22 Replies to “Y2Kyoto: I Miss The Arctic Ice Cap”

  1. Interesting maps. I take it I have more than an hour to get to high ground.

  2. Psh! Toddler ice. It’ll never last! Everyone knows ice gets more frozen the longer it’s around.

  3. Meanwhile in much of Canada El Nino has basically cancelled the winter. My lake near Algonquin Park has been free of ice since March 24. This is well over a month earlier than normal.

  5. yep El Nino spring.
    The farmers hereabouts have started turning dirt….
    Not unprecedented—1974 for example….all plowing done in April.
    Generally the guys south of the CPR are on the land 1-2 weeks …..before the guys north of the CPR.
    Woodstock to London line.

  7. @ Fred LOL!
    Whitewash…yeah where is Tom Sawyer?
    Now the Americans are getting in on Climategate Part Deux!
    http://www.foxnews.com/scitech/2010/03/30/nasa-data-worse-than-climategate-data/
    NASA Data Worse Than Climate-Gate Data, Space Agency Admits
    …
    In an updated analysis of the surface temperature data released on March 19, NASA adjusted the raw temperature station data to account for inaccurate readings caused by heat-absorbing paved surfaces and buildings in a slightly different way. NASA determines which stations are urban with nighttime satellite photos, looking for stations near light sources as seen from space.
    Of course, this doesn’t solve problems with NASA’s data, as the newest paper admits: “Much higher resolution would be needed to check for local problems with the placement of thermometers relative to possible building obstructions,” a problem repeatedly underscored by meteorologist Anthony Watts on his SurfaceStations.org Web site. Last month, Watts told FoxNews.com that “90 percent of them don’t meet [the government’s] old, simple rule called the ‘100-foot rule’ for keeping thermometers 100 feet or more from biasing influence. Ninety percent of them failed that, and we’ve got documentation.”
    Still, “confidence” is not the same as scientific law, something the public obviously recognizes. According to a December survey, only 25 percent of Americans believed there was agreement within the scientific community on climate change. And unless things fundamentally change, it could remain that way, said Taylor.
    “Until surface temperature data sets are truly independent of one another and are entrusted to scientists whose objectivity is beyond question, the satellite temperature record alone will not have any credibility,” he said.
    Cheers
    Hans-Christian Georg Rupprecht, Commander in Chief
    1st Saint Nicolaas Army
    Army Group “True North”

  9. But … but …
    2009 was the fifth warmest year on record and the block of years from 2001 through 2009 are the warmest recorded since records have been kept, sometime in the 1850’s.
    The UN said so last week. It must be true!!
    And those displays, Kate — K Stricker is right, “everyone” knows that the current display shows only “baby” ice. It has to bee at least 2 metres thick before you can count it.
    He, he, he.

  10. It is something of a pity, if true. Such evidence
    as was even slightly reliable pointed a little
    not to global warming but to regional warming,especially in the Arctic. Freeman Dyson visited
    the Arctic and said that the locals liked
    the warming, no surprise.
    I would say that over the last fifteen years there has been some change here in St. John’s, and a
    positive one at that – less wind and less cloud in the winters.
    Purely anecdotal, of course, not scientific, unlike the (cooked) temperature records.
    Of course my colleagues in fisheries biology will say that less wind is not good –
    it is the wind which oxygenates the ocean off Newfoundland, and contributes to the great fertility of the Grand Banks etc.
    I haven’t heard anyone say anything good about the Arctic icepack, though.

  11. Hey guys, there’s a story over at slashdot.org regarding the whole UK inquiry into Phil Jones, and there’s a bunch of warmers spreading lies and myths. Please lend a hand in providing some factual responses.

  13. Hope and Fear.
    AlGW says, foget O’s Hope; Fear is bestest.
    Find the “declining readership”.
    …-
    “Warmists overwhelmed by fear, panic and deranged hatred as their ’science’ collapses
    March 8th, 2010
    A sharp-eyed viewer has noticed that when I was debating George Monbiot on TV yesterday and I mentioned that his cherished “peer-reviewed science” had been discredited by Climategate he bared his teeth like a cornered cur. Says my body language expert John Lish:
    “It was a quite aggressive and defensive gesture which was noticeable when he was attempting to dismiss you (talking about peer review). A definite body-language sign of being rattled. He’s definitely uncomfortable about what’s occurring and others will have spotted that as well.”
    Monbiot isn’t the only one. Consider the paranoid tone of this email from climate-fear-promoter Paul Ehrlich, during an exchange with fellow members at the National Academy of Scientists on how best to deal with the Denier threat: (Hat tip: Marc Morano)
    “Most of our colleagues don’t seem to grasp that we’re not in a gentlepersons’ debate, we’re in a street fight against well-funded, merciless enemies who play by entirely different rules.”
    And consider this tragic response from the editor of the US magazine Skeptical Inquirer when faced with declining readership.”
    http://jamesdelingpole.com/blog/warmists-overwhelmed-by-fear-panic-and-deranged-hatred-as-their-science-collapses-858/

  14. I’ve watched the temperature at Eureka Station, Nunavut almost every day since Sept-2009. You’d have to be awfully dense to beleive that icebergs can melt in -50°C weather.

