And I, for one, welcome his new microchip overlords;
To fairly divide the climate change fight between rich and poor, a new study suggests basing targets for emission cuts on the number of wealthy people, who are also the biggest greenhouse gas emitters, in a country.
Since about half the planet’s climate-warming emissions come from less than a billion of its people, it makes sense to follow these rich folks when setting national targets to cut carbon dioxide emissions, the authors wrote on Monday in Proceedings of the National Academy of Sciences.
my cats have those little under the skin chips/tags.
They work like a charm. . . . just hold down Al Gore for ten seconds & voila, he’ll only feel a slight pinch of discomfort.
Good-O does that mean I get charged $1 every time I fart? Kinda cuts down on the amount of beans I’ll be eating, so I’m gonna hafta get my protein from animals, especially cows, who produce more GHGs than any other lifeform. So are they gonna charge the cows for every fart? Man this enviro-cretin stuff is mind-bending. Anyone got some of that good stuff the warmists are smoking?
Wouldn’t mean that The Goracle should have an ear tag for his Tennessee mansion that uses as much electricity in a year as 40 or 50 average American homes?
When asked about that, The Goracle responded that he bought a carbon offset for his home. Since he’s the CEO and major shareholder in an international brokerage for “carbon offsets”, that means precisely nothing.
Right — that’ll work.
So exactly what is rich? In Canada I think they say a combined income of $70,000 is considered rich. Being rich sure doesn’t get you far, but I guess you can get a nice ear piece out of it.
“developed countries have historically spewed more climate-warming gases”
Where do they come up with this BS? Every morning 3 billion Chinese get up at dawn and light 1 billion hibachis. The carbon the charcoal produces in the hibachi is nothing compared to that produced to produce the charcoal. One morning equals about one years auto output in good old NA.
Stop it: my hear hurts. I think I’ll go out and fire up the truck.
I’d like to suggest another attachment location for Gore’s ID tag…
Tanker says, “especially cows, who produce more GHGs than any other lifeform”. Don’t get sucked into the warmist BS. Cows would only produce additional greenhouse gases if we fed them oil or coal. Otherwise, they are just part of the recycling process of CO2 and methane from the atmosphere, to the plants, to the cows and back to the atmosphere. Not a single new molecule of CO2 is produced. BTW, methane breaks down into CO2 and H2O – both beneficial products and necessary for the plants, the cows and us.
Mark Levin contends the wealth calculation is global and he’s right. So that means ‘wealthy people’ will include everyone from McDonalds burger flippers to the Goracle himself.
Actually, I sit corrected. I’m damn sure it won’t include the Goracle. Geez, I’m such a sceptic.
to hell with country by country, let’s do it based on net worth statements on a county-by county or riding by riding basis. the net worth number would most accurately reflect the amount of capital individuals have working for them and that are presumably generating CO2 doing it. Thus, New York and San fran and Yorkdale and Westmount would be paying the most – and C&P would disappear over night.
did these Einsteins take into account that we have to emit carbon in order not to freeze to death for 4 to 6 months a year, or that only a miniscule amount of carbon emitted in Canada ends up in the upper atmosphere? Even if you beleive the AGW fraud these people are below retarded
Aviator, buddy – my post was 100% sarcasm. There’s something really funny about blaming Bessie and her kind for global warming, so I just went with it. Considering all the other causes of global warming the idiots have “discovered” including trees, the market for funny for a planet-traitor-denier is pretty limited: the warmists have conquered the really-funny-stupid summit.
Hey… any warmists want to play? I’ll take a handicap of 100…
100 IQ points to give y’all a running chance
HAHAHAHAHA
Like a lot of other features on this site–I think that story is being taken out of context. Are you going to argue that a family of four who have two S.U.V.s, a 50 foot diesel yacht, a diesel powered motorhome and four motobikes don’t pollute the air more than a single person like myself who drives a VW Passat and walks to work every day? If you throw out ten garnbage bags a day–the city should charge you more than my one bag a week! The same goes for all other “emissions.”
Hey Joe Citizen… do a reality check… there are a lot more people like you spewing German engineered crap than there are people wealthy enough to afford what you list as emitters or pollutants. See – very few people have enough money for 4 suvs, the 50 yacht, etc. But a lot of sanctimonious birkenstock-VW wannabes drive crap like Passats. Can you say brainless strawman argument? Of course you can’t.
