According to Barrelstrength;
At the request of the Prime Minister, the Minister of Justice has created a departmental committee to examine section 13 of the Canadian Human Rights Act. This is the section which bans hate messages distributed by the Internet. Members include lawyers from various branches of the department of Justice, including constitutional, human rights, criminal and Industry Canada branches.
(Note – still awaiting an official source for this. Will keep you posted.)
Kathy has made some great points.
I have yet to find anyone in my workplace that has a clue about Section 13.
“Is that the funiture aisle at Walmart?”
We have some work to do.
This is what should happen.
Cut section 13 from CHRA now. Don’t debate it, take it out and delete it.
Now let us see if there is a need for something like that. No there is not.
We are done.
To create a commission to debate such fascisoid piece of garbage is gross.
Ok lawyers need to make money to you may say. They should get a job like everyone else.
A commission of non lawyers should be established to have final say on these things, rather then above mentioned, hereafter, therefore, thereunto, and so on and so forth.
No need to point to preceding paragraph, I know.
Where did Barrelstrength get the info?
ET: “That included their unilateral decisions about the Charter, the New Flag, etc, etc.” The New Flag continues to bug me as well. Maybe when we get the majority…we can get the real one back. Just kidding, it will never happen 🙂
The AHRC has made a farce of these laws because I remember watching the Ezra videos on the internet where he was allowed to repeat several “hate-Crime” comments to the fascist thug at the HRC hearing .
YES folks…..if the comments and Allegeations towards islam are hate-crimes then they must have also been Hate-crimes when the HRC worker sat there and heard them repeated and yet did not stop them.
Basicaaly, the Charter Of Rights and RCMP have no power according to the AHRC when THEY spew hate or allow the yHate to be repeated in public on the Internet.
Example 1
Ezra detail the backbround of a fascist thug that works for his Saudi masters that behead people,execute females for minor offences ,murder gays,spew hate for jews,refus to allow a Chucrh on saudi soil,and deny females the luxury of a driver License .
All of the coments would be a Hate-Crime if I posted them on my Blog because it generalizes and condemns an entire Religion which IS the face of the saudis on their soil.
Example 2
The SCOC will often refuse to allow Kiddie Porn or Child-Abuse images to be viewed to the public during a Legal ruling by them for the artistic merit,canadian Media WILL NOT show on TV or the Internet any of the Child-Abuse and Quasi-Pedophilia during the Gay parades where naked male expose themselves to little boys while the othe gay people on the route take Picture to post on their websites for consumption.
The CHRC must be reviewed and given a “Defines” mandate so they know their limits and must forward the bogus complaints to the REAL Courtrooms for a REAL trail where the LOSERS learn to pay for their own hurt feelings.
It can’t be both ways , if free-speech has limits to keep them civil and don’t promote hate then how can the AHRC allow that same HATE-SPEECH to be recorded on video and then posted on the Internet which shows a HRC worker doing nothing to stop Ezra from telling the truth about the Islamofascists.
If a Muhammad-Cartoon was so offensive that it caused 150 murders worldwide from the Quranic rage in the trailer Park Mosques , then why weren’t all those overt fascist Posters at pro-Hamas rallies equally offensive and could have caused 150 murders worldwide from the Synagogue Rage.
I really doubt the Police or RCMP will arrest even 1 Muslim from these rally videos because the Chrater Of Rights and our Courts will not Convict the Mentally ill who have no self-control or awareness of what they are doing.
Syed Ryan and CUPE will never be held responsible for their action becasue the Police and Public in general know that these types of leaders and Unions draw in the people with very low IQ’s that can’t see the Ponzi-Scheme fraud by the Unions that charge a Kick-Back fee to get you the job and salary .
CUPE workers forfiet their Rights to Sue for wrongful dismissals during cut-backs and have no recourse to oppose the Senior memebers of the Pyramid Scam who do less work,shorter hours,get more holidays ,better pensions and many other benefits.
The CUPE Ponzi scam is an Invert-Pyramid foisted on the Tax payers who don’t realize that it will one day get so heavy and bloated it collapses on them when the Private workers can’t pay enough taxes to keep the scam going .
More and more CUPE jobs are only “paper-pushers” sharing the same Social Service Cheques to Welfare cases and Health Care demands,and the proof is when we have a Long-weekend or snow storm where large numbers of senior Union members use their “Sick-Days” to stay at home or shop at the stores staffed by non-Union people.
Can their job be that important if CUPE workers can get 4-6 weeks holidays and 12+ sick-days along with all the regular Holidays ?
