I figured out the scam but by the time I did I was 21yrs old ad $40,000 in debt. Took me years to pay it off, but on the way I worked hard and learned the skills to make 5x the wage of a grad waiting tables or slinging coffee, There are exceptions, with some degrees paying well enough to be worth it, but it’s sad to see someone with a Ma. in English Lit. $100, 000 + in debt working at Starbucks.
“the future of college education is over the Internet and that Americans in the future will be able to receive a better quality education from the best professors from all around the world at only a fraction of the cost of a traditional brick and mortar college education”
Efficiency and common sense. Hoping its available for my grandchildren so they don’t have to pay the small fortune that their Daddy felt he had to.
The Communists pilliged the educational system, with lies of a secure job while stealing young peoples futures by near slavery by loans for an education most will never use.
JMO
There is no course where you can not find materials, lectures, e-books on the Internet. If you want inexpensive solution for higher education, close universities replace them with lab and testing centers, preferably private.
Self-learning can even be expanded to high schools; teachers could be individual tutors and mentors, not just assembly line/propaganda mills/juvenile nursery supervisors. Knowledge is organic, a beautiful thing to watch when it grows. The medium for this growth is already a wasteland with most fertile years dating back to Bismarck’s time.
The ‘Education’ Mantra
“One of the sad and dangerous signs of our times is how many people are enthralled by words, without bothering to look at the realities behind those words”.
“Even reputable colleges are increasingly teaching things that students should have learned in high school”. article HERE
Homeschooling is nothing more or less than a boycott of the public school system by parents. I see no reason to think those same parents, in ever growing numbers, will refuse to fork over $100K to send Little Jimmy to be indoctrinated by bitter old hippies in “university”.
A friend of mine is taking a PhD in Physical Therapy by web course. If you can even imagine such a thing as a PhD in PT. Really its just course work, and so is nothing more than a BA-extension with bells and whistles on it. However the web based nature of it makes it possible to do it and work 40hrs/wk at the same time, plus its affordable to a professional PT.
At some point the regulations which cause this farcical situation will have to be cut down. The reason a high school grad can’t get a job now is not learning, its regulation. They don’t have the certification papers.
So it takes four years in “college” to learn the simple phrase “would you like fries with that order?”
I just caught the tail end of this story on one of those extreme right wing radio shows that I prefer. It seems in good old Quebec a judge has ordered home schooled children into the public system. Also,he ordered the parents to put their younger children into day-care.
on second thought . . when the college market collapses there will be tens of thousands, millions hopefully, of useless PhD college professors thrown out of work, unable to pervert any more young minds with socialist claptrap, eco-greenie renewable energy wet dreams and grand fairy tales of social justice.
It might be the best thing that has ever happened to America to rid themselves of an entire class of useless human beings in one fell swoop.
Please let the collapse happen sooner than later. Next year would really help put another nail in Obozo’s reelection campaign.
LOL, Kate! And right on!
Be scared, very scared at the train (of “educated” university grads) coming down the track. Entitled, boorish, unenlightened, unemployed, barbarians. If what they’ve “got” is education, then we’d be better off tearing down every money-grubbing “educational” institution in the country.
Poll currently at the G&M.
Is college a good idea for university grads? Couldn’t find anything to agree with.
Hot Topic: College
Is college a good idea for university grads?
No, a university degree is enough to land a job
Maybe, depends on the person
Yes, skills-based programs are key to getting a job
The Libs were flogging higher ed the last election. Maybe the electorate ain’t so stupid after all (except in Quebec!).
I avoided post secondary education and I have been passing on those savings to my customers for many years.
Father Guido Sarcucci had the best idea. He was selling university degrees based on what an average university graduate remembers of what he learned. He interviewed hundreds of grads and put all they remembered leaning into a two day course … that is all the time that was required to teach those remnants of post secondary education.
For only a couple of hundred bucks you could get a degree with the same knowledge that actual graduates paid a couple of hundred thousand to attain.
Make perfect sense to me.
