They could have, at the least, kept their mouths shut;
But this portrayal missed key considerations. In the extent and scope of their criticism of Jones’ aims, senior U.S. officials, including Clinton and Gen. Petraeus, exceeded their constitutional remit in ways that could undermine future security and liberal-democratic ways. The same can be said of Harper and his defence minister.
Their warnings and beseechings raised immeasurably the stakes in this matter. Politicians risked the possibility that a government failure to apparently force Jones to stop — a constitutional impossibility, in any event — would produce more blowback than ever. Now that this pressure has forced Jones to climb down on his own, liberal-democracy’s enemies at home and abroad will be emboldened. The outcome doubtless confirms their doctrinal belief in a soft West that is vulnerable to ever-increasing levels of terrorism and stealth-jihadic demands for endlessly-Islamizing “accommodation.”
There is more to the political overreach problem. The package of freedoms for which the U.S. and Canada sacrifice in South Asia presumably includes the “first freedom” — freedom of expression — in Canada’s Charter and the even more expansive U.S. First Amendment provision. As U.S. Supreme Court decisions remind us, this freedom even protects those wishing to burn the U.S. flag. It is unlikely any ostensibly sacred text could have outranked the flag for such constitutional purposes.
Brief government statements-of-position would have sufficed in the Jones case. Unfortunately, the extremes to which politicians went might encourage future officials to pressure for expanded crisis-driven, religion-based censorship, out of fear of “offending Islam.” Worse, the recent hysteria requires that we ask whether posturing politicians and media are internalizing the Organization of the Islamic Conference’s international objective at the UN of imposing Sharia blasphemy norms on Muslims and non-Muslims worldwide.
Read it all.
Also apropos is Michelle Malkin on the eternal flame of Muslim outrage.
Give with one hand and take with the other. Talk of the silent majority in Islam runs a little thin for me these days. The leadership is certainly radical enough for my tastes. Anyone who reads about what is happening in Europe should realize our turn is coming!
It’s the apology generation.
Harper and Obama forced we the citizens of Canada to surrender to radical Islamists’ demands, no secular Muslims in the West threatened us with violence it twas the bearded freaks across Muslim lands that threatened us– you know the self same radical freaks that are killing our troops for sport. I’m so mad at Western Politicians, spineless fools, I could eat a bag of nails and not feel pain.
Once again I’ll repeat it was foreign Islamic Supremacists that threatened us and we capitulated like cheap shirts, shame on Harper, Iffy Obama the lot of them moral cowards. The Islamists’ scream “Free Speech go to hell” but it twas our political Masters who shoved Free Speech into HELLL lest we offend people who are brest fed to hate us.
What Rose said. The muslims win another round in their jihad against the west.The next win will be to continue with the mosque near ground zero.
Our politicians and police are too gutless to protect us from the enmity of PC group violence.
Lock and load, burn a Koran today at your local mall and keep a large jar of bacon fat handy.
Resistance is not only futile, it’s a recruiting tool.
At this very moment I have, in my woodstove, four Korans that I have bought at Chapters. I plan to use them as kindling to light my first wood stove fire of the Autumn season. The fire generated from those burning Korans will then heat up my trusty cast-iron frying pan and a package of Maple Leaf Bacon will be sizzling before noon today.
The bottom line in my view is this: it’s ok to burn a bible but not a koran? It’s like dealing with a school yard bully…either turn tail and run (most politicians, media, etc) or you look him in the eye and say “up yours”. This is OUR school yard. If these folks want to come and play they either play nice or leave.
The West is cowering like a beaten wife living in the constant fear that her husband will go off on violent rampages against her at any time based on his own internal psychosis.
It’s time – actually long PAST time – that the West grew a pair. Stand up to the bullies rather than siding with them.
