145 Replies to “Influential Muslim Beheads Wife In Rijadh”
rose
**** Good thing there is two stage of hell in Islam, when their god is done with him my god and the Jewish god will make sure he rots in perpetual enternity of misery and hell fire.****
in my world (all three of those religions are Abrahamic based)they are all one and the same god, and this god lives with the easter bunny and santa clause
BTW-some real news from Niagara.
A Dash Q400 fell out of the sky near Buffalo
on feb 10, 10:15 pm.All fifty crew and passengers plus one person in his house died.RIP
I posted on this topic the other day. I still stand by it no matter how many play the equivalnace game.
Revnant Dream
February 13, 2009
Muzzammil Hassan is the founder and chief executive officer of Bridges TV, which he launched in 2004, amid hopes that it would help portray Muslims in a more positive light.
If these are the peaceful ones. Than who are the bad?
Immigration within an Islamic context is Invasion at worst , colonization at best. They perceive they are at war with us. Muslims are told by Religious & Secular leaders not to assimilate. I don’t say it! They do every day. All over the world in action & word. Ending in thousands dying monthly by the hand of this “Religion of Peace”. Name a place on Earth this scourge is not bombing or in violent protest with its hosts?
The UN has become a sanctuary for Blasphemy laws against Islam. No one listens because the idea horrifies them. Our politicians quake at there own mistake in fear, while our Academics play at ‘Who loves Marx best”. Our Elites have retreated into a make believe world of Utopian nonsense. We are at war folks, & trying to deny it while our enemies don’t is not going to make it go away. It makes us meat for there eating.
The use of Mutilation with head chopping seems to be their specialty. With genital mutilation being a happy second choice. The Koran is the best evidence anyone needs to see where appeasing this blood religion will get you. No matter how they try to portray it. You can only deny reality for a short time before it bites you.
JMO
NOTES FROM A PEACEFUL RELIGION http://themcj.com/?p=2748#comment-8026
horny toad – you can’t come to any logical, i.e., valid conclusion with your sentences.
That’s because, as an argument, your references are to particular rather than universals terms (HE is Muslim, HE murdered his wife)and you are missing what is called ‘the middle term’. This means that your two ‘slightly universal terms’ (beheading is common among radical Muslims, beheading is not common in N. America) can’t be linked to the particular HE.
All you can reasonably say is that HE beheaded his wife; HE is a Muslim. You can’t connect the two (beheading and Muslim as causal).
Since I’m sure you haven’t studied logic, then this may be meaningless.
Gym – sterotyping and profiling are two different things. My point has only been that one cannot make the statement that BECAUSE he is a Muslim, THEN, he killed his wife. All one can say is that he IS Muslim; and he killed his wife. You can’t connect the two as causal and that’s what some here seem to be trying to do. That’s all.
b_C “do the words “penchant,” “predilection,” “predisposition,” “proclivity” or “tendency,” among others, hold any particular meaning in your universe?”
A TV station to promote Muslim’s in a better light – then beheads wife. Actions speak louder than words.
But according to the Kleenex Crowd, we are all suppose to ignore the “penchant,” “predilection,” “predisposition,” “proclivity” or “tendency,” thingies. And take Professor Talking-head’s word’s on CBC as gospel.
i think everyone here is missing the point…you’ve all become de-sensitized after a decade of reading about these muslim abominations…
the point is what kind of insane deranged culture has evolved such a demented disgusting vile method of offing their enemy…ferkrissakes they’re sawing someone’s head off which takes more than a few moments….NOT simply busting a cap in their ass.
remember the greyhound bus beheader ?…HE was genuinely insane….these muslim dreck perceive the decapitation of their enemy as a ‘normal’ retribution….
i tell you…these muslims must have VERY interesting thoughts…and when you think the sickos are all around us now….oof but it gives me the shivers it does…
Because of their indoctrination into the Islamic ideology, which includes Shariah approved misogyny, Muslim men have a greater propensity to do violence to women. This is proven in the Pakistan Institute of Medical Sciences stats. And in the newspaper everyday.
End of story.
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if you’re a teenager having your pals over for drinks, etc. and the bookends are discovered alarmingly like your moms pumpkin, then what are the odds you’re a muzzie?
I think it’s foolish to try to separate religion and culture. Science for sure can be separated.
foooosh.
Swing and a miss. The story here isn’t that a man murdered his wife because she was divorcing him (religion in this matter being irrelevant.)
The story here is a Muslim leader trying to put lipstick on the sow and failing miserably.
Now lets re-focus.
In Canada he’d undoubtedly end up with meds and a day-pass due to “major mental illness” or in recognition of the fact that he was simply carrying out his religious – sorry, make that cultural – traditions.
ET: your hair-splitting about causality is moot.
Beheading is a well-established historical and contemporary reality of Islam. It occurs where ever Islam is at all established.
We are informed by today’s PC critics, however, that beheading is an act that only “radicals” carry out… you know, the supposed “minority” group of Muslims who have hijacked Islam, a “religion of peace.”
The point here is that Muzzammil Hassan is by all accounts the picture perfect “moderate” Muslim. Yet when faced with a potential divorce, he didn’t just kill his wife; he beheaded her.
That draws into serious question whether or not beheading is a “radical” action.
That’s the point here.
Please don’t swallow the camel while straining out the gnat.
You want reality & how bob raes little darling omar khdar harvested his hands & feet go to :http://mypetjawa.mu.nu/
Scroll down to al shahab beheading.Very graphic,not for squeamish.
Off-topic, profuse apologies, but FWIW, I must declare, briefly, that I believe the “Highwayman” is an undercover Leftist.
I noted that he doesn’t consider, on his blog, anything Islamic or socialist/neocommunist/”progressive to be an “enemy of democracy & freedom”. Just Christians, Jews, America, Canada, Israel… Typical Leftist.
Just FWIW.
And as for ET, I’m not sure. ET, I suggest you question yourself, become humble… are you sure, by watching the contemporary real world, that you know what you’re talking about on Islam? Don’t answer me… ask yourself.
ET is like the tobacco lawyer pointing to the cancer victim and telling the court that it is impossible to prove that tobacco caused her cancer.
Islam is a totalitarian religion. It is not just spiritual, it is political and military. It can’t be separated from the culture, since it molds the culture.
Someone needs to set up a secret convent so Muslim women can convert and flee their oppressive families and community.
Wife beating is pervasive in Muslim communities and the fact that they kill women who leave their religion or marry a non-Muslim does not speak well of their religion.
Islam does not live up to its promises of peace and is therefore a lie. We must help Muslims who want to leave their religion.
Sentinel
Hiwayboy has a scent of Lucy about him/her and I think ET is hopelessly and irrevocably lost in academic bullshit.
Rhetorical hairsplitting regarding terminology might be stimulating in the academic vacuum but out here where the rubber meets the road logic as thin as a second hand condom is not to be touched for obvious reasons.
I’ll support my assumptions with observable behavior any day ET. Can you say the same?
Syncro
“Rhetorical hairsplitting … ” Er, sorry syncrodox, but the Queen’s English does lack a certain precision in this instance.
