Remember this great moment in race-based justice the next time a drunk annihilates a family on a provincial highway, and the cry goes up (again) for “stiffer sentences”.
A Saskatchewan man whose two young daughters froze to death after he drunkenly dragged them outside on a frigid winter night last year will face an aboriginal sentencing circle, a judge ruled Wednesday.
Christopher Pauchay’s lawyer had asked that his client’s punishment for criminal negligence causing death be considered by a sentencing circle rather than a single judge.
“I have concluded that a sentencing circle is appropriate in these circumstances,” said Judge Barry Morgan in a decision Wednesday, noting the sentencing circle hearing will be open to the public.
Because alcoholism is a disease! Except when you drive.
(Now remember – demanding equal justice for dead little aboriginal girls makes you a racist!)
Restorative Justice Trivia: Christopher Pauchay has 51 priors.
Next thing you know Philboyd will want donuts outlawed.
The only thing I want is equality before the law.
But it seems you want something else.
I think that Western Canadian, a different bob and Osumashi Kinyobe have revealed the mindset of the ‘elitist leftards’ who run the Justice system (and other gument depts!).
The thought I had was that the lives of these little girls are equal in value to that of thousands of little unborn people who are slaughtered without a peep from the public.
Ratt at 1:58 – Yes. This isn’t about drinking, it’s about an attitude of complete irresponsibility. It never occurred to these idiot parents that one of them (the pregnant mother, maybe? Hello Fetal Alcohol Syndrome) might forgo getting wasted for a few hours so someone could look after the kids.
Philboyd at 1:33 – You can’t legislate this kind of depravity.
Different bob at 2:20 – I read an interview a few months ago where the mother (!) said that the poor guy felt bad, which was punishment enough. You can’t force people to give a damn about their kids.
Nothing makes me angrier than this.
How dare you say these horrible things about MY community, the pickled-drunk, neglectful, criminal aboriginal community in Canada? You shameless hussy. Oh wait. 😉
You’re not allowed to say these things, Kate, because you are white. And I’m not allowed to say them, because I’m 3/4 white. And the “leaders” of the community WON’T say them because they want the dole money.
I agree that this is an apartheid system and that it needs to be shut down. We can’t keep coddling an inferior culture just outside the mainstream of our own. Time to close the rez’s, stop the band payments, and let these people go back to hunting – for jobs, that is.
RG
Canada has moved toward self governing for first nations persons. They have their own Social Service/Child protection department and now their own courts. There is some merit for their own social service agency – cultural differences ie: we might consider the fridge bare but first Nations do not when they have a storage room full of preserved meat and fruit. First nations persons make up more than 60% of child apprehensions by Social Services (SS) which is why they now have their own ss. However, what First Nations fail to realize is that these concessions have been given to them with the expectancy that they will choose self governing over land rights – it is simply a trade off. Works for the Canadian Goverment- they no longer have to deal with the very high percentagge of first nations persons involved in the justice and social service system and the Canadian government can use self governing as a barganing chip for land rights issues.
I predict there will be a further cultural “outsourcing” of our social structure – justice system, health system, social services for muslims, asians, jehovah witnesses etc. It makes economic sense. The reason we have safe injection sites and why AA is the only option available, unless you are well off and can afford a $4000-10,000 price tag for private treatment is simply because these options are cheaper. AA is ineffictive for 80% + of participants, plus the government does not have to provide any counselling support because AA will do it for a fraction of the price. There are not enough treatment facilities to even make a tiny dent in the substance abuse problem even though it costs business and governments billions of dollars every year. Our society is simply based on an evolutionary darwinian model – only the strong surivive and survival of the fittest. Canada shows only “token” compassion on its fellow citizens. There has been no real effort to prevent hard drugs from hitting the streets-it would all be so much easier if it were all legal.
I see this from a slightly different angle. The guy was home alone with these kids. He was probably pissed off ’cause his wife was at a party. The kids were getting on his nerves, probably wouldn’t shut up so he could watch porn. He likely warned them a couple of times before he tossed them outside. By the time he decided to let them back in, they’d wandered off to look for help.
Accident my ass.