In Response to Proposed Koran Burning, Islamic Bloc Asks U.N. to Outlaw “All Forms of Offense Against Religions”
http://weaselzippers.us/2010/09/10/in-response-to-proposed-koran-burning-islamic-bloc-asks-u-n-to-outlaw-all-forms-of-offense-against-religions/
I am shocked.
Once again the cops are facing the wrong way at the protest march.
. . . and then they’ll get the UN to ban homosexuality
Very well put.
It is the mass media and politicians that brought this stupidity about.
If the mass media ignored rather than hyped Jones’s intentions, nobody would really care what would happen in Florida. it may be that the mass media had meeting of journolisters to come up with a united front against the bad Christians, if it questionable that you can call Jones a Christian. Remember the islamists call their religion as being of “peace”, in spite of all the evidence to the contrary.
The politicians for whatever reason, to look magnanimous, to look superior, to suck up to the islamists, do proclamations without thinking about the long term consequences of their meddling in nonevents.
For example, while Gen. Petraeus, in saying that it may harm the soldiers may have a wisp of truth, the whole truth is that the soldiers are living and acting in, for all practical purposes, war conditions. To say that harm may come to you if somebody somewhere says or does something while you are in war like situation is rather silly.
One wanders why the general would say anything at all in this context, lest he was prodded by a politician that had no guts to say anything him/her self.
As for Harper and MacKay, do they have any reason to say anything? Take for example the islamists in France, they burn so many cars a day, would the two gentlemen have anything to say about that. If they did, it sure would look stupid. Of course it is closer to the truth that they were prodded by some islamists associations to say something, so they complied by the order.
Note one thing, the islamist conquered the stage. Mostly non events will attract the attention of most of the world mass media for no other reason than that they relate to islam.
Agreed Kate. Drinking a nice warm glass of STFU at least wouldn’t have made things worse.
To take an optimistic tone, I wonder if perhaps this could ultimately be one of those ‘teachable moments’ I always hear about. While awareness has grown, much of the West still saunters along, wilfully blind and blissfully ignorant. But political/jihadic Islam inevitably overreaches and perhaps this may wake up another chunk of the population
The obvious hyprocrisy of Western ‘leadership’ over GZM and PyroKorania, the usual reaction by the Religion of Outrage, the classic myopic and moronic media ….all should contribute.
The useful idiots, wannabe dhimmis and fellow travellers will spout their usual nonsense, but I suspect this could be another minor turning point in the Western Awakening.
One can hope anyway.
Rose: Great point. Muslims in the USA did not threaten local violence and some have clearly spoken out against the Ground Zero mosque. It makes it all the more disturbing that our leaders bowed to the demands of foreign barbarians who burn churches, murder whomever they disagree with, and refuse flood aid to Pakistani flood victims unless they convert … etc etc etc.
We, the proles, are increasingly alone in this.
The Burning of the Comic Books.
O’s “any books”:
“*President Barack Obama, who had said publicly he didn’t have a problem with the concept of a mosque at ground zero, urged the preacher not to burn any books,”.
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An ex-progressive/communist recalls:
The Burning of the Comic Books.
David Horowitz* recalls his youth at his Party’s summer camp*:
>>> “Every summer there would be campfire dedicated to the ritual burning of comic books that were “imperialist” or had anti-communist themes.”
*Radical Son
A Generational Odyssey
Simon and Schuster
1997
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“Koran Non-Burning Day”
http://pajamasmedia.com/richardfernandez/2010/09/09/koran-non-burning-day/#comment-122129
Here’s my solution: If Rev Jones burns a Koran he is arrested and charged with something, whatever. Now, precedent is set. The next time some twit burns a bible he/she is arrested on the spot too.
I know, unworkable.
Harper and his merry band of closet Liberals are looking more and more like Brian Mulroney’s Progressives every day.
Once a Toronto boy, always a Toronto boy.
Because of the lack of leadership in the West on our response to Islam’s demand for special treatment, I fear that there will be another HUGE attack on citizens in the West. It will either be the real wake up call where we finally decide to take back our values or the final act where we give up. Either way it is will not be a happy time!
