In an interview with Walter Williams, he describes what must change in order for Black Americans to move forward. Here’s a snippet:
During Reconstruction and up until the 1940s, 75% to 85% of black children lived in two-parent families. Today, more than 70% of black children are born to single women. “The welfare state has done to black Americans what slavery couldn’t do, what Jim Crow couldn’t do, what the harshest racism couldn’t do,” Mr. Williams says. “And that is to destroy the black family.”
Alex>
“It’s worth pointing out that Muslim nations have some of the lowest divorce and single-parent rates in the world….”
Yea way to stick it to em Alex. LOL – Muslims also have the greatest spousal abuses including honour killings and forced marriages. What about female castration and stoning? I couldn’t understand for a second why your comments about low divorce rates would be accurate, duh.
Geeze I’m not sure why all those women just don’t file for divorce more often, no?
Smoke another joint and watch some more PBS tonight Alex, you need a new reality to cling to for awhile.
Lookout, let me know when you put together an actual response, k?
‘Nice to hear from you, batb. I agree with you too!
Alex, resorting to an alarmist or extremist conclusion does not bolster your argument. Such a tactic is as stupid as not capitalising “Christian” or referring to Muslim households as somehow successful models of socio-cultural stability.
The proof is around you. How many single-parent/shacked up couples/broken homes really work? The truth is they don’t.
Hey Robert:
I had two good posts, no profanity, no libel or slander, no spam filter words. But both were “held for review by the author”, and have never seen the light of day.
What gives?
“Alex, resorting to an alarmist or extremist conclusion does not bolster your argument”
I agree – that’s exactly what I was saying.
“referring to Muslim households as somehow successful models of socio-cultural stability”
Given that muslim marriage customs are essentially identical to christian marriage customs of a couple hundred years ago, I see no issue there. Since most of the “marriage is sacred” weirdos look at the 1700’s as some kind of golden-era, I just assumed that you were ok with arranged marriages and polygamy. It seems a bit inconsistent to look back and claim that everything was SOOO much better because people were forced to marry and then stay in marriages they didn’t want, while simultaneously criticizing the muslims for doing the same thing. Pick a side and stick with it!
“The proof is around you. How many single-parent/shacked up couples/broken homes really work?”
I dunno – got any data? From personal anecdotes I’d say they work just fine, but that’s not an accurate way of assessing the situation. Judging from the fact that more secular nations tend to have lower rates of marriage AND score higher on all measurements of societal health, I’d say there isn’t much of an argument to be made against such arrangements. I am, of course, happy to consider any well-supported arguments you may have to the contrary, and am also quite curious to see your proposed “solution”.
“Given that muslim marriage customs are essentially identical to christian marriage customs of a couple hundred years ago…”
Polygamy? Female genital mutilation? Polygamy? Women as having literally no identity of their own (as an example, a Saudi woman whose oldest son is Hasan will be referred to as “Um Hasan”)? Polygamy? Dressing women up in sheets? Polygamy?
Look, Alex, I did this for you
Alex, have I told you lately that you’re a twit?
“Given that muslim marriage customs are essentially identical to christian marriage customs of a couple hundred years ago …”
HUH?
Absolute garbage — a couple of hundred years ago and today.
Shut up, Alex.
You know, normally I’m happy to ignore morons like you (as I’ve been doing since you first spoke, many months ago), but I gotta ask – if you’re not going to contribute anything productive, why do you bother to speak? Is it just narcissism, or do you honestly think that telling people to shut up makes you sound cool and witty?
Above, I wrote, in relation to the well-being of our children: “IMO, the crux of the matter here is MARRIAGE: as the secular West has devalued this institution in favour of easy sex, feminism (as in men are second class and expendable), abortion on demand, easy divorce, common-law as equal to marriage, surrogate parenthood, and homosexual ‘marriage’—lawful polygamy comes next, folks!—our children are further and further removed from the possibility of living with their own parents. And, how old fashioned of me, I believe kids really need BOTH parents . . .
“The tried and true rules around sex and marriage have been tossed out—and our kids are really suffering because of the selfish desires of their parents, who are now given carte blanche—sanctioned by our ‘evolving’ laws and the ‘no shame’, laissez faire attitudes of society—to do whatever they damn well please: ‘Sorry kids, it’s about US, not you.’”
At the request of a person who disagreed with me, I’ve gathered evidence of the instability and risk factors re the well-being of children, when they live with unrelated adults, especially ones with serious problems of their own. It’s a long post and is being held in the filter. I hope it gets out because the studies cited provide some very interesting facts about how the selfishness of adults is seriously undermining the safety, health, and well-being of both our children and society as a whole.
It seems that my evidence to document my view is too long for one post. So I’m going to break it up:
By Request:
Above, I wrote, in relation to the well-being of our children: “IMO, the crux of the matter here is MARRIAGE: as the secular West has devalued this institution in favour of easy sex, feminism (as in men are second class and expendable), abortion on demand, easy divorce, common-law as equal to marriage, surrogate parenthood, and homosexual ‘marriage’—lawful polygamy comes next, folks!—our children are further and further removed from the possibility of living with their own parents. And, how old fashioned of me, I believe kids really need BOTH parents . . .
