The Toronto District School Board says it is meeting its obligation to accommodate students’ religious beliefs by allowing an imam to lead students in prayer on school property.
The board came under fire this week when a Hindu group that regularly criticizes Islam raised objections to Friday Muslim prayer sessions, which have been held inside a cafeteria at Valley Park Middle School in Flemingdon Park for about three years.
h/t rita
The use of any school facility has many associated costs
Name one that would occur here. Give it your best shot.
couchpotato never answered my question about the lords prayer………..
When the answer isnt politically correct you just ignore it?
libertarian – sheesh. Are you being intentionally ‘thick’?
So, now you are saying that the use of a ‘hall’ or space only costs money IF there is a ‘transfer of money’? Don’t be ridiculous. The cafeteria COSTS the taxpayer money! That’s the transfer of money: from the taxpayer’s wallet to the government to the school!!!
Bet you can’t figure that out. The school building required MONEY to build it. And money to maintain it. Do you know what maintenance costs are? Hmmm?
These include repairs and maintenance for ‘wear and tear’. That’s usually figured in the annual budget as a particular percentage. If the cafeteria is only used at lunch time, then, the wear and tear costs are calculated for this ratio. If it’s used at other times, this increases the costs, for the wear and tear (redoing floors, redoing walls, replacing bulbs etc) takes place over a shorter period of time.
And, the existence of the room also has costs: heating costs, hydro etc.
It’s astonishing that you aren’t aware of such things.
And don’t start with the ‘islamophobia’ tactic. That’s juvenile. Stick to the issues.
lookout – really excellent comments. Just great. You’ve said it all.
amos – how about some reality? The public school does not provide a private room where Jewish boys (and only boys) can go and study the Torah; it does not provide a room for daily mass for Catholics. Do you seriously consider that other religions only celebrate and learn their ways..once a week or month or year?
Why should the public provide a room, free of charge, for a religious group? Or indeed, for any private group? Please tell us why.
And the point is NOT that this group is Islamic; the point is the insistence by this group that they be given a free room in the secular school, paid by the taxpayer, for their private use.
Try thinking once in a while.
Just another in a congo line of Islamist Trojan horses. These are not immigrants but Colinists.
How much more proof do we need. Its not like they hide the fact they want Canada to be an Islamic Nation.
lookout,
Canada has no official religion, so we don’t really need to accommodate any religions. But we do. All religions get special privileges. Prime examples are that Easter and Christmas are federal holidays. How would Christians feel if they were forced to go to work/school on those days? Personally, I wouldn’t be against completely removing all religious accommodation in Canada (including Muslim prayer in this school, Easter/Christmas holidays, etc). As it stands though, we either need to accommodate everyone.
What makes us better than so many other countries in the world is our (supposed) openness to all cultures/religions of the world. This whole thing is just shameful bias against one religion from another.
ET,
The difference is that Catholics aren’t required to do daily mass on a weekday. They are allowed, but not required. Jewish children can study their Torah at any time of the day. Muslims are required to pray at particular times of each day.
Again, I wouldn’t be against removing all religious accommodation from Canada, but as it stands we need to accommodate all.
amos – again, you don’t get it.
What does ‘being open to all cultures/religions of the world’ mean, in actual operational practice? THINK.
Does it mean that we acknowledge that all peoples have the right to practice their (legitimate) religion – on their own time, and at their own cost? That is, if the parent of X-religion wants their child educated in that religion, then, they develop a privately funded centre – for religious services and a private school for education.
It does NOT mean that the secular school, the taxpayers, must provide a building/room rent free: and kindly THINK about the costs of such a provision…
No, it is not true that ‘all religions get special privileges’. Why should they? And, you are ignoring something very important and vital: history.
Historically, this nation was founded by judeo-christian ideology. That’s the reason for the national holidays of Easter, Christmas…but not for the many more and equally national holidays of July 1 and May 24th; or the various other days ….August civic holiday, February civic holiday in some provinces; the Jean-Baptiste holiday in Quebec; Labour Day, Thanksgiving Day, Remembrance Day..
That is, these holidays are not necessarily religious but are part of our historical tradition. Got that, Amos? History matters.