What is important, and I mean the word, about Jones’ burning of the Koran?
Islam is not a religion; indeed, it says little about man’s relation to the metaphysical. However, it says a great deal about man’s relation to the political and societal powers of authority.
And it is this political and social agenda, the basic real meaning of Islamism – which has absolutely nothing to do with religion – which must be confronted.
Islam is a political and societal agenda removed from analysis, reason, debate, by cloaking it AS IF it were a religion.
Muslims will not debate these areas of
their ‘religion’, they insist that we accept their political and social rules as inviolate, beyond question and universal. Imagine that. The socialist world objects to the west ‘imposing democracy’ on them. However, it’s quite accepable to ‘impose Islamism and its sharia law’ on the world.
Islam has to be confronted for its political and social agenda. And, it has to be confronted about the violence that exists in its ideology.
No more political correctness; no more acknowledging the religion and ignoring the political and social agendas. Confront the reality – and the reality is those political and social agendas. Since the Muslims refuse to
do this – then, we must confront the totalitarianism and hatred that is in those agendas.
That is why the Jones’ confrontation is important. He is acknowledging two things: One, is the violence within Islam; the other is the fact that it is primarily a political and social agenda disguised as a religion.
A commenter at Malkin’s site state in part …
“Sorry, but the fact that commenters seem never to want to miss an opportunity to apply an uncomplimentary adjective to the “pastor” each and every time he is referred to gives me the impression that commenters do not want to offend islamic rage boy.”
I too noted this. Even at Fox News Bill O’Reilly, Hannity, … not too mention the Muslim world’s premium ass-kissers at all other media, all of them to a man include demeaning adjectives in front any reference to Terry Jones.
Perhaps he does want some publicity, so what, the point he is making is valid. We are offended to death by the onslaught of this disgusting jihad. Most of us have had enough and Terry Jones is brave enough to commit an act of what could be suicide to make that point loud and clear.
What Terry Jones is doing is called pushing back, but in our soft spoiled over-fed society that’s called bullying.
This is a bit long but our capitulating and appeasing politicians and media should read it closely.
What Islam Isn’t
By Dr. Peter Hammond
FrontPageMagazine.com
The following is adapted from Dr. Peter Hammond’s book: Slavery, Terrorism and Islam: The Historical Roots and Contemporary Threat:
Islam is not a religion nor is it a cult. It is a complete system.
Islam has religious, legal, political, economic and military components. The religious component is a beard for all the other components.
Islamization occurs when there are sufficient Muslims in a country to agitate for their so-called ‘religious rights.’
When politically correct and culturally diverse societies agree to ‘the reasonable’ Muslim demands for their ‘religious rights,’ they also get the other components under the table. Here’s how it works (percentages source CIA: The World Fact Book (2007)).
As long as the Muslim population remains around 1% of any given country they will be regarded as a peace-loving minority and not as a threat to anyone. In fact, they may be featured in articles and films, stereotyped for their colorful uniqueness:
United States — Muslim 1.0%
Australia — Muslim 1.5%
Canada — Muslim 1.9%
China — Muslim 1%-2%
Italy — Muslim 1.5%
Norway — Muslim 1.8%
At 2% and 3% they begin to proselytize from other ethnic minorities and disaffected groups with major recruiting from the jails and among street gangs:
Denmark — Muslim 2%
Germany — Muslim 3.7%
United Kingdom — Muslim 2.7%
Spain — Muslim 4%
Thailand — Muslim 4.6%
From 5% on they exercise an inordinate influence in proportion to their percentage of the population.
They will push for the introduction of halal (clean by Islamic standards) food, thereby securing food preparation jobs for Muslims. They will increase pressure on supermarket chai ns to feature it on their shelves — along with threats for failure to comply. ( United States ).
