Just Don’t Call Them “Mosquitos”

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The Ontario Human Rights Commission’s position on honour killings;

“There are thousands of things that happen in the province of Ontario on a daily basis and we don’t comment on all of them,” she said.
But, I spluttered, women are being murdered.
“As I said, we are a small commission.
“There are many problematic things that happen in our community and we have to make choices because we can’t respond to everything,” [Barabara] Hall said.
So honour killings are merely “problematic”?
Here’s a woman who’s advocated for years on behalf of women’s rights. She found time to crucify Steyn and Maclean’s, but she’s too busy to raise the issue of women who are being murdered over some hideous interpretation of “honour”?

Well, yes! They’re females being murdered by brown males. Hello??
When determining equality as it applies under human rights codes, “female” trumps “male”, but only when there isn’t “brown”. It’s works the same way as “sex” trumps “religion”, but only when there isn’t “muslim”.
You folks in media are kind of slow to catch on.

123 Replies to “Just Don’t Call Them “Mosquitos””

  1. I can’t believe how stupid that Hall of horrors is. The left could use her for the prototype for their brownshirts.

  2. “Its easy to forget that honor killings take place across all communities, including white ones. We just have a different name for it – domestic abuse/violence.”
    That statement is as idiotic as that smirking woman who thinks she’s the better and enlightened one…

  3. Trudeaupia created a tyranny of the minority.
    Tyrannies usually take time to come to fruition.
    Rome wasn’t created in a day. Rome was a totalitarian state that eventually imploded due to corruption, laziness, and an inflated government, but that can’t happen here, right?

  4. The “left” have really tried to equate honour killings with domestic abuse so that they can now blame men all over the country for a despicable act by a crazy Muslim in Montreal. Beating women is frowned upon in Canadian society. Honour killings are encouraged in Muslim countries.
    I’ve lived in what would be termed “bad neighborhoods” for most of my life. I’ve seen lots of violence in my time. There’s a golden rule we have that women can follow that would eliminate most domestic violence. Don’t marry and A-hole.

  5. Rome was a totalitarian state that eventually imploded due to corruption, laziness, and an inflated government, but that can’t happen here, right?
    Rome was first a republic. It later changed to a somewhat democracy than to totalitarian state. Like what is happening to the US.
    Bring back Ron Paul

  9. I’m going to start filing human rights complaints as a lesbian, against Islamist who advocate the death penalty for me.
    Let’s get this whole biased procedure right our into the open, shall we?

  11. Hmmm, comparing Domestic Abuse to Honor Killings is a far stretch if not a long haul.
    Besides, I agree with everyone else, how long before you start blaming the White Man ?
    You know, here awhile back when my Brother was living in Rock Springs, Wyoming he called me late one nite and was telling me during the long Wyoming Winters that 72% of the Women there were battered. I was astonished and said pretty plainly how could that be. He simply said they don’t listen. 😉
    ,

  12. “Why is it different for a white man to beat up his wife to establish his domination, and for a brown man to do the same, albeit to his sister or daughter?”
    Posted by: Much Ado About Nothing
    Apparently not much thinking going on in ‘Nothing’s mind. The first instance is universally abhored, condemmed and generally, prosecuted. The second is excused as a cultural norm which is not ours to judge.
    “The irony of it all is that there are probably some disingenous men here who aren’t too gentle to their women folk, who proudly proclaim their abhorence for such violence. How much do you want to bet?”
    Posted by: Much Ado About Nothing
    Presumptuousness in order to justify his beliefs. ‘Nothing’ knows exactly that about any of us, but it gives him comfort to believe we ‘men’, simply due to our gender, are ‘likely’ to beat our ‘women folk’.
    I’d wager that more of us than the ‘general population’ would step into the breech in defence of women, whether they happen to be our ‘women folk’ or someone else’s.
    But then again what do I know? I’m just a middle aged white conservative man with a loving wife and two successful well-adjusted daughters.