  15. Okay, I’ve got this great idea, if these people are so concerned about the ice melting, let’s send them all up there and tell them to come back south the minute they are sure it is all gone.
    That way we’ll know right away.

  16. I first saw satellite photos similar to the ones posted above a few years ago on “The Hour”. George Alphabet had an hour of global warming debate featuring David Suzuki. Dr.Suckzuki showed 30 years of photos and ended up comparing two. Unfortunately,he did specify that the first photo was taken winter of 1970 something,but did not tell when the last photo was taken,summer or winter 2005. It left the impression of a great melting taken place,but to myself it left the impression of a charlatan backed by a compliant partisan gov’t organization.

  18. These fricken morons are not going to go away quietly. They have too much invested.
    Warmers say that “deniers” have been bought by “Big Oil”, we can say they have been bought by the “Big Carbon Market” traders.
    In the UK, a parliamentary inquiry found no tampering with the CRU data and reinstated Phil Jones. Go figure, if they did they would be declaring their massive carbon taxes/levies/fees essentially illegal.
    Time Magazine declares the fraud “some minor questions in the data” or similar totally dismissing the claims of people questioning the integrity of the “science”.
    The war for the minds of the masses has just begun. Obama is just getting into gear on his carbon scheme.

  19. Now that November’s Climate Gate incident has been sorted through and the scientists have been cleared of any serious wrong doing, you would think the news would spread like wildfire across the Internet, just like the original “scandal” did. But it doesn’t. Why? You’d think that anyone motivated to spread the truth would be just as eager to clear someone’s name as to smear it.
    The people who made the most noise were the denialists. The goal was to influence public opinion, not to find the truth. If they were interested in finding the truth, they could have done so without illegally compromising an email server. For example: the method used to calibrate the tree ring data was published in the same report that made use of the data. The server compromise was just a prop to give the impression that new information was uncovered, and therefore “proof of scientists hiding something”.
    The denialists were so incredibly picky. They picked three grains of sand out of an entire sand pile of evidence. They thought that if they could challenge those three things, they could take down the mountain. They failed to even make a serious matter out of the 3 emails they picked.
    Skepticism is a respectable thing. I practice it. Reasonable proof should be demanded. However, purposely stamping on those who provide conclusions that you don’t like despite the evidence is not skepticism. It’s denialism.
    I am curious as to why these teabaggers and conservatives (and others) are so eager to waste tax dollars on such an incredibly stupid inquiry. At least the denialists had the trial they were looking for. Why don’t they speak up about it?
    Let the criminal investigation on the denialist monkey men (the email “hackers”) continue. I look forward to the results.

  20. ” My lake near Algonquin Park has been free of ice since March 24. This is well over a month earlier than normal.”
    Posted by: GreenNeck at March 31, 2010 3:28 PM
    I am well south of you in the Kawarthas and there is still ice on all of our lakes.

  21. The last two weeks at the Ekati diamond mine north of Yellowknife were the coldest of the winter.

  22. Greg Valcourt, please explain how the Copenhagen treaty and the Kyoto treaty would have helped the environment.
    Seems to me that increasing the costs to the already cleaner factories here but not to the already much more polluting factories in China would result in more pollution, not less.
    The increased competitive advantage for the more polluting factories in the exempt countries would result in more production moving to the already dirtier factories there.
    And more of the cleaner factories here closing.
    So more pollution, not less.
    And on top of that there would be more pollution from the increased transportation from shipping our raw materials there and the finished products back here.
    The so called environmentalists keep lecturing us about how we should buy our tomatoes from the guy next door to reduce pollution but we should buy our steel from the dirtier mills in far away China.
    Doesn’t make much sense, but then that seems to be a characteristic of all the environmental movement’s ideas these days.
    Chinese industry pollutes far more per unit of production than ours, the NY Times had a complete series on that.
    So why would we move more production to the dirtier factories there?
    You know, if saving the environment was the actual goal of their AGW campaign?

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