h/t Maz2 Heh. Proposed name for Stronach’s electric car – “Bricklin Bridge”
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I remember last summer when gas prices were going up and up – and I was thinking – electric car, kind of neat idea
Then, we had last winter – snow that didn’t let up, and cold cold cold
That sort of changed my perspective a bit
I hope it takes off. I really do. I hope that in 5 years there are a million Magna Zaps on the road.
Because I can’t wait to see what happens the next time Ontario goes into hot weather brown outs….
But since you mentioned cold weaher… electric heat is such an economical alternative to natural gas that you’d think every one would use it….
In an article titled “The U.S. is committing National Suicide” the author compares the U.S. takeover of Chrysler and GM with the nationalization of the British automotive industry in the 1970’s. http://factsnotfantasy.blogspot.com/2009/06/how-britain-destroyed-its-auto-industry.html
“Government control of the auto industry is now merely a prelude to its eventual end. Jobs will disappear forever. “Green jobs” are a myth. The economy will suffer a grievous loss. And, if you draw the lessons from the British experiment, you can accurately predict the future of our auto industry.
Only if control of Congress by the Democrats is ended can measures be taken that will permit the nation to turn away from the destruction being inflicted upon it. Vote in October 2010 as if your life, your children’s lives, and your grandchildren’s lives depend upon it, because it does.”
Any heaters and defrosters in these electric Bazoos ?
Good caption, Kate – plug into gov’t and drain the Taxpayer.
Frank Stronach already has his hands out for the taxpayer to help him fund his electric car venture in Canada.
To hedge his bets rumour has it he wants his daughter Belinda to once again run for parlament so he can have an insider close to our taxpayer money to hedge his bets.
Scratch a Liberal – you’ll find a millionaire cabal itching for handouts, tax havens and insider information.
Does it have a 6,000-mile-long extension cord to run David Suzuki’s electric global warming bus from the private island in B.C. to Ottawa?
And – our move to increased implementation of nuclear power in Canada is long overdue . . . . . .
“within 12 years we see 30% of all cars being electric” … pfffft That’s what all the tweaked out meth heads are sayin these days. Next they will be sayin that they see dead companies.
Bought an early model Volkswagen Beetle. Great little car until late November. With the cold it began to freeze up. Couldn’t see out the windscreen on all but the shortest of drives. Later they addes a extra gas powered heater. The car’s gas mileage dropped to below that of a Chev.
Good luck with the Electric Frank.
Anyone familiar with the golf cart will not wish to buy an electric car. You have a one in ten chance of not getting around a golf course in the damn things, imagine your chances on a long highway trip.
If it’s such an incredibly good idea, private investors will be lining up to sink their venture capital into it. If not, the government should stay away….far far away.
F*ck off Stronach. Get yer grubby paws away from my hard-earned tax dollars.
One word:BRICKLIN
Stronach’s pleading is not to be written off as he is a first-class salesman*. Stronach also has a machine and daughter Belinda, dubbed by the MSM as a “Rock [and Roll] Star”.
IOW, a gambler* with your money.
What’s the word? Bunko artist? Mao Stlong. Alfonso Gagliano, aka The Vintner. Chretien/MartinJr. Soapy Smith*?
Meanwhile here is some sanity:
“Seems to us we might better spend our money protecting our power grid and high-tech infrastructure against such a possibility rather than worrying about the emission standards for our cars.”
“Apocalypse Sun?
By INVESTOR’S BUSINESS DAILY | Posted Tuesday,
Climate Change:
NASA predicts the lowest sunspot activity since 1928. Is a major solar storm in the offing? While we worry about man-made warming, the sun may soon show us who’s boss.”
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*”A gambler is one who teaches and illustrates the folly of avarice; he is a non-ordained preacher on the vagaries of fortune and how to make doubt a certainty. He is one who, in his amusements, eliminates the element of chance; chance is merely the minister in his workshop of luck; money has no value except to back a good hand.” http://www.legendsofamerica.com/we-soapysmith.html
demand drives supply. Manufactured demand for an electric car is currently being supplied by the “greenies”, and people are moving to meet that demand. Beyond the hyped demand for an electric car is the reality that an electric car is probably just going to drive up the use of coal-fired generating plants. And increase the costs of electricity. And when the current wave of support for the environmental focus recedes, the demand for the electric car will drop, and anyone who invested their own money in the electric car market will be screwed. Might as well be the taxpayer, the only investor who has no choice or say about how (or even whether) his money is spent.
