Is there nothing that Obama can’t do?
1) Are you the person who attended Jackson Lee’s town hall meeting?
2) Are you a doctor?
3) If not, why did you claim to be one?
4) Were you a Texas delegate for Obama?
5) Why did you go to the town hall meeting?
6) Who encouraged you to go?
7) Did Sheila Jackson Lee’s husband have anything to do with your going?
Thanks for your time.
(And how about that 5000% raise!)
Hey John, Pinocchi-Obama brought up death panels in a NYT interview just a few months ago.
The Prince of lies Obama & his MSM shills who fabricate the slurs, While his brown shirt ACORN’s pretend to be something their not for the King.
Change & Hope.
One other thing John, in the only bill we have to talk about, the one the house is working on, there are BOUNTIES on Grandma. That’s right, the Dr gets paid extra for bringing up the “end of life counseling” whether the patient wants to talk about it or not. Then a legally binding DNR order can be created on the spot. Doc gets his pieces of silver, and Obama saves “potentially 80% of the total health care bill out there”, in his own words.
I’d do a little googling before I called BS. But go ahead and call BS, because that will be an admission that the idea is disturbing.
Thanks for that quote tim. Did anyone call b…s… on that 80% that he threw out?Where is the response form the medical profession associations?
Or lets go with his number:
Could be that 80% of the real emergency cases are people at the ‘end of their lives’ but the skilled staff in the ER have the right technology, meds and equipment to save them from dying.
Obama wants to be God and determine which Americans at ‘the end of their lives’ are worth the allotted dollars and cents, and those that should be cut off.
He’s looking more like that little German creep every day.
Joe, the guy who stood outside of the meeting admitted that it was not only a real gun, but that it was loaded, saying that it would be pretty stupid to not bring a loaded gun.
To claim that he was just coming back from the pistol range is a mind-boggling example of rightwing noise. Just keep avoiding dealing with the issue or splitting hairs until your opponent grows exhausted by stupid retorts.
He was no more coming back from the range than he was the laundrymat. He brought a gun to make a point. A stupid violent point.
Again… bringing a gun to a meeting that is sure to get heated is asking for trouble. As for the violence at these meetings… we have video of one black dude in a wheelchair blaming it on a union member… oddly enough the original video the accused union member laying on the ground, NOT his victim. The right is plenty guilty of bringing their share of pushing and shoving, and so far… any incidents with guns have been from rightwingers.
Tim,
These aren’t “death panels”. As the current portion of the bill in question states, it’s about the patient talking with their doctors about what they want to do.
John
“A well regulated Militia, being necessary to the security of a free State, the right of the people to keep and bear Arms, shall not be infringed.”
Does this quote mean anything to you John? It’s not citizens purchasing ammo, guns and maintaining militia readiness that is scary. It’s people like you that would advise against or outright ban such militias that is truly scary.
And carrying a visible firearm is not right or left wing. In case you haven’t noticed, it’s the left sending it’s organized brown shirts to the meetings to disrupt individuals from having their say. We will agree that this can only end badly, but it will end as such if the left continue to organize “mobs” to counter the individuals that are attending the meeting. The bottom line is, there wouldn’t be any violence if the organized left didn’t intervene because there isn’t any tangible support for Obama’s plan at the grass roots level. People supporting Obama’s plan are not attending these meetings individually, so without the organized mobs there is no friction to be had.
Btw, packing a firearm is a good idea when Union thugs and socialists are in close proxicimity.
John the gun is only a problem to you and the yellow media. It is not a problem to me, it is not a problem for the police and I never noticed people running away from him. So how is he a goon? Matthews was more of a goon. He was composed and rational shiite that puts him above a lot of the czars and definitely Pelosi and the media. I don’t argue with rocks so I’m done.
I think what really has John in a tizzy about the gun is that in America it is a symbol of liberty…the ‘back-off government!’ kinda statement.
The very reason it is allowed by their Constitutuion….