France — Muslim 8%
Philippines — Muslim 5%
Sweden — Muslim 5%
Switzerland — Muslim 4.3%
The Netherlands — Muslim 5.5%
Trinidad &Tobago — Muslim 5.8%
At this point, they will work to get the ruling government to allow them to rule themselves under Sharia, the Islamic Law. The ultimate goal of Islam is not to convert the world but to establish Sharia law over the entire world.
When Muslims reach 10% of the population, they will increase lawlessness as a means of complaint about their conditions ( Paris –car-burnings). Any non-Muslim action that offends Islam will result in uprisings and threats (Amsterdam – Mohammed cartoons).
Guyana — Muslim 10%
India — Muslim 13.4%
Israel — Muslim 16%
Kenya — Muslim 10%
Russia — Muslim 10-15%
After reaching 20% expect hair-trigger rioting, jihad militia formations, sporadic killings and church and synagogue burning: Ethiopia — Muslim 32.8%
At 40% you will find widespread massacres, chronic terror attacks and ongoing militia warfare:
Bosnia — Muslim 40%
Chad — Muslim 53.1%
Lebanon — Muslim 59.7%
From 60% you may expect unfettered persecution of non-believers and other religions, sporadic ethnic cleansing (genocide), use of Sharia Law as a weapon and Jizya, the tax placed on infidels:
Albania — Muslim 70%
Malaysia — Muslim 60.4%
Qatar — Muslim 77.5%
Sudan — Muslim 70%
After 80% expect State run ethnic cleansing and genocide:
Bangladesh — Muslim 83%
Egypt — Muslim 90%
Gaza — Muslim 98.7%
Indonesia — Muslim 86.1%
Iran — Muslim 98%
Iraq — Muslim 97%
Jordan — Muslim 92%
Morocco — Muslim 98.7%
Pakistan — Muslim 97%
Palestine — Muslim 99%
Syria — Muslim 90%
Tajikistan — Muslim 90%
Turkey — Muslim 99.8%
United Arab Emirates — Muslim 96%
100% will usher in the peace of ‘Dar-es-Salaam’ — the Islamic House of Peace — there’s supposed to be peace because everybody is a Muslim:
Afghanistan — Muslim 100%
Saudi Arabia — Muslim 100%
Somalia — Muslim 100%
Yemen — Muslim 99.9%
Of course, that’s not the case. To satisfy their blood lust, Muslims then start killing each other for a variety of reasons.
‘Before I was nine I had learned the basic canon of Arab life. It was me against my brother; me and my brother against our father; my family against my cousins and the clan; the clan against the tribe; and the tribe against the world and all of us against the infidel.” Leon Uris, ‘The Haj’
It is good to remember that in many, many countries, such as France, the Muslim populations are centered around ghettos based on their ethnicity. Muslims do not integrate into the community at large. Therefore, they exercise more power than their national average would indicate.
Abe, agreed 100%. I have noticed the same thing in reference to any comments on the Koran burning pastor. It’s disturbing.
So let me get this right, muslim response to the mere thought of burning a koran is to burn american flags, chant death to america, death to obama, death to christians, etc, etc, etc…. This is logic to the “religion of peace”.
Sooner or later, those that think they can appease Islam will wake up one day with the most horrible realization that they were wrong, and that it’s too late. Some may even understand that they were the enablers of their own societal demise.
These are the most pathetic, wormy creatures our soft western culture has allowed to grow like malignant tumours.
Oz: “Harper and his merry band of closet Liberals are looking more and more like Brian Mulroney’s Progressives every day.”
Write to PM Harper and Defence Minister Peter MacKay:
Harper Stephen
MacKay Peter
I didn’t realize that we had Sharia law in Canada …
Great point. Muslims in the USA did not threaten local violence and some have clearly spoken out against the Ground Zero mosque.
~Cjunk
A “moderate muslim” is one who doesn’t like the odds yet. He’s waiting for his not-so-moderate friends to kill a few more of us before he joins in the fun.