  13. Interesting point ET about leftist moonbats seeing people as members of a group rather than individuals. The only thing I can’t figure out is how they decide which groups are good and which are bad. I’m a member of the white-male libertarian redneck SUV-driving gun-nut group and I’ve never understood why members of my group are considered to be so much more dangerous than members of the muslim wifebeater group. Why there hasn’t been even one redneck driving a pickup filled with explosives into a government building.
    Any attempt to analyze HRC statements with logic leads to immense frustration and I think Ezra Levant has it right when he says that HRC’s are making it all up as they go along. Sort of what a TV series written by a psychotic screenwriter with Alzheimers would be like.

  14. much ado…hate men because..?
    I have hit my husband more than he has hit me.That’s reality.
    If the victims of those honour killings were white men would that make you feel better?

  15. Go for it Kyla. There is a case before the Hrc right now that pits a lesbian couple against an islamic gyno.

  16. Gord good advice thirty years ago, people learned from consequence, now we have progressives handing out hugs instead of hints to life lessons, or like Much ado here laying out a smoke screen for things to come so they can’t be dealt with honestly and possibly offend someone, while being openly offensive themselves.
    Cave reference for example, oh and lets not forget dragging women by the hair into the cave lol. I think mainly though its mostly guys out west that still do that 🙂

  17. The “irony” comment sems to have sparked some kind of angry response. The flip side to it, of course, is that you have any number of Muslim men (and women), who claim that Islam is ‘good’ to women, ‘good’ for women’s dignity etc. They are, by choice, blind to the darker reality of their own community.
    I have simply applied that same blindness by choice to some here, and predictably earned their wrath.
    Erik,
    Agreed. The role of religion has to be explored, but dare I suggest a western coherent approach to the overly reactionist approach we see here. The automatic assumptioon for most of the people reading this post, and correct me if I am wrong, is that religion is guilty until proven innocent. I prefer an innocent until proven guilty approach. That is the western way. Reactionaries remind me of communists – anger at the way things are without any real idea of how to fix it, minus some vague ideas of utopia.
    “I’d wager that more of us than the ‘general population’ would step into the breech in defence of women, whether they happen to be our ‘women folk’ or someone else’s.”
    History tells us most of us will ignore the victims (regardless of gender) plight. Remember that lady who got stabbed to death in New York, despite thousands of people living in buildings within earshot? A lot of people heard her. Nobody did anything. SOmething about not wanting to get involved in other people’s personal issues.
    I am not blaming the white man, nor am I justifying domestic abuse. I just fail to see the point of demonizing one community for its rather pathetic antics, when similar actions take place in every community. If honor killings are a far stretch from domestic abuse, please explain how. Declaring it in as many words, does not make it so.

  18. “I have hit my husband more than he has hit me.That’s reality.”
    Thats not a healthy relationship, no matter which community you are from. I would suggest ending it, or seeing a psychiatrist.
    “Gord good advice thirty years ago, people learned from consequence, now we have progressives handing out hugs instead of hints to life lessons, or like Much ado here laying out a smoke screen for things to come so they can’t be dealt with honestly and possibly offend someone, while being openly offensive themselves.”
    Forgive me for saying “fight domestic abuse” instead of saying “fight muslim domestic abuse only”.

  19. Shawn @ 3:37 Rome was never a democracy. It started as a monarchy, became an aristocratic oligarchy ruling a republic, became a limited constitutional autocracy and finally ended as a military dictatorship which created the feudal economic caste system. It failed for a host of reasons, but the two most important were: 1) that people no longer had any reason to support a system which no longer worked to their benefit, and 2)that Rome was outright defeated on the battlefield by superior military technology.

  20. The fight against domestic abuse has been going on with success for quite some time, where have you been?
    We’ve been fighting child abuse as well, have you not noticed?
    That’s not to say it’s perfect and no one dies or gets abused, but it’s far better than it was, it was a far more punitive society where, for example teachers could administer corporal punishment on the spot without any national headlines.
    Woman have choices here. I do understand that a Muslim women here, has less and it’s presumptuous to assume she can walk away from it as easily as a Canadian woman of many other ‘colours’ here can.
    It’s a religious or cultural practice, not ignorance practiced by a immature bully to the point of murder.
    Get a grip.
    Check out France on how well your line of thinking worked or not working rather, there.