And no, we don’t ‘need’ to accomodate everyone. The accomodation is PRIVATE. That is, you can celebrate your religion PRIVATELY. Even if you are a member of a satanist group, or the Raelians who believe that life was founded by UFO aliens..
The focus is PRIVATE. That means that the taxpayer pays NOTHING towards the promotion or maintenance of these ideologies; you can believe what you want; you pay for it.
THINK.
The answer is very simple. Show all Muslims the door.
Must be a Human Rights violation here somewhere . . . they hate religion.
Oh wait a minute . . . the HRC’s only hate Christians & Jews
Easter and Christmas are both celebrated in other countries (like the US for example). This is because they are global, Christian holidays. July 1st and August Civic Day and whatever else are only celebrated in Canada (aside from, of course, New Years which is for all countries following the same calendar). That is the difference. Easter and Christmas are only historically significant to Christians.
I’ve followed the story in other articles. I think Kelly McParland gets it wrong. http://fullcomment.nationalpost.com/2011/07/06/kelly-mcparland-the-rights-war-is-killing-canadian-common-sense/ I’m not sure what he’s gunning for here. A job at the CBC?
Something that emerged, perhaps in the comments or in other articles, is that the girls get to sit at the back. Schools should not support segregation of the sexes in ways that diminish one compared with the other.
The reasons for permitting this seem weak. The kids would go to a nearby mosque and then bunk off the rest of the afternoon. So rather than dealing with the issue as a discipline problem, they came up with this accommodation idea. I wonder who came up with the idea first–the principal or the leaders of the mosque? Actually, if I know kids, I suspect they were bunking off from going to the mosque at all and taking Friday afternoon off. Now with the mosque coming to them, they are a captive audience.
Interestingly, the Muslim Canadian Congress is opposed to this accommodation: “The reality of that is that the school board is being politically correct and naive,” said Salma Siddiqui, the group’s senior vice-president, told the Globe on Wednesday. “Honestly it does not work in the long run. How are they going to accommodate other religious minorities?” http://www.theglobeandmail.com/news/national/toronto/toronto-district-school-board-defends-hosting-muslim-prayer-sessions/article2087817/
I haven’t verified this but one comment mentioned that the mosque in question was prepared to host prayer sessions at 3:15 (after class). So, what is the point of creating this accommodation issue? I think that’s where the crux of the matter lies. It’s not that the kids can’t get to pray. It’s not that no other options are available. But it makes a dandy excuse to invade the school. Yes there are separate schools in some provinces for Catholic students. There are private schools catering to various interest groups. In public schools, where you are no longer permitted to recite the Lord’s Prayer and where every holiday affiliated with Christian belief such as Christmas and Easter is being re-named and stripped of any religious or cultural significance, it seems wrong to invite other religious practices and beliefs under the banner of human rights and accommodation.
Amos no they are not they are actually signifigant to athiest’s/pagans!! as well
And as far as teaching christian prayer or studies in a public school hall i am all for it but i am not for muslims as this is a secular/christian country founded with by those groups of people , just like afganistan or pakistan or what ever fesering sh!t hole country were founded by muslims in those countries do you see christians using the schools(if they have any) for prayer time no becasue they are ususally on fire, getting beheaded , raped, beaten , or forced into conversion. if it is a christian woman in those countries she may have acid thrown in her face , have her nose cut off , or be forced into sex slavery by the barbarac throwback neandratholic donkey rapist’s .
So to any and all of you in here i make no appologies for giving christans or secular people special privialages over other religions period in this country .
If you don’t like it to bad so sad leave here go move to syria . They love you over there trust me athiest’s and homosexuals are a real hit over there .
Davenport and libertarians are smarter you don’t care becasue none of this affect’s you , you have no kids and you hate yourself and your country andi would be willing to bet you have never set foot on the ground of a third world country you bunch of spoiled little children .