“Accident my ass.”~dp
Interesting hypothesis. No doubt the truth will come out during the sentencing circle.
no_one, you sound very depressed. Get some help, contact social services.
Philboyd
Ya that will work!
Why don’t we just ban drinking and driving instead?
Maybe the hopeless idiot thot he put the kids out on the leeward side of a teepee and they were protected..? And it goes to show how depraved and cunning ole-evil-whitey is to build homes designed to intentionally deceive poor, helpless drunken moronic indians.
“Shame those smallpox blankets were just a myth, eh?” (by Kate Shaidle)
I guess, Kate, you little bundle of hunka hunka burning love, you must also be a fan of General Philip Sheridan who famously (or should I say infamously) said “The only good Indian is a dead Indian” or something to that effect.
You,Kate, with that ‘blanket’ remark stepped beyond the boundaries of decency. There are limits and you exceeded them. For shame.
BTW, the smallpox blankets are not a myth. Stop revising history.
Alcoholism is a disease, no doubt. It’s funny, however, but when you quit drinking, the disease goes away, and damned fast. Blindness is also a disease. Guess what guys?? When you’re blind, you can’t drive. Try AA–it works.
Canuckguy, I hate to see this argument get re-hashed, but..
At the period of history when the blanket thing supposedly happened, bacteria and virus had not been discovered. The medical profession still believed that disease was caused by bad air. The blanket story is a myth. In those days, the Cavalry had a more direct approach when it came to killing Indians. Besides, white people wouldn’t want to be exposed to infected blankets, even for long enough to hand them over to the Indians.
BTW, the smallpox blankets are not a myth. Stop revising history.~Canuckguy
Which history? More importantly what history? Are you speaking of the history you can Google? The history you can look up at the library? Which is better, more correct? Which of those books in the library tells the truth?
To smallpox or not to smallpox, that is the question. Were our ancestral Canadians bent on genocide?
As important as these notions may be to some people, it’s time to move on (at least with respect to public policy).
Just to respond to Kathy Shaidle’s assertion that the smallpox blankets to murder Aboriginal people was a lie:
Lord Jeffrey Amherst was commander of British forces in North America during the French and Indian War (1756-’63). The following exchange between Amherst and a subordinate took place during Pontiac’s Rebellion, which broke out after the war, in 1763.
Forces led by Pontiac, a chief of the Ottawa who had been allied with the French, laid siege to the English at Fort Pitt.According to historian Francis Parkman, Amherst first raised the possibility of giving the Indians infected blankets in a letter to Colonel Henry Bouquet, who would lead reinforcements to Fort Pitt. No copy of this letter has come to light, but we do know that Bouquet discussed the matter in a postscript to a letter to Amherst on July 13, 1763:
“P.S. I will try to inocculate the Indians by means of Blankets that may fall in their hands, taking care however not to get the disease myself. As it is pity to oppose good men against them, I wish we could make use of the Spaniard’s Method, and hunt them with English Dogs. Supported by Rangers, and some Light Horse, who would I think effectively extirpate or remove that Vermine.”
On July 16 Amherst replied, also in a postscript:
“P.S. You will Do well to try to Innoculate the Indians by means of Blanketts, as well as to try Every other method that can serve to Extirpate this Execrable Race. I should be very glad your Scheme for Hunting them Down by Dogs could take Effect, but England is at too great a Distance to think of that at present.”
On July 26 Bouquet wrote back:
“I received yesterday your Excellency’s letters of 16th with their Inclosures. The signal for Indian Messengers, and all your directions will be observed.”
There is no physical evidence that Col. Bouquet actually acted on Amherst’s letter. However, during a subsequent Indian siege at Fort Pitt, Captain Simeon Ecuyer did. William Trent, commander of the local militia of the townspeople of Pittsburgh during Pontiac’s siege of the fort, wrote in his journal on May 24, 1763:
“… we gave them two Blankets and an Handkerchief out of the Small Pox Hospital. I hope it will have the desired effect.”
La Shaidle – a whole new flavour of Denier.
Being SDA readers, this may not mean anything to you. But there may be one or two of you still capable of resenting the fact that you’re being lied to. Or perhaps not.