  21. Much ado:
    I think the Kitty Genovese story, to which you allude, is an interesting point of reference. Her tale is awful (although some of the details remain fuzzy, and are not exactly as thought by many)
    I grew up with the rhyme about Lizzie Borden – that tale of horror was imprinted out many young memories, but now, who remembers the names of the Lethbridge family killed by their daughter? Or her name? Or her boyfriend’s name? Just another bunch of statistics.
    The level and brutality of violence in North American Society has increased – and I don’t think it’s just due to a change of awareness or reporting.
    My big concern is that the Barbara Halls of the world seem not to want to tackle the really difficult questions – because they know that the results will not be either pleasant or simple.
    It’s much easier, and lazier, for them to harm the relatively harmless – and it’s a good gig that pays well – why make one’s life more difficult than it has to be?
    So, it’s her hypocrisy that I despise.

  22. Much save your apologies for when people in this country finally (if ever) figure out why we are in such sad shape in many ways. A little hint; I feel its groups of people that muddy the waters of reality, and the useless bureaucracies they willingly feed.
    They’ve grown to need each other to survive.
    Otherwise, I leave it there as we’ll just have to disagree.

  25. The looney Leftists have aligned themselves with the Islamofacsists thugs for awhile now.
    Dr.Sheema Khan and Dr.Elmasry were the 2-stooges that teamed-up to crusade for Shariah law in canada to be applied to females and not males , Dr.Khan was part of CAIR that was also a backer for the 3 Terror cells in canada that are now portrayed as “Victims” of Racial-Profiling , CAIR has now been directly ties to funding Hamas via the bogus Islamic charity claiming to aid orphans and oppressed Muslims.
    Here’s the Elephant in the room that the MSM fears to reveal to canadians.
    CAIR has ties to the Whahhabi Saudis and CAIR is in a Class-Action Lawsuit for aiding and abetting the 9/11 hijackers by coaching Muslims in the USA to not help the Government or FBI when they investigate their fellow Muslims for suspected ties to Jihad or Terrorism.
    When William Sampson was in a Saudi jail on trumped up charges for terrorism and alleged slurs towards the Prophet Muhammed while on Islamic soil, Liberal MP Bill Graham is on record telling the MSM that Sampson WAS being tortured but the good new was that the Saudis had not beheaded him yet .
    When the UK finally got this Canadian Christian out of jail he came back here and we held an Inquiry where the Foreign Affairs MP had the nerve to sit there and opine that “We can’t be all things to all people and be everywhere to help each person in trouble outside of canada” , Mr. Sampson didn’t get one cent for the torture and not 1 protest rally was held in Ottawa outside the Saudi Consulate by the leftists or “Peaceful” moderate Muslims in canada .
    BUT….Maher Arar had only “Alleged” he suffered harm by the big bad USA and THEN the Liberals snapped in to action to get him out of his Homeland of Syria where he was wanted as a Draft-Dodger to face a Military trial , the MSM wents nuts with the “Torture” lies -which have yet to be proven- and every yahoo in Canada protested the “Islamophobia” and Racism until he was brought back and this included the NDP.
    CAIR’s team of lawyers launched a $400 million dollar lawsuit to use Financial Jihad and Psychological Terrorism to get an Inquiry for Maher Arar , $30 million dollars later we had NO evidence for Innocence or Guilt but Arar got $10.5 million dollars just for Alleging harm.
    CAIR is now crusading for Omar Khadr to get back here on our soil to kill us in a Jihad suicide attack as the Khadr Sons and dad have tried , and Barbara Hall just proves how stupid and naive they are or that they have accepted Islam as a violent faith that produces people prone to murder and riots for Allahs cause.
    Why else would Hall treat Honour-Killings as a way of life for Muslims that is protected by the OHRC’s definition of religious Freedoms .
    I’m still waiting for the big fight over the Pro-Choice Human Rights when Science and Biology is used to do Abortions to babies believed to have a same-gender gene for sexual preferences or Pedophilia for both genedrs.
    This should be a nice Cat Fight among the Femi-Nazis and Gay-Stappo during a Power struggle for the fatherland , imaging that….Gender-cides and Homo-Cides via Abortions so these vermons never get to be born and pollute the Utopic leftists version of reality and Justice.
    BTW
    Maher Arar didn’t even show up for the Inquiry that was named after him , but I did find out that he was to get a job at the Bogus Islamic Charity used by CAIR to funnel “Donations” to Palestine and back Hamas and suicde bombers.
    Funny how liars never seem to learn about their words coming back to bite them.