CUPE and the CAW have become Political Bodies where some workers have good jobs from the Taxpayers, and others are forced to Assemble American cars from the jobs they took from Americans and Mexicans.
Harper should take a good look at the bogus “Charity” status Orgs that have Morphed into Propaganda-Wings for Islamists and Terrorists and try to hide behind Union rallies to support Human Rights and Justice for Palestine.
BTW, this weekend should have more Useful Idiots out at these fascist rallies with Pro-Jihad calls to murder jews and canadian civilains.
Please go to them with PalmCorders or video phones to get the evidence that Pro-hamas organizers will not be able to claim they DIDN’T see or know of a few nutbars that Hijacked the Peacefull protests.
I have yet to see the MSM show any of the violence and death Threats to canadians by the mainly Mulis mobs pretending to be Christian palestinians upset over gaza.
Good news but also a postponement.
This needs a two line bill not a twenty person committee.
Plan B proceeds apace.
Once again I agree with Harper both in method and intent. For PMSH to wave his prime ministerial wand and eliminate the HRC sec 13 would be grounds for his unelection and immediately upon his removal the HRC sec 13 would be immediately reinstated and possibly increased powers. PMSH
“Doing it right the first time”.
I don’t believe a bloody thing will be done about sec 13. It’s all B.S. to placate a few in the CPC party so it can go on governing as the PC party.
Publish on the internet the names, home phone numbers, home addresses of every HRC tribunal member and the addresses and numbers of their close family members along with their photos.
That will do more to disarm the HRCs than expecting the government to do anything within the next century.
WTFTHSL!!! As in “What the F Tk Hm So Long”? This shit should have been dealt with by now and not an issue any more. Get on with it!!!
“the Commission has serious concerns about the content of a number of articles concerning Muslims that have been published by Maclean’s magazine and other media outlets. This type of media coverage has been identified as contributing to Islamophobia and promoting societal intolerance towards Muslim, Arab and South Asian Canadians. The Commission recognizes and understands the serious harm that such writings cause, both to the targeted communities and society as a whole. And, while we all recognize and promote the inherent value of freedom of expression, it should also be possible to challenge any institution that contributes to the dissemination of destructive, xenophobic opinions.
The Commission intends to further consider these issues in the coming months as it embarks on its new mandate, which places a renewed emphasis on addressing human rights tension and conflict through inquiries, consultation, public education, policy development and constructive debate and dialogue.”
Ontario Human Rights Court Jan.16 2009 Newsletter
The bureaufats return with gubmint “code” fire.
Sorry about the long cut and paste.
http://www.ohrc.on.ca/en/resources/news/statement
I’m with Mark and bluetech.
Where is the source for this story?
Funny how people don’t like to question things they want to believe.
For me, when I see Harper hang his political ass in the wind for Canadian conservatives the way he has for the average Israeli and Chinese citizen, I’ll be impressed.
Til then, he’s just another self-interested politician making decisions based on what will keep him in power.
At this rate, by the time Harper executes a successful strategy to woo Toronto and Quebec into his fold, he’ll have lost those of us who brought him to power in the first place. Then, he’ll be just another psuedo-liberal party, aka the Mulroney tories.
Sigh.
the ‘ol ‘long game’ crap surfaces yet again.
Like a bad cold, the delusional in here quickly forget about the failed Accountability Act, 42% increase in spending in 4 years of governance, and the minor issue that federal taxes increased in 2009 – despite $54 billion in cumulative surplus pulled in by the federal government over the past 5 years.
This is like living in an episode of The Flintstones.
No wonder politics in Canadia look the way they do.
Canadian Observer.. I am with you. I have been active at the creation of the party and at the convention Montreal. It seems like CPC is run by stuffers drawing pooping birds and Harper with the help of Flaherty becoming an imposter as any other politician – pretending to be a leader while only reacting.
Stimulus Schmulus. You can not print money fast enough to cover rapidly shrinking capital in the global economy. This is not a garden variety recession coming that will pass in a year or two. We are dealing with Economic Transformation perhaps unknown in human history – the effect of last 150 years of economic expansion – also unprecedented in history. The only sensible way to seduce capital or what would be left of it from world markets would be to abolish income tax.
I don’t see any politician to take that lead, however what concerns me is that times are accelerating and Harper is obnoxiously sluggish. This not nineties anymore, wake up and stop making mistakes any other politician would do!
What do Lawyers dream of at night? Seriously.
“””””This not nineties anymore, wake up and stop making mistakes any other politician would do!”””””
absolutely, lets Obamafie kanadian politics, and do it ****NOW****, CHANGE AND HOPE AND HOPE FOR CHANGE, because change is all you will get, and dollars is what you will need!!!!