But John, there *is no bill* right now. There are five versions, one of which does not contain the death panel, and BTW, I am pretty sure Palin killed that one good and dead, but this is Obama’s statement of ambition about the final product:
“And that’s[A DEATH PANEL] part of what I suspect you’ll see emerging out of the various health care conversations that are taking place on the Hill right now”
So declaring something does not exist when all there is publicly available is one of five different bills is, well, not logical. I don’t know where you got the idea that Palin was talking about end of life counseling, there is no panel involved there.
And it is about doctors being *paid* to bring up the discussion of Do Not Resuscitate (DNR) orders. Think about that for a minute, if you can. An elderly person alone in an office with a respected authority figure in his white coat who holds the power of life and death in his day to day job. It is not voluntary. If it were voluntary, the patient would have the right to bring it up themselves, and that would be the end of it. No self respecting doctor would charge a patient for that discussion. That is why Obama wants to pay BOUNTIES on old people.
Again Indie… look at the painting of the founding fathers. See any guns? No. And it wasn’t because they were being used in the Revolution. It’s because they knew that bringing guns to a place of discourse was stupid.
As for militias. My god man. They were talking about forming a military, not a bunch of weirdos who run around blowing up Federal buildings.
Unless of course you agree with what McVeigh did?
Right now the American militia movement isn’t about defending that country from outside threats… it’s about intimidating people, and challenging the rule of law. That’s why most rational people consider them dangerous.
Man… Small Dead Animals is way more Effed up than I thought.
John, Militias have nothing to do with the right to bear arms, or so the Supreme court held this year. In fact, even though the Heller decision wasn’t unanimous, the Justices were unanimous that the “well regulated militia” part of the second amendment did not restrict the right to bear arms. The guy in NH was well outside the security perimeter, not concealing his weapon, and acting within the law. He also probably had a sniper rifle or three trained on him at all times.
I was in the UK one time, and walking through an underpass when Tony Blair’s motorcade drove by. Because it was a good ambush point, I guess, as soon as his car passed, all of a sudden more guns came out of the woodwork than you could believe, automatic weapons too. They were invisible the minute before. There were guys parked in beat up old cars, it was amazing, really.
I can’t imagine any intelligent person holding up a painting and saying “see no guns!” It’s a painting you idiot!
Besides, how does the action of one individual, in a free country, who shows up in an uncontrolled area at a well publicized event invalidate the opinions of tens of thousands? Answer that one.
Ya know arguing with John is like stepping in dog doo. No matter how thoroughly you wipe your shoe the odour remains.
“These aren’t “death panels”” – John
They decide the rules by which care is given or withheld. Obama’s crazy medical ethicist, Dr Ezekiel Emmanuel, has written about the possibility of withholding care from people based on age and “quality of life” and utility.
Why did Obama say “It is very difficult to imagine the country making those decisions just through the normal political channels.” if all he was referring to was finding the most effective medications? What would be so hard about that?
Well it fits, if you think about it. If Obama is not a natural born US citizen – just impersonating one – then it stands to reason his followers will feel free to follow suit and impersonate whom or whatever they wish.
Deceit through and through.
Obama doesn’t like his friends being asked to prove their identities either -remember Gates – sore spot for O. But he sure does want the press “signing” in at these town meetings-saw another video and a man who identified himself as the press he was asked to sign in – escorted by security guards to do so – if he had not he would have had to leave.
I wonder how many social workers, general practitioners, and pediatricians were cringing while listening to Roxana. Too bad the MSM won’t run with this story.
John is worried about a guy with a legal gun, who was on private property, from what I’ve read. John says it is a symbol of violence. Hmmm. I guess the union guys are just misunderstood peaceable folks huh? Wonder how many concealed guns were among that group of boy scouts?
Any bets the first shot will be fired by a leftist?
What about the Black Panthers standing in front of voting stations with billy clubs?
John reminds me of that Gopher that popped up in that US couples Banff, AB photo in the thread above. John is popping his head up – looking starkly out of place and just as clueless.
John – a true Obama Gopher.
http://www.modernhealthcare.com/article/20090812/REG/308129972/0
Hey look, Obama’s threats to the health plans are paying dividends already! 600 moneysucking capitalist pigs thrown out on the street!
John – Sitting VP Aaron Burr killed former Secretary of the Treasury Alexander Hamilton in a duel with pistols in 1804.
