Update: SDA got results. “This survey is currently closed. Please contact the author of this survey for further assistance.”
From the comments;
Your attempt at sabotaging this survey are ironic. But I not even sure if you understand the meaning of the word.
To prove there is no hate crime you had to a) sabotage a survey that was asking the question b) then gloat on here and falsely praise your work as noble and noteworthy.
Pathetic.
Delete my post, and prove my point.
Dont delete it? Good let everyone read how ridiculous your attempts are.
Heh – “All your burka are belong to us.”
(Original post continues below)
Ladies and gentlemen, don your nijabs…
Sample Questions:
I trust you can take it from here.
Hummm….This survey is currently closed. Please contact the author of this survey for further assistance.
First time I’ve ever seen a survey closed! Something must have gone wrong. Yep, that’s the ticket, something went wrong.
well Alan, in the recent bombing of the Russian Metro system, there were those female muslim body parts and heads strewn about after the explosions, but then, I’m only going back a couple of weeks.
It might be worth while doing some research of your own, that might go beyond your misconceptions that were obviously developed in social circles that were not inclusive of Muslim’s. [sic]
Yes, because those of us who aren’t doing surveys – aka real Canadians – couldn’t possibly have an experience-based perspective on the issue.
What’s the opposite of diversity? University!
“When was the last time anyone heard of a Muslim woman bombing anything?”
Really? REALLY?!?!
I don’t have enough time to provide the innumerable documented cases, but i believe there was a pretty big example in Russia recently, no?
Whoops, now you’ve done it!!!
Looks like our Alan has concluded that a hate crime was committed by participating in the survey!!
You’re all going to hell but only after the OHRC gets finished with you.
Good heavens, alan, that’s quite the hate rant. Do you realize that you are refusing to accept valid criticism of your poorly designed survey – and that this shows that you are uninterested in the TRUTH. You only have an agenda-of-hate.
Kindly prove that we want to silence..what?
What we are pointing out to you is that your survey was NOT a legitimate expression of anyone, Muslim or not. It was a terrible survey! Your questions were so poorly thought out and constructed that the answers had to be invalid!
You state that prior to our interference, you had 100% evidence of ‘hate crimes in London’. Uh oh. That already shows a bias; that already shows that your survey was skewed and badly designed.
And how many respondents did you already have? Ten? Is that your 100%?
Was your sample population random?
How did you get your sample population?
Was it skewed right from the start? Was it friends and acquaintances? People in the group?
How did you screen for fraudulent answers?
How did you provide objective evidence to support the subjective feelings of your respondents? Did you do this? Or is your survey only about ‘what I feel’. Is there any action on your part to provide a basis for TRUTH in your research or is it confined to ‘subjective feelings’.
Remember, you still haven’t defined ‘hate crime’ with any validity. Again, check out the criminal code – something I’d bet you haven’t done.
How is criticism of a badly done survey an act of hate?
And your dictionary definition of ‘hate’ is useless because it relies on a SUBJECTIVE FEELING – and your terrible survey didn’t ask any OBJECTIVE questions to PROVE that the feeling was actually connected to ‘hate’ and wasn’t due to some other cause!
You cannot set up questions that rely ONLY on subjective feelings for these might be evidence of ‘feeling insulted’ but such is not evidence that the action was due to the respondent’s being Muslim. DO YOU UNDERSTAND?
YOUR SURVEY failed to make this connection! You didn’t ask the correct questions!
By the way, I’d suggest sending your survey to Salim Mansur; he’s in the political science dept; I’d bet he’d have a lot to say about your questions!
“You people are a collection of breathing hate crimes. All you can really do is speak amongst your echo chamber of hate.”
Alan, as a member of a designated group, I take extreme umbrage with what you said. Your comments make me feel uncomfortable and, in truth, somewhat
marginalized.
I expect an apology-forthwith. I am serious.
Alan stupidly asks: When was the last time anyone heard of a Muslim woman bombing anything?
2010.04.09 – Ingushetia – Ekazhevo – A female suicide bomber walks up to a group of local cops and detonates, killing at least one of them
2010.03.29 – Russia – Moscow – Female suicide bombers massacre about forty subway commuters and leave another one-hundred in agony.