Hey how about a ethanol/electric hybrid so we can have food rationing and brown outs!
Belinda screwed over the Conservatives. Dad will show her how it is done and screw over everyone.As noted in an earlier comment,remember the Edsel. Hopefully Frank will name this boondoggle ‘the Belinda’.It’ll turn over on the coldest morning,but if you want reliability,buy a dog.
What does he need money to develop for, he already developed with Ford???
Huh?
What exactly would the loan be for, and what would we get out of it?
Very confusing.
Sounds like he has taken a page from the bombardier and power corp book. It still rankles that power corp pays dividends to the desmerais and yet gets subsidies.
Why deface the Tower of Victory and Peace? What does this have to do with our memorial to our Great War soldiers? If you must plug it in, I suggest the Centre Block.
I favor the rickshaw, drawn exclusively by Christian males of European descent fed on vegan diets.
Social justice and biofuels “harnessed” simultaneously.
Frank’s pitch from the rail*:
“I got the horse right here/His name is Paul Revere
And here’s a guy who says if the weather’s clear
Can do, can do/This guy says the horse can do
If he says the horse can do, can do, can do”.
More sweetness from Soapy, er Frank.
Trust me, “I would never ask”.
Get in on it, Frank warns. Hurry, says Frank.
Pick a card, any card.
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Frank:
“”Let me put it this way, I would never ask for grants,” he said of his ambitious electric car plan.
Stronach said the plan would benefit from some public involvement, but will go forward no matter what role Ottawa or Ontario plays in the final scheme.
“If we would get a favourable loan, I think we could accelerate job creation; if not, we would just go (forward), as we always have done.””
urlm.in/cobi (ctv)
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*The Horse Racing Hall of Shame: More on Magna’s Slaughter Ban
More on Magna’s Slaughter Ban. Track policy seeks to protect horses … Many race horses can become riding, show, jumping or trail horses. …
horseracingshame.blogspot.com/2008/12/more-on-magnas-slaughter-ban.html
(H/T GuysandDolls)
Not much room left on The Hill . . . full of scammers looking for handouts and whiners looking for handouts and the Tamils looking for support for their version of terrorism.
Wonder if they can still Change the Guard ? The Goo-Goo-Foo-Goos & the Grens need a little space to parade.
The Financial Post omitted to mention the proposed name of Stronach’s new electric car: the Bricklin Bridge.
What annoys me is that it is very likely that no one in the press has asked Stronach where he got the 30% in 12 years number. Maybe they were already up in his a$$ where it originated.
Electric cars remain tinker toys for guilt ridden urban trend-slaves with more disposable income than brains.
Until battery and e-motor technology evolve to a point where they can deliver the amperage and drive wheel power needed to make an electric vehicle functionally capable and affordable, hauling 4 passengers and trunk of groceries or highway speed distance driving is just a dream not ready for the drawing board.
Will Ontario burn more coal so that people can recharge their electric potpots?
What about the huge and expensive batteries that needs to be replaced every 5 years? Landfill? Or expensive depots and recycle facilities?
This reminds me of bottle water…
There’s also a reason why hydrogen cars are not taking off: It takes huge amounts of electricity to produce hydrogen.
The only option that could make sense would be more nuclear and hydro powered plants which don’t create carbon but it would take so much of it, there’s not enough uranium on the planet or rivers and waterways far enough from Indians and environuts to make it worthwhile.
And you end up still stuck with tons of expired batteries.
There is no doubt that there will probably be viable electric vehicles in Canada’s future but it won’t and shouldn’t be done on the taxpayer’s dime. The technology will come, there is no doubt of that. When I got into the electronics field the transistor was a big deal, and lets not forget how far aviation has progressed in a mere 100 years. Fact is though that Orvil and Wilber or even McCurdy didn’t go looking for government cash first. Hell, in Canada there wasn’t even an income tax!
Second point is that with electric cars and trucks, we still need a vast supply of energy. Remember, a battery stores energy, it does not create it. You got to plug in those puppies somewhere. Judging from my electrical bill for heating my house from last month I’d say I wouldn’t want to plug in those electric roller skates into my plug.