I’d suggest the Dutch term “miernneuken” covers the debate from ET’s perspective rather more succinctly.
(Look that up in your Funk & Wagnalls.)
Make that “mierenneuken.”
b_C
Thanks for that…..I think the prairie term for that goes something like this…..As thin as a mosquito’s arse stretched over a rain barrel.
Syncro
Great Grampa Hantermann tuned me onto the essence of that some time ago and it does seem to succinctly state a certain mindset.
…Since I’m sure you haven’t studied logic, then this may be meaningless.
—ET
No one needs to study logic to understand you will go as far as ignore reality to defend Islam.
I wonder why?
When you defend the Conservatives or expose the Liberals you are usually honest and make sense,
then why do you become blind and biased when the topic is Muslim culture?
It’s like you have two different personalities…
I’m surprised he was arrested. Wasn’t he just expressing his religion freedom? Who are we to judge?
reposting this for everyone. Its down about an inch on the scroll bar. this apparently is pretty normal stuff for the participants. http://mypetjawa.mu.nu/
young omar khadr can explain this in detail when he stays at Bob Raes house. maybe when he finds out Bob is Christian and his wife is Jewish he can really get into the details.
at least with a Jewish wife Boob can take pork off the menu for sunday , saturday , or friday dins with Mama Khadr and the bag lady sisters.
See? Gun control WORKS! It kept Muzzammil Hassan alive. “If it just saves one life…”
ET is correct, in part. Men kill wives for trying to get a divorce every frickin’ day. That’s common as dirt and cross cultural.
Man -beheading- wife for trying to get a divorce, that’s Muslim. Its a style thing. They like a little ceremony with their wife killing.
Plus, they’re too pussy to beat her to death properly. That’s how real men do it, go out, get dead drunk, go home and bust her up manno-e-girlo. No stabbing or effete beheading crap, just good ol’ blunt force trauma.
Extra points for doing it in front of the kids.
Ha ha ha LMAO.
“It’s just culture”!
What a crazy f*cked up world we live in when, the idiots in our midst will say anything to defend their defenseless positions of trying to degrade our “culture” to that of a barbaric tribal death cult.
What possibly could have brought such hatred and self-loathing to individuals who believe that not only their lives in the first world are so worthless but so is everyone else’s? Thus they defend it’s destruction through the mass importation of cult madness borne of a megalomaniac, pedophilic thief and murderer who was bent on enslaving an ignorant tribal nomadic desert peoples to gratify his own delusions and fantasy’s.
Are you really so ignorant and needy yourself to think that this abomination of human consciousness has a place in our society?
Highwayman is in all likelihood a devout truther.Anyone who thinks that 9/11 was an inside job really does not have the mental acumen to discuss the Middle East,or much of anything.
Knight…that’s a hallmark of academia…..inclusion at all costs.
wallyj
Lucy et al pushing moonbat garbage in order to catch the Nazi horde.
Nice.
Syncro
I must side with the comments that this is more cultural than religious.
I work with and am friends with many followers of Islam, all from the Ismali sect (ie followers of the Aga Khan and a sub-sect of Shite). All are Indian in ethnic origin and those who were not born here or in Europe came from East Africa. They were the business and professional community there and were expelled (by government edit or pressure) by various governments because they “had taken over the local economy”. In truth they had built the local economy but the “natives” resented their success and so out they go.
As with any religion, Islam has a multitude of sects: Sunni and Shite being the main two and within those are numerous further divisions much like the Catholic/Protestant divisions within Christianity. Some Islam sects are radical, intolerant and strange to Western societies, but so are many Christian sects (think for example Jehovah Witnesses or Mormons).
Thinking of all of Islam as fanatical suicide bombers out to take over the World is simplistic and wrong. The Ismalis I know are as fanatical as the average United Church congregation. More boring than frightening. Yes, they hold women is a subordinate role to men but no more so than Roman Catholism or Conservative Judism and less so than Orthodox Judism and many fundimental Protestant sects.
Canada should denounce and shut down those groups calling for death to Jews, rebuff attempts to incorporate Shiria Law and demand immigrants embrace free speech and freedom of thought. We adopt; you adapt regardless of the ways of the old country (this includes the Irish who want to drag there religious struggles over here!)
Well, he certainly showed me what the ‘understanding’ part is all about..i understand that if you offend the adherents of islam, they will cut your head off your offending body.
Thanks for the lesson.
I am sure it will come in handy as i try to get my country to ban every last one of you 7th century throwbacks from darkening the doorstep of my country.
Folks, Higwayman has hijacked this thread.
We’re supposed to be ignoring him from now on, ok?
If it’s Lucie or Special K or some other dummy from the HRC or the Librano War Room coming here illegally via hijacking someone’s wireless router, the best response is no response. Don’t play their game.
‘Course, it’s likely a perfect nobody who think’s he’s another Lucie or toilet Nazi hunter… even more pathetic than the real thing!
“this man’s religion is extremely relevant.”
“NY Honor Killer’s Muslim Sympathy Site Yanked
AmericanThinker.com ^ | February 14, 2009 | Marc Sheppard
The website of a New York TV network whose aim is to improve American perceptions of Islam was shut down this morning, two days after its founder admitted to the beheading of his wife. And while that irony might bring a momentary smile, another attempt to conceal the facts behind an honor killing right here in America should stir nothing short of outrage.
Muzzammil Hassan, CEO of Bridges TV, whose motto is “connecting people through understanding,” apparently didn’t think Thursday’s honor killing — and make no mistake about what this was — at the station might somehow blur that message.
Of course, police and mainstream media are treating the gruesome homicide as a simple case of domestic violence. Even though the victim, 37-year-old Aasiya Zubair, had recently filed for divorce and apparently was concerned enough about her Muslim husband’s reaction to obtain a restraining order. And, despite the fact that she was beheaded, a particularly hideous practice all but unthinkable to any but Islamic fundamentalists, you can bet that her murderer’s religion will never be mentioned, as though it were irrelevant.
But history tells us that, notwithstanding the pattern of denial by the Dhimmi dummies of the MSM, this man’s religion is extremely relevant.
The United Nations Population Fund estimates that “as many as 5,000 women and girls a year are murdered by members of their own families, many of them for the ‘dishonour’ of having been raped.” And these so-called “honor killings,” once a disgraceful abomination known only to Islamic nations, are gradually creeping into western society right under our noses.
Pressured by Islamic advocacy groups and the prevailing winds of political correctness, authorities and news organizations remain remarkably mute. And, in doing so, these naïve multi-cultists only pave the way for more victims of “domestic violence” at the hands of followers of Sharia, not local, law.
Let’s never forget “domestic violence” victim Aqsa Parvez, the 16-year-old Canadian girl whose father strangled her for refusing to wear the traditional Muslim head scarf in 2007. Or Amina and Sarah Said of Dallas, both murdered by their father in 2008 for dating non-Muslim boys. Or Sandeela Kanwal of Georgia, who was strangled to death by her Muslim father, Chaudhry Rashid, last July.
Rashid’s actions are of special note here, as he actually admitted his motive to be protecting his family’s honor from the divorce his daughter was planning.
