismailis don’t do suicide bombings either.
Know your enemy,and it isn’t the Ismailis.
http://www.theismaili.org/
Am I the only person that think men need protection from menstruating women/wives/daughters?
Am I the only person that sees value in the Saudi law against women drivers?
haha
Seriously though, I’ve no qualms with a church or mosque assigning seating and dictating who can participate. If these women comply with the PMS calendar, then so be it.
What I do object to, is the hypocrisy of catering to one religion and obstructing others. All of that said, I’d like to see more religion education in the public schools, as I’m MUCH more wary about the Secular influence and propaganda being served in public schools. IMO Seculars are just another religion that should be catered to proportionately to the demographics of individual school regions.
I’m agnostic BTW, and I wouldn’t trust a fascist Atheist(see the capital ‘A’) as far as I can throw their condescending a$$.
Sadly Toronto isn’t the only Ontario area where school boards are allowing this stuff,Ottawa also has several PUBLIC schools doing the same.
McGuinty’s Ontario has a lot of problems, this could be the most insidious of all.
Where are the Slut Walkers? Why are they not protesting?
Liz ten have been documented, what they refer to as Islamic Prayer rooms are actually Islamic religious services not prayers because an Imam is at those ten locations.
Quebec NDP, ok, stop while you’re ahead. Just do it. Your scrawls embarrass everyone.
Quebec NDP, the reason why your province is a f—ing swill pit is because you got rid of the Church that helped maintain the Quebecois culture. Do you think Muslims like your pork-eating, maple syrup distilling ways?
It goes without saying that TDSB has an enormous double standard and that moral/physical cowardice is quite evident.
I’d like to gear Bill Shatner do a “beat” reading of OKs posts. 🙂
Osumashi – “Do you think Muslims like your pork-eating, maple syrup distilling ways?”
Well clearly “ok” doesn’t (new, it’s called “naproxen”. Ask your doctor. Also maybe for Valium.)
Valium is used only if you drink alchol and eat pork
It is not use and not work for Muslim
Please recommanded different drugs with ‘WHITE’ color made by Muslim ingredients
Heroin?
new needs a lot stronger stuff than just naproxin.
WOW
Exactly syncrodox!
What bothered me besides the obvious kowtowing to the barbarians when I first read about this nonsense,was that no one mentioned that maybe,just maybe,someone should have suggested that the prayers be held AFTER school hours,preferably somewhere else.
School hours are classroom time,not religion time.
“Now with new [whatever] you can go horse-riding, water-ski-ing, ballet dancing, whatever you want to do”,
[whatever],Currently posting as ok and so,once was new or food media. I doubt that ballet dancing would have ever been an option with new [whatever].
God is everywhere even in school
do you suggest to pray in street
what the shame to pray god
who hate to pray god
what bother to pray god
who can damage to pray god
who lost cost or lost if prgay god
in school
you can hear music and
have DANCE club in school
then we can ask
go dance in dance club and bar
not in school?
ONLY god bring fear in heart of nonbeliever
peopel who are not believe god
hate anybody to pray god anywhere
and any fund to let encourage
when you bleive god and pray for it
it prevent you to do wrong doing too
And to Heather Malik and her lefty ilk: we told you so!
I never dance in my life not even in my brother wedding among girls that some Muslim do
I think dance made people look stupid
and only may done private not in public
or in any public school
sorry this is Muslim opinion too
can you handle Muslim
I think Muslim can not handle NonMuslim nonsense argue about
wher Muslim pray or where NOT pray
because this is not
YOUR business to interfer to this matter
I leave dancing to Nonmuslim girls
what is point of dancing
you like to exercise has so many way to do exercise and be fit body
and I do not beleive dance is art too
is new phenomance made by UK village
it is better stop
School dancing please
mulsim are not intersted to
allow their daughter dance with men who are not thier relative for fun
surprise!!!
again god ban it for Muslim too
and Mark Styen theory of girls which are dirty and not clean
“I’d like to gear Bill Shatner do a “beat” reading of OKs posts. :)”
I nominate THIS for comment of the year!
(why do I do it – not to p*ss off Kate, I swear, deity forbid) – new, we don’t want any religion in public schools. It upsets people. Religion = private, school = public. No Catholic in school, no Jewish in school, no Hindu in school, no Muslim in school, no Baptist in school, just Maths, Science and Harold Bloom in school.
Conservatives don’t want Lesbian sex education in public school either. Complain at Globe and Mail!
Ah, well. Under every misoginist prayer mat there’s a silver lining.