~JinEugene at Ace
Anyone who is paying attention can see that the pendulum is swinging back to the right in a big way in the U.S. right now.
Where were those anti-GZM American Muslims for the past 9 years?
Here in Canada, well the right is supposed to already be in power here.
Yeah sure, Harper has a minority government.
So what?
He doesn’t have to do gratutious Leftist crap like the lightbulb ban or apologizing to the Indians or recognizing a Muslim narco-state in the heart of Europe or refusing to stand up for the principle of free speech not only in this instance but also section 13 of the Canadian Human Rights Code.
Some conservatives are asking why the FBI had to visit the pastor not once but twice, e.g. Ace of Spades?
Why aren’t the liberals asking about this and other examples of the weight of the state coming down on this one individual?
Hmmm … a few Sharia Gremlins must be at work. I definitely included the PM’s and MacKay’s e-mail address to my above post.
I’ll try again:
Stephen Harper: pm@pm.gc.ca
Peter MacKay: Mackay.P@parl.gc.ca
Write them!
batb said: “Write to PM Harper and Defence Minister Peter MacKay:”
Useless. The Harper PMO is the most sandbagged ever. I’ve had a CPC MP coach me on how to get my letters read using the same tricks HE must use in order to be heard … and he’s an MP for Pete’s sake. The Harper PMO is far more elitest and isolated than anything the LPC ever set up.
They will only hear you if local MPs are inundated with complaints … and then those MPs use every trick in the book to be heard … if they are a back bencher.
“imposing Sharia blasphemy norms on Muslims and non-Muslims worldwide”
I’m free to ignore any and all Christian, Jewish, Buddhist, Hindu, Shinto, Sikh, the list goes on, religious rules, regulations and traditions. Why must I follow Muslim rules?
The Leftists’ Heart of Darkness*.
Link to O’s “any books” here: as Liberal Ad$Cam Jeancula Chretien says, straight from the heart; the progressive/communist/leftist anti-American heart of hate/darkness/fear.
“It doesn’t surprise me that the deranged individual posing as a Pentecostal minister decided it might be a good idea to engage in the favourite past-time of fascists. In a country of 300 million people, you’re bound to find a few with extremist views.
In fact, I’m sure you could find a Reverend Terry Jones in every state, if you chose to look for him.”
Adrian MacNair:
Read more: http://fullcomment.nationalpost.com/2010/09/10/adrian-macnair-the-mosque-versus-the-burning-book/#ixzz0z8oM1Tme
(*H/T Joseph Conrad)
Guess what batb?
I tried that letter writing game last December during COP 15 after the EAU Whistlerblower released all those damning files about Global Warming.
Result, ZERO.
Only got a reply from my own MP and the reply made it clear that my letter wasn’t even read or comprehended.
Harper and his clowns may be better than the opposition but I think we deserve better that Harper and his clowns.
I’m free to ignore any…the list goes on, religious rules, regulations and traditions. Why must I follow Muslim rules?
~Kathryn
SILENCE!
I Keeel You!
~Achmed the Dead Terrorist.
That’s right: if we don’t have freedom of speech at home, BRING THE TROOPS BACK. And not because I don’t want them to die for nothing – I don’t want to pay for THAT TOO.
Some “pastor” decides to pump up attendance at his falling down Sunday meeting shack by burning a Koran. For money obviously.
Some local TV station gets the word, and they decide to pump up their ratings by covering the “controversial actions” of pig-head the “pastor”. For money.
The networks get wind of it and dive in with all four feet to rescue their plummeting ratings, cover it wall to wall, start getting up in the faces of every poobah in Washington asking “what do you think of Pastor Pig-Head’s koran barbecue?
For biiiiig money.
Poohbahs in Washington need money too, they all dutifully mouth the accepted platitudes, and Ka-Ching go the donor checks into the big election black hole.