Yet the silence persists. Where the hell are all the pissed-off women’s groups? This sister was beheaded! Here! In America!
At around 10:30 AM EST this morning, the website for Bridges Television also went silent, replaced with the message “This website is temporarily down for maintenance.” Whether this was a permanent shutdown or “maintenance” to either scrub all references to or make absurd apologies for the butcher Hassan, only time will tell.
Meanwhile, say it loud – This was another Honor Killing.
Welcome to the Dhimmi House.
Disgraceful.
Update:
In my rush to scoop the website shutdown – which took place during my research – I let the far more significant story get by me. An American woman was beheaded by her Muslim husband for seeking a divorce and few know anything about it because the majority of media refuse to report it. This outrage should be commanding national headlines.” http://www.freerepublic.com/focus/f-news/2186051/posts
(Just FYI:
cal2, at February 14, 2009 10:22 PM, says that Bob Rae’s a Christian. This may be correct–or not. From Wikipeadia:
“Saul Forbes Rae (December 31, 1914 – January 9, 1999) was a Canadian diplomat during the Pearsonian era of Canadian foreign policy.
“Rae’s father was born Goodman Cohen in Palanga, Lithuania. The Cohen family had moved to Scotland in the pogrom of the 1890s, and there Goodman met Helen Rae, the daughter of a draughtsman in the Glasgow shipyards. The romance and subsequent marriage caused considerable turmoil in both families, and as a result they moved to Hamilton, Ontario in 1912. Saul was born in Hamilton on December 31. He had two siblings, an older sister, Grace, who went to work as a dancer at the Radio City Music Hall, and a younger brother Jackie who had a long career in Canadian show business. The three worked in vaudeville in Canada in the 1920s under the name ‘the three little Raes of Sunshine’.”
Judaism is matrilineal, so it’s very possible that Bob “Cohen”, known as Bob Rae (the family obviously adopted Helen Rae’s maiden name), was raised a Christian or of no faith. But certainly, at least by birth, Saul Cohen, Bob’s dad, was Jewish. Bless him!)
Again.Another link whore hijacks the comments.As sentinel said,ignore it!
And quite a night it was; SNL at SDA, the hangover is palpable.
As Justthinkin and sentinal suggest, I’ve made another entry to my scroll-through list.
This ‘Highwayman’ is a lunatic who obviously sources his information from the likes of David Icke, et al. He has no credible esoteric, or historical knowledge of any kind. Ignore him and like a pimple he’ll eventually go away. There’s zero benefit in engaging him.
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Once again, there’s been comparisons made between the former violence of Christianity and the perpetual violence of Islam. The difference is that Islam is foundationally violent. Violence is commanded in their texts, law and in the command for them to emulate Mohammad, an extremely violent, disturbed and immoral individual.
Christianity, on the other hand, bears, commands, nor incites violence in the NT, or in Christ’s life example. In fact, the opposite is true.
As well, Islam may have some 72 sects varying in degrees from moderate to fanatical, however, they all share the same trilogy and prophet, which are not moderate, but violent.
There’s validity to the argument that Islam is a heretical, gnostic sect of Christianity. The original ‘infidels’ were Muslims.
As far as the “same God’ mantra that Muslims like to preach to other ‘Abrahamic Faiths’ – this is patently false.
Apart from Allah sanctioned taqiyya, Allah himself is described in the Quran as the best “deceiver” or “schemer” (3:54, 8:30, 10:21)
John 8:44 is quite clear that Allah, therefore, is not the same as the Christian God:
“You belong to your father, the devil, and you want to carry out your father’s desire. He was a murderer from the beginning, not holding to the truth, for there is no truth in him. When he lies, he speaks his native language, for he is a liar and the father of lies.”
Kate
My apologies for wasting bandwidth sparring with Backstreet Boi. Chalk that one up to a few to many wobbly pop and a case of recent blog deprivation.
I’ll hit the tip jar when the fog clears and vow to avoid the likes of Lucy/Catsmeat in the future.
Syncro
Not to put too fine a point on it, Norm Matthew, but each religion has a point at which it must be said that aberrant teachings/beliefs/practices puts you outside the faith you claim to follow. The fact that bin Laden’s group killing thousands in the name of Islam remains an accepted sect of Islam. No serious Christian accepts Jehovah’s Witnesses or Mormons as Christians. They JW’s and Mormons may have co-opted some Christian names and terminology but their beliefs and practices are distinctly not Christian. I agree with you that Ismaili Muslims are the United Church of Islam they are also not well regarded in the Muslim world. I believe that they are actually prevented from entering Saudi Arabia thus participating in the Haj because they are not strident enough in their practices.
ET’s point is well taken,
ONLY IF
we’re talking about certainties.
And VIRTUALLY nothing is ever certain.
And so, the same argument could be made of….say….a devout Nazi killing his neighbor (a devout jew) in 1938 Germany.
Are we certain he did it because he was a muslim? No. Are we pretty damn sure him being a Muslim was related to (or even contributed to) her dying or the manner of her death? Absolutely.
(BTW ET, there is some fascinating evidence out there showing how “honor killings” are not being reported as such, largely for politically correct reasons.)
In other words,
as a society we know “honor killing” is going on,
but to shine the light on it would force us to re-evaluate entrenched cultural assumptions,
and so we intentionally refrain from turning that light on.
How…..progressive.
I think that biff caps off the thread with this statement, “there is some fascinating evidence out there showing how “honor killings” are not being reported as such, largely for politically correct reasons.”
The silence of the media implies complacency. ET’s moral equivelencies defense on the other hand begs to ask the question that by giving radical Islam a free pass, what does it prove?
I refuse to drink ET’s Kool-aid that every culture has it’s own form of ‘domestic abuse’, I mean just look at white boy Willy Picton and the Asian Greyhound passenger. Let’s all link arms and to the tune of ‘We are the World’, let’s sing ‘We area all Headhackers’.
PULEEZE
”An addition of Muslims to a Nation is a subtraction in civilization.”
Stories over the last couple of days that have been reported:
“Suspicious Jordanian kills sister,” from AFP, February 11
AMMAN: A Jordanian man has been charged with premeditated murder for killing his sister while she was asleep over her alleged “suspicious behaviour,” a judicial official said yesterday.
“The 21-year-old man stabbed his 24-year-old sister 10 times in different parts of her body with a kitchen knife while she was asleep on Tuesday night over her alleged suspicious behaviour” in Sahab, south of the capital Amman, the official said.
Three days ago, the unidentified suspect, who has confessed to the crime, “heard some men talking about his sister, who was a trainee lawyer, and decided to kill her without checking the truth,” according to the source, who did not elaborate.
“He said he regretted murdering his sister, particularly after forensic tests proved that she was virgin,” the official said.
He added that the suspect will “undergo a psychological examination to determine his mental state.”
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“Afghan diplomat to NYC, Mohammed Fagirad charged in all-day wife beating,”
by Nicole Bode for the New York Daily News, February 14
An Afghan diplomat was charged Friday with beating his wife “like a dog” for more than 15 hours in their Queens home, prosecutors said.