Although, I have found that once you learn to read and write, you can learn anything you need to know about anything, on a need-to-know basis and that is really all that is required to get any job done.
I should also add .. that the only place you can get compensation for the torture of getting an average BA is a mind and soul destroying job with the government.
But bear in mind, those gigs are drying up fast and even faster now that there is more sensible Conservative regime in Ottawa.
wallyj, time for that family to -move-, wouldn’t you say? I’d have been gone after the first complaint was lodged.
Funny that they let crackhead/hooker single mothers keep their kids though, eh?
This university scam just makes me cross. Destroy the high school system; make a 4-year B.A. the equivalent of (poor quality) remedial highschool; lower the educational standards in the (highly politicized) Humanities to the point where semi-literates get advanced degrees; make it so that it is or so that people believe it to be impossible to get a job as a window-washer without a degree.
It’s good it have tenure.
If I believed in conspiracy theories… but it won’t work if people stop going along with it. The bubble will burst.
Children made that documentary?
I remember about 2 months ago a university educated Muslim Somalian notifying Canadians that ..
Employ HIM OR They would. (meaning al- Shabab)
Yeah right—-
Bring it on you lil—m——-y7
Alex
No…It would appear that this documentary was made to enlighten about three generations of children that higher education without a purpose is…purposeless.
What I’ve never understood is why someone would go $100 K into debt to get an English Lit degree? I was lucky in that I could plant trees for the summer and make enough money to pay my tuition and have beer money for the whole school year. Back in the 1970’s my tuition fees were a mind numbing $700/year. We used to sell beer for $0.25/bottle at TGIF’s and make a profit.
The stuff that I couldn’t do on my own was to have access to chemistry and physiology labs although anything that involved reading could be done anywhere although one did need a central library to store all of the science books. With the internet, the information is available to anyone and really all one would need would be a link to the appropriate online sources of information and the self-discipline to plow through the material. The primary function of physical universities, based on my undergrad experience, was to provide socialization and a large source of attractive female students many of whom were interested in extracurricular tantric experimentation. The faculties that don’t have labs don’t need any physical infrastructure at all but just a webserver that students could buy access to.
Having once aspired to be an academic researcher in neurophysiology, I now find myself avoiding universities as I can’t stand what they’ve turned into. Aside from the labwork I did, most of what I learned in university was either reading at the library or at the pub where we’d engage in endless multidisciplinary discussions.
Climategate demonstrated what happens when science is perverted and online scientific blogs are the new discussion forums with WUWT and climateaudit being excellent resources and frequented by people who are largely self-taught but are blowing the conventional “science” out of the water.
I can’t wait for the education bubble to pop as it would eliminate all of the useless degrees and leave the core areas that actually contribute something to society. As a doctor I have no worries about being unemployed unless I do something stupid like stop keeping up with the medical literature. People are perfectly free to read about whatever they want but I don’t want my taxes to pay for defaulted student loans of people to take women’s studies or similarly idiotic courses; far better to give these people a quick 2 week course in how to make change and the finer points of burger-flipping.
Like it or not if & when times get tough i.e. massive economic collapse, those with real world skills will fare much better than those with a degree in uselessness.
Obviously medical professionals will always have a place in any society, but lawyers and social workers not so much. Better to be a plumber, mechanic, electrician, farmer what have you. Living in Canada if you don’t own a rifle and at least take a passing interest in small or big game hunting, you are a fool relying on a protective system that is expected to always be there for you.
To each their own, if our current society should ever collapse full stop like Zimbabwe or a hundred other societies throughout history, there will be a mass natural culling of the leftosphere to be sure………….
To each their own, if our current society should ever collapse full stop … there will be a mass natural culling of the leftosphere to be sure
Something to look forward to!
