“And that is why Slut Walk is worse than burning the Koran.”
59 Replies to “If Women Ran The World”
I am having a difficult time with the idea of women asking for it – I was almost raped twice in 24 hrs in Barcelona in 1977, just by walking down the street, going back to my hotel after an evening out. Definitely, the guys ended up wearing their “balls for ear rings”! And one of my friends’ 75 year old mother was repeatedly raped the night before mother’s day, 1989. Rape is a crime of violence not necessarily sex. But unfortunately, in the last 20 years, our society has become so sexualized(sp?) through fashion, TV reality shows etc., that men are receiving mixed signals. I agree with many of the commentators – better to have some self defense skills and be able to “run like the wind”, and not become falling down drunk. We are only young once, but it is also necessary to know how to protect oneself.
Jamie, Justin’s first statement was indeed true. “Our global civilization is in deep trouble,” notably when empty-headed pretty-boys like Justin can get elected to public office.
Kathy really nailed something here. Being a guy, I like it when babes dress up. Duh.
What I’m not so happy about is not being allowed to whistle, applaud loudly, or otherwise express my appreciation, admiration, etc. Strip clubs are a damn poor substitute for being able to say “Nice outfit!” to some babe at work without taking a risk of a harassment lawsuit. Actually, strip clubs are flat-out depressing for a variety of reasons.
Black Mamba said: “Rape laws are nice. You know what’s better? Concel and carry freedoms, and for the love of God train your children, especially the girls, in a little basic martial arts.”
Yeah. Or better, -lots- of martial arts. Its the attitude that wins, not the hardware. Too many STUPID women I see every day walk around with they eyes and ears shut and their brain turned off. May as well paint a target on their head.
Black Mamba: “batb – because he’s a cop” is like saying I’m not allowed to say certain things because I’m a teacher and, then, there’s clergy not supposed to say certain things (usually based on Scripture, which is their stock in trade) because they’re a preacher, and the list goes on and on.
But, those who are not constrained by their lofty positions can say and do anything they like. It’s like asking a gunslinger to shoot the bad guys with his hands tied behind his back.
Maybe I’m in a time warp, but it seems to me that it does matter what you wear. I didn’t hear this police officer saying that anyone who dresses like a slut “is asking for it,” or “deserves to be raped.” What I heard is someone speaking from experience. How many rape scenes have we encountered? How many rape victims have we interviewed?
I heard this guy, shooting straight from the hip (no hands tied behind his back but they are now), giving his honest opinion: Girls/ladies/women, it’s best not to be wearing a really short skirt, a plunging neckline, stilettos, and a sultry gait when you’re walking on campus late at night otherwise you may be sending the wrong message to the guys. I didn’t hear him calling these girls/ladies/women “sluts,” he was trying to help them by making a common-sense observation.
If girls/ladies/women are so damned entitled now — and choose to completely ignore social conventions, with a finger to anyone who points out what’s worked over the centuries to put boundaries around women to protect them — that’s a crying shame.
“Slut” paints an immediate picture, without anyone having to spell out the dress “code.” Some women dress like sluts; using this language, especially from experience, shouldn’t be an offense, for which a law officer has to apologize. It has very little to do with his having the wisdom of Solomon. His advice might even help a girl/lady/woman not be raped in the future.
I’m pretty sure I wouldn’t have been pinched on a Rome street if I hadn’t been wearing a one-piece, cut-away at the waist, mini shorts outfit. There were plenty of other women walking the sidewalk, only they were in skirts to the knees and their arms were covered.
No man should be raping anyone. But there are subliminal signals we emit by the clothes we wear and the way we walk. (Cutting down on the alcohol wouldn’t be a bad idea either but I guess I can’t say that. It would assume that all these girls/ladies/women being raped drink too much. How dare I jump to this conclusion?)
I usually agree with you, Black Mamba, but not on this one. A generation gap?
And one more thing — not that anyone’s listening!
The police officer made no reference, that I’m aware of, to a lady’s/woman’s/girl’s dress in relation to her credibility on the witness stand after she’s been raped.
He merely alluded to the way a lady/woman/girl dresses in relation to how she might be perceived by a male with an inclination towards rape.
It’s a sad comment on how pc we’ve become that we come down hard on a person who was trying to help women avoid being raped — and beat up on him.