Mohammed Fagirad, 30, a vice consul at the Afghanistan Consulate, brutalized his wife inside their Flushing home from about 8:30 a.m. Wednesday until nearly midnight, Queens District Attorney Richard Brown said.
During the attack, Fagirad bit, slapped, choked and beat the 22-year-old woman with a belt, pushed her down a flight of stairs and sat on her chest, prosecutors said.
At one point, prosecutors said, Fagirad threw his wife up against a wall, held her there by the neck and then let her drop to the floor, where he beat her with a belt.
Fagirad told police his “wife was a dog and he was going to treat her like a dog,” prosecutors said.
When Fagirad left the home, his wife fled and went to the 109th Precinct stationhouse, where she filed a domestic violence report, prosecutors said. She then returned home.
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“Muslim women ‘face crisis over violence, says senior UN Diplomat'”
from Agence France-Presse, February 15:
MUSLIM women around the world are facing a “growing crisis” as Islamic governments fail to honour commitments to end inequality and violence against them, a senior UN official has warned.
Yakin Erturk, the UN’s rapporteur on violence against women, said that women must demand their governments carry out pledges to grant equal rights and ensure their safety.
“There is no time left to lose any more as this is a growing crisis,” she said after a speech which dealt with the issue at an international conference on “Equality and Justice in the Muslim Family.”
“Women must demand that their governments implement agreements on women’s equality, rights and an end to violence against women, which have been signed but have yet to be carried out,” she said.
“In these countries, those who speak on behalf of Islam still justify things like stoning or killing a woman for this or that reason as being part of their religion. I have heard this at the most official of levels,” Erturk said without specifying which countries were to blame.
“Of course violence against women is not limited to Islamic countries but Islamic countries have become stigmatised as being mysogynist societies which are inherently anti-women.”
Erturk said that very often, laws protecting women are not enforced or are weakened due to pressure from religious groups. Her view was endorsed by more than 200 international delegates attending the four-day conference organised by Musawah, a new Malaysia-based global movement demanding equality and justice in Muslim families….
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“France: Jilted Muslim jailed for setting his girlfriend on fire.”
from the BBC, February 13:
A Pakistani man has been sentenced to 20 years in prison by a French court for setting fire to an ex-girlfriend who had refused to marry him.
Amer Mushtaq Butt doused the woman with petrol and set her alight as she was leaving her home in a Paris suburb.
Chahrazad Belayni, a 21-year-old Moroccan-born woman, suffered third-degree burns to 60% of her body.
The case has highlighted violence against women in poor urban communities with large Muslim populations….
Prosecutor Camille Palluel said Butt had meticulously planned his attack “to end the life” of his former girlfriend in an attempt “to restore his honour”.
Butt set fire to Ms Belayni in the street in the impoverished Paris suburb of Neuilly-sur-Marne in 2005 after she ended their relationship….
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“German-Afghan gets life for ‘honour killing,'”
from The Local, February 13:
A German-Afghan man was sentenced to life in prison for the “honour killing” of his sister on Friday, creating mayhem in the court room as family members screamed, assaulted journalists and attempted suicide.
The 24-year-old Ahmad-Sobair O. was convicted of murdering his 16-year-old sister Morsal O. on May 15, 2008 because she had turned away from her family. The girl died after suffering 23 stab wounds in a Sankt Georg district parking lot in Hamburg. Both siblings, who immigrated to Germany 13 years ago, have German citizenship.
“He killed out of pure intolerance,” Hamburg Judge Wolfgang Backen said while reading the verdict, adding that the murder was “treacherous” and a premeditated “bloodbath” after all other attempts to “discipline” his sister had failed.
His verdict sparked dramatic scenes in the court room as Ahmad Sobair O.’s family and friends wailed and hit the security glass behind which he was sitting. The accused himself began screaming: “You son of a whore! What is this, honour? I know no honour!”
He also yelled that had the trial taken place in Kabul, Afghanistan, he would have already been released long ago.
The murderer’s mother then tried to throw herself out of a courtroom window, but was restrained by family members. Relatives of the accused also assaulted and threatened a journalist in the room.
According to Backer, the late Morsal O. had been victim to “many years of martyrdom” in the form of threats and assault from her brother.
Before she was murdered, Morsal O. had been seen by emergency youth services on several occasions, suffering from pressures by her family, which did not approve of her Western lifestyle. After the verdict, her parents sharply criticised the judge, saying the girl bore some of the guilt for her own murder.
Backer said her parents had made their son into the “executioner” of their “parenting methods.”
Ahmad-Sobair O. has already been prosecuted for assaulting her and others. He was sentenced in March to one year and five months without possibility of probation on an assault charge. He had requested his March sentence be deferred, but was notified in writing – a day before the stabbing – that the request had been rejected.
A series of six honour killings – including the shooting at a bus stop of 23-year-old Turkish woman Hatun Sürücü in Berlin – shook Germany in 2005. Sürücü’s youngest brother, Ayhan Sürücü, later confessed to killing her because his family did not approve of her lifestyle.
According to news agency DPA, some 50 women have been the victim of honour killings in Germany over the last decade.
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All over the last couple of days. See a pattern here?
“Since I’m sure you haven’t studied logic, then this may be meaningless.”
ET, you are right, I haven’t studied logic.
So, perhaps this quote ny Mark Steyn will say it better.
“Look at the late Aasiya Hassan, beautifully coiffed, glossy-lipped. On countless occasions since 9/11, I’ve found myself at lunch or dinner in New York, London, Washington, Paris or some other western city, sitting next to a modern Muslim woman like Mrs Hassan telling me how horrified she is at how hijabs and burqas, honor killings and genital mutilation, forced cousin marriages and the disproportionate number of Muslim wives in European battered women’s shelters, how all these have come to define Muslim womanhood in the 21st century. Yet Aasiya Hassan ended up no differently – all because her husband’s TV network had a cashflow problem?”
Most of the comments are just the sane trying to reach the insane. An oxymoron. But one comment does justify a reply. I am not what you would call a truther. But I would like an explanation as to the wee tiny whole in the pentagon where an airplane was supposed to have hit it. And how building 7 toppled exactly the same way as the twin towers when it wasn’t even hit, and barely was on fire. Curious, isn’t it?
Sean
First you have to understand NY. Under the WTC there where at least 10 stories of parking & other levels if not more. Depending on the building or era of construction. Most of these are connected to other buildings by subway which has many levels itself underground. As well underground pedways & such. Now think what happened underground when both towers fell . Why do you think it burnt for 9 months? Those building connected also experienced collapse when like a tidal wave the levels where pushed out by the shock wave. When there underground like flapjacks on stilts. When they cascaded apart, so did the foundation of the building they where under implode. For your first question look at a hand book on ballistics.
They have been digging underground since the 18nth century there for transportation. Look up about the history of this, its quite fascinating. Chicago’s underground is even more interesting.
JMO
john begley at February 14, 2009 7:19 PM
Good point.
Well, in the spirit of keeping up with the times, I suppose Bridges TV will soon be changing their name to Beheadings TV.
