There has been an uproar amongst some in Canada, instigated and fuelled by the Globe and Mail, about abuse and torture of detainees handed over to Afghan authorities by the Candian Forces. Our putative complicity in the commission of war crimes has effectively been raised by opposition politicians, more here.
But the Afghans are poor and not a rising global power. Now Indian police and security forces are commonly known to abuse, torture and even murder prisoners. See the second paragraph of the 2009 human rights report on India by the US State Department (and remember this, of which much has been made, for, er, context: ‘”Canadian officials in the field were not alone in warning Ottawa of the substantial risk of torture in Afghan prisons,” Colvin added, citing reports by the U.S. State Department…’).
Canadian immigration officials stationed in India have taken such reports into account in preventing certain Indian officials from coming to Canada. So what does our government do? It repudiates its own officials and apologizes to the Indians–with the self-righteous Globeites cheering on. Including Graeme Smith, co-author of the story below and erstwhile scourge of horrors in Afghanistan. Go flipping figure the paper’s hypocrisy. The story:
Indian visa uproar prompts Canada to launch immigration-policy review
Kenney apologizes, saying Canadian officials should never have disparaged India’s institutions
Update thought: When is Mr Smith going to interview some Indians about how they were treated as prisoners (see second link at start of post)?
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mark… you’re missing the point.
you have to wait until the liberals can try tying in evil chessmaster stephen harper to indian officials… then it will be a bad thing.
ask john mccallum.
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Like I said before. North America has become the Worlds rug to walk. All thanks to Obama’s bows & our multicultural suicidal stupidity.
Academia is killing this Country by its hate for anything Conservative. These Marxist Trojan horses will one day have to be stopped.
This fake scandal drummed up by the liberals against our forces is a shame & embarrassment to any Canadian who knows anything about our heritage. Its a slur & Lie for political gain. As for India. When they build a new train with tracks, not continue to use 19th century British ones. I may start to take them seriously. That & the astounding rate of Women burnt to death in “House” fires.
JMO
India uses Canada like a global flop house.
I’ve been told in no uncertain terms by Hindu Indian’s that “Everyone knows a Canadian passport is available to anyone with $10,000.00. ANYONE”.
I have personally seen and talked to a couple of Indians in India that hold Canadian passports, who have never been to Canada and aren’t even planning to come to Canada until retirement. They hold the passports because they can, and keep them as a bug out plan should they ever need it.
Government leaders being cowed into political correctness, and religious leaders too…last week a Quebec Archbishop issued a public apology for calling abortion “a moral murder”.
So what was he supposed to call it — “a moral faux pas”?
If our political and religious leaders are caving to political correctness, when there has never been such widespread public support for them to stand up, methinks we’re doomed.
“Political Corrections” has no basis in law and we should stop pretending that it does. Perhaps it’s time for Parliament to explicitly pass legislation outlawing the enforcement of an alternative “Political Corrections System”.
In my lifetime, the only place “Political Corrections” was legal was in China under Mao Zedung, where it had its inception. But even the Communist Chinese had the good sense to abolish the worst excesses of Mao over 30 years ago. Back then, citizens who were guilty of politically incorrect behaviour were paraded down the streets lined with jeering mobs who stoned them and beat them with sticks. The Chinese were forced to publicly confess their political “sins” before the people, then they were carted off to kangaroo courts where they were sentenced.
The only difference between Maoist China and the situation today in the West, is we confess our political sins before the TV cameras instead, but we face the same public jeering and proverbial “stoning”. And we are equally face some sort of arbitrary sentence with no basis in law. The process is slightly different but the methods are almost identical. It is only technologically more sophisticated than backward China under Mao during the cultural revolution.
ricardo
Revnant Dream nails it with the comment “These Marxist Trojan horses will one day have to be stopped”. The infiltration by Marxists of academia and the media has been going on for many decades. The Soviet Bloc and the local fellow travelers orchestrated this corruption. Think back to the Regina 26 press release a few months ago and the Carleton and York University.
The irony of it is that the former Soviet Bloc countries have largely purged these ideologues and the remainder have little credibility with most of the population, which snickers at their writings.
Everybody realizes that the Globe and Mail and most of its writers are the propaganda arm of the Liberals.
I have personally seen and talked to a couple of Indians in India that hold Canadian passports, who have never been to Canada and aren’t even planning to come to Canada until retirement. They hold the passports because they can, and keep them as a bug out plan should they ever need it.
~Knight 99
They probably live in the zone of India that Pakistan has targeted for their first nuclear strike priority.
There are many more immigrants with Canadian passports than their are immigrants who have become Canadians.