So is this actually happening then? Or is it an urban legend like Jesus the hitch-hiker?
It should happen. No doubt about that part.
Possibly when Ezra ran into the brick wall on his blog a couple of weeks ago, if you recall, many posted comments saying they were unable to take any more of the “strategy” and would prefer some “action.” (this following the Macleans interview) … I am sure this was noted at the highest levels of power. Well, it should have been.
We may have crossed the Rubicon, hurray.
I don’t believe that the only human rights abusers in Canada are white men. Yet 100% of the charges laid by this tribunal have been against white men.
Harper could create peace in our time and end starvation,the media would still hate him.
Something like Hamas, only his complete illimination will do.
Posted by: richfisher at January 17, 2009 12:57 AM
“… which places a renewed emphasis on addressing human rights tension and conflict through inquiries, consultation, public education, policy development and constructive debate and dialogue.”
Well, that’s great news, isn’t it? Because, if nothing else, the HRCs are certainly all about “constructive debate and dialogue”. Just ask Ezra Levant, Scott Brockie, the BC Knights of Columbus, the Toronto plastic surgeon who paid damages because he was reluctant to perform a labiaplasty on a post-op transsexual, the restaurant owner who’s nearly gone bankrupt with HRC costs at the behest of some pot smoker asked not to toke up in the restaurant, the Mississauga stripper who’s launched a HRC case because her club sacked her for getting a bit old & wrinkly…
I’m very optimistic for the future, actually.
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Posted by: richfisher at January 17, 2009 12:57 AM
lawyers are looking at it. hmmmmm. what are the chances that anything will improve?
The great liberal betrayal is the removal and usurpation of our constitutional rights of free speech by the Liberal Fascist heirs of Classic Liberalism.
John Mortimer fought throughout his life for the right to free speech, from the Oz Trial to the Sex Pistols ‘Never Mind The Bollox’ case.
Yet the gains he made for Englishmen to reclaim their ancestral rights and liberties of total free speech in our lands were betrayed by those who called themselves ‘Liberals’ but who imposed the fascistic thought crime and hate crime laws of Maoist Political Correctness.
Do not call this crawling, servile, lickspittle of a residual liberty that we scarce possess ‘free speech’.
What we endure is not free speech, it is the slow poisoning of our nation through the totalitarian repression of language – for whosoever controls the language of a people, defines the nature of their society.
The criminalisation of words is the antithesis of the open society.
Any words that are criminalised become weapons of coercion for repesssive states.
What if the word that is a crime is freedom itself.
What if the very concept of freedom, the very notion of free thought and the ideal of liberty were all made crimes – what then of man.
Whosoever commands the language of a people, controls the people.
The liberal betrayal is the creation of a Closed Society, repressive and Urizenic that weaves constant webs of repression in order to denude the indiviuality of its citizens.
Orwell imagined the future as a jackboot stamping on a face forever – the future is a lexicon of political correctness stamped by the state into the minds of children, a new Red Book of the Liberal Lexicon for the drones to parrot.
“For PMSH to wave his prime ministerial wand and eliminate the HRC sec 13 would be grounds for his unelection”
If removing Sec. 13 would be the kiss of death, Harper should go at it the other way.
Pass legislation requiring investigations and hearings to use presumption of innocence, discovery, full disclosure, speediness, inadmissibility of hearsay, etc.
Both Ezra Levant and Mark Steyn were hoping for convictions so they go get into courts that observed those legal niceties; why not start with them in the first place?
Maybe an omnibus bill declaring all legislation with the number 13 must be passed again with a less unlucky number (as with buildings that have no 13th floor)?
Okay, I’m not a lawyer.
BUT THAT’S NOT MY ONLY VIRTUE !!!
“i don’t believe in undercutting my elected representatives because they don’t move in the direction i think they should as quickly as i think they should”
exactly
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And, while we all recognize and promote the inherent value of freedom of expression, it should also be possible to challenge any institution that contributes to the dissemination of destructive, xenophobic opinions.
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Now maybe I’m old fashioned,
but “institution that contributes to the dissemination of destructive, xenophobic opinions” pretty much is the definitive definition on Islam in my view.
schemes like ‘plan B from outer space’are redolent of the socialist style agitation i’ve seen going down for a lifetime…
what could be wiser…more prudent than threatening the government one espouses…and in the most fundamental manner…what’s that old tag ?
‘cutting off one’s nose to spite one’s face ”
why a 180 degree change in the methodology that has brought advances on the issue which concerns us
makes any kind of sense escapes me…it may make for good street theatre …..is that what this is about ?