🙁
Looks like he is doing a good job of keeping the muslim stereotype alive. Why are we letting people from the middle east into our country again?
rose
**** Good thing there is two stage of hell in Islam, when their god is done with him my god and the Jewish god will make sure he rots in perpetual enternity of misery and hell fire.****
in my world (all three of those religions are Abrahamic based)they are all one and the same god, and this god lives with the easter bunny and santa clause
BTW-some real news from Niagara.
A Dash Q400 fell out of the sky near Buffalo
on feb 10, 10:15 pm.All fifty crew and passengers plus one person in his house died.RIP
I posted on this topic the other day. I still stand by it no matter how many play the equivalnace game.
Revnant Dream
February 13, 2009
Muzzammil Hassan is the founder and chief executive officer of Bridges TV, which he launched in 2004, amid hopes that it would help portray Muslims in a more positive light.
If these are the peaceful ones. Than who are the bad?
Immigration within an Islamic context is Invasion at worst , colonization at best. They perceive they are at war with us. Muslims are told by Religious & Secular leaders not to assimilate. I don’t say it! They do every day. All over the world in action & word. Ending in thousands dying monthly by the hand of this “Religion of Peace”. Name a place on Earth this scourge is not bombing or in violent protest with its hosts?
The UN has become a sanctuary for Blasphemy laws against Islam. No one listens because the idea horrifies them. Our politicians quake at there own mistake in fear, while our Academics play at ‘Who loves Marx best”. Our Elites have retreated into a make believe world of Utopian nonsense. We are at war folks, & trying to deny it while our enemies don’t is not going to make it go away. It makes us meat for there eating.
The use of Mutilation with head chopping seems to be their specialty. With genital mutilation being a happy second choice. The Koran is the best evidence anyone needs to see where appeasing this blood religion will get you. No matter how they try to portray it. You can only deny reality for a short time before it bites you.
JMO
NOTES FROM A PEACEFUL RELIGION
http://themcj.com/?p=2748#comment-8026
horny toad – you can’t come to any logical, i.e., valid conclusion with your sentences.
That’s because, as an argument, your references are to particular rather than universals terms (HE is Muslim, HE murdered his wife)and you are missing what is called ‘the middle term’. This means that your two ‘slightly universal terms’ (beheading is common among radical Muslims, beheading is not common in N. America) can’t be linked to the particular HE.
All you can reasonably say is that HE beheaded his wife; HE is a Muslim. You can’t connect the two (beheading and Muslim as causal).
Since I’m sure you haven’t studied logic, then this may be meaningless.
Gym – sterotyping and profiling are two different things. My point has only been that one cannot make the statement that BECAUSE he is a Muslim, THEN, he killed his wife. All one can say is that he IS Muslim; and he killed his wife. You can’t connect the two as causal and that’s what some here seem to be trying to do. That’s all.
b_C “do the words “penchant,” “predilection,” “predisposition,” “proclivity” or “tendency,” among others, hold any particular meaning in your universe?”
A TV station to promote Muslim’s in a better light – then beheads wife. Actions speak louder than words.
But according to the Kleenex Crowd, we are all suppose to ignore the “penchant,” “predilection,” “predisposition,” “proclivity” or “tendency,” thingies. And take Professor Talking-head’s word’s on CBC as gospel.
i think everyone here is missing the point…you’ve all become de-sensitized after a decade of reading about these muslim abominations…
the point is what kind of insane deranged culture has evolved such a demented disgusting vile method of offing their enemy…ferkrissakes they’re sawing someone’s head off which takes more than a few moments….NOT simply busting a cap in their ass.
remember the greyhound bus beheader ?…HE was genuinely insane….these muslim dreck perceive the decapitation of their enemy as a ‘normal’ retribution….
i tell you…these muslims must have VERY interesting thoughts…and when you think the sickos are all around us now….oof but it gives me the shivers it does…
Because of their indoctrination into the Islamic ideology, which includes Shariah approved misogyny, Muslim men have a greater propensity to do violence to women. This is proven in the Pakistan Institute of Medical Sciences stats. And in the newspaper everyday.
End of story.
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if you’re a teenager having your pals over for drinks, etc. and the bookends are discovered alarmingly like your moms pumpkin, then what are the odds you’re a muzzie?
I think it’s foolish to try to separate religion and culture. Science for sure can be separated.
foooosh.
Swing and a miss. The story here isn’t that a man murdered his wife because she was divorcing him (religion in this matter being irrelevant.)
The story here is a Muslim leader trying to put lipstick on the sow and failing miserably.
Now lets re-focus.
In Canada he’d undoubtedly end up with meds and a day-pass due to “major mental illness” or in recognition of the fact that he was simply carrying out his religious – sorry, make that cultural – traditions.
ET: your hair-splitting about causality is moot.
Beheading is a well-established historical and contemporary reality of Islam. It occurs where ever Islam is at all established.
We are informed by today’s PC critics, however, that beheading is an act that only “radicals” carry out… you know, the supposed “minority” group of Muslims who have hijacked Islam, a “religion of peace.”
The point here is that Muzzammil Hassan is by all accounts the picture perfect “moderate” Muslim. Yet when faced with a potential divorce, he didn’t just kill his wife; he beheaded her.
That draws into serious question whether or not beheading is a “radical” action.
That’s the point here.
Please don’t swallow the camel while straining out the gnat.
You want reality & how bob raes little darling omar khdar harvested his hands & feet go to :http://mypetjawa.mu.nu/
Scroll down to al shahab beheading.Very graphic,not for squeamish.
Off-topic, profuse apologies, but FWIW, I must declare, briefly, that I believe the “Highwayman” is an undercover Leftist.
I noted that he doesn’t consider, on his blog, anything Islamic or socialist/neocommunist/”progressive to be an “enemy of democracy & freedom”. Just Christians, Jews, America, Canada, Israel… Typical Leftist.
Just FWIW.
And as for ET, I’m not sure. ET, I suggest you question yourself, become humble… are you sure, by watching the contemporary real world, that you know what you’re talking about on Islam? Don’t answer me… ask yourself.
ET is like the tobacco lawyer pointing to the cancer victim and telling the court that it is impossible to prove that tobacco caused her cancer.
Islam is a totalitarian religion. It is not just spiritual, it is political and military. It can’t be separated from the culture, since it molds the culture.
Someone needs to set up a secret convent so Muslim women can convert and flee their oppressive families and community.
Wife beating is pervasive in Muslim communities and the fact that they kill women who leave their religion or marry a non-Muslim does not speak well of their religion.
Islam does not live up to its promises of peace and is therefore a lie. We must help Muslims who want to leave their religion.
Sentinel
Hiwayboy has a scent of Lucy about him/her and I think ET is hopelessly and irrevocably lost in academic bullshit.
Rhetorical hairsplitting regarding terminology might be stimulating in the academic vacuum but out here where the rubber meets the road logic as thin as a second hand condom is not to be touched for obvious reasons.
I’ll support my assumptions with observable behavior any day ET. Can you say the same?
Syncro
“Rhetorical hairsplitting … ” Er, sorry syncrodox, but the Queen’s English does lack a certain precision in this instance.