  26. One of the few good tidbits of information to come from my exile in a Women’s Studies class was a discussion of the connection between literacy and violence. A woman who can read the language of her society is far less likely to take abuse in stride as being just part of her life, or even part of her culture. Women who can read about places to go if they are threatened with violence or death are way more likely to escape domestic violence, but unfortunately, its difficult to provide women’s shelters and advocate groups with resources for all the languages that they need owing in part to our fervent clinging to multiculturalism (not saying its bad, just saying knowing the common language is beneficial) and the irritating tendency of certain nameless cultures to keep their women ignorant in order to keep them docile. Maybe if the CRHC is dismantled, the money they recieve could be spent providing shelters and advocate groups with the tools to educate the specific cultures of women who in our country still suffer from abnormally high rates of domestic abuse. Seems like a better use of taxpayer money than paying a commission to look into hurt feelings.
    Educated women stand up for themselves, are more likely to recognize and leave an abusive relationship, are less likely to be murdered by an angry spouse, son, brother, father because they get out before it can happen. These women do one thing that many women from islamic backgrounds are not allowed to do: they think a better life is possible and they choose to seek that better life.

  27. For social ostracism, the Left has made racism, (imaginary most of the time) the worst crime in Canada, worse than murder. Honor killings within families and state stoning of raped women? Merely a multicultural bagatelle. Criticizing a brown culture for these acts? Heinous and there must be multimillion dollar expenditures in the form of HRC’s to stop it!

  28. Kathy, I agree with you that the Genovese story has been misappropriated.
    I think our society has moved too far away from “saying anything about anything”. I constantly see people littering, and kids doing stupid things in front of their parents who say or do nothing. If I had more courage in my convictions, I would say “pick that crap up”, or “stop acting like an idiot in public”.
    When I was younger, “societal discipline”, if I can use that term, was pretty much accepted (and, I think, good!!)
    Now, I think we are a society more at risk for indifference towards each other, because after all, won’t the government look after it? Blech.

  29. The reason lefties excuse honour killing while at the same time buying up yards of white ribbons on Dec 6th is racism.
    The left continually engages in the racism of low expectations. Conservatives want to hold everyone to the same high moral standard; true equality. The left wants to have lower standards for different cultures to show how tolerant they are. In reality they’re racist because they believe deep down that these people can’t help themselves.
    This is best viewed on December 6th when we remember 14 dead white women.
    When is the national day of mourning and blaming for Picton’s more numerous victims?
    The left is shocked by middle class white girls’ murders, but while disturbed, can’t muster the same outrage for poor, mostly brown hookers, as if their deaths are somehow expected.
    Same as Muslim daughters, It would seem.

  30. Much says “Forgive me for saying “fight domestic abuse” instead of saying “fight muslim domestic abuse only”.
    Why don’t you try and stop all violence instead of violence against women. You can check any stat source you like even the feminist ones and they will tell you that the majority of violence in relationships is started by women. They strike the first blow most of the time. That doesn’t bother you though does it. You want to charge the male with defending himself. If you didn’t twist statistics you would be forced to put women through sensitivity training as obviously they seem more prone to violence than their male counterparts.