I think that’s called killing the messenger.
There have been numerous muslims in their official capacities as RELIGIOUS SPOKESMEN who have served
notice in much more direct words than the “patriarchal policeMAN” that the raping of slutty dressers by believers
is the woman’s fault ENTIRELY.
Where were the big marches by the usual marxist front group suspects in reply to those observations?
.
batb – I’m not saying clothes (and, more importantly, attitude, comportment, general self-presentation, let alone who you go back to the dorm with) don’t play a role in sexual assault. I’m saying that some cop a)should have the basic career-sense not to talk that way to a group of what are quaintly referred to as “co-eds”, which calls his judgement entirely into question and b)should probably not be the be all and the end all of ideas about how to suss out a rape case. Your “teacher” analogy actualy does hold good; what you say here, on SDA, is one thing, but if my kid’s (I don’t have a kid) teacher said “your daughter is dressing like a little hooker” at a PTA meeting I would almost certainly have a problem with that, even if she was. And unlike a teacher, batb, a cop, pragmatically, gets to decide who is charged with what, for his own reasons. That’s unavoidable. Little girls shouldn’t be encouraged to dress like whores (crikey, I’ve seen it), but cops shouldn’t be encouraged to channel their inner Cotton Mather either.
As much as instinctive antinomians are often fools(particularly the stupid, indoctrinated ones), instinctive authoritarians are no good either.
‘Appreciate your response, Black Mamba.
As a teacher, I would never talk about a child being dressed like a slut, but I might still get into trouble for saying that a girl was dressed inappropriately.
I know male teachers, whose female students were wearing t-shirts with plunging necklines, who were afraid to speak to them about it even though the school had a dress code. They asked a female colleague to talk to them, because they knew that many parents would counter, “what were you doing looking down the front of my daughter’s shirt?”
I’m not clear that the particular police officer in question is an “instinctive authoritarian.” He may be, but he may also simply have been trying to point out some tactics to help young women avoid some of the most common pitfalls of being targeted for rape.
If he’d made this comment in the presence of my daughters, I wouldn’t have been offended (I can’t speak for them); I would, instinctively, know that he was trying to protect them and that he wasn’t saying that all women who are raped are sluts.
I am having a difficult time with the idea of women asking for it – I was almost raped twice in 24 hrs in Barcelona in 1977, just by walking down the street, going back to my hotel after an evening out. Definitely, the guys ended up wearing their “balls for ear rings”! And one of my friends’ 75 year old mother was repeatedly raped the night before mother’s day, 1989. Rape is a crime of violence not necessarily sex. But unfortunately, in the last 20 years, our society has become so sexualized(sp?) through fashion, TV reality shows etc., that men are receiving mixed signals. I agree with many of the commentators – better to have some self defense skills and be able to “run like the wind”, and not become falling down drunk. We are only young once, but it is also necessary to know how to protect oneself.
“I’m just fed up with your cr@p, Jack.”
Jamie, Justin’s first statement was indeed true. “Our global civilization is in deep trouble,” notably when empty-headed pretty-boys like Justin can get elected to public office.
Kathy really nailed something here. Being a guy, I like it when babes dress up. Duh.
What I’m not so happy about is not being allowed to whistle, applaud loudly, or otherwise express my appreciation, admiration, etc. Strip clubs are a damn poor substitute for being able to say “Nice outfit!” to some babe at work without taking a risk of a harassment lawsuit. Actually, strip clubs are flat-out depressing for a variety of reasons.
Black Mamba said: “Rape laws are nice. You know what’s better? Concel and carry freedoms, and for the love of God train your children, especially the girls, in a little basic martial arts.”
Yeah. Or better, -lots- of martial arts. Its the attitude that wins, not the hardware. Too many STUPID women I see every day walk around with they eyes and ears shut and their brain turned off. May as well paint a target on their head.
Black Mamba: “batb – because he’s a cop” is like saying I’m not allowed to say certain things because I’m a teacher and, then, there’s clergy not supposed to say certain things (usually based on Scripture, which is their stock in trade) because they’re a preacher, and the list goes on and on.
But, those who are not constrained by their lofty positions can say and do anything they like. It’s like asking a gunslinger to shoot the bad guys with his hands tied behind his back.