Libertarians are dumber you really give true libertarians a very bad name because even most libertarians beleive in some sorto f boarder language and culture that they themselves identify with but you my not so smart kafir don’t care you don’t care now you never have cared and you never will care about this country it’s founding root’s or it’s future your the worst kind of candian all youl ive for is to take a big stinky sh!t on the canadian or american flag’s youl ike that your proud of that and you think it is o.k. and not only do you think it is o.k. you encourage it you like it your as sharp as a ball when it comes to culture or country . You are worse than the anti west muslims that live here becasue at least we can identify them you until you open your fat mouth no one would really know how much you hate this country , or the 33,999,999 million people who live here ,
You should be ashamed of yourself and i think you should hand over your passport (but you probly are to parinoid to have one) and pack up your sh/t and leave get out of north america go livei n the pashtun district of afganistan or live in a boarder town of say syria you piece of human garbage everytime you come on here all you do is spout your brainless heartless un patriotic selfish ignorant arrogant crap and while i agree that you should be able to say what ever it is you want to say do be shocked when someone like me speaks therem ind as well .
Fu@k you very much
amos – what’s your point about the Canadian holidays? YOU were the one who brought up the holidays, implying that the only ones celebrated here were Christian. I pointed out that the majority of holidays were secular.
And, we are talking about Canada, OK? You were saying that ‘we have to be accomodating’…yet, I’ve pointed out that such accomodation is private. Not public. We do not have to FUND the various buildings where various religions hold their ceremonies.
Our schools do not serve as centres for mass, or Friday night Jewish prayers…or Raelian gatherings…nor should they function as prayer halls for Muslims. They are secular. The taxpayer does not fund religious sites. Get it?
Thanks Paul, your words mirror my thoughts.
I think we should focus our anger where it belongs, with the Ontario Human Right’s Commission they are the ones using the full power of the state to force secular schools into Madrassa and if you check out the headline at the Sun new it appears Jews and Muslims are accomadated where as all other faiths are excluded from free prayer space. If you aren’t a Jew or a Muslim Organization you have to pay for the use of said space and get permits. Face it the OHRC is the bad guy here, they persecute Catholic magazines and Priest but give the Rabbis and Imams free reign in our schools. Take your anger out on the stasi.
More class warfare being arbitrarily enforced by bureaucrats. When are politicians going to wake up and start firing the public servants enforcing their personal political/ideological agendas in the workplace?
It has nothing to do with “religious rights” for Muslims. It is designed to create class conflict over entitlements between religious groups and demean the rights of religious people on both sides of the debate.
Wake up Muslims! Don’t you realize that the TDSB presumably supporting you are the same people demanding enforced homosexist sex education for your children? Wake up!
Amos, read what I wrote in my long post, especially what I said about ignorant, anti-Christian bigotry. Your idiocy isn’t worth a response. (And, if you really mean what you say, I suggest that you volunteer to give up all weekends and Christian holidays in order to work.)
Libertarian person, the main issue here, which you ignore, is the fact that a public school, paid for by the taxpayer for the purpose of EDUCATING ALL students—and not for the purpose of religious indoctrination of any kind—is being used FOR THE PURPOSE OF RELIGIOUS INDOCTRINATION AT PUBLIC EXPENSE. ’Got that?
At your request, I’ll give ONE associated cost of the use of a school facility—and then a few more, for your education (the “few more” first): it only took me a small number of seconds.
Taxpayer costs for a large, public school cafeteria, that might otherwise not be in use, to be used by one, repressive, religious group:
1) Extra caretaking: the number of caretakers has been drastically reduced in most boards. Rearranging furniture and putting up/taking down segregation curtains takes “manpower”. This will mean that caretakers’ taxpayer paid time will be spent on tasks not related to the public education of the students in the school. Who will do the work they’re not able to do because they’re busy in the cafeteria fulfilling sharia law requirements? Will more caretakers need to be hired? (And, if the principal orders them to do this “extra”, Muslim work in school hours, there could be a costly labour or human rights dispute.)
2) If teachers are required to associate themselves in any way with this fiasco, there will be added labour, human rights disputes. Not to mention the fact that—see my long post above—teachers WILL BE PAID MEGA BUCKS TO NOT DO THEIR JOBS, in order to provide “place holder” time for non-Muslim students, who will be expected to simply mark time until the Muslim students return.
Now, here’s the really easy ONE you requested:
3) Whenever a school space is unoccupied, teachers turn out the lights. With 300 students in the room, more lights will be used than with no or few students in the room. (You might have figured that one out for yourself.)
A class motto of mine: “Smarten Up!” You might consider it.
(ET, I appreciate your comments.)
“Prime examples are that Easter and Christmas are federal holidays.”