As a father with a young child my most important responsibility every day is to make sure she is safe. If required I will lay my life down to protect her with no hesitation.
When I saw what this father did to his defenseless girls nothing short of the maximum penalty fits. He took his position of parental authority over his kids in a seemingly innocent setting and used it to perform an act of terrible evil. The confused terror those girls must have felt is utterly heart breaking.
What he did was not accidental.
That his sentencing will be done using a circle of sympathetic neighbours is another kind of crime: cultural entitlement. Predictably, fluff about perpetual native cultural victimization will be the defense accepted by said cirlce and justice will be blocked. Afterall, native parents aren’t really responsible for their children like other people, right?
Those girls deserve so much more. It’s a very sad reflection on what Canada has become to know that they won’t get it.
As far as the foolish argument that the existence of bacteria had not yet been discovered – the mechanism by which disease was transferred was unknown.
So was the nature of DNA. But that didn’t stop farmers from the dawn of agriculture from cross breeding for particular strains, long before Mendle or Watson and Crick. They observed, as did practitioners of bacteriological warfare: plague infested corpses were used as weapons as long ago as the Hittites, in 1200 BC.
Balbican is a grasping idiot.
Do tell, dear: how many Indians actually died from this extremely ineffective method of disease transmission?
Really? An actual number.
I’m waiting. Now, about all those Indians who tortured and killed each other before and after the Evil White Man landed…
Next you’ll be telling folks that the US Constitution was inspired by the Iroquois League…
Indians outkilled each other long before we showed up.
And way to make friends and influence people with your snottery. Spoken like a real liberal.
Just keep on clinging to your 200 year old diaries and your single lines from Eisenhower’s farewell address and the other pathetic trivial excuses for “facts”.
Watching you fling these dried up monkey turds every time your fantasy world is challenged is so very tedious.
Once again, a lefty is more incensed about the imaginary deaths of 200 year old Indians than he is about the real deaths of two babies in 2008.
typical.
PS: I’m calling the Indian guy who murdered his two girls a “backward savage”.
Any objections?
“Balbican is a grasping idiot.”
“Grasping idiot”? Oh, dear. Are things in the product-blurb line not working out for you? That’s not a very well-turned phrase.
“Do tell, dear: how many Indians actually died from this extremely ineffective method of disease transmission? Really? An actual number.”
No idea, dear. You’re the liar who claimed it was a myth. I’ve just shown you that it wasn’t.
“Now, about all those Indians who tortured and killed each other before and after the Evil White Man landed…”
And that relates to your lie about the falsity of the smallpox blankets…how, exactly?
“Indians outkilled each other long before we showed up.”
And that relates to your lie about the falsity of the smallpox blankets…how, exactly?
“And way to make friends and influence people with your snottery. Spoken like a real liberal.”
Dear, I don’t think I could name a human (using the term loosely) whose good opinion I care less for than yours.
“Just keep on clinging to your 200 year old diaries and your single lines from Eisenhower’s farewell address and the other pathetic trivial excuses for “facts”.”
Yeah, two hundred year old diaries. What a silly source for rebutting an assertion about stuff that happened two hundred years ago, eh?
I begin to understand why you don’t allow comments.
“Watching you fling these dried up monkey turds every time your fantasy world is challenged is so very tedious.”
No substance there…let’s keep reading…
“Once again, a lefty is more incensed about the imaginary deaths of 200 year old Indians than he is about the real deaths of two babies in 2008.”
No substance there…let’s keep reading…
“PS: I’m calling the Indian guy who murdered his two girls a “backward savage”. Any objections?”
My dear, the fact that you call yourself a “writer” shows me precisely how weakly you link nomenclature with essence. Call him whatever you please.
I didn’t jump in here because I have a problem with Indians. I have a problem with drunks. When you have several generations of fetal alcohol syndrome in any community, there’s no way to cure the situation. All you can do is isolate the sick, and try to stem the growth of new victims. As terrible as that incident was, the real tragedy in some of those communities is, the kids there were born with an incurable mental disorder.
Wish I’d kept quiet about the blankets. I wasn’t there, so I had no business trying to claim I knew the facts.