Maybe I’m in a time warp, but it seems to me that it does matter what you wear. I didn’t hear this police officer saying that anyone who dresses like a slut “is asking for it,” or “deserves to be raped.” What I heard is someone speaking from experience. How many rape scenes have we encountered? How many rape victims have we interviewed?
I heard this guy, shooting straight from the hip (no hands tied behind his back but they are now), giving his honest opinion: Girls/ladies/women, it’s best not to be wearing a really short skirt, a plunging neckline, stilettos, and a sultry gait when you’re walking on campus late at night otherwise you may be sending the wrong message to the guys. I didn’t hear him calling these girls/ladies/women “sluts,” he was trying to help them by making a common-sense observation.
If girls/ladies/women are so damned entitled now — and choose to completely ignore social conventions, with a finger to anyone who points out what’s worked over the centuries to put boundaries around women to protect them — that’s a crying shame.
“Slut” paints an immediate picture, without anyone having to spell out the dress “code.” Some women dress like sluts; using this language, especially from experience, shouldn’t be an offense, for which a law officer has to apologize. It has very little to do with his having the wisdom of Solomon. His advice might even help a girl/lady/woman not be raped in the future.
I’m pretty sure I wouldn’t have been pinched on a Rome street if I hadn’t been wearing a one-piece, cut-away at the waist, mini shorts outfit. There were plenty of other women walking the sidewalk, only they were in skirts to the knees and their arms were covered.
No man should be raping anyone. But there are subliminal signals we emit by the clothes we wear and the way we walk. (Cutting down on the alcohol wouldn’t be a bad idea either but I guess I can’t say that. It would assume that all these girls/ladies/women being raped drink too much. How dare I jump to this conclusion?)
I usually agree with you, Black Mamba, but not on this one. A generation gap?
And one more thing — not that anyone’s listening!
The police officer made no reference, that I’m aware of, to a lady’s/woman’s/girl’s dress in relation to her credibility on the witness stand after she’s been raped.
He merely alluded to the way a lady/woman/girl dresses in relation to how she might be perceived by a male with an inclination towards rape.
It’s a sad comment on how pc we’ve become that we come down hard on a person who was trying to help women avoid being raped — and beat up on him.
I think that’s called killing the messenger.
There have been numerous muslims in their official capacities as RELIGIOUS SPOKESMEN who have served
notice in much more direct words than the “patriarchal policeMAN” that the raping of slutty dressers by believers
is the woman’s fault ENTIRELY.
Where were the big marches by the usual marxist front group suspects in reply to those observations?
.
batb – I’m not saying clothes (and, more importantly, attitude, comportment, general self-presentation, let alone who you go back to the dorm with) don’t play a role in sexual assault. I’m saying that some cop a)should have the basic career-sense not to talk that way to a group of what are quaintly referred to as “co-eds”, which calls his judgement entirely into question and b)should probably not be the be all and the end all of ideas about how to suss out a rape case. Your “teacher” analogy actualy does hold good; what you say here, on SDA, is one thing, but if my kid’s (I don’t have a kid) teacher said “your daughter is dressing like a little hooker” at a PTA meeting I would almost certainly have a problem with that, even if she was. And unlike a teacher, batb, a cop, pragmatically, gets to decide who is charged with what, for his own reasons. That’s unavoidable. Little girls shouldn’t be encouraged to dress like whores (crikey, I’ve seen it), but cops shouldn’t be encouraged to channel their inner Cotton Mather either.
As much as instinctive antinomians are often fools(particularly the stupid, indoctrinated ones), instinctive authoritarians are no good either.
‘Appreciate your response, Black Mamba.
As a teacher, I would never talk about a child being dressed like a slut, but I might still get into trouble for saying that a girl was dressed inappropriately.
I know male teachers, whose female students were wearing t-shirts with plunging necklines, who were afraid to speak to them about it even though the school had a dress code. They asked a female colleague to talk to them, because they knew that many parents would counter, “what were you doing looking down the front of my daughter’s shirt?”
I’m not clear that the particular police officer in question is an “instinctive authoritarian.” He may be, but he may also simply have been trying to point out some tactics to help young women avoid some of the most common pitfalls of being targeted for rape.
If he’d made this comment in the presence of my daughters, I wouldn’t have been offended (I can’t speak for them); I would, instinctively, know that he was trying to protect them and that he wasn’t saying that all women who are raped are sluts.