Well now, a bunch of pig-head’s Muslim counterparts over in Freakistan need to pump up -their- attendance numbers to keep -their- coffers full, so they whip up some righteous hysteria and burn some American flags to get the proles all fired up and donating some shekels to the mosque roofing fund.
Lotsa money for everybody. Mammon is laughing.
F- him and f- the lot of these scraping, grasping, lying b@st@rds from Pastor Pig-Head to General Petraeus to Barry Freakin’ O to the lowliest flag burning pig-head imam in the back-end of Nowhereistan. I am not playing this game.
Amen, Kate.
Isn’t it interesting how the secular media will reflexively condemn the passive display of moral outrage by people following their Christian convictions but keep their lips tightly sealed with each Islamic violent act like honor killings, fatwas and assorted personal jihads?
Gutless secularism – because these faith haters know the Christian faith prohibits retaliatory violence, while on the other hand —-
The problem with all of this analysis (which seems sound to me) is that if we analyze and then don’t act, we are more or less just signalling our surrender. Burning Korans in a way is a sign of surrender too, it’s like saying “we can only do this, burn a few of your books, but we are not going to go any further than this.”
What I’m saying here is rather stark but if these analyses are accurate (and once again, I say that they clearly are, there clearly is something fundamentally unsound about Islam) then it implies that our response (as the rest of the world) should be much more proactive and punitive.
We can’t take a position of saying “hey you people are evil” then do nothing about it other than to chase around the most particularly evil half dozen of them in some mountain range in Asia. Even if we catch them and execute them, nothing will change in that fundamental equation.
Fortunately, I think God has this file open too, and His response may be something far different from what we’ve seen so far and from anything that human governments would normally contemplate in the course of events. But you have to admit, all of this righteous anger and fist shaking and demonstrating accomplishes absolutely nothing, the Muslims are still there and still making their long-term plans to burrow deep into the society until they can increase their numbers and get to the levels of disruption that they crave.
Some Canadian speaks about his ability to cause “maximum disruption” with a few lawsuits, but that is nothing compared to the real maximum disruption that is planned within these mosques and schools — and people who think otherwise are clearly not capable of elementary inductive reasoning. Why would Islam suddenly stop being what it always has been?
So I am taking the rather unusual position that the Koran burning is bad, not because it does too much, but because it does too little. It just vents frustration and provides an excuse for them to do more of what they want to do. It would only be restrictions, ban on further immigration, and consideration of closer scrutiny of activity already underway, that would constitute useful protest. And with any further terrorism, we should employ the trump card of deportations. The logic of this eventually extends to confinement of Islam to a smaller area, then possibly more proactive measures against it, especially if it continued to be hostile to the world around it. I think we could live with a contained Islam where they only ruined each others’ lives, but we don’t want them here ruining our societies, and with their deceptive charming exteriors they find this very easy to get underway — it is all a matter of time, and Islam has all the time in the world — unless Somebody calls off the game.
“Burning Korans in a way is a sign of surrender too, it’s like saying “we can only do this, burn a few of your books, but we are not going to go any further than this.”
Wrong.
Burning Korans IS a step further than we are going right now.
That step provides a rallying point for like minded individuals.
The longest journey begins with a single step.
~Lao-tzu
Additionally, I’d love to see you try and surrender to the Koranimals after actually burning their koran.
Burning a koran is an irreversible step that prevents surrender.
Your logic totally sucks, O’Donnel.
Didn’t you first come on here telling us you had studied for a career in Climate Science?
Oz, Cjunk, I write as a witness. I’m not responsible for the response, but I can make my opinions known, so that our government can never say, “I didn’t know.”
That’s all. It’s lighting a candle in the dark instead of cursing it, and PM Harper and Peter MacKay will have to stand before God and answer for their response to the atrocious agenda of the Muslims.
batb: I guess that as an agnostic I believe that the only justice one gets, is in this life. But your point is well taken … failing to exercise our rights to express displeasure is to roll over.
I take your point too, batb.