Is Easter even a holiday? And Christmas is a holiday because the Victorians decided to take a relatively minor Christian festival and turn it into a big secular midwinter bash. I maintain that Christmas is essentially secular. Anyway it’s part of our heritage and Islam ain’t.
No religion in public schools. If you immigrate here and your kids can’t make classes because of your crazy prayer schedule then you need to put them into a Muslim school and/or seriously reconsider you living arrangements.
ET,
To clarify: my point is that we celebrate Christian holy days, but none from other religions. A stat holiday dedicated to a religion is hugely expensive to the country. Of course the majority of our holidays are non-religious, I didn’t mean to imply otherwise.
It also means that Christians are guaranteed that holy day off to practice their religion, which is not a benefit that any other relgions in Canada get.
As far as schools not serving as centres for other religious practices: it’s my understanding that it is mandatory for devout Muslims to do this prayer at a specific time on Friday. None of your examples require gathering at specific times during school hours. Preventing these children from doing the prayer at school forces them to choose between their education and their religion which should not be allowed to happen.
Also, to follow on lookout’s point, the public schools don’t teach Christianity over the Christian holidays. They don’t operate as ad hoc Churches. I would personally be very cool with the odd nativity scene or carol or something, but clearly we can’t have that level of sensible accomodation because the Muslims will always take advantage. So be it then.
(p.s. public schools are evil, most teachers are mentally deficient communsts, most administrators are much worse, we no longer have a common cultue, the pupils never learn anything anyway, middle-school and high-school really screw them up, and if you possibly can you should homeschool your kids, send them to a good private school or mave to a compound somewhere, because the whole system is messed up beyond repair.)
As amos insists that we must ‘accomodate’ all, how about accomodating the Raelians? It’s a self-defined religion; it considers that humans are the descendants of aliens.
Gosh – they have four special days in the year.
The dates are the August 6, which marks the anniversary of the atomic bombing of Hiroshima in 1945. December 13, marking the day that Raël in 1973 says he had his first personal encounter with one of the extraterrestrial Elohim (aliens). October 7 in which the Elohim, Raël says, took him up in a spacecraft in 1975 and the following day had meals with Jesus, Buddha, and other past religious figures and the first Sunday in April, which Raëlians believe is the date when dark-skinned extraterrestrials created Adam and Eve.”
As lookout says – our taxpayer funded schools have no business getting involved with any religious organization. And allowing one of their rooms to be used as a religious room – is outside of their mandate.
If a parent wants such religious instruction, send the child to a religious school or arrange for outside instruction…and that includes ensuring that your young son, who is not interested in attending ‘Friday prayers’ at the local mosque..actually goes. It’s not up to the school to ensure that he attends such sessions!
Amos – and the summer hoidays are there so kids can help their parents out in the fields. No. We have a very long established schedule of holidays for school. They may have religious roots but they have no religious purpose. Nobody needs a minute off school to “celebrate Christmas” anyway, ask any Christian; nobody needs to leave school a minute early for Christmas dinner. The holidays, which are for everyone, just worked out that way because we are a traditionally Chistian culture.
Muslim families who can’t accomodate need to stop telling us to accomodate.
lookout:
I’d be fine with Christmas/Easter being shifted to any random day as a separate stat holiday. I don’t think any of us want less holiday times. I know that Sundays were originally days off for Christians to go to church, which is just another example of how Canada’s system is already designed to accommodate Christianity. Again, I’d be happy with any two consecutive days off. The 40-hour work week was a victory won by the labour movement, not religion.
Black Mamba:
Good Friday is a federal holiday. Easter Monday is a holiday for federal workers and some others. Some treat it as a holiday and some don’t.
Once again a separate and unique set of rules for the ever pushing supremacist colonizers.
On top of that, Islamic prayers include reciting the Fatihah, the first surah of the Qur’an which involves cursing Christians and Jews.
If true, the underhanded placement of Halal meats in school cafeterias is disgusting and an outright betrayal of all non-Muslims rights. Beyond the brutal, sadistic torture of the animals, their god is invoked to bless the meat by the butcher.
For a look at the way Muslims slaughter animals in Indonesia and other parts of the world:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?feature=player_embedded&v=6Snpdp2Nmqs
But be warned, it’s not a pleasant sight.
