Let’s take this one step at a time.
The CBC’s pollster of record is major Liberal donor. He plots out strategies to beat the Conservatives. And he gives that strategic advice to the Liberals in private — a fact that we only learn about because he blabbed about it to Martin.
Yet Graves appears on the CBC not as a “Liberal pollster” or “Liberal strategist” or “Liberal donor” or “Liberal”, but as the CBC’s trustworthy, neutral, reliable, independent analyst, who cares only about enlightening viewers.
What a scandal.
Could you imagine if the CBC were to hire a Tory strategist as their chief Parliamentary correspondent — while secretly allowing him to continue to work for the Conservatives, and donate thousands upon thousands of dollars to them?
It’s too absurd to even ask the question.
More at Bourque.
As I said on my blog this morning, I’d welcome a “war” such as this. Timid Canadians cling to “unity” (except when they are clinging to “diversity”).
Why NOT pit Canadians against each other, if only to finally clear the air about our legitimate differences?
And has he ever shown his raw data? And the lists of those “chosen” to be polled? And the fudge factors used?
All in the name of influencing public intentions not deciphering public intentions.
Canadian media polls – far better at the game than Pravda ever was or is.
Amen to that Kathy!
Charles Adler is addressing this right now on Toronto AM 640.
But Mr. Graves views himself as a moderate! For every dollar Graves gave the Liberals, they gave $6,000 to his company.
The pay is pretty good for a Moderate, eh!
Yes, I do believe Frank is digging his own Graves…!
It’s not about what is good for Canada, its about getting the LIEberals back at the controls and most importantly Her Majesty’s plundered treasury!!
Divide and conquer…hmm he must keep Sun Tzu’s: The Art of War on his nighttable for bedtime reading and refresher.
I’ve always kept another quote handy:
“War is the continuation of politics by other means.”
Karl Von Clausewitz
But Frank forgot that “strength of character does not consist solely in having powerful feelings, but in maintaining one’s balance in spite of them. Even with the violence of emotion, judgment and principle must still function like a ship’s compass, which records the slightest variations however rough the sea.”
Graves unfortunately is without compass as his judgement and principle are lacking. Frank can wail and shriek with his hair on fire, but tossing out canards like “Conservatives are haven for bigots” probably won’t move the public.
Lets see 145 Conservative seats in the House of Commons it would appear that “Liberal bigotry” is a catchy phenom…
Oh maybe we can say something really nasty like the Liberals are a “haven for Stalinist statists”.
Is Frank “Gravely” insulted that the party of kleptocrats has been sidelined?
The Liberals are plainly discomfitted that they no longer have control of Her Majesty’s Government…and there is a reason for this, they have become entranced with their own hubris as the “Natural Governing Party”.
Go back and find some saleable policies that actually make some sense, instead of harking back to the old days when they could shovel money around like Croesus.
That if the tresor of Cresus
And al the gold Octovien,
Forth with the richesse Yndien
Of Perles and of riche stones,
Were al togedre myn at ones…
Cheers
Hans-Christian Georg Rupprecht, Commander in Chief
1st Saint Nicolaas Army
Army Group “True North”
I know where i’d start!
CAN (fire) the CBC.
I’m sick of my tax dollars being sent down this sewer hole called the cbc.
It’s nothing more than an advertiseing agency for the liebral party of canada!
Please Mr. Harper…pull the plug….if not for your sake…then do it for mine!
EKOS Website does not mention anything about their accuracy in polling as measured over time and election results. US Polling companies clearly state their past performance especially around elections…
A simple accuracy review would solve this issue and remove any doubt about alleged Bias. They do not have enough data on the website to do this or I would do it myself.
Simple read of the ekospolitics.ca website I would say that the narrative is marginally Liberal in tone..examples
On Conservative Lead Widening
“The Conservatives have the support of barely a third of Canadians, and they owe their first-place status in part to the continued weakness of the Liberal Party.”
On Guergis Affair Poll Tightening
“The problems are expressed in a clear sense that the government is heading in the wrong direction. This view is particularly pronounced outside of the 86% of Conservative supporters who think the government is headed in the right direction. The directional numbers are particularly harsh in Quebec where less than one in four voters think the government is headed in the right direction.”
