Funeral for Detroit mosque leader draws hundreds…
The FBI says Abdullah, 53, was fatally shot inside a suburban warehouse Wednesday after firing at agents and resisting arrest. Agents wanted him on charges of weapons violations and conspiracy to sell stolen goods, one of 11 people named in a criminal complaint.
They’ve arrested two of the alleged co-conspirators in Windsor.
“When you’ve had some family or friends blood spilled by these backward cretins from the desert you might change your tune.”
I’ve been in the military for 12 years. I’ve lost good friends, acquaintances, and coworkers. It didn’t turn me into a cowardly bigot. I’m sorry that your reaction was clearly different. What can we do to make you happy? Shall we round up all the Muslims and put them in concentration camps? Or would you like to start with making them wear red crescents at all times, so that they can be better singled-out for public abuse? Let me know Herr Gord, and we shall mobilize your loyal Christian followers to once and for all deal with the Muslim Problem.
“Islam is a religion of hate directed at those who are non-believers. All the conciliatory talk to the contrary is just propaganda. Islam generally could stop the terrorism except that there is much sympathy for the Islamic beliefs.”
What he said.
I think a lot of Muslims like killing things, Americans, Christians, Jews, Muslims. Arabs, chickens, Turks, Indians, ponies, whites, blacks, Brits, French, collies, crocodiles, Shiites, Sunnis, shepards, bus drivers, soldiers, shoppers, Armenians, whatever and whomever is in the way of their latest hate-soaked rage against every imagined slight in the last 1300 years. Until I hear a great number of the followers of the “religion of peace” condemn these assholes, I wil continue to expect no less of the whole lot of them.
“Don’t paint all Muslims with the same brush. Overall the vast majority of Muslims want to live in peace like most other people.”
For once I can agree with one of the lefties. Just because a fanatical Muslim says there are no moderates doesn’t mean there are no moderates. I’d say the only people who love death rather than life are the Islamofascists and the deranged “politically correct” disciples of the Frankfurt School. I also believe most people want to live under capitalism rather than socialism.
“I would be much comforted however, if some larger portion of that vast majority would stand up and publicly condemn the violence of the few.”
So would I. But the former denizens of communist countries didn’t have much of an opportunity to criticize their system or leaders either. There’s probably a lot of intimidation going on here too.
“Muslims are blowing stuff up. Focus on Muslims. To do otherwise would be suicidal.”
True, you have to focus on those doing the dirty work, even if it’s a handful. But until about 1990, it was mostly communists blowing things up. And the communists today are giving the fanatical Muslims a lot of help.
“If you want an eye opener Google ‘Religion Of Peace’ and scroll down. Quite the body count and growing EVERY day!! Is there a comparable site for ‘Christians’??”
Not today. But its history isn’t free of bloodshed.
“Mr. Abdullah was a ‘recognized and respected member of numerous mainstream Muslim organizations and leadership bodies'”
So was Rev. Jim Jones with regard to mainstream Christian organizations, etc. He got an honour presented by Rosalyn Carter as I recall.
“If and when [the Iranian] regime falls and if a democratic secular regime emerges, which seems more likely today that ever before, the whole Islamist dynamic will suffer a huge blow.”
True. And Canadian foreign policy (and indeed all western foreign policy) should be encouraging this as much as is humanly possible. Marxist terrorism mostly ended with the fall of the Soviet Union. We might find a comparable situation after the fall of the Mullahs, who need to be constantly reminded that the fate of Nikolae Ceausescu in Romania could happen to them.
Bottom line: “There are no warlike peoples, just warlike leaders” — Ralph Bunche
To which we might add: warlike ideologies and other collectivist or tribal thinking that lead people astray.
Alex you don’t seem to good at this discussion thingy. You have yet to refute or disagree with anything I’ve said. You just name call with no actual basis for your name calling. Why not use that big tolerant brain of yours and explain to us all the good things about muslims to balance the discussion?