  32. I wonder if the Big Media (other than that piece in the Toronto Sun) will catch on to this extraordinarily newsworthy exchange?
    Nah. Not a chance. They’re part of the problem, after all…
    I wonder what Leftists will think about… oh, wait… darn, I forgot… Leftists don’t think! Too inconvenient!
    Obviously, the “Progressive” movement doesn’t care about protecting the human rights of Muslim women. If I was a Muslim woman and I heard what Barbara Hall said, I’d be terrified!

  33. gord, you cant use the self defense arguement because women are more likely to strike first only using something that is not physically damaging such as a slap across the face.
    Men are more likely to cause real physical damage on their first blow, are less likely to stop after one hit, and are more likely to cause severe, lasting damage and/or use a weapon when they attack. I dont say that domestic violence doesnt affect men as well, but overall, the boys who are victims have similar support available to them as many caucasian women, in part because very few minority women are so stupid as to stand up to their husbands, much less attempt to physically assault them.
    Muslim women suffer from a disproportionately high level of domestic abuse, much of which goes unreported because they are taught that they deserve it, that their men have the right to beat them, and that they, being inferior, have no right to protest such treatment.
    Stopping all violence is an unrealistic goal, lets start with the realistic goals and help the people who really need it right now.

  34. To another leftard, equivocating while undulating:
    “Its easy to forget that honor killings take place across all communities, including white ones”
    You mean white Muslim ones?
    The difference is that Islam promotes and spreads honour killing in their homelands and wherever they immigrate. It is acceptable behaviour in the family, community and Ummah.
    The root basis for this horror is the Islamic ideology and Shariah as it applies to women in general.
    That Muslim women are “a tilth” to Muslim men. That they are worth half as much as a Muslim man. That in court, they must produce 4 male witnesses in order to charge a Muslim man with rape. That their inheritance is half a males. That a man may have up to 4 wives and sex with as many slaves “as his right hand possesses.” That he may marry and have sex with 9 year old girls. That hell is mostly inhabited by women. That women are filthy and unclean.
    All of the above is taught from the texts of Islam. The uncreated and unassailable word of Allah.
    Islam must be put on trial. It is the ideology of Islam that incites world horror, historically and now.
    So, Kyla, go for it. I’ll support you.
    In fact, it’s about time the vast majority got organised against the ideology of Islam. It is more than a clear and present danger. Future generations depend on the actions we take right now.

  35. Barbara Hall on “Power Play” with Tom Clarke this evening was purposely obtuse, but she isn’t fooling anyone.

  36. They could care less about Women. Its all about status for their little elite of SPECIAL Ladies. No others need apply. Not being a Lady I’m told its like a high school clique in the feminist biz.
    Being devotes of the Socialist death cult, with its extensive worship of both multiculturalism with Politically correct platitudes. Add in the Gentry of the Nation with its support of the Human Rights racket of Injustice. Designed to destroy real Liberties. Its easy to see how they can be deluded with double think.
    It should come as no surprise they value the Islamic death dealers with such admiration. While holding a implacable hatred of Christianity.
    They just never stop to consider that after the Country is taken over they will be the first stoned. No one likes traitors in any culture.
    Laughingly with all its absurdity, the modern feminists think their untouchable or immune from misogynist Islam.
    To me that’s a real definition of insane. To really take a risk for Muslim Women is unthinkable to these p-pampered poodles. After all they never had to face hordes of death dealing Christians bent on oppressing Women ( Which is crazy when the bible itself say‘s in Christ all Women & Men are the same). They actually may get hurt. I highly doubt the real suffragettes, & such felt the same way. These are posers for penny’s from Washington & Ottawa for their highly debatable idea of what or who they represent. Frankly it themselves as a lobby with no vision except a blame game towards men.
    This herd of cows will be the first to grovel than convert to Islam. Bet on it. Cowards are the least stable.