I’ve been following politics too closley for too long and am too invested to purposely frustrate myself by walking down a known deadend alley.
It’s frustrating enough to think of how hard and long I worked for the Reform Party and now we have PC retreads sitting in parliament forming the government.
There is great deal of anger on the net and throughout Conservative blogs globally, the citizens of the west feel betrayed by our leaders as we should. When the Minister of National Defense snivels something akin to “You’ll make our enemies angry and they’ll retailiate” one can only assume we are in Afghanistan to win the hearts and minds of the savages called the Taliban best not forking offend them aye Mackay? If we fought WW11 like we are fightening the Taliban we’d be issuing public apologies to Nazis because we offended them.
Don’t bother writing to the Con MPs, it’s clear they are progressive leftwingers hell bent on appeasing Islamic Supremacists globally.
I hope our troops are never deployed to another Islamic hell hole, peacekeeping or otherwise. We saved Muslims in the Balkans and the reward is death threats from Islamic nutjobs in Asia and the ME.
Muslims are at war with western civilization.
O’s denial is a desert in Saudi Arabia.
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“‘We are not at war” with the Muslim faith: Obama”
>>> On the other front, O’s henchman/commissar Pelosi, has declared war on Canada.
“US Speaker Nancy Pelosi was heard saying she doesn’t like any fossil fuels, regardless of where they’re from or whose they are.”
(googlenews)
Anyone remember “Piss Christ”?
Not only did it win an art award, it was also partly funded through NEA money (i.e., the US taxpayer).
Are there any brave young “radical anti-establishment artists” out there willing to dunk a Quran in their own urine and call it art?
(crickets)
Didn’t think so.
“US taxpayer).
Are there any brave young “radical anti-establishment artists” out there willing to dunk a Quran in their own urine and call it art?
(crickets)
Didn’t think so.
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No. But there is one OLD guy who will not only put it in urine,I will add my own feces,and do in the so-called cop who comes to protect the poor offended Muzzie, and with pleasure.
ET: You couldn’t have been more correct. Islam is NOT a religion.
There’s an excellent piece by Bill Warner at American Thinker called “The Political Violence of the Bible and the Koran”.
The piece contains myriad comparative statistics.
Among the most interesting is the fact that in the first 13 years at Mecca Mohammed recruited a grand total of 150 Mohammedans. In the next 10 years in Medina, up to this death, 100,000 Mohammedans.
On the graph he labels these periods: Religion – Mecca, Politics-Jihad-Medina.
On the matter of political violence (violence against “the other”) the Islamic trilogy contains 328,000 words, the Hebrew Bible, 34,000, the New Testament 0. But the violence is qualitatively different too. The biblical is of a time and place, Mohammedanism is for all time!
Finally, the Koran is only 16% of the Islamic texts. Fully 84% is in the Sunna (the Hadith and Sira). SO, 84% of Islam is about Mohammed, not Allah.
In conclusion, it’s clearer than ever to me, that there’s no such thing as a “moderate Muslim”. You’re either one, or you’re not. Devout or lapsed. A true Mohammedan, or a cultural Mohammedan of Identiy.
You canot be a Mohammedan without emulating Mohammed. If you openly reject violent jihad you’re a dead faux-Mohammedan.
OT
I just had a lengthy discussion with a Muslim friend about the book burning.
To sum-up the discussion, we both agree that the book burning is a crass and inconsiderate thing to do; but, where we disagree is that I believe that any “outrage” from the Muslim world is disingenuous considering the entire western world has unanimously condemned the act( with my friend agreed). Ali (my friend) believes that because of the larger context of history, the Muslim world is correct to have collective outrage because of past (perceived) wrongs.
Also, he believes that there should be a mechanism to prevent such a man from saying/doing such a thing. Obviously we disagree on the last point.
Also, he believes that there should be a mechanism to prevent such a man from saying/doing such a thing.
Allah gives to the “believers”
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=WxzvLpAbxTc&feature=player_embedded#!