Besides, only electric cars around here can carry two people and a bag of groceries. And heaven help you if you have to travel on the highway to get home.
As to the environmental issues of mining and processing the materials to make a kigillion battereis, lets not even go there.
What’s significantly different about electric cars built with public capital because private finance won’t touch the venture with a barge-pole is that you don’t have to grease the wheels, but you sure have to grease the palms.
Frank Stronach is merely doing what any capitalist worthy of the name would do: if the saps in government are willing to give him money, he’ll take it.
Nothing ventured, nothing gain.
Sorry!
That should have been “nothing gained” of course.
And when are the electric car owners going to pay their road tax? When they licence or with a GPS system that bills them when they move?
http://www.smalldeadanimals.com/archives/011536.html#c395905
“This reminds me of bottle water…
There’s also a reason why hydrogen cars are not taking off: It takes huge amounts of electricity to produce hydrogen. ”
Well, duh Terry Tory, then we just need to build more non-carbon-producing hydrogen-powered electricity plants. Why do you have to make these things so difficult??
Meanwhile, the consumers are rewarding Ford.
DEARBORN, Mich., June 2, 2009 /PRNewswire-FirstCall via COMTEX/ — F | Quote | Chart | News | PowerRating — — Ford, Lincoln and Mercury market share grows to highest level since 2006
— Ford sales totaled 155,954, up 20 percent versus April, and the highest sales for any month since July 2008
— Stronger sales reduce inventories, prompting Ford to announce production increases for second, third quarter. http://www.tradingmarkets.com/.site/news/Stock%20News/2356443/
“Hi Frank it’s Jim, … Good thanks, How are you?
Great Great,…uh ya , getting back to you on that car thing, uhm, No can do buddy, .
Can’t do it, we’re not in the car business at all, thanks for thinking of us though, talk to ya soon.
No problem.
Bye for now.”
How hard is that?
Anybody wanna buy a gold brick…lin?
Now would be a good time for Steve Harper to earn his Conservative label, and formally wish Mr. Stronach luck in his new PRIVATE electric car endeavor.
Maybe promise to remove some of the more idiotic regulations to smooth the way. I could get behind that.
Here in Alberta we (electricity consumers) are facing a new $8/month fee for upgrading the electrical transmission system so it can handle the increased conventional load.
How much more will that be when we are all driving plug-in cars?
And how much more on top of that for the Green Tax?
Anyone has an idea what would be an effect on electrical grid if 30% percent of cars would be connected for charging?
Until some really new battery technology is proven, think oversize golf cart. (Sans l’appareil de chauffage)
As far as I know, golf carts still use lead acid. One would think that huge electric vehicle market would use the latest and greatest technology if it was available.
BTW, where is that Tony Violin guy ?
“One of the main reasons I’m here today . . . is that I would like to see that the first electrical car facilities are in Canada.”
Stronach is to be commended for that vision thingy. Now if he could just envision using a bank or the stock market to raise the money he needs…
Somewhere, in the not too distant future…
Hey boss, it’s me. Could’nt get to work today, my electric car’s batterie is dead. Needs recharging…
Did you forget to plug it in last night?
No, no. It took most of the power just to get out of my subdivision with all that snow we got again last night…You know they only plow once a week now. It’s President Al Gore Jr’s new green law.
Well, a part from me and the 2 others I pick up in my mandatory car pooling, every one else is either late or have already called in with the same issue.
So I’m going to close the office again today.
We will need to pick up the slack guys…Secratery of the atmosphere Britney Pelosi wants us to make sure we finish what Chairman Obama had started: By years end, all remaining carbon propelled cars; including mine, are to be replaced by subsidized Government Motors electric ones. Global warming is still our dear leader’s number one concern.
But boss, it’s been cold and snowy for days now and winter kicked in early this year, just like last year where we also had a late spring…I don’t understand…
What? You are going to question authority? Don’t you remember what happened to those who question too much? It is unpatriotic. It is Obama’s legacy.
I want you to repent by going for a reflection time out at your neighborhood sanctuary statue of the Great O…As you well know, all of this conversation was recorded and will be reviewed by the transparacy group at ACORN. So make sure you pick up your attendance stub at the sanctuary. You will be on probation afterwards so think before you express your thoughts at loud. You know, you also put me under scrutiny!