I doubt you’ve spent more than 12 minutes in the military. You show no signs whatsoever of having any discipline. You do know that the Salvation Army isn’t really the military don’t you Alex? Just cause they give you a bunk and 3 meals a day doesn’t make you a soldier.
Now lets see if you can refrain from name calling and put that post secondary education us tax payers paid for to work and say something intelligent.
“sound of crickets”.
nv5, on at least one point you are full of shit and that’s this one. In response to Al W’s statement:
“If you want an eye opener Google ‘Religion Of Peace’ and scroll down. Quite the body count and growing EVERY day!! Is there a comparable site for ‘Christians’??”
you said:
Not today. But its history isn’t free of bloodshed.
Since you are unwilling to take a look at the website The Religion of Peace, I’ll tell you what the count is as of this morning, Monday, November 2, 2009: 14,318 terrorist attacks since 9/11. Unfortunately, to my knowledge, the site does not actually add up the number of people killed in those attacks, but some of them, as you may well know, have been pretty spectacular. Remember the attack in Mumbai, for example, the anniversary of which is fast approaching. Since most terror attacks kill large numbers of people (that’s the whole point), I would suspect the number of dead from these attacks approaches five or six times that number.
Just yesterday seven more innocent people were killed, 2 in India and five in Somalia.
nv53: “But the former denizens of communist countries didn’t have much of an opportunity to criticize their system or leaders either.”
That might be true of countries where Islam predominates, but it’s not so true of Muslims in the West. And btw, there are some moderate Muslims raising their voices, but they aren’t getting much notice from the media. I challenge you, nv53, and T and even Alex to name the groups and individuals that are speaking out.
It was mostly Communists “blowing things up” in the 90s and beforehand? Please.
http://prophetofdoom.net/Islamic_Terrorism_Timeline_1960-1969.Islam
Oh and Jim Jones was a Marxist. A bit like Rev. Wright, come to think of it.
Jim Jones a Christian???? Did Jim Jones know that? Every Christian organization I knew was issuing warnings about personality cults like Jim Jones.
A little note for the nitwits who equate any preaching done by any loony tune preacher with Christianity: IT AIN’T THE SAME!!!!!
Louise:
“I challenge you, nv53, and T and even Alex to name the groups and individuals that are speaking out.”
freemuslims.org
islamfortoday.com
m-a-t.org
muhajabah.com/otherscondemn.php
Shall I keep going? Just plug “Muslims against terror” into google and you’ll get plenty of hits. Unfortunately you won’t hear about it on Fox, so I’m not surprised you’ve never heard of these people.
If you don’t trust those links, you can always sign up and get a tour in Afghanistan under your belt. Plenty of Muslims there are opposed to terrorism since they deal with it on a daily basis. Ditto for Iraq. We (NATO) may be leading the charge in this war, but we’d be totally screwed if there weren’t moderate Muslims in those nations who are working with us to eliminate the use of terror as a political tool.
Ignorance is a curable condition, and you seem like a decent person – don’t let the blind hatred and deceitful rhetoric of people like “gord” lead you astray. Do some research. Think for yourself. You can’t expect the truth to be handed to you on a platter, especially if you’re seeking it from extremists pursuing their own twisted ideological agenda.
Alex. You’re just too stupid to deal with. Your mom must be so proud. I still haven’t heard a peep out of you with any intelligence. Just lame insults.
This is why they tell parents not to let the kids have computers in their bedrooms. You get kids like alex bothering grownups and watching porn all day.
Ok. I’m bored with this. Moving on.
Before Kate yells at me. 🙂
Note to self: Stupidity can be fatal.
Alex- You seem sincere, but I think you’re way too forgiving.
Young muslims are on the move. I see gang behaviour in most of the young muslims I deal with. Secret signs, gang tattoos, colours, and a tendecy to remain aloof from non-muslims. When you look at the failure of American society to deal with regular gangs, there seems to be little hope of stopping the latest threat.
These kids come from many ethnic groups. They come from Bosnia, Pakistan, Afghanistan, Somalia, Kosovo, Sudan, Indonesia, Algeria, and Missisauga. No matter how much support they receive from well wishing western society, they still focus on some perceived injustice, and their plan to take their rightful place as our masters.