This is good news. At least they see a problem. In the end its up to us to badger them into change about free speech. Particularly the silence from the MSM at the hate rally’s is any indicator of how news is now covered in this Polity. Just think if we where not even allowed to photograph them, least it bring them into odium. While Ottawa’s PC crowd tries to hide the antics of these race baiters.
This whole thing has focused the fact that these censors are so out of tune with reality, they now stand naked as fools conniving with there would be killers to shut us all up. Mean while the toilets of Canada are safe from Nazi defacement.
and really…let’s really get real here…while ‘plan B from outer space ‘ has a certain juvenile appeal it sure reminds me of the ‘sticking it to the man” ethos…..i’m a conservative…among other things being a conservative relies on the rule of law…an inherent faith in the process in place and a prudent patient 800 year old methodology in TRULY ‘sticking it to the man’…whomever THAT appears as in the latest everchanging diorama of politics…
but i withhold support from those wishing to upset the apple cart into a socialist gutter and expecting a tart tatin to appearin their hand …..
all land of cockaigne nonsense…fully cooked geese strutting along a road of gold waiting for us poor sinners to grab a drumstick as they go by…
nope..it takes focus perseverance and faith…and patience…
you’ve the best government in 25 years under a sword of Damocles and you want to play juvenile games with it’s existence?
What then, is to stop the conservative party from dropping all remaining shreds of conservatism in pursuit of the middle of the road vote? Some of us were reformers and while we may agree with moderation of views to widen appeal,There has to be a limit.Plan b is a line in the sand.Freedom of speech is too important to treat as a straw man. how far can we go to placate the latte leftists in Toronto and still be conservative?
Playing your game, there will be no recognizable conservative values left,then we will have to start again .Your “wisdom” is apathy.
‘plan 5 from outer space’ is the exact counterpart to the ‘coalition’ desirous of our friends…
i wonder if not the clown conceiving of this strategy is a lllieberal agent provocatuer…
let’s get real as i say…why would one wish to destroy the political movement
that finally brought substantive change to the status quo…unless thatfool was a subversive…
why else expalin a suicidal ultimately self destructing initiative such as this ?
That’s great, John Begley, we’ll see how detached you are when you’re the one expected to account for your opinions to a court of Liberal Party members looking for some extra spending money.
“the Commission has serious concerns about the content of a number of articles concerning Muslims that have been published by Maclean’s magazine and other media outlets. This type of media coverage has been identified as contributing to Islamophobia and promoting societal intolerance towards Muslim, Arab and South Asian Canadians”
Some have argued that the commission itself was full of jihadi-leaning Muslims. It’s all about crushing dissent, just like Hitler did, just like Stalin did.
I know I’ll never vote Conservative again unless Harper does the Maddison jump tomorrow!!!!!
Is this a fake report? We do not have an official source for this supposed setup of a panel to review Section 13. What would be the reason to produce a false report? Perhaps someone wanted to see the response on SDA and its allied sites. It could be to torment the people suffering under the Kangaroo Courts or it could be to goad some to action against the HRC war machine.
SDA is the one conservative web site in Canada that could seriously harm Harper politically. There was a pointed effort to make sure SDA etc. knew about this report. Is there some connection here?
prudence…patience…Kenney is obviously the cat’s paw for PMSH…as i’ve said before Kenney’s previous remarks and the statement yesterday have sent a clear yet nuanced message to Canada’s collective enemies ……the various tribunals and HRCs will have got it….and our Muslim friends in the official aggrieved Zionist-occupier-bashing business will get it eventually….i expect arrests and charges for unfurling their despicable flags will be coming soon.
This will all be billable hours costing the taxpayers millions unless the lawyers can be minimized. Kind of like asking the fox how good the security is in the hen house. nudge nudge wink wink. I agree. Start with Mark Steyn and Ezra Levant send the lawyers to Iran with the HRC and the can play a rousing game of let’s kill the infidels as they run through the caves looking for the religion of peace.
Based on experience, this is BS. Like the people listed have any spine for actually upholding natural rights:’
“Members include lawyers from various branches of the department of Justice, including constitutional, human rights, criminal and Industry Canada branches.”
All the usual suspects that sit aside as our rights are eroded.
Good luck, Canadians. Down here we’re dreading the advent of the Obamanation. I’m afraid this character is going to make Clinton look honest and conservative by comparison.
You have to wonder how, in a nation with 300 million people, we ended up with two such losers as the only real choices for the highest office in the land. We’re probably in for our own Section 13 very soon, and I’m afraid it would have happened whichever candidate was elected. Conservatives in this last election had no real choice other than Sarah Palin. One wonders if we’ll ever get another one.