Given the proclivity Ontario residents have for strong, sustained, vigorous protest on matters of unfairness such as this, I’m sure we’ll have Christmas concerts back in our public schools by Hallowe’en…
Speak for yourself Mamba(with respect).
I see great value in learning about Christianity and it’s history, as it’s ours also. IMO it’s a shame that the most read book in history isn’t taught at our schools. How many kids are raised by Atheists have naught a clue about common references in life. For example, my 11yr old asked yesterday “what’s a Judas” when she heard the lyric in a song. Do you get my point?
How many fewer lib-tards would we have if kids were exposed to books like the Koran? Perhaps we’d have a lot less Taliban Jacks running around. Who knows?
The separation of church and state is to protect the church from the state(if I understand things correctly), not the other way around. This phrase has been usurped by the Secular commies, and is the main ammo in the fight against Christianity in the western world. Do you disagree with this? The state has absolutely nothing to fear from the church as it’s nothing but a group of people with shared values.JMO
What say you?
Okay
NO!
“Learning about” doesn’t equal (can’t do the “not equal” sign like the cool computer nerds) “practicing”, i.e. “worshipping”. I agree with what you say except that there is no sanity anymore, the third column lefties will never stop. “Understanding our civilization is impossible without understanding Christianity” we’ll say. “RACISTS!!!!” They’ll say. After all, who’s to say ok/new isn’t as perceptive as Harold Bloom? We seriously tell them to eff off or we’re doomed. Ahmo go have a non-halal merlot, naproxen and heroin cocktail – helps dull the pain.
Fifth column. Third Man. Kosher Valium’s what I need for the clear thinking.
Finally:
Let’s pray together
to the same GOD
God like it in any language
as long as message be the same
Can share value togehter?
relgion courses teach to how to be good in all religion
I agree this can be conflict and conflict of interest
but sooner or later
Muslim children are not like to go in same school nonMuslim are attending because value of moral are not teach
physic and science and math
do not teach you how to be good person in public
we need better courses to gain this too!
God is not only in Sunday as pop ordered
or in Friday pray for Muslim
or in Saturday for Jewish
but also
God is for pray for him anywhere every day
There is simple resolution for it.
Learning Arabic as good in school as elective courses
as good as learn spanish or french and etc…
islam beleive Moses and Jesus and the same god
pray to god by Muslim can used by nonMuslim too
or at least hear it or allow it bring same help to respect god order too if you are god believer
I had freind who plan to invite us for dinner
I said if we have halal chicken we both can eat that
but if you use nonhalal chicken it consume by one group ONLY
think about
pray god is not bad and teach to be good person in school is not bad things too
Let’s pray togetehr to same god
in Muslim way
this is exercise by bent your back
this is pray god too
like two in one shampoo
and it is permitable
again
God do not hurt or bit you
Let’s pray together and share the same value
if you are god beleiver
There are now 14 schools in Ontario that are mosques. That picture on Mark’s site shows the setup of the mosque in the school, the segregation of the girls with the menstruating girls at the back of the cafeteria not allowed to participate at all.
http://www.steynonline.com/content/view/4259/28/
John Oakley’s interview with Kommissar Hall and Raheel Raza where Ms. Raza states this is Wahabbi Islam being taught at the school (that shouldn’t be a problem, should it) show what an absolute dolt Hall is. That truly would be a hell having to listen to her plodding, monotone voice all day.
OK, I tried helping.
Signaller, I’d pay good money to see that.
Black Mamba, would that work?
I don’t think Halloween or Christmas would be allowed back into schools because they are “not diverse”.
Osumashi – yes. Yes it would.
Some kind of “new” mumbo jumbo?
Steyn has some seer like insights.
This of course has nothing to do with anything but Islamist supremism. Give into them here , it will be every school in Canada soon that will be made into a mosque. Tthey will be crying to make us all part of thier Satanic cult.
The feminists of course are quiet, & will stay that way till a sword meets their necks.
Its one thing to bully well meaning men, another animal to stand up to real tyrants. As ive said for years, there is a quiet war against Women going on in the WEst, while those Lasies who spew equality all the time have missed the real threat.
Abortion will be the cause of death on Canadas tombstone.
The lack of any complaint by those who worship this practice as a holy rite of Women, as fembots continue to fight the wrong enemmy.
JMO
Okay, you would probably be happier living Saudi Arabia. Your religion treats women like dogs – there is NO place for it in Canada.
This whole story is disgusting. I remember back to the outcry of reading the Lords Prayer in school – now THIS crap is accepted in this country???
Paging Libby Davies…