Lots more at The Religion of Peace
Hope that hurts your widdle feewings.
By the way, Alan, you’ve committed a hate crime against us. Please supply your full name and address so that we can have Babs Hall and the Ontario Human Right Commission hunt you down while we sip on margaritas.
“Thirty-nine people were killed and 63 injured on Monday after two female suicide bombers blew themselves up on two Moscow metro trains during rush hour.”
http://www.sundayszaman.com/sunday/detaylar.do?load=detay&link=206341
Kate wrote “Ladies and gentlemen, don your nijabs…”
Ok, I have mine on now.
Oooo. Now I feel so… pretty.
I hope this does not count as cross-dressing, because I could really get into this.
It should be noted that this is not my survey. I do however know the individuals conducting it.
Thanks for the free lessons in grammar and research and technicalities.
one more bit of evidence for you Alan, here’s some video coverage of a female muslim bombing, er, herself to bits.
You may find this video disturbing, or like O’bama you may be “troubled”, but I don’t care if this hurts your feelings.
http://gatewaypundit.firstthings.com/2010/04/another-man-caused-disaster-female-suicide-bomber-blows-herself-up-in-russia-video/
A senior Iranian cleric says women who wear revealing clothing and behave promiscuously are to blame for earthquakes.
‘Many women who do not dress modestly … lead young men astray, corrupt their chastity and spread adultery in society, which (consequently) increases earthquakes.’
Swimming in a Burka might slow Global Warming or
cool mine down.
Hubba, Hubba, Hubba- Nijabs
Yes!
Dear surprised canadian said: “Your attempt at sabotaging this survey are ironic. But I not even sure if you understand the meaning of the word.”
Dear surprised, for someone studying at a university such as yourself to produce those two sentences is an indication your instructors need to be fired. First learn to write proper English, THEN try to conduct a scientific survey.
Incidentally your survey questions are all biased toward showing “hate crime/hate speech” to the point where anyone filling it out must admit they have been a victim of hate even if they don’t want to, if they answer all the questions. In case no one at school told you, that’s not science, that’s propaganda.
Dear Alan said: “Essentially the point of this research was to better understand something…”
Dear, dear Alan. If I thought for a New York minute that the survey was designed to do anything other than create “evidence” for hate crimes where there haven’t been any, I wouldn’t have screwed with it. But since no reasonable person could possibly think that, I did screw with it.
Incidentally, your efforts to paint this entire group as “a collection of breathing hate crimes” is probably actionable under Section 13 of the HRC laws.
You also asked: “When was the last time anyone heard of a Muslim woman bombing anything?”
Well, there was this thing in Russia not too long ago… something to do with the subway.
It may not have been your survey, alan, but you attacked people here who criticized its construction and methodology, accusing them of ‘hate crimes’. You have to take responsibility for your action.
Again, the survey, in its construction and its methodology is so seriously flawed that it cannot be used, despite your insistence that it can, as evidence of ‘hate’..criminal or otherwise.
There is no problem with doing a survey on evidence of ‘feelings of hostility towards a designated ethnic or religious group’…but it has to be done correctly. Your friends haven’t done this.
Since you are all students, wouldn’t you prefer to do a really excellent research study rather than one that is so bad, so flawed, that it can be viewed as a joke, and shown so easily, to be useless at providing any valid conclusions?
I’m serious; that survey was terrible. I simply don’t see how the research leaders allowed your friends to set it up and ask those questions.
You have to define your sample population and be rigorous about preventing any bias be it quota or ease of finding your sample etc.
You have to sample both subjective AND objective reality. That means that you have to go beyond what an individual personally feels and move into questions that examine what happened to cause that feeling.
You have to sample both sides: those who are Muslim and those who are not Muslim.
And you have to define your terms in such a way that the respondent doesn’t view ‘talking coldly to me’..as a ‘hate crime’. The definition of terms would require a special set of questions, to help your friends narrow down the answers to those that are valid expressions of hate and those that are not.