I say we can get a bigger bang for our buck in terms of reducing pollutants by taking you Passat-drivers off the road than the evil uber-rich who, of course are a very small percentage of the population.
Wanna play, dude? Sorry – you lose. Revise your arguments, and sunshine, I blew the engine out of a Passat on the Autobahn in Germany. That was one heck of an over-rated yuppie-mobile.
The enviro-fascists want the west punished for our culture’s success in providing for ourselves by taxing the daylights out of those of us who are productive while giving the developing countries a free pass to ignore their chicken-little screeches in the name of being ‘fair’.
So, unless they are snake-oil charlatans, are they sentencing the planet to its doom just to be ‘fair’?
(Let’s put aside for the moment the fact that CO2 is not a pollutant: it’s necessary for a plant life without which the planet would not be ‘green’, it would be dead.)
If only we were all destitute, subsisting only on insects, grubs and grass while living in earthen burrows, surely the planet would be secure.
How’s world poverty under enviro-socialism going to help the third world get out of their mire when the productive economies of the world have also succumbed to economic desolation and tyranny?
Let Gore and Suzuki be the first and second persons to show leadership by moving into holes in the ground.
What the enviro-whackos like Gore, Suzuki, Obama, and Maurice Strong really want is personal wealth and power for themselves, and subservience and control of the rest of us.
Let’s just pick a city we don’t like and tell the earth savers to go kill everyone there. If they don’t go for that it’s on them. If they do go for it a lot of them won’t survive the trip. I figure that is a win-win.
What is really sad is that these enviro-nazi’s are not aware that the wheels are falling from the their bandwagon—-they fail to see the writing on the wall…..IMNSHO…..Whackjob/Mallarky will be the high point of this ridiculous farce…..
I was in Indonesia when the communists went for a bridge too far….
Warmists all have a lamppost awaiting them…..if they are lucky……Some will be in the Passat when it becomes a carBQ…
Joe Citizen at 10:05 PM
you drive a pissant???
bet you’re a dipper voter as well
Various universities are beavering away on components of the machinery this tracking concept is going to require. The fabulous pay-as-you-drive plan, where you get taxed by the mile because your tiny GM O-Mobile gets 70mpg and the lack of gas taxes are killing the gubmint.
http://phantomsoapbox.blogspot.com/2009/07/when-good-technology-goes-bad-hacking.html
My take? If they try putting a black box in every car, said boxen will be hacked and rendered useless the first year. Guaranteed.
Good luck taxing the rich people, they can move away. Because they’re rich, duh. Its the poor people going to eat this one.
Hey Joe Citizen, has it occurred to you its none of your FRAKING BUSINESS what other people own? Or how much money they make? Or what they spend it on?
Jeeze, you people freak me some times. Free country Joe, frell off ok?
Jeez you guys! So Joe Citizen got talked into buying some piece of junk, we’ve all been there; or at least I have. I bought a Ford Aerostar, back when they were still an unknown vehicle. then again,
Fix Or Repair Daily, is still around.
Hey Joe Citizen,
A thought seemingly from the past;
Mind your own business, what I do, what I drive, where I live, it truly is none of your business – never was, never will be. Blow it out your schnauz.
I’m just totally annoyed with smug morons demanding we all live on their terms. Go away.
The scary part is that people like this have been elected……by voluntary voters, can you imagine a forced or mandatory vote?
Wait for the screams of agony when the poorest person in America finds out they are in the top 10% of the world’s wealthiest people. Now who’s paying son?
This world has gone insane.
To “Tanker the no brainer,” and “Phantom who kisses rich bottom,” and “LEDA will misleadya,” all of whom who most likely work for minimum wage and drive K-Cars to work.
The VW Passat is light years ahead of most of your “bailout” cars. If you haven’t noticed, I didn’t see the largest (German) car manufacturer in the world kneeling in front of Obama’s desk saying, “Pleeeeze Mitter Prezident, can I have an ‘udder’ dollar for hubcaps??” I’d be so ashamed of driving American garbage, I’d leave it in the garage.
My point is simple. It’s your business, or your rich Florida friend’s business, (whom unfortunately you have never met, and doesn’t know or care if you exist,) if you want to drive an American car that costs $100,000 and is made from recycled coke cans. But it’s not your business to pollute my air space.
And if you really want to know, the reason all of your American auto manufacturers are going belly up is simply because they are 100 years behind the rest of the world. Yes, FoMoCo has shown some promise, but if it isn’t out of the dark yet.