ET:
I really don’t want to get into a religious debate, but as far as I see it Raelianism is no different from Christianity or any other religion.
Again, I really think that we should remove all religious accommodations from the country. Otherwise we’re picking and choosing what we allow and it’s impossible to be consistent.
“Good Friday is a federal holiday. Easter Monday is a holiday for federal workers and some others.”
And what Chistian worship does that enable? Are any Christians required to attend Church all day on Good Friday? (That is rhetorical.) These holidays have Christian origins, the way Christmas itself has an ultimate origin in pre-Christian mid-winter festivals; they have no Christian purpose.
no, amos, the Christmas and Easter holidays are not ‘celebrations of religious holy days’; they are general holidays based on OUR HISTORY as a culture founded by judeo-christians. Got that? It’s our history that is determining which days are ‘holidays’. Do you deny our history?
You’ll note that in other nations, their HISTORY determines their holidays – such as in France (July 15 etc)..In Saudi Arabia, the work week is saturday through Thurs. aft. Their weekend is Friday and Saturday. Should we switch?
Do you think that, as immigrants from other countries come here, we should ADD their culturally developed holidays here as well. Should we add all the holidays from France? From India? From Pakistan? Why?
Fine – if it’s mandatory for ‘devout’ (remember that word) Muslims to have this prayer at a certain time, then, do as the school originally did…With a letter from the parent, allow the student to leave the school to go to the mosque 15 minutes away at that time!
But these, ahh…’devout’ students didn’t go! They took the release..and dashed off to the local mall! So, rather than having volunteer parents ensure that all such released students walk over to the mosque…which would have been a rational and fair solution, instead, they insisted that the school function as the mosque!
No. That is not the function of a school or the taxpayer dollar.
Black Mamba:
You’re wrong about that. Good Friday is the most important holy day to devout Christians (or so I’m told by my practicing Christian friends) and they spend much of the day holding services or praying.
I am agnostic, but I will assert that it is not a religious requirement. We have many Christians on this blog and I think they’ll beck me up.
You’re a libertarian and a radical secularist, fine. But this is not a State enablment of a specific religion, it is an enforcement of a schedule of holidays which have been worked out over generations, derived from our inherited culture (which is dying, but that’s something else). As I mentioned, the summer holidays exist as far as I understand because farm kids needed time off to help out in the fields. This is no longer generally an issue, but we hold to the tradition nonetheless.
It’s simple.
Just as an aside, from Robert Spencer’s The Truth About Muhammad:
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In the seventh heaven, Muhammad meets Abraham, has further visions, and receives the command that the Muslims pray fifty times daily.
When Muhammad started on his journey back, he passed by Moses, who asked him, “What have you been ordered to do?” Muhammad replied, “I have been ordered to offer fifty prayers a day.”
Moses offered him some advice: “Your followers cannot bear fifty prayers a day, and by Allah, I have tested people before you, and I have tried my level best with Bani Israel (in vain). Go back to your Lord and ask for reduction to lessen your followers’ burden.”
So Muhammad returned to Allah and got the number of daily prayers reduced to forty, but Moses still thought that was too many.
The Prophet of Islam kept going between Allah and Moses until the number of daily prayers for the Muslims was only five.
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There you have it. Muhammad: an idiot who couldn’t work out for himself how many times to pray. But he sho’ did like them 6 year olds!
ET:
Again, the difference is that Easter/Good Friday and Christmas were created because of Christian history which isn’t specific to our country. We shouldn’t add holidays from other countries, but we should add them from other religions if we’re going to have Christian days as federal holidays.
I’d be fine with switching to a Friday/Saturday weekend, it really does not make a difference at all to me. Hell, switch it to Monday/Tuesday for all I care. Actually, if we switched to Friday/Saturday it would solve this issue because Muslims would have the day off to pray. I’m sure Christians wouldn’t mind sitting in a classroom during their usual Sunday morning church, right?
A poster here writes, “Raelianism is no different from Christianity”. Really?