I’d suggest the Dutch term “miernneuken” covers the debate from ET’s perspective rather more succinctly.
(Look that up in your Funk & Wagnalls.)
Make that “mierenneuken.”
b_C
Thanks for that…..I think the prairie term for that goes something like this…..As thin as a mosquito’s arse stretched over a rain barrel.
Syncro
Great Grampa Hantermann tuned me onto the essence of that some time ago and it does seem to succinctly state a certain mindset.
…Since I’m sure you haven’t studied logic, then this may be meaningless.
—ET
No one needs to study logic to understand you will go as far as ignore reality to defend Islam.
I wonder why?
When you defend the Conservatives or expose the Liberals you are usually honest and make sense,
then why do you become blind and biased when the topic is Muslim culture?
It’s like you have two different personalities…
I’m surprised he was arrested. Wasn’t he just expressing his religion freedom? Who are we to judge?
reposting this for everyone. Its down about an inch on the scroll bar. this apparently is pretty normal stuff for the participants.
http://mypetjawa.mu.nu/
young omar khadr can explain this in detail when he stays at Bob Raes house. maybe when he finds out Bob is Christian and his wife is Jewish he can really get into the details.
at least with a Jewish wife Boob can take pork off the menu for sunday , saturday , or friday dins with Mama Khadr and the bag lady sisters.
See? Gun control WORKS! It kept Muzzammil Hassan alive. “If it just saves one life…”
ET is correct, in part. Men kill wives for trying to get a divorce every frickin’ day. That’s common as dirt and cross cultural.
Man -beheading- wife for trying to get a divorce, that’s Muslim. Its a style thing. They like a little ceremony with their wife killing.
Plus, they’re too pussy to beat her to death properly. That’s how real men do it, go out, get dead drunk, go home and bust her up manno-e-girlo. No stabbing or effete beheading crap, just good ol’ blunt force trauma.
Extra points for doing it in front of the kids.
Ha ha ha LMAO.
“It’s just culture”!
What a crazy f*cked up world we live in when, the idiots in our midst will say anything to defend their defenseless positions of trying to degrade our “culture” to that of a barbaric tribal death cult.
What possibly could have brought such hatred and self-loathing to individuals who believe that not only their lives in the first world are so worthless but so is everyone else’s? Thus they defend it’s destruction through the mass importation of cult madness borne of a megalomaniac, pedophilic thief and murderer who was bent on enslaving an ignorant tribal nomadic desert peoples to gratify his own delusions and fantasy’s.
Are you really so ignorant and needy yourself to think that this abomination of human consciousness has a place in our society?
Highwayman is in all likelihood a devout truther.Anyone who thinks that 9/11 was an inside job really does not have the mental acumen to discuss the Middle East,or much of anything.
Knight…that’s a hallmark of academia…..inclusion at all costs.
wallyj
Lucy et al pushing moonbat garbage in order to catch the Nazi horde.
Nice.
Syncro
I must side with the comments that this is more cultural than religious.
I work with and am friends with many followers of Islam, all from the Ismali sect (ie followers of the Aga Khan and a sub-sect of Shite). All are Indian in ethnic origin and those who were not born here or in Europe came from East Africa. They were the business and professional community there and were expelled (by government edit or pressure) by various governments because they “had taken over the local economy”. In truth they had built the local economy but the “natives” resented their success and so out they go.
As with any religion, Islam has a multitude of sects: Sunni and Shite being the main two and within those are numerous further divisions much like the Catholic/Protestant divisions within Christianity. Some Islam sects are radical, intolerant and strange to Western societies, but so are many Christian sects (think for example Jehovah Witnesses or Mormons).
Thinking of all of Islam as fanatical suicide bombers out to take over the World is simplistic and wrong. The Ismalis I know are as fanatical as the average United Church congregation. More boring than frightening. Yes, they hold women is a subordinate role to men but no more so than Roman Catholism or Conservative Judism and less so than Orthodox Judism and many fundimental Protestant sects.
Canada should denounce and shut down those groups calling for death to Jews, rebuff attempts to incorporate Shiria Law and demand immigrants embrace free speech and freedom of thought. We adopt; you adapt regardless of the ways of the old country (this includes the Irish who want to drag there religious struggles over here!)
Well, he certainly showed me what the ‘understanding’ part is all about..i understand that if you offend the adherents of islam, they will cut your head off your offending body.
Thanks for the lesson.
I am sure it will come in handy as i try to get my country to ban every last one of you 7th century throwbacks from darkening the doorstep of my country.
Folks, Higwayman has hijacked this thread.
We’re supposed to be ignoring him from now on, ok?
If it’s Lucie or Special K or some other dummy from the HRC or the Librano War Room coming here illegally via hijacking someone’s wireless router, the best response is no response. Don’t play their game.
‘Course, it’s likely a perfect nobody who think’s he’s another Lucie or toilet Nazi hunter… even more pathetic than the real thing!
“this man’s religion is extremely relevant.”
“NY Honor Killer’s Muslim Sympathy Site Yanked
AmericanThinker.com ^ | February 14, 2009 | Marc Sheppard
The website of a New York TV network whose aim is to improve American perceptions of Islam was shut down this morning, two days after its founder admitted to the beheading of his wife. And while that irony might bring a momentary smile, another attempt to conceal the facts behind an honor killing right here in America should stir nothing short of outrage.
Muzzammil Hassan, CEO of Bridges TV, whose motto is “connecting people through understanding,” apparently didn’t think Thursday’s honor killing — and make no mistake about what this was — at the station might somehow blur that message.
Of course, police and mainstream media are treating the gruesome homicide as a simple case of domestic violence. Even though the victim, 37-year-old Aasiya Zubair, had recently filed for divorce and apparently was concerned enough about her Muslim husband’s reaction to obtain a restraining order. And, despite the fact that she was beheaded, a particularly hideous practice all but unthinkable to any but Islamic fundamentalists, you can bet that her murderer’s religion will never be mentioned, as though it were irrelevant.
But history tells us that, notwithstanding the pattern of denial by the Dhimmi dummies of the MSM, this man’s religion is extremely relevant.
The United Nations Population Fund estimates that “as many as 5,000 women and girls a year are murdered by members of their own families, many of them for the ‘dishonour’ of having been raped.” And these so-called “honor killings,” once a disgraceful abomination known only to Islamic nations, are gradually creeping into western society right under our noses.
Pressured by Islamic advocacy groups and the prevailing winds of political correctness, authorities and news organizations remain remarkably mute. And, in doing so, these naïve multi-cultists only pave the way for more victims of “domestic violence” at the hands of followers of Sharia, not local, law.
Let’s never forget “domestic violence” victim Aqsa Parvez, the 16-year-old Canadian girl whose father strangled her for refusing to wear the traditional Muslim head scarf in 2007. Or Amina and Sarah Said of Dallas, both murdered by their father in 2008 for dating non-Muslim boys. Or Sandeela Kanwal of Georgia, who was strangled to death by her Muslim father, Chaudhry Rashid, last July.
Rashid’s actions are of special note here, as he actually admitted his motive to be protecting his family’s honor from the divorce his daughter was planning.