Why buy a degree when you can create your own? Time to juxtapose:
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Jag_Bhaduria
“Bhaduria, in fact, possessed no bachelor of law degree, and argued that the Int. referred to the intermediate examinations he had taken towards an unfinished LL.B. from the University of London”
http://www.theglobeandmail.com/news/politics/new-democrat-doesnt-have-diploma-despite-inclusion-in-biography/article2016933/
“She doesn’t have that credential from St. Lawrence College. She didn’t complete her studies for that program and therefore does not have a diploma”
I figured out the scam but by the time I did I was 21yrs old ad $40,000 in debt. Took me years to pay it off, but on the way I worked hard and learned the skills to make 5x the wage of a grad waiting tables or slinging coffee, There are exceptions, with some degrees paying well enough to be worth it, but it’s sad to see someone with a Ma. in English Lit. $100, 000 + in debt working at Starbucks.
“the future of college education is over the Internet and that Americans in the future will be able to receive a better quality education from the best professors from all around the world at only a fraction of the cost of a traditional brick and mortar college education”
Efficiency and common sense. Hoping its available for my grandchildren so they don’t have to pay the small fortune that their Daddy felt he had to.
The Communists pilliged the educational system, with lies of a secure job while stealing young peoples futures by near slavery by loans for an education most will never use.
JMO
There is no course where you can not find materials, lectures, e-books on the Internet. If you want inexpensive solution for higher education, close universities replace them with lab and testing centers, preferably private.
Self-learning can even be expanded to high schools; teachers could be individual tutors and mentors, not just assembly line/propaganda mills/juvenile nursery supervisors. Knowledge is organic, a beautiful thing to watch when it grows. The medium for this growth is already a wasteland with most fertile years dating back to Bismarck’s time.
The ‘Education’ Mantra
“One of the sad and dangerous signs of our times is how many people are enthralled by words, without bothering to look at the realities behind those words”.
“Even reputable colleges are increasingly teaching things that students should have learned in high school”.
article HERE
Homeschooling is nothing more or less than a boycott of the public school system by parents. I see no reason to think those same parents, in ever growing numbers, will refuse to fork over $100K to send Little Jimmy to be indoctrinated by bitter old hippies in “university”.
A friend of mine is taking a PhD in Physical Therapy by web course. If you can even imagine such a thing as a PhD in PT. Really its just course work, and so is nothing more than a BA-extension with bells and whistles on it. However the web based nature of it makes it possible to do it and work 40hrs/wk at the same time, plus its affordable to a professional PT.
At some point the regulations which cause this farcical situation will have to be cut down. The reason a high school grad can’t get a job now is not learning, its regulation. They don’t have the certification papers.
So it takes four years in “college” to learn the simple phrase “would you like fries with that order?”
I just caught the tail end of this story on one of those extreme right wing radio shows that I prefer. It seems in good old Quebec a judge has ordered home schooled children into the public system. Also,he ordered the parents to put their younger children into day-care.
http://www.socon.ca/or_bust/?p=15018
on second thought . . when the college market collapses there will be tens of thousands, millions hopefully, of useless PhD college professors thrown out of work, unable to pervert any more young minds with socialist claptrap, eco-greenie renewable energy wet dreams and grand fairy tales of social justice.
It might be the best thing that has ever happened to America to rid themselves of an entire class of useless human beings in one fell swoop.
Please let the collapse happen sooner than later. Next year would really help put another nail in Obozo’s reelection campaign.
LOL, Kate! And right on!
Be scared, very scared at the train (of “educated” university grads) coming down the track. Entitled, boorish, unenlightened, unemployed, barbarians. If what they’ve “got” is education, then we’d be better off tearing down every money-grubbing “educational” institution in the country.
Poll currently at the G&M.
Is college a good idea for university grads? Couldn’t find anything to agree with.
Hot Topic: College
Is college a good idea for university grads?
No, a university degree is enough to land a job
Maybe, depends on the person
Yes, skills-based programs are key to getting a job
The Libs were flogging higher ed the last election. Maybe the electorate ain’t so stupid after all (except in Quebec!).
I avoided post secondary education and I have been passing on those savings to my customers for many years.