I want my privilege of serving to continue. I don’t want to end up like the others and be sent to the detention facility formelly known as Texas.
they will be manufacturing them in nfld. , there is a ex sprung greenhouse site ,just waiting for a plant, big electrical service already up to the edge of the site.
Danny and Frank with their palms up, I can see the press conferance now.
MSM’s ‘Rock [and Roll] Star’ declines; but, no means yes, no?
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“The return of Belinda? NOT!
Insider report from CTV’s Robert Fife indicates the federal Liberals are searching for a Ontario riding for the possible return of ‘Rock Star’ Belinda Stronach… developing. UPDATE: Well placed sources inform National Newswatch that Strronach is not considering a ‘Rock Star’ return to politics.”
(nationalnewswatch)
[ But Mr. Stronach has a dilemma. He has helped save GM from the embarrassment and cost of having its European operations placed in bankruptcy protection.
But General Motors has insisted as part of the deal that Opel vehicles not be sold in the U.S. market. ]
[..]
[ Assembling cars for the Canadian market alone makes little economic sense, one senior industry executive said yesterday.]
OweBama > GM CEO in pocket > tarrif barrier > electric Magna not viable > sda warns of OweBama protectionism long ago > media silence > media suicide http://www.globeinvestor.com/servlet/story/GAM.20090603.RAUTOSOPEL03ART1940/GIStory/
Xiat asks: “Anyone has an idea what would be an effect on electrical grid if 30% percent of cars would be connected for charging?”
Yes, I do. The effect would be that it would melt. Right before all the transformers in the system went on fire. Then all your lights would go off and stay off for like a year or two.
Curiously, this is also what happens when you attempt to put a 5000kw wind turbine on a rural power transmission line. The power line melts. Like a Popsicle.
Sometimes I still see the odd Bricklin cruising around in its birthplace, NB.
An amazing museum piece (of crap), still living against all odds, kind of like the Liberal Party.
Kate: “Because I can’t wait to see what happens the next time Ontario goes into hot weather brown outs….”
And how, exactly, would electric cars affect this? Electric cars would almost all be recharged at night, where even in the summer, there are at least 2 TW of excess capacity in the summer from midnight to 6 am – that’s 6 hours, or 21,600 seconds. So, that’s 43 PJ (that’s petajoules 10^15) of available energy. Assume 4 million electric cars – there’s an average of 4.3 * 10^16 divided by 4 * 10^6 or about 1 * 10^10 J per car available. That’s 10 million joules per car.
Assume you have a 100 km total commute that takes 90 minutes, or 5.4*10^3 seconds. You have 1 * 10^10 divided by 5.4*10^3 or approximately 2 * 10^6 Watts of power available. That’s roughly 2,500 HP per vehicle.
Now, I’ve discounted a lot of things – energy losses in conversion and transmission, friction, etc. But even if I’m off by 90% (not bloody likely, but I’m conservative), there’s still 250 hp of power available per vehicle.
Now, you were saying?
A single generating plant in Eastlake, Ohio (a suburb of Cleveland) went offline amid high electrical demand, and that strained high-voltage power lines (located in a distant rural setting) later went out of service when they came in contact with “overgrown trees”(while they were “melting like popsicles” as the Phantom would say. The cascading effect that resulted ultimately forced the shutdown of more than 100 power plants.
This is what they called The Northeast Blackout of 2003.
The blackout affected an estimated 10 million people in the Canadian province of Ontario and 45 million people in eight U.S. states.
basically FROM: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/2003_North_America_blackout#Background
One. Single. Generating plant in Eastlake, Ohio went down.
It’s nightime, it’s a loooong brownout.
So now how do all your electric cars charge up, Kevin B?
Bricklin… Malcolm Bricklin. Of halfassed Bricklin SV1 flop infamy. Of Yugo flop infamy. Got dumb-lucky with Subaru import.
Enter the Dark Lords… Maurice Strong and Obama puppetmaster George Soros… Business Partnership from Hell http://www.canadafreepress.com/2006/cover061506.htm
Hey, how’s about that… I just did an impression of Maz2!
Kevin B.
you think you can draw 250 HP on your home circuit.
better think again.
a 250 HP electric motor doesnt use 12 or 14 gauge wire, it would melt a normal junction box.
Bricklin Bridge?