Ah yes, Pontiac’s Rebellion in 1763:
“a ferocious small war undertaken by the Great Lakes Indians (who had been allied with the defeated French in the French and Indian War) against British settlements. The Ottawa leader Pontiac told his followers to “exterminate” the whites. They did their best. Hundreds of settlers were tortured, scalped, cannibalized, dismembered, or burned at the stake.”
THAT’s not genocide or anything.
Bulbican: I make a good living a writer. I have for 15 years. You may not approve of what I write (commercially or politically) but you’re clearly jealous that I’m able to do this and you aren’t.
Between your comments on this thread and your whining at Robert Jago’s Best Blogs thread (to name just two recent examples) you come across as a broke, embittered beta.
Carry on, anonymous coward. It’s easy to fling turds when you don’t have the balls to sign your name to anything you write.
And my challenge remains: please show me a direct correlation between something some guy wrote in his diary, and actual deaths of Indians.
Oh, and let’s not forget everyone’s favorite fake Indian and HIS small pox hoax, Ward Churchill, debunked here (an abstract from a piece in a peer reviewed academic journal):
http://www.freerepublic.com/focus/f-news/1338607/posts
“THAT’s not genocide or anything.”
And that relates to your lie about the falsity of the smallpox blankets…how, exactly?
“Bulbican: I make a good living a writer.”
Of course. Which is why you beg on your site for money.
“You may not approve of what I write (commercially or politically) but you’re clearly jealous that I’m able to do this and you aren’t.”
Heh. What you write commercially I don’t care about. And I’ve commented elsewhere on your poetry. (I actually own a copy of Lobotomy Magnificat: the experience of reading it, I noted, was like chewing on shards of fine crystal. I hope you discern the compliment in there.) Jealous? Good God. Of what?
‘Between your comments on this thread and your whining at Robert Jago’s Best Blogs thread (to name just two recent examples) you come across as a broke, embittered beta.”
No substance there…let’s keep reading…
“Carry on, anonymous coward. It’s easy to fling turds when you don’t have the balls to sign your name to anything you write…”
Now, now. Remember you’re pretending to be a “writer”. Surely you understand the difference between “anonymous” and “pseudonymous”?
“please show me a direct correlation between something some guy wrote in his diary, and actual deaths of Indians.”
Oh, dear. Comprehension problems? Did you not understand my response in the thread above?
Ward Churchill is an utter fraud, a propagandist. And that truthrelates to the actual historical sources I cited…how? And to your lie that smallbox blankets are a “myth”…how?
Hey bal….gotta a link for anyway thing you have stated.See,we knuckledraggers like some facts to back up what we say. Kathy cited her’s @ 8:16PM,where’s yours? Oh wait. Leftards and facts…ummmmmmmm
Hey, Justhinkin…I made a New Year’s Resolution not to talk to cretins who use playground vocabulary like “leftards”. But I’ll make just one exception in your case.
Tell you what, friend. If I provide the source (which, of course, you could find yourself with the assistance of anyone who understands that wonderful Brand New Tool Called Google) will you apologize?
balbulican
try as you may, you have shown no context
maybe the people who “gave infected” blankets though they were infected with god’s grace
Gym: No doubt.
I think this guy should get a beer and a medal.
Didn’t those liberal a-holes give an Order Of Canada medal to some guy that specialized in killing children?
I might actually come to respect this race-based justice if the natives tell the Canadian judiciary to FOAD and pass a death sentence on this POS.
I’m going to hate myself in the morning for responding to such an obvious troll, but as for “philboyd”‘s idiotic assertion that alcohol should be prohibited.
They tried that, of course. The results were, predictably, widespread disobedience over an unpopular “nanny state” law, huge profits for criminal enterprises (hi Sam Bronfman!), and deep and enduring corruption of police and politicians (a tradition which continues in Chicago to this day – hi Rod Blagowhatever!).
And they’ve tried it again, with pot and coke. The results are, predictably, widespread disobedience for an unpopular “nanny state” law (my 14 year old daughter tells me marijuana, meth, mushrooms, etc. are easily available at her Toronto high school; thank God she’s smart enough to stay away from them), huge profits for criminal enterprise (hi Mr. Escobar! hi Hell’s Angels!), and deep and enduring corruption among police and politicians (hi Mayor Barry!).