Re the fruits of Christianity, over millennia, I wrote, “How about Magna Carta, rule of law, Parliamentary government, the American Declaration of Independence, our universities and universal education systems, hospitals, orphanages, the greatest visual and musical art ever created, incredible architecture, and the huge amount of care of all kinds that Christianity provides to this day, directly—through the churches—and indirectly—via the myriad institutions founded by the church? Not to mention the Second Great Commandment: ‘Love thy neighbour as thyself’, which undergirds all the other structures.
“Islam: there is no second commandment . . . It’s tribal, and revenge is a huge part of it. The Judeo-Christian dispensation is: ‘Vengeance is mine,’ says the Lord. And Christians are to love and pray for their enemies.”
So “Raelianism [what IS that?] is no different from Christianity”. And, presumably, neither is Islam. Really?
With asinine public boards like the TDSB, there will be more brain dead, self-referential, ignorant idiots churned out, who aren’t remotely aware of how stupid they are.
Kyrie eleison.
Adler read this bit on air today, written by Natasha Fatah. I’m sure a couple here will pass this off as nonsense though.
http://m.theglobeandmail.com/news/opinions/opinion/its-muslim-kids-not-parents-who-are-embracing-a-politicized-islam/article2087476/?service=mobile
I’m sure they wouldn’t care Amos. Masses/services aren’t only held on Sundays. They’re not forced to attend only on that day either.
“I really don’t want to get into a religious debate, but as far as I see it Raelianism is no different from Christianity or any other religion.”
I really wouldn’t want to get in a religious debate either if I couldn’t see any difference between a Raelian, a muslim, a Christian or a Jew’s religion.
So everybody has to be a secular terrorist embracing marxist like poor ol Amos.
I’ll bet Amos teaches history in the TDSB.
richfisher:
I’m not sure if you’re serious or not, but I hardly see how I’m a “terrorist embracing marxist” for encouraging equal treatment for all religions…
Kaga:
You may be right that Sunday was arbitrarily chosen as a prayer day for Christians, I’m not sure actually. I am sure that Good Friday is very important for them.
I’m going to leave it at that because I don’t think there’s much left to be said on the topic that won’t be a reiteration of what’s already been said.
Amos, no one is asking the Muslims to hide or refrain from their faith. They are just being asked to pray somewhere else (as every other person must).
The accommodation speaks to a bigger reality of appeasement. One vocal special-interest group gets what they want or else.
Why the double standard?
And why a religion that has done very little to develop the country or the world?
Like others I find Amos’s claims concerning Islam over the top. For years I lived and taught in a country that was mainly Muslim, and all my students, lycée level, were Muslim. The school hours ran full days Monday through Friday with classes on Saturday until noon. Not a single one of my students, nor their parents, asked that they be given special prayer time during school hours. Students attended even during Ramadan while they were observing the required fasting from sun-up till sun-down. Claiming the need for special treatment in a public school system in Canada is unacceptable. By the way there seems to be evidence that the same school only serves halal meat even though not all students are Muslim.
Like others I find Amos’s claims concerning Islam over the top. For years I lived and taught in a country that was mainly Muslim, and all my students, lycée level, were Muslim. The school hours ran full days Monday through Friday with classes on Saturday until noon. Not a single one of my students, nor their parents, asked that they be given special prayer time during school hours. Students attended even during Ramadan while they were observing the required fasting from sun-up till sun-down. Claiming the need for special treatment in a public school system in Canada is unacceptable. By the way there seems to be evidence that the same school only serves halal meat even though not all students are Muslim.
Islamophobia: the fear of offending muslims because they are prone to violence.
To begin with, the TDSB locked out the Gideons who have been handing out Bibles in Canadian schools for eons and each student had the option of taking a Bible or not, so clearly davenport and ilk are wrong.
This is not about reasonable accommodation, it’s about money. The TDSB only receives money for each student enrolled in it’s public schools. The real truth is the TDSB simply does not want to lose the money they get from these students to a madrassa (private muslim school). The TDSB doesn’t care that menstruating girls are not allowed to attend this makeshift mosque, nor are the boys allowed to worship with the girls apparently because their shapely figures are too distracting for the boys. How they are able to see a females figure in their Burka tents is beyond me. This is a Middle School, the imam considers 12 year old girls a sexual threat?
Turning the cafeteria into a Mosque when it has been made abundantly clear that these Muslim students can pray at a later time.
The TDSB is prostituting itself for money.