None of this was done. Your friends were criticized as they ought to have been – and you have to take responsibility for trying to defend their incompetence, ..and your accusations of ‘hate crimes’ against we who criticize bad research and bad science.
Plus your blog blew your cover as well.
Cover? You honestly think Kate was trying to hide the fact that she was glad to show just how easily your ridiculous one-sided junk science garbage survey could be manipulated? You know, by posting about it openly on her site? Great work blowing that “cover”, Jupiter Jones, you living breathing stupidity crime.
It should be noted that this is not my survey.
Then don’t use “we” when talking about it, you incompetent numbskull.
Have you clicked on all the links to female Muslim suicide bombers yet, ignoramus?
I am sorry for the generalization re: everyone on this board is committing a hate crime.
I was speaking from an emotionally frustrated position. I’m sure no one here has done so and or is interested in doing so.
I am sorry.
Go Kate!
That’s a very nice apology Alan. Thank you so much.
But you’re still on the hook for Sec. 13 HRC, because I might be exposed to future unpleasantness from some as-yet undiscovered person or group.
At any time over the next few years I could get my dander up and have you dragged to Ottawa to answer for a random blog comment you made ages ago.
You beginning to get why these hate laws and tribunals are a Bad Idea?
MY feelings are hurt Alan….SEE YOUR ASS IN THE STALINIST TRIBUNAL!
Bring lots of money, YOU pay MY costs plus a nice hefty fine. Oh, and I have no burden of proof. You have to prove somehow that your motivation was not hate, as though that’s even possible.
The blade swings both ways, Stalinist.
I for one accept Alan’s apology, just as long as it’s heartfelt and not as a result of him being intimidated by a Section 13 complaint.
Alan, I sincerely trust your apology is genuine but, more importantly I hope you and your confreres have learned a lesson from all this.
Posters on this site do not suffer fools.
marc in Calgary – for a gal in a black body bag it is probably preferable to bomb yourself to death, when the alternative is getting stoned to death.
“Your attempt(sic) at sabotaging this survey are ironic.
After having read the survey, and noting just how poorly it was written and how meaningless any derived information would be, I find your attempt to appear intelligent with this comment to be very ironic.
At least our amusement created some degree of utility for the dang thing.
alan – calm down. No-one is going to accuse you of any hate crime! We know you were upset and talk, is talk. We aren’t thin-skinned and if someone sneers at us, we aren’t going to accuse anyone of a ‘hate crime’. But you and your friends must take responsibility for your words and actions.
All we did was show you and your friends how a badly designed survey won’t produce valid results.
And, how it produced lots of hostility because it was so obviously geared, not to find out the truth, but to provide [false]evidence for an assumed hatred towards Muslims.
What puzzles me is how your friends, who obviously don’t know how to design a survey, were allowed to write such a flawed one. Aren’t there any research methods people who would oversee this research?
A good short book on survey design which I’m sure is in your library is:
Jackson, Winston: 1988. Research Methods: Rules for Survey Design and Analysis.
There are other books and your friends can also look up ‘survey design and methods’ and ‘questionnaire construction’ on the internet.
There’s a lot of help out there, and your friends should first: try to be objective about their assumption (hate against Muslims)..that is, don’t assume that such hate really exists. Prove or disprove it.
Second, they should try to explore BOTH populations: Muslims and non-Muslims.
And third, develop a really good questionnaire and be sure to get a broad sample population to answer the questions. And be very careful about your definition of terms.
“Fact: prior to your hack..”
Filling out an open survey on the interwebz constitutes a hack?
Ladies and Gentlemen, we are ALL l33t haxx0rs, now. Ph34r SD4!
Quick, someone call the RCMP!
Using l33t is a hate crime against everyone.
Wonder how many of our tax-dollars funded that stupid, effin’ survey???