God it’s interesting, Burr may have screwed with the pistols. Even the Gore Vidal novel can’t ruin it.
Any of the men in the photograph you cite, John, would have fought with any of the others, had it come up. It was a different time.
No specific point, just a little “far, far right” bloodlust for you.
Okay, not photograph, although that would be cool.
John, up yer meds, you sound like you’re lossing IT!!
Some doctors have blogged their comments here:
C:\Users\Family\Documents\At What Cost, Cutting Off A Leg – The Atlantic Politics Channel.mht
Uh, this never ending discussion with John about guns is super BORING. Things that are legal are sometimes not necessarily a good idea – you have to look at the context.
It reminds me of a morning show radio host who during the week’s feature on driving repeatedly pointed out that there’s no law that slower traffic has to keep right in the city, and that people were within their right going slow in the left lane of large roadways. I yelled for a week at the radio “but it’s a good idea for slower traffic to keep right, even though there is no law about it”.
Similarly, the guy was within his right having his gun where he did. I don’t know the exact context though, and that makes all the difference. If he was minding his own business, fine. If he was trying to be provocative, not really great.
Just like there’s no law about people of a certain religion videotaping landmarks, and looking at security weakpoints of same. But context is everything, and sometimes some of these people may have not great intentions.
I heard CBC News World at midnight and saw a segment on the irate persons at the town hall meetings. In America, all we need is someone to say “We can all feel a little smug this evening”. Never happen in the Dominion of course. The Americans ain’t gonna take it, without a struggle. There is no doubt about the sentiments of the venerable CBC and it’s bright woman announcer.
I always have a chuckle about certain things re health care. Certain people who believe in President Obama’s scheme and his idealogy are the one’s with enough money to nip over there and get the benefits of the present system.
Joe “Six Pack” has to wait and hope the system works just where he lives. I have no complaints myself but as an immigrant to Canada in 1955, I have never needed to go to hospital.
No complaints!
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**John is worried about a guy with a legal gun, who was on private property, from what I’ve read. John says it is a symbol of violence. Hmmm. I guess the union guys are just misunderstood peaceable folks huh? Wonder how many concealed guns were among that group of boy scouts?
Any bets the first shot will be fired by a leftist?**
This phony doctor is exposed and john cites a guy conducting himself in a legal manner—with the blessing of the constabulary.
That is called bait and switch…..shifting ground….
Now it’s my turn::::::
“Beat me in St Louis Louis”……
In that case White UNION GOONS were busted by the cops for beating the crap out of a small black fella…..
Isn’t that racist and a hate crime???? Did the Kenyan declare that the Police acted stupidly arresting the UNION GOONS…..like the Nazi SS.
No bets on the first shot….
The lefties have drawn first blood…..
This whole “town Hall” phenomina is a leftie construct that is going horribly wrong for them.
I love the Canadian system. It sent my father home to die, gave my mother one leg shorter than the other(18 month wait to see another specialist so I know she probably will live with pain for the rest of her life), facial reconstruction for my brother to repair the damage caused by a fall during stroke rehab(don’t ask), gave my brother-in-law, defective valves, his quality of life leaves a bit to be desired, ignored my wife’s complaints for ten years, five surgeries and two drug therapy treatments later she still has pain. Wanted to put me on high blood pressure medication, 110/72 right now(no meds)Should I mention my friends wife who was on the list for a transplant? She had surgery and waited two weeks for a transplant with an open chest cavity, she showed slight signs of improvement and they sewed her up and sent her home, three months later she’s dead, he is heartbroken. On the positive side my younger brother recieved 2nd and 3rd degree burns to forty percent of his body when he was five years old and forty years later he has no scaring, oh wait… He was treated at the American airbase hospital, by American doctors so I guess his outcome shouldn’t count. Yeah Canadians are just dying to get treated in Canada!
It seems some people can’t see the obvious:
A freeman is armed and a slave is disarmed. As a freeman I consider it my right to walk around armed which, unfortunately, in Canada means always carrying a couple of knives as I can legally only carry my pistols to and from the range. If I lived in the US I would carry a pistol at all times as I would have no problem getting a CCW permit.