As for Larry who bought an Aerostar, I was a Ford salesman back then. One thing positive about owning an Aerostar. You got a first hand look at just how bad American cars can really get. My friend owned a courier service. In 100,000 Ks of delivering parcels, he went through two engines a a tranny and three A/C compressors. And they laugh at Passats! Ha Ha Ha Ha Ha. Now that’s really funny!!
For years I have been posting on Green sites that per capita emissions are a meaningless measurement no matter what the purpose is. My example I have used; Canada could allow 330 Million immigrants to come here, they can then live in the northern prairies and enjoy the same subsistence lifestyle and Canada would ahow a 90% reduction in per capita emissions.
So this is the “NEW” and “IMPROVED” scheme for purposes of “better environment through taxation policy”. I have to admit they are at least learning the political spin ropes, now if they could just learn the actual state of the science.
Joe Citizen
While your comments are laughable and serve no purpose, except to inform me you are a car salesman, your claims of VW technical prowess is based on a really poor understanding of automobiles and the differences in the Euro and NA markets. If your claims are correct then I would explain it to you but it is late.
Let me just leave you with this link..
Porsche to ask for German government funding ( as a result of buying VW, I am fairly sure you are as unaware of that as well )
Are people starting to realize it’s about time to start burning tires?
Nah. Wake me up when the shooting war starts. Until then I’ll be fixin to die.
Joe citizen:
post WW2 vw and all of Germany got a bailout from the USA – the Marshall plan.
People with lots of toys have already paid for their impact it’s called income tax and GST.
And if you are rich (and I hope you are) then your assets invested including bonds and GICs are earning their returns by engaging in activities that generate GHGs. And if you gave the money to charity then the recipients generated GHGs (and if they live in a third world country they may have generated lots of nasty pollutants as well).
The only way you can prevent your money from generting GHGs is to convert it to real cash (not gold or some oher preciuous metal as GHGs will be created to mine it) and bury it in your back yard. Or better yet – burn it so someone else doesn’t dig it up and spend it or invest and create ghgs. Yes, the act of burning it would be a ghg act, but it would be a onetime thing and the fire wouldn’t be really big if you used large denomination bills.
The end result of rich people truly reducing their ghg production: we all get a little (or even a lot) poorer.
Sticking up you nose at someone elses conspicuous consumption is a form of snobbery – of class warfare. The agw lobby wants to systematize it for you
and actually carry out the war to its conclusion – to return the world to its miserable primitive roots.
Oh and Joe:
don’t go thinking that composting your bills is more Eco-friendly than burning. Microbial digestion generates lots of ch4 a ghg several times more potent than co2 generated by combustion.
Just looking out for what you percieve to be in your best interests…
I read a report that said “rich” is anyone who has a carbon foot print of over 11 tons of co2 emissions..
From Revelation 13…
16He also forced everyone, small and great, rich and poor, free and slave, to receive a mark on his right hand or on his forehead, 17so that no one could buy or sell unless he had the mark, which is the name of the beast or the number of his name.
18This calls for wisdom. If anyone has insight, let him calculate the number of the beast, for it is man’s number. His number is 666.
Society has devolved so much that 24/7 surveillance has its attractions.
As much as I loathe Big Sister, she cannot possibly as awful as my neighbours or co-workers. I call it accountable living: the downside is a lack of privacy, the upside is the immediate elimination of crime and a lot of other headaches. The benefits would appear to outweigh the costs at this point.
If you were in Millhaven, by way of example, would you not want cameras everywhere to prevent getting beaten and raped?
If every human interaction were recorded, people would be more accountable and, I submit, the world would be a better place for it.
So the plan is, and has been all along, to make the rich people poor to reduce their carbon footprint. I’m sure living in a world comprised of 3rd world nations will be a joy.
National Geographic fits out animals with the “critter cam” for its TV shows.
Maybe once big brother steps it up a notch the climate popes can order them used on the “rich” for video surveillance. The technology is already there… 😉
I live in a three story walkup in Guelph. Below me is an unemployed (eco-freak) student who puts up “green” flyers and other such nonsense. A while back, I’m in my living room when clouds of smoke start entering in off my balcony; the A%@*ole has started a barbcue using the Homer-Simpson method, and it appears to be on fire (thats what I told the police). I also have a garden hose, which I used to extinguish the barbcue.
P.S. my AeroStar was a P.O.S. as well.
you’re right to wave your fists ends at my nose.