Father Guido Sarcucci had the best idea. He was selling university degrees based on what an average university graduate remembers of what he learned. He interviewed hundreds of grads and put all they remembered leaning into a two day course … that is all the time that was required to teach those remnants of post secondary education.
For only a couple of hundred bucks you could get a degree with the same knowledge that actual graduates paid a couple of hundred thousand to attain.
Make perfect sense to me.
Although, I have found that once you learn to read and write, you can learn anything you need to know about anything, on a need-to-know basis and that is really all that is required to get any job done.
I should also add .. that the only place you can get compensation for the torture of getting an average BA is a mind and soul destroying job with the government.
But bear in mind, those gigs are drying up fast and even faster now that there is more sensible Conservative regime in Ottawa.
wallyj, time for that family to -move-, wouldn’t you say? I’d have been gone after the first complaint was lodged.
Funny that they let crackhead/hooker single mothers keep their kids though, eh?
This university scam just makes me cross. Destroy the high school system; make a 4-year B.A. the equivalent of (poor quality) remedial highschool; lower the educational standards in the (highly politicized) Humanities to the point where semi-literates get advanced degrees; make it so that it is or so that people believe it to be impossible to get a job as a window-washer without a degree.
It’s good it have tenure.
If I believed in conspiracy theories… but it won’t work if people stop going along with it. The bubble will burst.
Children made that documentary?
I remember about 2 months ago a university educated Muslim Somalian notifying Canadians that ..
Employ HIM OR They would. (meaning al- Shabab)
Yeah right—-
Bring it on you lil—m——-y7
Alex
No…It would appear that this documentary was made to enlighten about three generations of children that higher education without a purpose is…purposeless.
What I’ve never understood is why someone would go $100 K into debt to get an English Lit degree? I was lucky in that I could plant trees for the summer and make enough money to pay my tuition and have beer money for the whole school year. Back in the 1970’s my tuition fees were a mind numbing $700/year. We used to sell beer for $0.25/bottle at TGIF’s and make a profit.
The stuff that I couldn’t do on my own was to have access to chemistry and physiology labs although anything that involved reading could be done anywhere although one did need a central library to store all of the science books. With the internet, the information is available to anyone and really all one would need would be a link to the appropriate online sources of information and the self-discipline to plow through the material. The primary function of physical universities, based on my undergrad experience, was to provide socialization and a large source of attractive female students many of whom were interested in extracurricular tantric experimentation. The faculties that don’t have labs don’t need any physical infrastructure at all but just a webserver that students could buy access to.
Having once aspired to be an academic researcher in neurophysiology, I now find myself avoiding universities as I can’t stand what they’ve turned into. Aside from the labwork I did, most of what I learned in university was either reading at the library or at the pub where we’d engage in endless multidisciplinary discussions.
Climategate demonstrated what happens when science is perverted and online scientific blogs are the new discussion forums with WUWT and climateaudit being excellent resources and frequented by people who are largely self-taught but are blowing the conventional “science” out of the water.
I can’t wait for the education bubble to pop as it would eliminate all of the useless degrees and leave the core areas that actually contribute something to society. As a doctor I have no worries about being unemployed unless I do something stupid like stop keeping up with the medical literature. People are perfectly free to read about whatever they want but I don’t want my taxes to pay for defaulted student loans of people to take women’s studies or similarly idiotic courses; far better to give these people a quick 2 week course in how to make change and the finer points of burger-flipping.
Like it or not if & when times get tough i.e. massive economic collapse, those with real world skills will fare much better than those with a degree in uselessness.
Obviously medical professionals will always have a place in any society, but lawyers and social workers not so much. Better to be a plumber, mechanic, electrician, farmer what have you. Living in Canada if you don’t own a rifle and at least take a passing interest in small or big game hunting, you are a fool relying on a protective system that is expected to always be there for you.
To each their own, if our current society should ever collapse full stop like Zimbabwe or a hundred other societies throughout history, there will be a mass natural culling of the leftosphere to be sure………….
To each their own, if our current society should ever collapse full stop … there will be a mass natural culling of the leftosphere to be sure
Something to look forward to!