Excluding law abiding CCW permit holders exercising their right to keep and bear arms from political meetings is extremely stupid. This group of individuals is the least likely to misuse firearms and most CCW holders are considerably better shots than the police. Perhaps this faux outrage has more to do with the forces of freedom being able to counter union goons at town hall meetings if they are armed.
In the US citizen militias are legal. When the government is violating the constitution then it is up to citizen militias to rectify the situation. That’s why the US constitution includes the 2nd ammendment. Obvious to everyone except statists.
For Obamacare to succeed it requires support of doctors. This is very unlikely to happen given BO’s denigration of physicians and characterizing them as greedy and self-serving. More and more people are seeing the underlying totalitarian agenda of the democratic party and we’re fast coming to a point where democratic party is going to have to either yield to popular opinion or the people will do what needs to be done to restore a system of checks and balances. Incidentally, I’m a real doctor and don’t just play one at town hall meetings.
loki, the whole gun thing, come on, if you live in a gated community in Arizona, are you gonna carry a concealed weapon? It all depends on risk, and risk assessment. In most of the US and Canada, 99% of the time nothing happens. I don’t feel a need to arm myself, although I have thrown a baseball bat in my trunk – wouldn’t have done that five years ago.
re health care, I absolutely agree with you. Obama really snuffed out chances when he did the whole “docs take out tonsils to make money” thing. I don’t know about the crowd he rolls with, but the docs I know are amazingly patient centric, to use the popular jargon.
We were talking today about a co-worker’s wife’s friend. She’s a family doc working full time, doing obstetrics, and after expenses she clears maybe $60K a year. Given the opportunity cost of lost income during educational years, a bad financial decision.
And as I’ve mentioned before, the transitional costs for the US would be enormous. No way they can change. Obama’s made a huge strategic mistake in pushing something like this so soon. I don’t know why he did it – other than maybe thinking his chances at implementation were best when his popularity was at its peak.
Sometimes, I actually feel sorry for the guy. He could have had a lucrative and successful career sub-limelight. Now he’s really finding out where his pay grade is.
John,
Get a life.. If you think that anyone with a GUN got close to the President and was NOT a Secret Service Agent .. think again. The SS has snipers posted and threats will be eliminated. I have been at a lot of political events and the SS don’t muck Around..
Don’t be such an idiot talking nonsense that may get someone killed because they thought it was OK to have a gun.
john is taking a page from alinsky’s Rule 12: Pick the target, freeze it, personalize it, and polarize it
Typical of the free speech-hating left. Demonize the entire free speech of millions because a few of them show up with guns.
Myself, I can’t understand the guy bringing a gun to this meeting, BUT I’m also a canuck who is virtually disarmed by law. If I were an american who was worried about my 2nd Amendment rights, I might just do the same to make a point.
The left have demonized the protesters as healthcare insurance plants, as they’ve demonized others as “birthers”. Typical. But obama’s SEIU and ACORN thugs aren’t plants, are they? And the protestors aren’t funded by taxpayer dollars, unlike obama’s ACORN sleaze.
The lessons from obama’s playbook are undeniably fascist. He cannot stand the idea of criticism, and his flag@whitehouse.gov “snitch line” is something you’d see in “The Lives of Others”. But by all means, john, keep missing the forest for the trees. You’re proving to be a splendid obama lapdog.
mhb23re
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John would be the first one to jump in the boxcar…Nah, he’d ask to be the engine’s driver.
All aboard the Obama express straight to “the final solution”!
Barry’s health care plan would have a lot more traction if he attacked one of the main reasons why the private system is currently so costly: The suits encouraged by bloodsucking law firms.
I am curious to see if any provisions have been put in the bill to address the extreme abuses towards what is ruled as malpractise. I would not be surprized that lawyers would just continue seeking and encouraging patients to sue their doctors but this time with taxpayers footing the costs under a public system.
Lawyers are untouchable to politicians. They’re from the same cloth.
While the gun remained on that man’s thigh, it was less of a threat than the sign he was holding!! Besides, whether it was appropriate or not is irrelevant as it is his constitutional right to do it. Maybe that was his statement. We should not limit his rights to certain times or we risk going down the road of stupidity like nations such as the UK and Canada. We can say that it probably wasn’t a good idea but we canNOT say that he didn’t have a right to do it. No one was hurt and so that man is NOT a criminal nor can anyone prove that he had any criminal intentions.