  37. Irene says: “Muslim women suffer from a disproportionately high level of domestic abuse, much of which goes unreported because they are taught that they deserve it, that their men have the right to beat them, and that they, being inferior, have no right to protest such treatment.”
    Great point. Something we men have been saying all along. What the problem is here is that the “left” is trying to make it look like Muslim men and your average Canadian male are the same. If we point out that Muslims are prone to this behavior we are racists. But we are forced to take the blame when Muslim men act the way they have been brought up to act.
    Irene said: “Stopping all violence is an unrealistic goal, lets start with the realistic goals and help the people who really need it right now.”
    You are correct. Again. But, if we continue the blanket statements that infer all men are thugs, all white men are racist, all women are saints, and all blacks are poor victims of racism etc. nothing gets solved. Because all people are different. Individuals if you like. The point I was making was that violence is bad. Teach that in schools. Don’t teach men are violent. Whites are racist etc.

  38. Yes the victim industry B-U-R-E-A-U-C-R-A-T-S… do not want to take any action against their designated victim groups.
    The question remains, why our so called justice system, from the enforcement side to the judicial continues to shy away from vigorously pursuing the prosecution of such offenses under the actual and existing laws?
    What good has come from this mindset and it’s intrusion on our society?
    If you can’t find the will to defend your society then you don’t have the right to claim it as yours.
    Observe the Barbara Halls of this world and understand that they are your enemy.

  40. Re: Much Ado..
    The irony is that Ms. Ado’s flawed logic which jumps out like a third hump on a camel is the both the proof and the justification our muslim friends use to show women are indeed intellectually inferior to men. Ms. Ado’s infantile logic confirms the hadiths that teach true believers that the testimony of a woman is worth half that of a man. Ms. Ado, the lives and lifestyles of western women will be be determined by rational thought versus political correctness and cultural relativism. Give it some thought.

  41. In my perspective the Libby type sows are some type of human sub species. If they were real women they would care about real women.

  42. Erik,
    Agreed. She is just a pansy and no one knows what shes doing, but that was not what I was addressing. I was referring to the oft-repeated attacks on other cultures, which are the norm here. I am not suggesting cultural relativism, but at some point, you have to start distinguishing between cultural flaws and general human flaws. In this case, domestic abuse, sometimes taken to an extreme (death), is, I contend, a general human flaw, not a cultural flaw.
    I am referring to the Kitty Genovese story, which I see as a pretty standard example of the human propensity to stand around and do nothing in issues that are considered ‘private’. This is a misguided approach that is endemic to humanity in general – it is based on sheer greed. Why bother about someone else’s well being if my well being is guaranteed?
    “It’s a religious or cultural practice, not ignorance practiced by a immature bully to the point of murder.”
    It is not a religious or cultural practice. It is not legal anywhere in the world (it would be if it were an acceptable religious or cultural practice). No matter where you go in the world, it is punishable. Legal practices do, after all, reflect local cultural and religious practices. In this case, it is a case of a bully wanting to stamp his dominance. When a white/black/yellow/brown guy beats his wife on suspicion of adultery, anyone can argue it is about the man’s honor, but at the end of the day, it is, and always will be, domestic abuse. In some cases they take it too far and kill. Far from muddying the water, I am just making it clearer.
    Kathy,
    Do you believe every book thats ever written or do you selectively choose what suits you. I checked the link – its buy a bunch of bloggers who, surprise surprise, claim to know more than the rest of us. There are plenty of conspiracy theories out there – and you are free to believe all of them.
    For the sake of argument, lets assume your source is the most accurate one ( a very long shot indeed). Can you honestly tell me that every person you know would rush into his neighbors house if he heard a man and/or woman yelling/ yelling at each other? I assume you will claim that you would intervene (we will never know), but what about all the people you know? I would give that long hard thought before answering. Theres a difference between the way things are and the way one wants them to be.
    Erik,
    “Now, I think we are a society more at risk for indifference towards each other, because after all, won’t the government look after it? Blech.”
    Au contraire, nobody expects the government to look after it. Nobody cares as long as its NIMBY (not in my backyard). Its the ultimate expression of selfishness and greed -why should I care if it doesn’t affect me directly? Government intervention does affect you – why do you think some people get so riled up paying taxes for a healthcare system that benefits groups that dont take care of themselves (smokers).
    “You can check any stat source you like even the feminist ones and they will tell you that the majority of violence in relationships is started by women”
    I am not blaming men for being violent, nor am I absolving women. Domestic abuse is not just about women. Yes I play to that particularly stereotype because it resonates – we all know it exists – but I am not denying that both sides are perpetrators. What I am pointing out is that it is endemic to human behaviour in general, and focusing on one community as opposed to all communities, is pointless at best.
    “Stopping all violence is an unrealistic goal, lets start with the realistic goals and help the people who really need it right now.”
    The question you need to ask is why women/men of any community would turn to the ‘outsider’ for help, when the most vocal outsiders express nothing but contempt for their community. Think about it. Why would a muslim woman go to a guy like Roger or Irwin Daisy to help change her culture? She wants to fix it. He wants to destroy it. See the problem? The problem is that the well-meaning and sympathetic discourses on the topic are drowned out by the hostile and antagonistic voices. Yes they need help getting out of there, but why would they turn to you. They want to remedy the situation, not toss their “good” beliefs into oblivion.
    Daisy, perhaps you will provide us with other religions attitudes towards women – Christianity, Buddhism, Hinduism, Taoism, Judaism etc. Or are you a one-trick pony? I find it amusing that all ultrareligious folk are a bit wierd with their women, albeit to different degrees, with Islam being the most heinous. Some Jewish men, for instance, believe that their women are “dirty” during a certain natural biological process. Not relativism – I am not saying they treat their women nearly as badly as Muslims do, but at the same time, this condescending attitude towards women transcends cultures. Remember when women couldn’t vote? Now then, Irwin, lets see how many tricks you have up your sleeve.
    Eyeswideshut,
    Mr. Ado does not lead the life or lifestyle of a western woman. If he did, he would need to see a psychiatrist. He just thinks critically and is willing to be a contrarian (using critical analysis and a willingness to assess the ‘other’ side of the story). Cave. Outside cave. Two different visions of the world. You get my jist.