Education and treatment are the answers, not criminalization. Legalize it, tax it, and spend the profits to help the few who can’t handle it. It’s interesting that many provinces in Canada fully fund alcohol rehab clinics, whereas Ontario, which received over $1.7 billion from the LCBO last year, spent less than $100 million on rehab services for all drug and alcohol users in 1999 (last year I could find figures for). One has to assume that people using cocaine, meth, and heroin are far more likely to require treatment than alcoholics, so I think it’s safe to say that less than 5% of Ontario’s liquor profits are spent on liquor problems.
And the education has to become honest. Mr. Garrison clones repeating “Drugs are bad, m’kay?” are universally ignored and laughed at by teenage kids, and have been since I was in high school in the 1970’s. Kids know that, in the beginning at least, drugs are fun. So the standard anti-drug messages are not only ignored; kids figure since they’re being lied to about the fun aspect, they’re being lied to about all aspects. In addition, by forcing the traffic underground, kids are at greater risk to ingest adulterated drugs, or drugs of unknown purity, with sometimes tragic consequences. Finally, when society, after lying to these kids, pushes them into the hands of criminals to satisfy their curiousity, it also sends a whole new wave of customers to drug pushers whose intent is to move the kids up from drugs that are relatively harmless (like pot) into significantly more addictive, more expensive, and thus more profitable drugs, like meth, crack, and smack. Good job all around.
The smallpox and blankets thing is probably true. Since the 13th century, besieging forces would catapualt dead cows and humans over the city walls. It was an accepted part of European warfare. And with regards to comments made by the British about the natives, go read what Nelson said about the French.
Rebarb, it goes back a few hundred years further than that.
Briefly, here’s what’s what with Kathy’s assertion. She’s a ragemonger who likes to make “oooh – outRAGEous statements” to elicit response. The psychology of it is beyond me, but it’s not unlike a small child urinating on the carpet in front of her parents’s guests to elicit a reaction.
Several Aboriginal activists have claimed that murder by infected blankets (or jackets, or trade goods) was a common practice, and killed hundreds of thousands. It was not, and it did not. It was a not very effective tactic, deployed occasionally, with limited effect. Because its impact has been exaggerated, Kathy claims it’s a myth. She’s lying.
Pretty simple? I thought so too.
Balbulican: Okay, there’s a pair of postscripts. They’re legit. But is there anything else? Any independant confirmation, like proper military directions, or letters from soldiers, or “oral traditions”, or anything? The Amherst-Bouquet exchange is too thin to hang a whole genocide atrocity on. And if this did happen as suggested, it was done to warriors, not women-and-children-in-villages etc. (Still not very nice, I know.)
Prove it and I’ll believe you. I’d always assumed until today that this smallpox-blanket thing was real, but now it seems to be more like an urban myth than anything.
“The Amherst-Bouquet exchange is too thin to hang a whole genocide atrocity on.”
Mamba, see above. I don’t buy the massive genocide thing through smallpox blankets either. It doesn’t work very well…not a great vector.
Do I believe limited attempts have been reliably documented? Yes.
Wow talk about living in the past!
http://www.statcan.gc.ca/pub/85-002-x/85-002-x2005002-eng.pdf
Me thinks there are far more important issues for aboriginal Canadians and Canadians as a whole than whether or not “small pox blankets” existed over a century ago!
Absolutely. But it’s good to know when a blogger like Shaidle lies about their reality – it helps one assess her credibility. And of course, it’s always enlightening to see folks like her find humour in genocide jokes. Unless, of course, she wasn’t joking.
And the diary of Militia Commander William Trent – missed that the first time. Okay, but nothing beyond that. The slenderest of evidence for such an axiomatic piece of “history”.
Off topic, I guess, so I’ll add that those two little girls deserve better than a stupid “sentencing circle”.
Ahem. So apart from actual historical documents specifically referencing attempted murder by smallpox blankets…no evidence.
Err….right
That is totally it though, for evidence, right?
Okay, I fear the wrath of Kate, who won’t stand for “extended debate”.
Balbul must feel like a pork chop at a Jewish wedding here at SDA.