Jema 54 @ 4.07 I’m inclined to believe you’re correct, again 😉 …
a month ago, Pamela Geller had this movie on her saturday night cinema… “The Stoning of Soraya M.”
it’s quite an indictment.
http://atlasshrugs2000.typepad.com/atlas_shrugs/2010/03/saturday-night-cinema-the-stoning-of-soraya-m.html
I think it very strange that the CBC did not report on this story. The 3 of the accused appeared in court on Thursday, April 15. The CBC was part of the threat and a key part of the story. Perhaps they did not want to remind the fragile public about this incident. Would reporting this have deterred the same group from issuing an “alleged” threat against Gordon Campbell and Ujjal Dosanjh on April 16th?
“Toronto 18 wanted to behead Prime Minister, announce it on CBC”
http://creepingsharia.wordpress.com/2010/04/19/toronto-18-wanted-to-behead-prime-minister-announce-it-on-cbc-tv/
“Don’t roll your eyes at Islamic incursion into the Toronto Public Library”
http://tplfans.wordpress.com/2010/04/17/thorncliffe/
In a nutshell; our Prime Minister is threatened to be beheaded; our Premiere and MP are allegedly threatened from attending a parade in their own city. This same group threatens to hold the CBC hostage, so how does the CBC respond – they do a story on the Toronto Library choosing a carpet especially for their group – to make them feel welcome and included.
One poster accurately commented: “They wanted to “capture” the CBC? That seems extreme. I’m sure they would have been allowed to walk in the front door and the CBC would have set them up with an office and given them all the resources they needed. It’s the CBC.”
Alan,this may assuage your hurt feelings a tad. I despise Islam and think that Canada would be a better place without it. Then again,this is my opinion only,and not to be taken as indicative of the SDA crowd. Moreso,I despise those who attempt to portray Islam as the victim of undeserved outrage. I feel better now,do you?
Oh yeah,one more thing. Muslim women are continually victimized by Muslim men,but hey,I bet that doesn’t come up in your survey.
What about a survey asking Canadians if they feel threatned by Islam and if they have witnessed or been a victime of a hate crime by Islam?
I know what Gordon Campbell’s, Ujjal Dosanjh’s, and Stephen Harper’s honest response would be – the CBC would undoubtly appease and answer something like this: yes, we have been threatened, but it’s our fault-we haven’t been accommodating or nice enough so the anger and threats of violence towards us is more than justified.
We’re having a special on “THOUGHTCRIMINAL” t-shirts this week.
Just sayin’…
Mojo do the T-shirts come in size shallow, alas the leftwingers don’t need an entire shirt just a small section of it to cover their shallow narcissistic necks.
Alan, you’re looking at this all the wrong way. What the fine people at SDA did is provide, for your educational benefit, a textbook example of why self-selected surveys are inherently non-scientific. This is especially true on the Internet, where there are groups of people that take joy in gaming them.
Then, as a bonus, people responded with other things that were wrong in its construction.
Basically, the data you would have collected from the survey would have been worthless if your goal was to illuminate the truth, so no one should feel sorry for its loss.
I have no prejudice towards any person of any
heritage or colour.
I’m from Montreal where everyone is classified by manners and attitude.
My prejudice exists only towards those who move about shoulder to shoulder with masked or hidden identity.
This whole thing reminds me of a couple of episodes I experienced first hand way back in the mid-1970s when I was teaching on an Indian Reserve in Saskatchewan. The school in question was the first band-controlled school in Canada. Back in those days I was a wide-eyed and bushy-tailed socialist who had swallowed the Cool-Aid administered by my liberal arts education – undiluted.
The first episode involved a multi-class excursion from the reserve school to an outdoor pool in a nearby town. It was a typical outing that many schools treat their students to in June. The pool had been reserved for the exclusive use of those from the school where I was teaching.
For an hour or so the pool was closed to the public while some 80 or so Indian kids with some of their parents and the teachers had fun in the pool. The teachers were the only folks in the pool who were non-Indian. When the hour was over and we were all dried, dressed in our street-clothes and back on the school bus one of the Reserve kids, a boy of about 10 or 12 years of age, looked back at the pool and discovered it was now full of white kids. He made some disparaging remark about it being full of nothing but white kids, implying that he perceived some sort of racism at play. It never occurred to him that only a half hour earlier, it had been full of nothing but Indian kids.