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So Conservatives did not earn their support when gaining ground and everyone else in the country thinks they are going in the wrong direction when losing some.
Visit their website and you decide if they have a Bias.
Taxpayers have been paying CBC to shill for the Liberals for decades. Hence the call to privatize CBC and let it earn its keep in the market.
Also of note is the complete retraction of the comments in question.
http://www.ekospolitics.com/index.php/2010/04/statement-from-frank-graves-april-23-2010/
“And has he ever shown his raw data? And the lists of those “chosen” to be polled? And the fudge factors used? ”
Of course not . . he’s channeling the Climate Scientology world of Mikey Mann the Phil Jones lead CRU Team.
So will other media outlets report this news story or follow the journalistic omerta and never report anything nasty about your own gang of crooks.
Where’s Bob Fife when you need him ?
Maybe locking in a zero down mortgage?
This is new? What about all those years of blowhole ‘impartial’ Peter Donolo and his polling pronouncements on CPAC? Where did he finally end up anyway?
Don’t know what’s funnier – Graves, caught like an egg-suckin’ skunk in a henhouse, or the my-voice-is-squeaky-because-my-panties-are-too-tight CBC twerp trying to ensure us that CBC is fair and un-biased.
“What a professional meltdown.
But again, who cares about Graves? It’s the CBC’s reputation that is being murdered — and Michael Ignatieff’s judgement that is now under scrutiny.”
Sorry,Ezra.The Commie Broacasting Company has NO reputation to murder,and Iggy has zero judgement.As to the rest…
FIRE and JAIL THEM ALL
(oh,and I agree,Kathy.My powders dry)
I believe Liberals project their own inadequacies on to opponents…I really do.
Geeez, taxpayer funded CBC pimping Liberal party on one hand, meanwhile GlobeMedia pimping Liberals with CTV Prime Time talking head on the other channel.
Does there exist in Canadian MSM a trustworthy, unbiased news disseminator which is NOT an incestuous Liberal Party relationship?
MR SHAW, is Global TV also in the aforementioned pigsty, boar’s nest of Canadian leftist MSM?
Canadian Press? Hardly!
CPAC? Hardly!
Who can one trust?
Just wondering.
WE need Conrad Black and Rupert Murdoch to colaborate
on a FOX TV equivalent in Canada.
Well at the very least SDA is getting the message of Canadian MSM corruption out all across this land and to the whole world!
You know it wasn’t long ago the firearms community was outraged that the RCMP had released the entire data-base to an outside polling firm so they could do a satisfaction survey.
We as owners were promised that this information would never leave the hands of the Canadian Firearms Center.
So basically a private firm (EKOS) was provided all the personal information ofevery ‘registered’ owner in Canada.
Or to put it another way, to the Liberal Party. I don’t know about you, but thats kinda scarey.
This is related. I am awaiting a reply from the ombudsman for CBC. I asked why is it that former Liberal communication directors are giving opinions as independent observers. CBC frequently has John Duffy,Susan Smith,and Scott Reid on their “Power and Politics” program. All former Liberal party mouthpieces.Also, Don Drummond their often wrong financial expert spent years massaging Paul Martin’s wallet area. I sent the letter off April 1st,they must be very busy.
It won’t be much of a cultural battle, the fanatical left holed up in their bath houses and swingers clubs whilst the Islamists and other non-grateful groups protesting and waving the flags of terrorists in Tarrana. CBC hasn’t got a shred of integrity left, at the very least the public is entitled to a public inguiry or an investigation into CBC’s staff and management. How deeps has the liberal party infested an institution funded by our taxdollars?
Why the surprise and outrage?
We have been here before. Liberal friendly companies over-billing on the understanding that some of the money will be channeled back to the party.
Free the West!
Or as somebody once said…
Until this moment
I have been forced
to listen while media
and politicians alike
have told me
“what Canadians think”.
In all that time they
never once asked.
This is just the voice
of an ordinary Canadian
yelling back at the radio –
“You don’t speak for me.”
I asked why is it that former Liberal communication directors are giving opinions as independent observers.
====================
Actually it is not that complicated at all. CBC turns former Liberal communications directors into “independant observers”, and the Liberal party turns their CBC friends into Governor Generals. And so the world goes ’round.
What is it with the LPC and former provincial NDP premiers and people who ran polling companies anyways?