  43. much ado – the difference between domestic violence in the west (almost anywhere, actually) and honor killings is that the former is considered odious and vile in their respective society while honor killings are condoned, even respected, in theirs. Reason doesn’t seem to be your strong point but try to think real hard about this profound difference.

  44. Barbara “as long as it’s not against brown” Hall was just on CTV’s Powerplay…8:45 pm… now trying to defend “professor” Moon in his belief that a form of “censorship” be applied to the MSN media. That didn’t sit well with Tom.

  47. Much Ado etc.: Sigh. “Why would a muslim woman go to a guy like Roger or Irwin Daisy to help her change her culture…?” – after you’ve been blathering on about how honour killings have nothing to do with “religion and culture”.(shorten that to R+C in the future, ‘kay?)
    You don’t even believe a word of this yourself. So why say it?

  48. And I love how with “domestic abuse” some people “take it too far and kill”. What’s taking it just far enough?
    Then: You admit that “some” Jewish men don’t “treat their women nearly as badly as Muslims do”. Gosh, why not? Couldn’t be Religion and Culture, could it? Genetic predisposition, maybe? Wanna argue that?

  49. Quoted: I attended a mandatory Human Resources training course on harassment. We were supposed to print our name on a card. Pretty standard except I didn’t. The trainer remarked, I remarked she didn’t need to know. She proceeded to harass me for 5 minutes. The other trainer and the attendees caught on way before she did. Point made.”
    That’s a thing of beauty, that is. Good job!

  50. ado
    domestic violence is usually a violent “control” mechanism, ment to intimidate through violence, and is usually not ment to kill (please note the usually)
    honour KILLINGS, are for one reason, and one reason only, to kill. And they are supported and condoned by the familly and the community
    and in many islamic counrties, tho illegal, the punishment for it does not fit the crime
    in most islamic countries women , tho only considered 1/2 the value of a male, they are treated as posessions,not humans
    try and grasp the difference in cultural and individual minds sets between islamic (not all islamic) and western

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