John said: “Yeah weird and stupid. But you know what is like a billion times crazier? Bringing guns to townhalls.”
That you think its “weird and stupid” says a lot about you, John.
The gentleman was not threatening to kill anyone, he was not brandishing his weapon, he was wearing it. As is his -right- in that place.
Cops are armed, John. You think they are more trustworthy and more stable than “normal” people. You think the run of the mill guy on the street becomes suddenly dangerous because he’s got a pistol.
People are stupid, right John? They have to be -controlled-.
Funny how leftards talk about guns as the boogie man.
Hey John,
You whine about presidents getting killed and how irresponsible it is for someone to have a gun. So lets just see who these dead presidents are, shall we?
Well, Abe was a republican shot by a nutter stage actor who sympathized with the southern dixiecrats (he was from Maryland but was outraged that the southern democrats lost the war.) Reagan was a republican. JFK although a Dem was shot by a communist who spent time in the USSR. William McKinley was a republican killed by an anarchist. James A. Garfield was a republican.
So spare me the whining about dangerous right-wing assassins. They don’t exist. The killers who weren’t altogether deranged were on your team, john (and most of those where were deranged as well.) Garfield’s assassin was the ONLY one with ties to the GOP. He was nuts.
More over, your screeching about guns is a red herring. The Dem’s health bill is an atrocity. It’s about control, not health. If the bill was designed to extend coverage to the needy working poor (who make up the people who have no coverage and can’t afford it,) then it wouldn’t be so outrageous.
But this bill is full corruption, usurpation and thuggish bullying. And anything which channels public money to ACORN (indicted for fraud in well over 10 states – and counting) is unacceptable in a supposedly health related measure.
It isn’t the health issue which is so wrong, it’s the corruption issue and the thuggish attempt to stamp out choice.
The people going to Town Halls and shouting are doing so because it is the sole way of being heard. The left has a tendency to shout down speakers who they want to silence, these people are not trying to silence but to speak. They wouldn’t have to shout and interrupt if they were given the chance to do so but the thugs in the media, the thugs in the dems and their supporters make that impossible.
Jason – touche! Well said.
mhb
mhb said: “Myself, I can’t understand the guy bringing a gun to this meeting…”
He probably thought he might need it, given that the meeting was for sure going to be packed with ACORN astroturfers and union thugs.
I bet nobody shoved him around, eh?
See, this is the thing Canadians don’t get. Americans are FREE to protect themselves. They don’t have to put up with Guido the union/mob heavy threatening to mash their face because he doesn’t like their sign. They can carry a .45 Colt to handle Guido. So they do. And its funny, because will all the p1ssed off, armed and dangerous Right Wing Whackos at these demonstrations, nobody has got shot yet.
That’s because unlike the f-ing union/ACORN thugs, the dangerous Right Wing pistol carriers are people with some respect for their fellow man and human life in general. An armed society is a polite society.
I’d carry at one of these friggin’ “meetings”, you bet your @ss. I’d have a New York reload handy too. (For all you grass eating herd animals/trolls like John, that’s a backup piece.)
Reagan was shot but not killed. We all know that but I should have put him in a different category…
Those who ignore history are damned to repeat it.
BamBam and the demowhats are not following Alinsky’s playbook so much as Earnest Rohms….
………for John to improve his talent curve……
http://www.spartacus.schoolnet.co.uk/GERsa.htm
These aren’t “death panels”. As the current portion of the bill in question states, it’s about the patient talking with their doctors about what they want to do.
Maybe this has been addressed but since when do patients need government legislation permitting them to talk with their doctors about what they want to do?
interesting , every president was shot from somewhere left of their position, never noticed that before.
“Maybe this has been addressed but since when do patients need government legislation permitting them to talk with their doctors about what they want to do?”
I would be surprised, too, if a Dr charged an elderly patient to discuss this. Paying a doctor to initiate this conversation, and making it possible to get a DNR order right then and there makes it somewhat less than voluntary.