Cowardly MSM will not use Liberal in this headline.
Re-do headline:
“Online death threat aims at [Liberal] MP”.
PET Cemetery/MSM’s multiculturalism’s death pangs.
PET/MSM’s multicult ends with a bimper and a whang from their own Liberal.
The left-liberals’ “icon”, aka JFK, was shot dead by one of the left’s own, a communist assassin.
…-
“Online death threat aims at MP
‘Shoot him,’ post urges on Facebook page that calls Ujjal Dosanjh a Sikh traitor”
http://www.vancouversun.com/life/Online+death+threat+aims/2941562/story.html
http://www.bluelikeyou.com/2010/04/23/frank-graves-liberal-chief-of-staff-in-waiting/#comment-80396
Evan Solomon was certainly in Graves’ corner, wasn’t he?
CBCpravda and CTVtass , ALL LIBERAL, ALL THE TIME
Orlin from Marquette:
“But Mr. Graves views himself as a moderate!”
But, Graves is a moderate Liberal; he says so. MSM says so.
Where is that MSM word, “moderate”, often used by MSM?
Here >>> Allah/Moh is a moderate Muslim, MSM says.
If one in 4 voters in Quebec think the country is going in the wrong direction, I take that to mean 3 voters out of four think the country is going in the right direction.
Im sure Evan Soloman’s name on the liberal contribution list along with Graves and Peter Mansbridge.
FIRE. THEM. ALL.
Evan is so uncomfortable Im not sure he hasnt just shat himself.
The Kanadian leftard ‘amalgalm’ party (liberal, NDP, Bloc, Greens, CBC, Star, Globe, EKOS, etc.) are all about trying to create the perception that the minority are the majority and that the majority are bad, racist, homophobic, mysoginistic, francophobic, religious etc.; labels used as weapons to try to destroy contra opinions and to intimidate Canadians into not speaking up or speaking their minds.
That my friends, is much more than media bias. It’s truly contempt for the Canadian people.
At 6:50 or so Graves says the Conservatives don’t have the same attachment to their convictions, as the Lieberals.
Well now.
If he means attachment, does he mean attachment to the public purse….doing good deeds (in their minds),for no good reason?
Mindless spending of other peoples money?
Then I’d say yes, he has a real point.
‘Power and Politics’ starts in ten minutes. Will they defend the accusations,or will they pretend that it never happened ? My money is on the latter and Tory will never be seen again on the CBC. FIRE.THEM.ALL.
Has someone or can someone commission a legitimate poll to see how many Canadians want to eliminate the CBC?
How much would such a poll cost?
Kady O’malley has an apology from Graves up on her blog at CBC. Graves admits using ‘unfortunate’ words,and praises the high standards of journalism at the CBC.—http://www.cbc.ca/politics/insidepolitics/2010/04/an-apology—-and-an-explanation—-from-ekos-president-frank-graves.html
CBC is not ignoring the story. Ezra will be on the show.
this is exactly what Obama and his thugs are doing to the teapartiers – painting them as racists, homophobes, etc.
All it’s doing is making us angrier at the Liberal Party.
Even Graves’ hair is a lie. One of the worst rugs on TV today.
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“Graves went on to say that polling data shows the
Conservative Party ‘does seem to provide a
haven‘ for people with ‘xenophobic or
homophobic views’.”
Hang on a sec… did Frank Graves just infer that
Conservatives are the equivalent of… the Nazi
Party?
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I’ve done a post about this.
Recommended reading.
I give Graves better than he gave us.
EKOS Pollster Graves Destroys Own Credibility, Tarnishes Company’s Image
http://thecanadiansentinel.blogspot.com/2010/04/ekos-pollster-graves-destroys-own.html
Excerpt:
a “moderate” Liberal.. A Liberal with a “reputation”, now I understand.
Canadian Sentinel… even more so, it is the CBC’s “reputation” that is being savaged here. I wouldn’t expect anything from Frank Graves / EKOS … we know where their dinner’s hanging,
but we all pay for the CBC, and that is all the difference.
Kudos to Kate & Ezra.
I posted this 18 hours ago at Stephen Taylor’s blog:
I just watched the video of the Graves/Teneycke interview on Power and Politics with Evan Soloman. ‘Very revealing.