Lebanon is chock-a-block full again of ungratefuls who will expect to be rescued, once again, the next time the Hisbollah religion of peace brigades go and do their terrorist jihadi thingy. I’d suggest they learn how to swim – its not that far to Crete is it?
We have the well know passport sellers and holders of convenience of Canadian passports, the gruesome Khadr clan in toranna (and of course Gitmo, may he rest in peace there for a very long, long, long time) OK forever.
And the list goes on and on.
So sorry folks but I don’t see all that much similarity between the Afghan and the Indian cases.
In the Afghan case the Liberals and the Globe are accusing Canada of being party to war crimes because Canadians are alleged to have handed prisoners over to Afghan officials that the Canadians knew or ought to have known were going to torture them. Key element – alleged Canadian action with alleged knowledge of consequences.
In the Indian case, Canadians in India are denying officials (it seems like all who have been employed in those professions) entry to Canada because of acts alleged to have been committed by some Indian officials in like positions. Key element – Indian official acts without Canadian assistance.
But you might say that in both cases the country’s officials are torturing people and while we have apologised to India we have not apologised to Afghanistan. True, but we have not to my knowledge instituted a policy of denying Afghan officials entry into Canada. If we have, then an apology is due.
Now I don’t for one second belive that we did anything wrong in Afghanistan, and I loathe what the Liberals and the Globe are getting on about, while at the same time ignoring any exculpatory testimony. But I don’t see that as an excuse for sloppy thinking.
A friend of mine, ethnically an Indian and born and
raised in India, says simply, “you don’t let the [Indian] police
get their hands on you because they’ll beat the
c*** out of you”. He is, I might add, on good
terms with the police chief of his home town.
The India and Afghanistan torture smears have a common point of origin: Canadian diplomats and their MSM enablers. The visa officers stationed in India or their superiors have apparently taken it upon themselves to refuse visas en mass to applicants who have or have held police or internal security positions where there is no evidence of individual wrongdoing available to evaluate whatsoever. They have even had the audacity to include these nonreasons in letters of refusal which have hit the Indian media like a bomb.
The other shoe is that these visa officers are totally reliant on Indian security and intelligence services and police departments to provide them with background vetting of visa applicants wanting to travel to Canada. Plus there is the small matter of knowing that this slur will not be forgotten by the Indian government and will be repaid in kind at a time when Canada’s need for assistance is great.
The visa officers stationed in India or their superiors have apparently taken it upon themselves to refuse visas en mass to applicants who have or have held police or internal security positions where there is no evidence of individual wrongdoing available to evaluate whatsoever.
And why not?
I think it’s a good beginning.
Maybe Muslims are next, Insha Allah, eh.
Let’s not be a party to harming some Muslim’s deen by giving them access to Dar al-Harb.
It sucks largely but even with a majority, we couldn’t make the changes necessary to avert “the great hideousness”. Too many people in Canada are convinced that in order to make an omelet the “Civilized Way” is to not break any eggs.
Even Mr. Harper bringing attention to Canadians of Convenience during the Lebanon BS brought the house down on him. Strange that Canada has been populated by Wimps and Quislings. Didn’t use to was!!
And at the Vancouver Province, the oh so funny cartoonist and self-styled wit, Dan Murphy, has written a column based on the fact that “God is Gay”. Dan identifies God as the “Deity” and the “Almighty”, but not the name used by Muslims to identify the God of Abraham and Jacob and David
and of all Christians whom they call “Allah” Would that be out of prudence or prejudice or just plain old “cowardice”?
Pat
Not all of Canada and I would suggest not even a majority of Canadians.
Just a guess but complacency and ignorance seem to have infected a considerable demographic, something that could change in one event.
Especially if that event occurred in Trawna during crotchfest as opposed to the G-8/G-20.
Just sayin.
Syncro
larben
Cultural sensitivity? A natural affinity betwixt Islamofascists and the GBLT and of course the Two spirited?
Naw. Gutlessness.
Syncro
Right you are Syncro, and I let him know that in an email; he denies it saying it’s all about the persecution of a lesbian teacher by Little Flower Academy, a Catholic girl’s school who let her go when she asked for time off because her lesbian lover was with child. Don’t ask.
I think a Catholic Lifestyle, means using a turkey baster to baste turkeys.
Stop allowing foreign countries from using Canada as their rug. These dirty Hindoos should stop drinking cow piss before I take them seriously. And..their food smells like s**t.
Troll alert.
ricardo
Nothing I read of Cardinal Ouellete sounded like an apology for speaking the truth. There are plenty of examples of PC dullness in Canada (about 40+ million)but he isn’t a good one.
Be curious if the Globe reponds to these contradictions.