Okay, the cafeteria cost money to build. So what? It’s not getting any cheaper by not being used. Schools get used for lots of EC stuff like fairs and the like. This is mucho outrage over very little.
ET and lookout, Black Mamba well said. Paul in Calgary, exactly.
WW IV has come to our shores. Most of us ignored the trial balloon when McGuinty was about to give the Muslims sharia law.
libertariansaresmarter – What’s really going on here: the Muslim population at this school and others like it is 80%; halal meals are said to be served to all students making this school essentially a tax payer sponsored madrassa complete with an imam. I bet the next stage of this collaborated plan was to demand prayer 5 times a day given which is one of the most important Islamic requirements for worshipers.
The TDSB does not want to lose the money they get for each of these students from taxpayers to private muslim schools(madrassa)and the muslims do not want to have to fork out the money for private madrassa’s for their children so they connived together and came up with this plan. The TDSB is prostituting themselves to muslims for taxpayer money. It is what it is.
Monthly Jihad Report
June, 2011
Jihad Attacks:
184
Countries:
18
Religions:
5
Dead Bodies:
930
Critically Injured:
1527
Just wondering now that the parents have got the boys and girls separated in their school mosque how long will it be before they want them separated in the classroom? Its a simple request the TDSB should have no problem accommodating. Of course those girls having their sinful period must stay out in the hall. Maybe we should have the girls just stay home, its better that way.
“This is mucho outrage over very little.”
No way, I cannot believe someone would make such a comment. Wake up folks.
I had a Muslim student simply refuse to write a final exam at the designated time because it got in the way of his praying. True story.
We are well and truly finished in Canada if there are Canadians who think this is much ado about nothing.
What’s really going on here: the Muslim population at this school and others like it is 80%; halal meals are said to be served to all students making this school essentially a tax payer sponsored madrassa complete with an imam.
You’d like that. It would make real your and Kulak’s fantasy of WWIV. Thankfully most people will not indulge your fantasies. (Pst Halal meat is the same as other meat just slaughtered differently).
(Pst Halal meat is the same as other meat just slaughtered differently).
If it’s the same as any other meat then why won’t this group eat any other meat?
The animals are slaughtered in an inhumane manner to make the meat halal-throats slit and animals left to bleed out – same as the method used to sacrifice human infidels to honor the prophet-funny that. This throat slitting fetish must be just a serendipitous coincidence or something.
Whatever happened to WWIII?
Follow the money; it’s the number 1 reason insanity is permitted to prevail.
libertariansaresmarter: No, you’re not. You are, in fact, an idiot.
You asked for “one” cost and I gave you a number of financial costs. Now you’re ignoring the facts. There are also many other, and I’d say more important, non monetary costs, which my posts have clearly outlined for anyone who has a functioning brain. (I’ve been teaching in public schools for 40 years and know what I’m talking about. How about you?)
This person and Amos are frauds: they pretend to have ideas to share, when all they bring to the discussion is opinion—ill informed, unintelligent opinion, at that. They ignore both fact and argument, and they’re hypocrites as well. Unfortunately, these ignorant, arrogant know-nothings are the products of the same flawed public education system that’s giving us “Little Mosque in the Cafeteria”. There are more and more of these mental and moral midgets out there, who think very highly of themselves. This combination doesn’t bode well for either responsible civic behaviour or sound public policy.
Good Lord, deliver us!
agreed – libertarian and amos aren’t very bright and/or, they refuse to acknowledge factual reality and prefer their ideological fictional world.
Yes, libertarian, schools are used for other purposes, extra-curricular, than lessons. But what you, with your head in the clouds, refuse to acknowledge is that the ‘other use’ PAYS for this use. OK? Got it?
And the costs of a building are not simply its construction but its maintenance! [Wow – in your cloud-world, I suppose that once something is built, like a fairy-castle, it remains in perfect condition, eh?]
The Islamic community is getting the free use of a ‘mosque’ without itself paying one single penny. No other religious or other group is so privileged. Could you explain why, in your world, you consider this a ‘fair and reasonable’ act?
And as lucky lori points out, it’s all about money. Money. The Islamic community saves money and doesn’t have to spend a penny on its own building’s non-use; the school board doesn’t lose any students to a private school. Money. Money.