Yet the silence persists. Where the hell are all the pissed-off women’s groups? This sister was beheaded! Here! In America!
At around 10:30 AM EST this morning, the website for Bridges Television also went silent, replaced with the message “This website is temporarily down for maintenance.” Whether this was a permanent shutdown or “maintenance” to either scrub all references to or make absurd apologies for the butcher Hassan, only time will tell.
Meanwhile, say it loud – This was another Honor Killing.
Welcome to the Dhimmi House.
Disgraceful.
Update:
In my rush to scoop the website shutdown – which took place during my research – I let the far more significant story get by me. An American woman was beheaded by her Muslim husband for seeking a divorce and few know anything about it because the majority of media refuse to report it. This outrage should be commanding national headlines.”
http://www.freerepublic.com/focus/f-news/2186051/posts
(Just FYI:
cal2, at February 14, 2009 10:22 PM, says that Bob Rae’s a Christian. This may be correct–or not. From Wikipeadia:
“Saul Forbes Rae (December 31, 1914 – January 9, 1999) was a Canadian diplomat during the Pearsonian era of Canadian foreign policy.
“Rae’s father was born Goodman Cohen in Palanga, Lithuania. The Cohen family had moved to Scotland in the pogrom of the 1890s, and there Goodman met Helen Rae, the daughter of a draughtsman in the Glasgow shipyards. The romance and subsequent marriage caused considerable turmoil in both families, and as a result they moved to Hamilton, Ontario in 1912. Saul was born in Hamilton on December 31. He had two siblings, an older sister, Grace, who went to work as a dancer at the Radio City Music Hall, and a younger brother Jackie who had a long career in Canadian show business. The three worked in vaudeville in Canada in the 1920s under the name ‘the three little Raes of Sunshine’.”
Judaism is matrilineal, so it’s very possible that Bob “Cohen”, known as Bob Rae (the family obviously adopted Helen Rae’s maiden name), was raised a Christian or of no faith. But certainly, at least by birth, Saul Cohen, Bob’s dad, was Jewish. Bless him!)
Again.Another link whore hijacks the comments.As sentinel said,ignore it!
And quite a night it was; SNL at SDA, the hangover is palpable.
As Justthinkin and sentinal suggest, I’ve made another entry to my scroll-through list.
This ‘Highwayman’ is a lunatic who obviously sources his information from the likes of David Icke, et al. He has no credible esoteric, or historical knowledge of any kind. Ignore him and like a pimple he’ll eventually go away. There’s zero benefit in engaging him.
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Once again, there’s been comparisons made between the former violence of Christianity and the perpetual violence of Islam. The difference is that Islam is foundationally violent. Violence is commanded in their texts, law and in the command for them to emulate Mohammad, an extremely violent, disturbed and immoral individual.
Christianity, on the other hand, bears, commands, nor incites violence in the NT, or in Christ’s life example. In fact, the opposite is true.
As well, Islam may have some 72 sects varying in degrees from moderate to fanatical, however, they all share the same trilogy and prophet, which are not moderate, but violent.
There’s validity to the argument that Islam is a heretical, gnostic sect of Christianity. The original ‘infidels’ were Muslims.
As far as the “same God’ mantra that Muslims like to preach to other ‘Abrahamic Faiths’ – this is patently false.
Apart from Allah sanctioned taqiyya, Allah himself is described in the Quran as the best “deceiver” or “schemer” (3:54, 8:30, 10:21)
John 8:44 is quite clear that Allah, therefore, is not the same as the Christian God:
“You belong to your father, the devil, and you want to carry out your father’s desire. He was a murderer from the beginning, not holding to the truth, for there is no truth in him. When he lies, he speaks his native language, for he is a liar and the father of lies.”
Kate
My apologies for wasting bandwidth sparring with Backstreet Boi. Chalk that one up to a few to many wobbly pop and a case of recent blog deprivation.
I’ll hit the tip jar when the fog clears and vow to avoid the likes of Lucy/Catsmeat in the future.
Syncro
Not to put too fine a point on it, Norm Matthew, but each religion has a point at which it must be said that aberrant teachings/beliefs/practices puts you outside the faith you claim to follow. The fact that bin Laden’s group killing thousands in the name of Islam remains an accepted sect of Islam. No serious Christian accepts Jehovah’s Witnesses or Mormons as Christians. They JW’s and Mormons may have co-opted some Christian names and terminology but their beliefs and practices are distinctly not Christian. I agree with you that Ismaili Muslims are the United Church of Islam they are also not well regarded in the Muslim world. I believe that they are actually prevented from entering Saudi Arabia thus participating in the Haj because they are not strident enough in their practices.
ET’s point is well taken,
ONLY IF
we’re talking about certainties.
And VIRTUALLY nothing is ever certain.
And so, the same argument could be made of….say….a devout Nazi killing his neighbor (a devout jew) in 1938 Germany.
Are we certain he did it because he was a muslim? No. Are we pretty damn sure him being a Muslim was related to (or even contributed to) her dying or the manner of her death? Absolutely.
(BTW ET, there is some fascinating evidence out there showing how “honor killings” are not being reported as such, largely for politically correct reasons.)
In other words,
as a society we know “honor killing” is going on,
but to shine the light on it would force us to re-evaluate entrenched cultural assumptions,
and so we intentionally refrain from turning that light on.
How…..progressive.
I think that biff caps off the thread with this statement, “there is some fascinating evidence out there showing how “honor killings” are not being reported as such, largely for politically correct reasons.”
The silence of the media implies complacency. ET’s moral equivelencies defense on the other hand begs to ask the question that by giving radical Islam a free pass, what does it prove?
I refuse to drink ET’s Kool-aid that every culture has it’s own form of ‘domestic abuse’, I mean just look at white boy Willy Picton and the Asian Greyhound passenger. Let’s all link arms and to the tune of ‘We are the World’, let’s sing ‘We area all Headhackers’.
PULEEZE
”An addition of Muslims to a Nation is a subtraction in civilization.”
Stories over the last couple of days that have been reported:
“Suspicious Jordanian kills sister,” from AFP, February 11
AMMAN: A Jordanian man has been charged with premeditated murder for killing his sister while she was asleep over her alleged “suspicious behaviour,” a judicial official said yesterday.
“The 21-year-old man stabbed his 24-year-old sister 10 times in different parts of her body with a kitchen knife while she was asleep on Tuesday night over her alleged suspicious behaviour” in Sahab, south of the capital Amman, the official said.
Three days ago, the unidentified suspect, who has confessed to the crime, “heard some men talking about his sister, who was a trainee lawyer, and decided to kill her without checking the truth,” according to the source, who did not elaborate.
“He said he regretted murdering his sister, particularly after forensic tests proved that she was virgin,” the official said.
He added that the suspect will “undergo a psychological examination to determine his mental state.”
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“Afghan diplomat to NYC, Mohammed Fagirad charged in all-day wife beating,”
by Nicole Bode for the New York Daily News, February 14
An Afghan diplomat was charged Friday with beating his wife “like a dog” for more than 15 hours in their Queens home, prosecutors said.