I don’t know about Alex, but I’m not going down without a fight.
Well done, Alex. I do wish you had let nv5 go first though. My hunch is he/she knows nothing about what’s out there and is just spouting the usual kumbayah line about how we’re all one spirit, blah, blah, blah.
You should do a tour of the back pages of my blog to see where I come from, my connection with Iraq, etc.. I have no patience with folks who refuse to allow people to talk about a real and urgent issue of our times, instead accusing them of blind hatred and deceitful rhetoric. IMHO, it’s folks like nv5 that are guilty of deceitful rhetoric.
And by the way, I don’t have TV and I’ve rarely watched Fox so take that leftoid speaking point and shove it where the sun don’t shine.
” Shall we round up all the Muslims and put them in concentration camps? Or would you like to start with making them wear red crescents at all times, so that they can be better singled-out for public abuse? Let me know Herr Gord”
Why does the commentariat here seem to consist largely of people who have just been released from Aushwitz? Can you fools not type more than two sentences on any friggin subject without referencing “the” “holocaust”? Get over it, FFS.
“I don’t know about Alex, but I’m not going down without a fight.”
LOL, You throw your purse at them, girlfriend.
dp – I’m not sure how your points relate to the issue under discussion. I see gang behavior in most of the young blacks I deal with, too. Hell, I see it in sizable segments of the Chinese community as well. If you think that this kind of observation justifies the blind bigotry of gord and his ilk, then you’re no better than him.
And no, I don’t think that you’re like him. You seem to be mainly pointing out something which all immigrant communities have in common in Canada – they’re slow to integrate into our society. The Muslim preference for intermarriage and their strong religious beliefs tend to exacerbate the problem, but they’re far from unique in that respect. So you’ve got two options – either you find a way to encourage these communities to adopt Canadian values while harshly punishing those who turn to crime and extremism, or you stop allowing immigration and start government-backed indiscriminate pogroms. Gord prefers the latter, I the former.
As long as our government isn’t ready to start firing Muslims into ghettos and concentration camps, your approach is going to be counterproductive. You’re not going to convince Muslims to be better Canadians by responding to them with fear and aggression. However, if you’re looking to further radicalize them, then you’re taking the perfect approach. We saw the same issues in the US a few decades back – systemic racism and the existence of groups like the KKK only encouraged the creation of the Black Panthers and lead to the ghettoizing of black communities. You saw the same thing again in Iraq, where Sunni militant groups popped up as an attempt to deal with Shia discrimination. That kind of indiscriminate abuse never produces the desired results; it only further isolates the minority groups while creating more and more hatred and mistrust between the two sides. The biggest improvements in Iraq have come from the American success in building bridges between the Shia and Sunni communities, by helping to create an inclusive government and police/military forces. Meanwhile you’re here proposing that we do the opposite.
I don’t plan on “going down without a fight” either, dp, but I know how to pick my battles. Moreover, I have no intention of sinking to the level of our enemies; the day my country starts emulating my enemies is the day I turn in my uniform and find a new place to call home.
It seems to me that Alex (and a few others) raise a valid point; that we can no more lump all Muslims together than all Christians, all Jews, all Hindus or any other. A good part of the problem remains our governments and authorities giving undue importance to mullahs and clerics along with organisations that are a front for Islamists by seeking their advice and agreement on policies. This simply reinforces the terrorists’ claim that they represent true Islam and that one cannot separate their criminal activity from their religion. They do not speak for all Muslims and this practice should immediately cease.
I should also add that the general silence concerning acts of terrorism and honour killings of Muslims in general does not help to dispel the claim that all Muslims support such things to one degree or another.
Alex:”…either you find a way to encourage these communities to adopt Canadian values while harshly punishing those who turn to crime and extremism, or you stop allowing immigration and start government-backed indiscriminate pogroms. Gord prefers the latter, I the former.”
ROTFLMAO!!!
Talk about deceitful rhetoric.