If the Canadian military hadn’t handed detainees over to the Afghans the Clown Broadcsting Corporation would have been outraged for some reason or another.
If the Canadian military hadn’t handed detainees over to the Afghans the Clown Broadcsting Corporation would have been outraged for some reason or another.
I don’t understand why the visa officer denied this gentleman a visa on the grounds of his participation in a government security agency when he could have denied it on any number of grounds.
Of course, if we are going to play this game of banning people who work in security agencies that torture people, we have to apply it universally. Why would it apply only to India?
That, in turn, opens a Pandora’s box. What next – stop ex-US military people from visiting Canada? And I suppose we could now stop anybody associate with the Communist Party of China from coming in too. Not that I mind.
As for the apology , I am not surprised it came. Harper made a well-publicized trip to India relatively recently. The aim was to enhance ties. The Indians are touchy about criticisms by foreigners. They were bound to make this a big deal. And they did.
Problem is – and its no secret either – that Canada wants to diversify its markets. We don’t want to be over reliant on the US. India is a major potential market. And as usual, we need access to their market more than they need Canadian products. Harpers entire trip, which was followed by McGuinty, and in the past month, Flaherty, was aimed at getting preferential trade terms for Canada.
Going and insulting a security agency in the country you want trade concessions from is a bad idea. Its realpolitik, not principles, that count.
Knight 99,
“I’ve been told in no uncertain terms by Hindu Indian’s that “Everyone knows a Canadian passport is available to anyone with $10,000.00. ANYONE”.”
Funny. I heard the same thing in Florida recently. Not from an Indian, though.
“I have personally seen and talked to a couple of Indians in India that hold Canadian passports, who have never been to Canada and aren’t even planning to come to Canada until retirement. They hold the passports because they can”
They keep it because it opens doors for them. Indian passport holders require visas for virtually every country. In fact, if I’m not mistaken, they require transit visas to pass through certain countries.
Its a strange game of antagonistic reciprocity. Most major Indian diplomatic missions are funded by visa fees. Citizens of almost every country in the world require visas to visit India. The other countries have reciprocated, hence Indians needing visas to travel.
In any case, if they are Canadian citizens, theres not much you can do about it. If they think they have more opportunities in (wherever they live), then why should we treat them any differently than a Canadian born and educated in Canada who has decided to live and work abroad? This notion that citizens of a country should be required to live and work only in their country is a bit passe.
Besides, they are being taxed by Canada on their global income. If they come back to retire and haven’t paid their taxes, then they’ll either have to pay up or go to prison. Its all quite straight forward.
I also suspect that Indians arent the only ones treating Canada as a global flop house. Canadians of convenience come in all shades and sizes.
Fred,
If I am not mistaken, the Government of Canada and, by extension, Canadian taxpayers, DO NOT pay for the evacuation of Canadian citizens abroad.
All Canadian citizes who are evacuated are required to pay the cost – or return the full amount- themselves. If they don’t the Government can seize their assets in Canada. Furthermore, the government can also refuse to renew their passports, which typically expire within 5 years.
Therefore, I really have no gripes with Canadians living abroad. As long as they pay their “Non-resident Canadian” taxes and cough up the money after they have been evacuated, what do I care?
Granted, we look like pansies when compared to the Americans, but on the other hand, we Canadians have never given a damn about each other or our reputation. The Yanks will use everything in their power to protect every single American life, regardless of how long the American citizen has lived in America. We sit here and wonder why any Canadian would leave Canada in the first place. They just give a damn about their citizens more. We don’t really care.
It’s like the LIBRANOS who are entreanched in the swivellel service and the CBC. Anything to jam up the gears.
I’m confused,also. Is this a ‘reverse onus’ situation. Does this not take away our sovereignty,as in , we have to take everyone ,and then prove that they may not be suitable, later in the process? “Innocent until proven guilty” may be a fine legal concept but I don’t think it should be applied to our immigration boundaries.
Posted by: imconfused>
Agreed.
I have also heard the same statement by other nationalities.
I live but haven’t worked in Canada for almost 15 years. I do however pay 100% Canadian tax working abroad.
I believe what I was stating earlier was not Canadians of any strip working in their native countries, but foreigners that are not native born Canadians holding Canadian passports. Not unlike the Lebanese evacuees whose escape from Israeli bombs we funded a few years ago. These people pay not a dime into our system but expect all of the services.
With many of the Indian’s in Canada it’s all about cheap living in India, and complicated dual citizen taxation (for their benefit) then retirement with full health benefits later in life in Canada. This includes all of their extended families especially elderly grandparents.
This is an unsustainable Liberal “care-giving” debacle that will eventually bankrupt all of Canada’s social services.