At least he could of called it Piezo Tower.
I remember last summer when gas prices were going up and up – and I was thinking – electric car, kind of neat idea
Then, we had last winter – snow that didn’t let up, and cold cold cold
That sort of changed my perspective a bit
I hope it takes off. I really do. I hope that in 5 years there are a million Magna Zaps on the road.
Because I can’t wait to see what happens the next time Ontario goes into hot weather brown outs….
But since you mentioned cold weaher… electric heat is such an economical alternative to natural gas that you’d think every one would use it….
In an article titled “The U.S. is committing National Suicide” the author compares the U.S. takeover of Chrysler and GM with the nationalization of the British automotive industry in the 1970’s.
http://factsnotfantasy.blogspot.com/2009/06/how-britain-destroyed-its-auto-industry.html
“Government control of the auto industry is now merely a prelude to its eventual end. Jobs will disappear forever. “Green jobs” are a myth. The economy will suffer a grievous loss. And, if you draw the lessons from the British experiment, you can accurately predict the future of our auto industry.
Only if control of Congress by the Democrats is ended can measures be taken that will permit the nation to turn away from the destruction being inflicted upon it. Vote in October 2010 as if your life, your children’s lives, and your grandchildren’s lives depend upon it, because it does.”
Any heaters and defrosters in these electric Bazoos ?
Good caption, Kate – plug into gov’t and drain the Taxpayer.
Frank Stronach already has his hands out for the taxpayer to help him fund his electric car venture in Canada.
To hedge his bets rumour has it he wants his daughter Belinda to once again run for parlament so he can have an insider close to our taxpayer money to hedge his bets.
Scratch a Liberal – you’ll find a millionaire cabal itching for handouts, tax havens and insider information.
Does it have a 6,000-mile-long extension cord to run David Suzuki’s electric global warming bus from the private island in B.C. to Ottawa?
And – our move to increased implementation of nuclear power in Canada is long overdue . . . . . .
“within 12 years we see 30% of all cars being electric” … pfffft That’s what all the tweaked out meth heads are sayin these days. Next they will be sayin that they see dead companies.
Bought an early model Volkswagen Beetle. Great little car until late November. With the cold it began to freeze up. Couldn’t see out the windscreen on all but the shortest of drives. Later they addes a extra gas powered heater. The car’s gas mileage dropped to below that of a Chev.
Good luck with the Electric Frank.
Anyone familiar with the golf cart will not wish to buy an electric car. You have a one in ten chance of not getting around a golf course in the damn things, imagine your chances on a long highway trip.
If it’s such an incredibly good idea, private investors will be lining up to sink their venture capital into it. If not, the government should stay away….far far away.
F*ck off Stronach. Get yer grubby paws away from my hard-earned tax dollars.
One word:BRICKLIN
Stronach’s pleading is not to be written off as he is a first-class salesman*. Stronach also has a machine and daughter Belinda, dubbed by the MSM as a “Rock [and Roll] Star”.
IOW, a gambler* with your money.
What’s the word? Bunko artist? Mao Stlong. Alfonso Gagliano, aka The Vintner. Chretien/MartinJr. Soapy Smith*?
Meanwhile here is some sanity:
“Seems to us we might better spend our money protecting our power grid and high-tech infrastructure against such a possibility rather than worrying about the emission standards for our cars.”
“Apocalypse Sun?
By INVESTOR’S BUSINESS DAILY | Posted Tuesday,
Climate Change:
NASA predicts the lowest sunspot activity since 1928. Is a major solar storm in the offing? While we worry about man-made warming, the sun may soon show us who’s boss.”
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*”A gambler is one who teaches and illustrates the folly of avarice; he is a non-ordained preacher on the vagaries of fortune and how to make doubt a certainty. He is one who, in his amusements, eliminates the element of chance; chance is merely the minister in his workshop of luck; money has no value except to back a good hand.”
http://www.legendsofamerica.com/we-soapysmith.html
demand drives supply. Manufactured demand for an electric car is currently being supplied by the “greenies”, and people are moving to meet that demand. Beyond the hyped demand for an electric car is the reality that an electric car is probably just going to drive up the use of coal-fired generating plants. And increase the costs of electricity. And when the current wave of support for the environmental focus recedes, the demand for the electric car will drop, and anyone who invested their own money in the electric car market will be screwed. Might as well be the taxpayer, the only investor who has no choice or say about how (or even whether) his money is spent.