Alex: “The biggest improvements in Iraq have come from the American success in building bridges between the Shia and Sunni communities, by helping to create an inclusive government and police/military forces. Meanwhile you’re here proposing that we do the opposite.”
Good lord. The biggest factor in building bridges between the Shia and Sunni was unrelenting, indiscriminate, bloodthirsty violence of Al-Qaeda-in-Iraq and their affiliates. That and capturing and bringing to justice the Butcher himself. To suggest the consequences of 30+ years of Ba’athist rule (a Sunni minority, by the way. Not that Saddam Hussein was religious except when it served his purpose.) in Iraq has any parallels in Canada is absurd.
Just how exactly does the Muslim Canadian Congress’s call to ban the burka and the niqab fit into this neatly sidestepping world view of yours, Alex. I think they have a much better bead on the problem than victimologists like yourself.
Huh?
Louise, I think you need to pick a topic and stick to it. At this point it seems more like you’re talking to yourself than to me. I’d also be rather interested in knowing why you’re sticking up for the tinpot tyrant over there, instead of rightly denouncing his views. How can you expect Muslims to renounce extremism when you won’t do it yourself?
A couple of observations:
a) The Koran (yes, I have read it) includes many references to violence against Infidels
b) Mohammed was a sinister, lying, thieving, child molesting, murdering pig
c) The underlying theme of Islam is easily propagated among the impoverished and chronically uneducated (hence the Black 3rd world thing – sorry, but it is true) because of the promise of a better afterlife for the suffering in life as we know it
My opinion.
And you think I’m the bigot alex? You tell people to do research and when they come back with a different conclusion than you it’s back to name calling and childish nazi and klan references. We need an army to protect us against people like you. You should hang up the uniform. Your way too old for the Boy Scouts now.
Some people have made some good articulate and intelligent points here and you just throw bile around like some old NDP huckster.
How’s that “don’t ask, don’t tell” thing working out for you?
Alex: “I’d also be rather interested in knowing why you’re sticking up for the tinpot tyrant over there, instead of rightly denouncing his views.”
Huh? Right back at ya, Alex. What tinpot tyrant am I sticking up for? Can you read?
Louise @ 7:43 a.m.: You misunderstood my comment. What I meant was that Christianity’s history is not free of bloodshed. I’m not arguing today’s militant Islamic record.
Kathy Shaidle: “Jim Jones was a Marxist”
Could well be. Both Marxism and religion stem from the same source of mysticism as opposed to reason.
As for “mostly communists blowing things up”, I’ll admit I was a bit off, although I always regarded organizations like the PLO as more communist than Islamic.
Louise again: “the usual kumbayah line about how we’re all one spirit, blah, blah, blah”
This is the exact opposite of what I believe, as it is collectivist rather than individualism.
Yeah, Louise, I read you just fine:
“ROTFLMAO!!! Talk about deceitful rhetoric.”
Posted by: Louise at November 2, 2009 7:31 PM
So, essentially, you’re a hypocrite. You insist that the Muslims must denounce the extremists amongst their ranks, yet you are more than happy to tolerate extremists amongst your own (or are unable to identify them, which is even more worrisome). Until you’re able to behave in a consistent manner, Louise, don’t expect to be taken seriously.
And just who are these “extremists amongst your own”, Alex? Hmmm? Name them, maybe no more than a dozen or so to make it easy for ya, and the violent acts killing thousands of innocent people they have killed.
I supposed you’re one of these “relativists” who couldn’t support their arguments with real examples if their lives depended on it.
Oh, and I’m still waiting for the name of that “tinpot tyrant” I’m supposedly sticking up for.
All religion is based on man’s looking for a reason to be in charge. It’s all a crock. We created god in our own image.
But you won’t find one muslim who will protest against honor killings or video taped beheadings or al Qaeda.
Since 9/11 how many riots have occurred because of cartoons of Mo or teddy bears named Mo or burka bans? People were killed over those issues.
But how many public protests have Western muslims held against al Qaeda since 9/11? Zero, zip, nada.