Mohammed Fagirad, 30, a vice consul at the Afghanistan Consulate, brutalized his wife inside their Flushing home from about 8:30 a.m. Wednesday until nearly midnight, Queens District Attorney Richard Brown said.
During the attack, Fagirad bit, slapped, choked and beat the 22-year-old woman with a belt, pushed her down a flight of stairs and sat on her chest, prosecutors said.
At one point, prosecutors said, Fagirad threw his wife up against a wall, held her there by the neck and then let her drop to the floor, where he beat her with a belt.
Fagirad told police his “wife was a dog and he was going to treat her like a dog,” prosecutors said.
When Fagirad left the home, his wife fled and went to the 109th Precinct stationhouse, where she filed a domestic violence report, prosecutors said. She then returned home.
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“Muslim women ‘face crisis over violence, says senior UN Diplomat'”
from Agence France-Presse, February 15:
MUSLIM women around the world are facing a “growing crisis” as Islamic governments fail to honour commitments to end inequality and violence against them, a senior UN official has warned.
Yakin Erturk, the UN’s rapporteur on violence against women, said that women must demand their governments carry out pledges to grant equal rights and ensure their safety.
“There is no time left to lose any more as this is a growing crisis,” she said after a speech which dealt with the issue at an international conference on “Equality and Justice in the Muslim Family.”
“Women must demand that their governments implement agreements on women’s equality, rights and an end to violence against women, which have been signed but have yet to be carried out,” she said.
“In these countries, those who speak on behalf of Islam still justify things like stoning or killing a woman for this or that reason as being part of their religion. I have heard this at the most official of levels,” Erturk said without specifying which countries were to blame.
“Of course violence against women is not limited to Islamic countries but Islamic countries have become stigmatised as being mysogynist societies which are inherently anti-women.”
Erturk said that very often, laws protecting women are not enforced or are weakened due to pressure from religious groups. Her view was endorsed by more than 200 international delegates attending the four-day conference organised by Musawah, a new Malaysia-based global movement demanding equality and justice in Muslim families….
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“France: Jilted Muslim jailed for setting his girlfriend on fire.”
from the BBC, February 13:
A Pakistani man has been sentenced to 20 years in prison by a French court for setting fire to an ex-girlfriend who had refused to marry him.
Amer Mushtaq Butt doused the woman with petrol and set her alight as she was leaving her home in a Paris suburb.
Chahrazad Belayni, a 21-year-old Moroccan-born woman, suffered third-degree burns to 60% of her body.
The case has highlighted violence against women in poor urban communities with large Muslim populations….
Prosecutor Camille Palluel said Butt had meticulously planned his attack “to end the life” of his former girlfriend in an attempt “to restore his honour”.
Butt set fire to Ms Belayni in the street in the impoverished Paris suburb of Neuilly-sur-Marne in 2005 after she ended their relationship….
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“German-Afghan gets life for ‘honour killing,'”
from The Local, February 13:
A German-Afghan man was sentenced to life in prison for the “honour killing” of his sister on Friday, creating mayhem in the court room as family members screamed, assaulted journalists and attempted suicide.
The 24-year-old Ahmad-Sobair O. was convicted of murdering his 16-year-old sister Morsal O. on May 15, 2008 because she had turned away from her family. The girl died after suffering 23 stab wounds in a Sankt Georg district parking lot in Hamburg. Both siblings, who immigrated to Germany 13 years ago, have German citizenship.
“He killed out of pure intolerance,” Hamburg Judge Wolfgang Backen said while reading the verdict, adding that the murder was “treacherous” and a premeditated “bloodbath” after all other attempts to “discipline” his sister had failed.
His verdict sparked dramatic scenes in the court room as Ahmad Sobair O.’s family and friends wailed and hit the security glass behind which he was sitting. The accused himself began screaming: “You son of a whore! What is this, honour? I know no honour!”
He also yelled that had the trial taken place in Kabul, Afghanistan, he would have already been released long ago.
The murderer’s mother then tried to throw herself out of a courtroom window, but was restrained by family members. Relatives of the accused also assaulted and threatened a journalist in the room.
According to Backer, the late Morsal O. had been victim to “many years of martyrdom” in the form of threats and assault from her brother.
Before she was murdered, Morsal O. had been seen by emergency youth services on several occasions, suffering from pressures by her family, which did not approve of her Western lifestyle. After the verdict, her parents sharply criticised the judge, saying the girl bore some of the guilt for her own murder.
Backer said her parents had made their son into the “executioner” of their “parenting methods.”
Ahmad-Sobair O. has already been prosecuted for assaulting her and others. He was sentenced in March to one year and five months without possibility of probation on an assault charge. He had requested his March sentence be deferred, but was notified in writing – a day before the stabbing – that the request had been rejected.
A series of six honour killings – including the shooting at a bus stop of 23-year-old Turkish woman Hatun Sürücü in Berlin – shook Germany in 2005. Sürücü’s youngest brother, Ayhan Sürücü, later confessed to killing her because his family did not approve of her lifestyle.
According to news agency DPA, some 50 women have been the victim of honour killings in Germany over the last decade.
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All over the last couple of days. See a pattern here?
“Since I’m sure you haven’t studied logic, then this may be meaningless.”
ET, you are right, I haven’t studied logic.
So, perhaps this quote ny Mark Steyn will say it better.
“Look at the late Aasiya Hassan, beautifully coiffed, glossy-lipped. On countless occasions since 9/11, I’ve found myself at lunch or dinner in New York, London, Washington, Paris or some other western city, sitting next to a modern Muslim woman like Mrs Hassan telling me how horrified she is at how hijabs and burqas, honor killings and genital mutilation, forced cousin marriages and the disproportionate number of Muslim wives in European battered women’s shelters, how all these have come to define Muslim womanhood in the 21st century. Yet Aasiya Hassan ended up no differently – all because her husband’s TV network had a cashflow problem?”
Most of the comments are just the sane trying to reach the insane. An oxymoron. But one comment does justify a reply. I am not what you would call a truther. But I would like an explanation as to the wee tiny whole in the pentagon where an airplane was supposed to have hit it. And how building 7 toppled exactly the same way as the twin towers when it wasn’t even hit, and barely was on fire. Curious, isn’t it?
Sean
First you have to understand NY. Under the WTC there where at least 10 stories of parking & other levels if not more. Depending on the building or era of construction. Most of these are connected to other buildings by subway which has many levels itself underground. As well underground pedways & such. Now think what happened underground when both towers fell . Why do you think it burnt for 9 months? Those building connected also experienced collapse when like a tidal wave the levels where pushed out by the shock wave. When there underground like flapjacks on stilts. When they cascaded apart, so did the foundation of the building they where under implode. For your first question look at a hand book on ballistics.
They have been digging underground since the 18nth century there for transportation. Look up about the history of this, its quite fascinating. Chicago’s underground is even more interesting.
JMO
john begley at February 14, 2009 7:19 PM
Good point.
Well, in the spirit of keeping up with the times, I suppose Bridges TV will soon be changing their name to Beheadings TV.
🙁
Looks like he is doing a good job of keeping the muslim stereotype alive. Why are we letting people from the middle east into our country again?