“The tried and true rules around sex and marriage have been tossed out—and our kids are really suffering because of the selfish desires of their parents, who are now given carte blanche—sanctioned by our ‘evolving’ laws and the ‘no shame’, laissez faire attitudes of society—to do whatever they damn well please: ‘Sorry kids, it’s about US, not you.’”
Then Alex wrote, “Judging from the fact that more secular nations tend to have lower rates of marriage AND score higher on all measurements of societal health [as compared to what/when?], I’d say there isn’t much of an argument to be made against such arrangements. I am, of course, happy to consider any well-supported arguments you may have to the contrary . . .” Of course, Alex should provide evidence for his ideas, but doesn’t—because the evidence does not support his loony ideas. In fact in today’s National Post, there’s an article that reports that 25% of university students are depressed: now, isn’t that a sign of “societal health”?
So, by request, I’ve collected some information—it’s been out there for a long time, for all to see. So, listen up:
1) KIDS LIVING WITH NON-RELATED ADULTS ARE AT MUCH GREATER RISK OF BEING ABUSED
One of the major problem factors for kids, in most of the other arrangements outside of the marriage of their own parents, is that KIDS LIVING WITH NON-RELATED ADULTS ARE AT MUCH GREATER RISK OF BEING ABUSED. Keep this in mind, because kids not being with both their parents is built in to nearly all the alternate arrangements.
“University of Chicago Medical Centre
“November 7, 2005: YOUNG CHILDREN WHO LIVE IN HOUSEHOLDS WITH ONE OR MORE UNRELATED ADULTS ARE NEARLY 50 TIMES AS LIKELY TO DIE FROM AN INFLICTED INJURY, USUALLY BEING SHAKEN OR STRUCK, AS CHILDREN LIVING WITH TWO BIOLOGIC PARENTS report researchers from the University of Missouri-Columbia and the University of Chicago in the November 2005 issue of the journal Pediatrics.” (Emphasis mine)
There is also a host of other problems for kids living with alternate parental arrangements.
(To be continued . . .)
2) DIVORCE:
Judith Wallerstein is a well known and respected psychologist and researcher who has devoted 25 years to a longitudinal study of the long-term effects of divorce. Her work is thoughtful, professional, and disturbing.
“Children experience divorce differently from their parents, and on different schedules . . . The effects of the divorce for children may continue for decades.
“The children in Wallerstein’s study complained bitterly about being forced to disrupt their lives to spend time with the non-custodial parent. They wanted to see the other parent but felt that all the arrangements were made for their parents’ convenience and not theirs. [Remember my theory: “It’s about US, not you”.] . . .
“The children Wallerstein studied were more likely to struggle with drugs, alcohol, and sex. Fully half the children she studied were involved in serious abuse of alcohol and drugs, some as early as age 14. And they tended to become sexually active early, particularly the girls.”
3) COMMON-LAW RELATIONSHIPS
“Department of Justice, Canada, 2001
“Factors that increase risk: living in a common law relationship.”
Canadian Centre for Justice Statistics: Women living in common law relationships are four and a half times more likely to be abused than are married women.
Common law relationships are also much less stable than marriage: there is a high incidence of separation. (See DIVORCE above.)
4) HIGH RATES OF VIOLENCE IN LESBIAN AND GAY RELATIONSHIPS
“Violence in lesbian and gay relationships: theory, prevalence, and correlational factors.
Burke LK, Follingstad DR. (1999)
Department of Psychology, University of South Carolina, Columbia 29208, USA. Burke@black.cla.sc.edu
“Abstract
“This article reviews and critiques the existing empirical literature examining interpersonal violence in lesbian and gay relationships. Studies assessing psychological, physical, and nonconsenting sexual forms of violence in intimate, same-sex relationships are reviewed, and their findings are integrated with what is known about partner abuse in heterosexual relationships. NINETEEN STUDIES are described and categorized according to the specific questions being addressed. This body of literature suggests that PREVALENCE RATES OF SAME-SEX PARTNER ABUSE ARE HIGH and its correlates show many similarities to those identified in incidents of heterosexual partner abuse. This article addresses the need for substantially increased efforts in this field of study in terms of well-controlled and theory-driven research design. In terms of other implications of this body of literature, the high prevalence rate of partner abuse among lesbian and gay populations needs to be recognized by providers of both physical and mental health services who potentially treat victims, so that they can more accurately identify appropriate interventions. More research is warranted, not only in the general area of lesbian and gay partner abuse, but in examining various treatment modalities and their effectiveness in helping perpetrators to end the cycle of violence.” (Emphasis mine)
5) HIGH RATES OF DRUG AND ALCOHOL ABUSE IN THE HOMOSEXUAL COMMUNITY
PRIDE Institute, Creating Healthy LGTB Community (2011)
ALCOHOL ABUSE: “In the LGBT community, research suggests that alcohol abuse and dependence occurs at even higher rates than in the mainstream population. Independent studies collectively support the estimate that alcohol abuse occurs in the LGBT community as rates up to three times that in the mainstream population. Said another way, alcohol abuse is estimated to occur in up to 45% of those in the LGBT community. . .”