Soloman is a real disappointment. He’s an inveterate CBC/l/Liberal cheerleader and a staunch defender of Frank Graves and Ekos, despite his disclaimer at the end of the interview about all of the other pollsters that CBC consults and his protestations that the CBC-sponsored polls are unbiased. Tell me another one, Evan. Your nose just grew an inch or two.
http://www.sortofpolitical.com/2010/04/kory-ten… (Track to 44:18)
If ANY Conservative pollster (and, EXCUSE ME? Frank Graves isn’t a Liberal supporter having donated over $11,000 to the LPC and $500 to the CPC in the past few years?) had suggested the incendiary opposites Graves has, the CBC, Evan Soloman, the PPG, etc. would be outraged.
Evan Soloman wasn’t outraged.
He backed Graves up and suggested that most pollsters say “controversial” things. Graves’ words, “cosmopolitanism versus parochialism, secularism versus moralism, Obama versus Palin, tolerance versus racism and homophobia, democracy versus autocracy,” implying, as Kory Teneycke so succinctly pointed out, that Conservatives are parochial, moralistic, Palin-supporters (hey, aren’t we in Canada?), racist, homophobic, and autocratic are more than controversial. They are over the top.
As for Graves’ suggestion that the Liberal$ should “invoke a culture war”: appalling, disgusting, divisive.
I just witnessed a three-way liberal pile on vs. Ezra Levant re this issue on P & P just a short time ago….
Jamie McMaster: ” … my-voice-is-squeaky-because-my-panties-are-too-tight CBC twerp trying to ensure us that CBC is fair and un-biased.” LOL!
That CBC tool is Evan Soloman, host of [Liberal, pleeze] Power and [Liberal] Politics.
I used to think he had journalistic credibility. Not any more.
via wallyj: “Graves admits using ‘unfortunate’ words,and praises the high standards of journalism at the CBC.”
BARF. GAG.
Hey, Frank! Those “high standards of journalism at the CBC” (umm, uh, cough, cough) bring a lot of buck$ your way, probably more than my hubby and I make in a year.
You’re a sleaze bag, Mr. Graves, and, seemingly, apparently, a liar.
At least intelligent people know the Liberal abhorrent and unethical endeavours to divide the country will only backfire and solidify the regional stances.
I for one am big on stopping the stealth Liberalization of the west that has been in full swing for the last decade. Come on Libs, get a good regional war going so we can slam the door out west permanently on you once and for all!!!!
“did Frank Graves just infer that
Conservatives are the equivalent of… the Nazi
Party?”
No neo, he implied the Conservatives are the equivalent of the Nazi Party.
With people like Graves and Solomon entrenched in the Eastern media,there isn’t much hope for fairness in either the news or the polls.
Reason # 155 why Western Canada should separate: we wouldn’t have to listen to the likes of Graves and Solomon anymore.
Now I know why the CBC site will not post conservative comments on a story until the liberal view has first been presented to give their side time to accumulate those agreed votes. Conservative comments appear at the tail end, if at all. To give the appearance that the liberal view is indeed the “popular” one.
As underhanded and obvious, this conflict of interest is, I’m not surprised, but will take the advice given me to heart by Louise on this site and “pray for an astroid” – someone else must have been praying already, given the release of this information.
Here is the CBC spin:
Headline: “Conservatives keep lead in EKOS poll”
http://www.cbc.ca/politics/story/2010/04/21/ekos-poll-100422.html
This is interesting. I had a call from EKOS 2 evenings ago. They asked questions on political preferences and in addition which I thought strange, they asked whether or not I thought Obama was doing a good job. A strange question as the rest of the focus was on Canadian politics.
Now I am listening to this interview and that sounds like a wedge issue Graves was trying to create.
Hi it’s far worse than that. Why do you think the CBC is so pro Kyoto and AGW Propaganda. Could it be because they sit on David Suzuki’s Board of Directors. Wonder why you have to watch endless reruns of “The Nature of Things”. Just another way for the CBC to shovel Tax dollars to Suzuki. The CBC is corrupt. Cut and paste. http://www.davidsuzuki.org/about/board/
I find it telling that Graves suggests that in order for the Liberals to win, the Liberals must play on peoples emotions not rational thought.
LOL!!!If you vote Liberal in the next election it is only because you are irrational.