Hey how about a ethanol/electric hybrid so we can have food rationing and brown outs!
Belinda screwed over the Conservatives. Dad will show her how it is done and screw over everyone.As noted in an earlier comment,remember the Edsel. Hopefully Frank will name this boondoggle ‘the Belinda’.It’ll turn over on the coldest morning,but if you want reliability,buy a dog.
What does he need money to develop for, he already developed with Ford???
Huh?
What exactly would the loan be for, and what would we get out of it?
Very confusing.
Sounds like he has taken a page from the bombardier and power corp book. It still rankles that power corp pays dividends to the desmerais and yet gets subsidies.
Why deface the Tower of Victory and Peace? What does this have to do with our memorial to our Great War soldiers? If you must plug it in, I suggest the Centre Block.
I favor the rickshaw, drawn exclusively by Christian males of European descent fed on vegan diets.
Social justice and biofuels “harnessed” simultaneously.
Frank’s pitch from the rail*:
“I got the horse right here/His name is Paul Revere
And here’s a guy who says if the weather’s clear
Can do, can do/This guy says the horse can do
If he says the horse can do, can do, can do”.
More sweetness from Soapy, er Frank.
Trust me, “I would never ask”.
Get in on it, Frank warns. Hurry, says Frank.
Pick a card, any card.
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Frank:
“”Let me put it this way, I would never ask for grants,” he said of his ambitious electric car plan.
Stronach said the plan would benefit from some public involvement, but will go forward no matter what role Ottawa or Ontario plays in the final scheme.
“If we would get a favourable loan, I think we could accelerate job creation; if not, we would just go (forward), as we always have done.””
urlm.in/cobi (ctv)
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*The Horse Racing Hall of Shame: More on Magna’s Slaughter Ban
More on Magna’s Slaughter Ban. Track policy seeks to protect horses … Many race horses can become riding, show, jumping or trail horses. …
horseracingshame.blogspot.com/2008/12/more-on-magnas-slaughter-ban.html
(H/T GuysandDolls)
Not much room left on The Hill . . . full of scammers looking for handouts and whiners looking for handouts and the Tamils looking for support for their version of terrorism.
Wonder if they can still Change the Guard ? The Goo-Goo-Foo-Goos & the Grens need a little space to parade.
The Financial Post omitted to mention the proposed name of Stronach’s new electric car: the Bricklin Bridge.
What annoys me is that it is very likely that no one in the press has asked Stronach where he got the 30% in 12 years number. Maybe they were already up in his a$$ where it originated.
Electric cars remain tinker toys for guilt ridden urban trend-slaves with more disposable income than brains.
Until battery and e-motor technology evolve to a point where they can deliver the amperage and drive wheel power needed to make an electric vehicle functionally capable and affordable, hauling 4 passengers and trunk of groceries or highway speed distance driving is just a dream not ready for the drawing board.
Will Ontario burn more coal so that people can recharge their electric potpots?
What about the huge and expensive batteries that needs to be replaced every 5 years? Landfill? Or expensive depots and recycle facilities?
This reminds me of bottle water…
There’s also a reason why hydrogen cars are not taking off: It takes huge amounts of electricity to produce hydrogen.
The only option that could make sense would be more nuclear and hydro powered plants which don’t create carbon but it would take so much of it, there’s not enough uranium on the planet or rivers and waterways far enough from Indians and environuts to make it worthwhile.
And you end up still stuck with tons of expired batteries.
There is no doubt that there will probably be viable electric vehicles in Canada’s future but it won’t and shouldn’t be done on the taxpayer’s dime. The technology will come, there is no doubt of that. When I got into the electronics field the transistor was a big deal, and lets not forget how far aviation has progressed in a mere 100 years. Fact is though that Orvil and Wilber or even McCurdy didn’t go looking for government cash first. Hell, in Canada there wasn’t even an income tax!
Second point is that with electric cars and trucks, we still need a vast supply of energy. Remember, a battery stores energy, it does not create it. You got to plug in those puppies somewhere. Judging from my electrical bill for heating my house from last month I’d say I wouldn’t want to plug in those electric roller skates into my plug.