DRUG ABUSE: “Studies indicate that, when compared with the mainstream (heterosexual) population, LGBT people are more likely to use drugs, have higher rates of substance abuse, and are more likely to continue drug abuse into later life. Although LGBT people have been shown to use all types of drugs, certain drugs appear to be more popular in the LGBT community than in the mainstream community.
“Gay men, for example, are significantly more likely to have used marijuana, stimulants, sedatives, cocaine, and party drugs (ecstasy, ketamine, and GHB) than men in the general population. The use of crystal methamphetamine in gay and bisexual men has increased dramatically in recent years.
“Few studies have looked at drug use in the lesbian community and there is subsequently little information on this population. What little information there is, however, suggests that drug abuse in lesbians occurs at higher rates than heterosexual women and could equal the rates of occurrence in gay men.
“The following types of drugs are commonly abused by members of the LGBT community (excluding alcohol and crystal methamphetamine) . . .[a list follows]”
6) POLYGAMY
The abuse in such relationships—polygamy, itself, is an abuse of the dignity and integrity of women—has been well documented.
SOLUTION (asked for by a poster here): From the above, it really doesn’t seem that parents’ alternate living arrangements, outside of living with one’s married, heterosexual spouse, work very well for their children, or for society as a whole. Part of the solution is for adults to be less selfish and put the needs of their children ahead of their own. How about changing, “Sorry kids, it’s about US, not you’” to “Precious children, it’s about YOU, not us”?
So, it’s not just the black family: everywhere that parents do not live together to raise their biological children, things have a way of not going very well for the kids.
This fact should make us take pause and solemnly consider our kids’ needs, rather than adult desires. That our social, political, and legal structures have all fallen for advancing adult sexual license over the safety and well-being of our children is a serious, and quite appalling, failing of the West.
We’re already paying dearly for this—and will continue to.
Alex>
“You know, normally I’m happy to ignore morons like you”
It’s funny that EVERYONE around you is a moron, huh Alex? I’ll bet this applies to you when driving also, too funny.
It must be difficult to be omniscient yet feel the need to post on SDA daily and share your great all knowing knowledge with morons. LOL.
Look around, no one is laughing with you.
I live in hope: Shut up, Alex …
… as I have no hope or expectancy that you’ll respond to lookout’s extensively documented POV which completely blows yours to smithereens.
Your solution isn’t a solution – it’s a platitude. If that’s the best you have to offer, then the entire discussion is pointless, since you have no method for affecting change. When we discuss solutions, we’re obviously talking about either legal, financial, or social actions which can be taken to encourage a certain outcome. Without that, you’re just whining.
As for the rest … lets take a few countries and compare:
———————- US Canada Sweden Norway
Age of first marriage 26 29 32 31
Divorce Rate (per 1000ppl): 4.95 2.46 2.24
Heterosexual commonlaw rate: 8.00% 28.00%
disabled employment: 58.00% 72.00% 69.00% 72.00%
Education expenditures: 5.30% 5.20% 7.1 7.2
Households with more than 5 people: 10.00% 10.00% 5.00% 8.00%
Lone parent families: 11.00% 9.00% 3.00% 9.00%
Marriage rate: 9.80% 4.70% 5.20%
Nobel Laureates (per 1 million ppl) 0.91 0.3 3.33 1.74
One person households: 26 24 24 19
Teenage birth rate: 52.1 20.2 6.5 12.4
Assaults 0.75% 0.71% 0.68% 0.32%
Murder (per 1000 ppl) 0.043 0.015 ? 0.011
Rape (per 1000 ppl) 0.301 0.733 0.121
Robberies (per 1000 ppl) 1.385 0.823 0.388
Literacy 99.00% 99.00% 99.00% 100.00%
Student attitude – dislike school 35.00% 37.00% 20.00% 23.00%
Abortions per capita 4.09% 2.15% 4.16% 2.98%
Life expectancy at birth: 77 80 81 79
Life expectancy – healthy years: 67.6 69.9 71.8 70.8
Obesity: 30.60% 14.30% 9.70% 8.30%
Now, you tell me: looking at those stats, how do those nations rank in percentage of common law and homosexual marriages amongst the general population, and how do you know?
Sorry, Alex, apples and oranges. You’re not worth another nanosecond of anyone’s time. Your language processing skills are zilch. Perhaps you aren’t able to smarten up.
I posted the statistics as information for reasonable people.
lol. RUN AWAY!!!
Typical.