I proposed the Billionaire tax (Corps are assets and not taxable) on net worth was to start January 2009. That includes the off-shore and Swiss accounts, don’t declare them, you loose them. The 25% rate will need adjusting for new cash issuing. The wheels of the 6 billion AWC (Anti World Corp.) are slow act. Maybe they will be ready by August 2009.
I want to put the chip in Sean Penn’s ear! Me! Me!!
Well, failing that, I’m sure a lottery for the right to do the same would raise millions…
The point is that those people who pollute should pay. I’ve already said this once–I’ll say it again. If you send 10 garbage bags to city dump every day, you should pay more than my one bag a week. It’s called being responsible. As for a Passat, there’s more technology that went into the door handles than there is in entire Dodge Ram!! I know I don’t sit as high above the pavement, and I don’t get to look a at Ram’s asshole all day long, but I will pass you so fast you won’t even see my tailights!
Joe Citizen
leftards are funny. “user fees” are bad and regressive. Unless they do it.
Funny, I’ve never used a lot of government services I’m still charged for. I guess I should get a tax cut and the users of all those programs should pay more, huh? Now that “progressive” is bad.
I guess to a leftard, taxation is a way of having the state control the lives of the minions (formerly citizens) who must be told what to do and punished if they don’t. So then it matters not if there are glaring incosistencies in their logic.
Of course, the leftards scream bloody murder when control is ever turned around on them.
JC:
in most juristictions you do pay based on volume of garbage output. Maybe because you have a passat you haven’t taken a load to the dump lately. In most towns abd cities there is a limit on the number of bags you can put on the curb per week – you pay a fee to put additional ones out.
If your vehicle burns more fuel per km you pay more infuel taxes for that additional pollution.
As for your childish and obviously poorly researched assertion that passat are far more technically advanced than a ram pickup – please be informed that the “hemi” 5.7 engine is a marvel of technology using VVT, cylinder shutoff, and twin plug technology to reduce emissions and consumption while pumping out huge power and torque – all in a package that uses thirty percent fewer parts than your two cylinders fewer passat engine and in a much smaller size relative to power output (pushrod engines R much more compact than DOHCs even with the narrow v configuration that you passat has). And the manufacturing costs are far lower to boot – the narrow v casting is very expensive for example. The new rams suspension is a marvel of smoothness and ruggedness – class-leading by everyones metric.
Oh and don’t forget that VW gets it minivan from chysler.
So the plan is, and has been all along, to make the rich people poor to reduce their carbon footprint. I’m sure living in a world comprised of 3rd world nations will be a joy. (expert tom)
May I add…and one HELL of a Mess too, given the past record of environmental ‘achievements’ by the third world. Think Mexico, the USSR, Uganda, etc.
Hey Joe C. You should maybe put one of those garbage bags to good use and crawl inside it.
“Oh and don’t forget that VW gets it minivan from chysler.”
And both VW and Chrysler get their capital from the taxpayers (from taxpayers in Germany, NA respectively.)
But how do we tag them? Should we use a helicopter and trank dart rifle?
It all boils down to see how The Conservatives will implement the Cap and Trade bill in Canada.
All this so Canada can trade with the USA. I have not met ONE Canadian politician who said there is no Global Warming PUBLICALLY. Canada will be paying the same as our southern friends. The sad part is what we say to a politician does not mean a thing; they already made up their minds. Too bad, the Conservatives will be bringing in a worse bill than the LIEberals, under Biffy, could ever dream of. Many Americans voted on Ob(s)ama false promises, the cons will be no different.
In Alberta they are developing ways to fight pollution, not to giving the money to China, India and other polluting countries.
We already succeeded in defeating Global Warming – the temperatures have been cooler over the years. I think they should hold the next Global Warming Conference in “Winterpeg” in the middle of February when it is -40C. They can spend 1/2 hour on the corner of Portage and Main in their tropical clothes.
I hope they invite Gore and friends.
Did I read that correctly, someone said 24/7 surveillance would be a good thing and the pros outweigh the cons? With big sister always watching the rapes, murders, robberies all of a sudden all stop and all criminals just disappear or get caught?
That’s one of the (for lack of a better word) retarded things I’ve heard all day. You want lower crime rates and safer streets? Have law-abiding folks conceal carry for self-defense of themselves and others, history has shown that to work very effectively.
Less intrusion more freedom please, where do I sign up?