Besides, only electric cars around here can carry two people and a bag of groceries. And heaven help you if you have to travel on the highway to get home.
As to the environmental issues of mining and processing the materials to make a kigillion battereis, lets not even go there.
What’s significantly different about electric cars built with public capital because private finance won’t touch the venture with a barge-pole is that you don’t have to grease the wheels, but you sure have to grease the palms.
Frank Stronach is merely doing what any capitalist worthy of the name would do: if the saps in government are willing to give him money, he’ll take it.
Nothing ventured, nothing gain.
Sorry!
That should have been “nothing gained” of course.
And when are the electric car owners going to pay their road tax? When they licence or with a GPS system that bills them when they move?
http://www.smalldeadanimals.com/archives/011536.html#c395905
“This reminds me of bottle water…
There’s also a reason why hydrogen cars are not taking off: It takes huge amounts of electricity to produce hydrogen. ”
Well, duh Terry Tory, then we just need to build more non-carbon-producing hydrogen-powered electricity plants. Why do you have to make these things so difficult??
Meanwhile, the consumers are rewarding Ford.
DEARBORN, Mich., June 2, 2009 /PRNewswire-FirstCall via COMTEX/ — F | Quote | Chart | News | PowerRating — — Ford, Lincoln and Mercury market share grows to highest level since 2006
— Ford sales totaled 155,954, up 20 percent versus April, and the highest sales for any month since July 2008
— Stronger sales reduce inventories, prompting Ford to announce production increases for second, third quarter.
http://www.tradingmarkets.com/.site/news/Stock%20News/2356443/
“Hi Frank it’s Jim, … Good thanks, How are you?
Great Great,…uh ya , getting back to you on that car thing, uhm, No can do buddy, .
Can’t do it, we’re not in the car business at all, thanks for thinking of us though, talk to ya soon.
No problem.
Bye for now.”
How hard is that?
Anybody wanna buy a gold brick…lin?
Now would be a good time for Steve Harper to earn his Conservative label, and formally wish Mr. Stronach luck in his new PRIVATE electric car endeavor.
Maybe promise to remove some of the more idiotic regulations to smooth the way. I could get behind that.
Here in Alberta we (electricity consumers) are facing a new $8/month fee for upgrading the electrical transmission system so it can handle the increased conventional load.
How much more will that be when we are all driving plug-in cars?
And how much more on top of that for the Green Tax?
Anyone has an idea what would be an effect on electrical grid if 30% percent of cars would be connected for charging?
Until some really new battery technology is proven, think oversize golf cart. (Sans l’appareil de chauffage)
As far as I know, golf carts still use lead acid. One would think that huge electric vehicle market would use the latest and greatest technology if it was available.
BTW, where is that Tony Violin guy ?
“One of the main reasons I’m here today . . . is that I would like to see that the first electrical car facilities are in Canada.”
Stronach is to be commended for that vision thingy. Now if he could just envision using a bank or the stock market to raise the money he needs…
Somewhere, in the not too distant future…
Hey boss, it’s me. Could’nt get to work today, my electric car’s batterie is dead. Needs recharging…
Did you forget to plug it in last night?
No, no. It took most of the power just to get out of my subdivision with all that snow we got again last night…You know they only plow once a week now. It’s President Al Gore Jr’s new green law.
Well, a part from me and the 2 others I pick up in my mandatory car pooling, every one else is either late or have already called in with the same issue.
So I’m going to close the office again today.
We will need to pick up the slack guys…Secratery of the atmosphere Britney Pelosi wants us to make sure we finish what Chairman Obama had started: By years end, all remaining carbon propelled cars; including mine, are to be replaced by subsidized Government Motors electric ones. Global warming is still our dear leader’s number one concern.
But boss, it’s been cold and snowy for days now and winter kicked in early this year, just like last year where we also had a late spring…I don’t understand…
What? You are going to question authority? Don’t you remember what happened to those who question too much? It is unpatriotic. It is Obama’s legacy.
I want you to repent by going for a reflection time out at your neighborhood sanctuary statue of the Great O…As you well know, all of this conversation was recorded and will be reviewed by the transparacy group at ACORN. So make sure you pick up your attendance stub at the sanctuary. You will be on probation afterwards so think before you express your thoughts at loud. You know, you also put me under scrutiny!