The other incident involved a girl of about 12 years of age who was the class clown. She was always acting up and disrupting the lessons being taught. One day when I attempted to impose discipline on her (no physical contact, of course, just stern words), she came out with the clincher -“You just don’t like Indians.”
These kids were trained from birth to interpret everything that happens to them as racism. There are many parallels in this world and one of the strongest is in the Arab/Muslim world.
So, Kate, what’s your best second language? Please demonstrate.
“Surprised Canadian” and “Alan”: Why don’t you poll some of the local Muslim community about their feelings toward homosexuals? It’s just a hunch but you might find some “hate” there.
Allan asks, “When was the last time anyone heard of a Muslim woman bombing anything?”
You know, he may be right; I checked this weeks Islamic mayhem log and didn’t see anything that popped out at me …
http://www.thereligionofpeace.com/
…but the boys certainly made up for it.
ChrisinMB: “I’m left wondering what is it about London, Ontario that makes it the moonbat capital of Canada?”
RFC, you beat me to it! (Though, I confess, I hadn’t thought about the UCC [Upper Canada College] connection, though, come to think of it, that’s the profile of one of my cousins: UCC then University of Western Ontario.)
Alan@ 1:22 p.m.: “Your [ET’s} comment degrading their attempt at research barely serves as a mask for your ‘hate’.”
GIVE ME A BREAK. FYI, ET is a female professor and her comment did not “degrade” this “attempt at research.” What a weasel word ‘degrade’ is in this context, ensuring that the discussion veers towards what “has” to be “hate”… And, gee, these kids TRIED to do a good job, isn’t that enough — that they “did their best” (which was crap; I sure wouldn’t want them flying my plane.)?
What ET did was state what usual university standards (if that’s not an oxymoron now) pertain to a sociological survey, none of which seemed to have been adhered to in this sorry excuse for “research.”
Alan:
Islam IS bad because it is untrue. It misinterprets and misunderstands Judaism and Christianity, and smears Christ. Islam binds both men and women in a false religion that gives no hope now or in the future.
DaninVan, you’re kidding right? Chechnyan Black Widow – does that ring a bell?
As witnessed by Alan’s reaction, any attempt to inject some common sense and intelligence into an otherwise mindless endeavour such as the survey in question, is greeted with the tedious and overused terms “racist” or “hate”.
Anyone making a half-assed attempt at anything had better be prepared for criticism. Exercises in stupidity and sloth will be pointed out as such in this forum. And well they should be.
Atric puts it well … “Posters on this site do not suffer fools.”
And in related London, Ontario news
Where’s your sign?
For the record, the survey was not designed to collect the opinions of a wide demographic, especially the red-neck, ignorant assholes who regularly visit this blog. Rather, it was based on a hate crime that was recently committed in the city of London on a Muslim woman. It was designed to explore the emotional and social repercussions of this hate crime, and to find out how other Muslim women would cope if they were to fall victim of a hate crime. If any of you had had a second thought about doing something so mean and horrible, you would have at least read the description of the study on the first page of the survey.
I hope you think twice about any plans you may have to incite hate in the future. It’s embarrassing for you and for those who have to associate themselves with people like you.
Peace
Incorrect. The survey was not designed. That is the point.
not designed to collect the opinions of a wide demographic, especially the red-neck, ignorant assholes
I’m deeply offended by your bigoted and racially motivated remarks.
“Peace”: It fails as a survey, and no creative interpretation of past intent (on your part) can change that fact. Even if “It was designed to explore the emotional and social repercussions of this hate crime, and to find out how other Muslim women would cope if they were to fall victim of a hate crime” was true, it is a miserable failure because it does not offer controls on definitions, samples, etc.
But your language qualifies as “hate,” even by your own fluid definition of the term. You use stereotype with malice and hatred (“red-neck” assuming we are all rural white people; “ignorant” implies that our education is not up to standards based upon our opinions, not on a factual investigation of our educational opportunities). The term “a-holes” is simply meant to hurt feelings and convey hate against an identifiable community.
If you want to be multicultural, be consistent. Otherwise, just be honest and admit that your culture trumps others.