I want my privilege of serving to continue. I don’t want to end up like the others and be sent to the detention facility formelly known as Texas.
they will be manufacturing them in nfld. , there is a ex sprung greenhouse site ,just waiting for a plant, big electrical service already up to the edge of the site.
Danny and Frank with their palms up, I can see the press conferance now.
MSM’s ‘Rock [and Roll] Star’ declines; but, no means yes, no?
…-
“The return of Belinda? NOT!
Insider report from CTV’s Robert Fife indicates the federal Liberals are searching for a Ontario riding for the possible return of ‘Rock Star’ Belinda Stronach… developing. UPDATE: Well placed sources inform National Newswatch that Strronach is not considering a ‘Rock Star’ return to politics.”
(nationalnewswatch)
[ But Mr. Stronach has a dilemma. He has helped save GM from the embarrassment and cost of having its European operations placed in bankruptcy protection.
But General Motors has insisted as part of the deal that Opel vehicles not be sold in the U.S. market. ]
[..]
[ Assembling cars for the Canadian market alone makes little economic sense, one senior industry executive said yesterday.]
OweBama > GM CEO in pocket > tarrif barrier > electric Magna not viable > sda warns of OweBama protectionism long ago > media silence > media suicide
http://www.globeinvestor.com/servlet/story/GAM.20090603.RAUTOSOPEL03ART1940/GIStory/
Xiat asks: “Anyone has an idea what would be an effect on electrical grid if 30% percent of cars would be connected for charging?”
Yes, I do. The effect would be that it would melt. Right before all the transformers in the system went on fire. Then all your lights would go off and stay off for like a year or two.
Curiously, this is also what happens when you attempt to put a 5000kw wind turbine on a rural power transmission line. The power line melts. Like a Popsicle.
Sometimes I still see the odd Bricklin cruising around in its birthplace, NB.
An amazing museum piece (of crap), still living against all odds, kind of like the Liberal Party.
Kate: “Because I can’t wait to see what happens the next time Ontario goes into hot weather brown outs….”
And how, exactly, would electric cars affect this? Electric cars would almost all be recharged at night, where even in the summer, there are at least 2 TW of excess capacity in the summer from midnight to 6 am – that’s 6 hours, or 21,600 seconds. So, that’s 43 PJ (that’s petajoules 10^15) of available energy. Assume 4 million electric cars – there’s an average of 4.3 * 10^16 divided by 4 * 10^6 or about 1 * 10^10 J per car available. That’s 10 million joules per car.
Assume you have a 100 km total commute that takes 90 minutes, or 5.4*10^3 seconds. You have 1 * 10^10 divided by 5.4*10^3 or approximately 2 * 10^6 Watts of power available. That’s roughly 2,500 HP per vehicle.
Now, I’ve discounted a lot of things – energy losses in conversion and transmission, friction, etc. But even if I’m off by 90% (not bloody likely, but I’m conservative), there’s still 250 hp of power available per vehicle.
Now, you were saying?
A single generating plant in Eastlake, Ohio (a suburb of Cleveland) went offline amid high electrical demand, and that strained high-voltage power lines (located in a distant rural setting) later went out of service when they came in contact with “overgrown trees”(while they were “melting like popsicles” as the Phantom would say. The cascading effect that resulted ultimately forced the shutdown of more than 100 power plants.
This is what they called The Northeast Blackout of 2003.
The blackout affected an estimated 10 million people in the Canadian province of Ontario and 45 million people in eight U.S. states.
basically FROM:
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/2003_North_America_blackout#Background
One. Single. Generating plant in Eastlake, Ohio went down.
It’s nightime, it’s a loooong brownout.
So now how do all your electric cars charge up, Kevin B?
Bricklin… Malcolm Bricklin. Of halfassed Bricklin SV1 flop infamy. Of Yugo flop infamy. Got dumb-lucky with Subaru import.
Enter the Dark Lords… Maurice Strong and Obama puppetmaster George Soros…
Business Partnership from Hell
http://www.canadafreepress.com/2006/cover061506.htm
Hey, how’s about that… I just did an impression of Maz2!
Kevin B.
you think you can draw 250 HP on your home circuit.
better think again.
a 250 HP electric motor doesnt use 12 or 14 gauge wire, it would melt a normal junction box.
Bricklin Bridge?
At least he could of called it Piezo Tower.