Actually, Canuck, I’m finding the Lion’s Den a bit disappointing.
So far the opposition is about equally divided between silly (i.e., anyone who employs the suffix “__tard”) and substantive (Kathy, who’s been debunked as a liar, and Mamba, who seems ok but whose stance is limited to “Okay, but evidence? Oh, THAT evidence. Okay, but is that all? Oh THAT too, eh. Okay, but is THAT all?”…etc, presumably ad infinitum. The quality of language is better than what you and I are used to at Scenty’s, but the quality of debate isn’t.
If that’s all you got, Kathy remains bunked.
No problem, Mamba. My sources and argument were directed toward those actually interested in history, not ideology. I realize that’s not a large sample in this particular audience, but hope springs eternal…
And I thought we had a bunch of loons on the bench in California.
Churchill’s tale of genocide by means of biological warfare is shocking. It is also entirely fraudulent. The only truth in Churchill’s version of the pandemic is the fact that a smallpox outbreak did occur in 1837, and that it was probably carried into the region on board the steamboat St. Peter. Every other detail of Churchill’s story must have come from his imagination, because his own sources contradict him on nearly every point.
http://www.freerepublic.com/focus/f-news/1338607/posts
http://custer.over-blog.com/article-12482845.html
Balbulican- If you gave infected blankets to the Indians, then denied doing it, that would be lying. If you look at the evidence, and don’t believe the blanket story, that’s called having an opinion. I tend to be skeptical of the story, sort of like the stories of Nazis bayoneting babies, and such fables. I’m telling the truth about that. Kathy has an opinion. I’m sure she’s being truthful about her opinion.
Calling people who hold unpopular opinions “liars”” is a bit like calling people who don’t believe man controls the climate “deniers”. You’re a bit childish, balbulican. That sort of snotty arrogance isn’t going to attract much traffic to your site.
Yeah, WHAT IS IT with lefties and the word liars. I notice too that they tend to use truth in devious ways, like, er, An Inconvenient Truth, and one old liberal friend who thought that Bush LIED ABOUT WMD even sent me several dozen links to a site called truthout.org. And anytime I sent him something containing a fact which he disputed, it was a lie.
With me, it’s kinda like seeing a store called “Honest Ed’s”. You just know Ed’s not on the up and up, eh?
I actually looked up smallpox and how it is transmitted. The idea that it was passed on to the natives by infected blankets is extremely unlikely. The idea may hav been discussed,but that does not mean it actually happened.This is most likely another ‘native myth’ along with the ‘used every part of the buffalo’ , ‘white men killed all the buffalo’and ‘they never lie to another native’ which has evolved from the old’they never lie at all’. Reality can be harsh,but it beats ignorance.
Balbulican: According to the anti tobacco screechers the North American Indian people paid the Europeans back in spades when they gave us the most deadly weed to ever grace the planet – the dreaded tobacco leaf! One whiff of it’s smoke can send the anti hysterical crowd out in -40 below temps in their undies!! If a child is even to see someone smoking this leaf; it can RUIN their lives and their lungs..forever. One whiff…and no blanket is required…a very cheap way to poison people, IMO. Genius!
I think this subject deserves more air time – it is a ‘smokin’ hot topic’ and could be used to justify past wrongs….I have no idea why the fanatical anti tobacco crowd have not brought this to the fore.
Now the real question that should have been explored by that judge is; ‘Was that man smoking tobacco’? If he was, it changes everything…
Alan: correct. I’m not quoting or citing Churchill.
DP: If you choose to characterize Holocaust Deniers as people who “hold another opinion”, by all means be my guess. I call them “liars”. A deeply unreliable propagandist, Ward Churchill, has made some absurd statements: because he’s wrong, Shaidle has announced that smallpox blankets are a “myth”. That’s a lie.
You may also be overlooking the context in which she lied. Tell me: if I ended a tirade against Ezra Levant with the “joke” about how maybe it was time for a little Zyklon B, would you find that amusing? No? And the difference is…?
Wally: see comments above. You’re quite right, infected blankets would be a very poor weapon.
balbulcan:: Typical liebral pontification about histories wrongs as if they could be changed. Whether or not blankets held small pox spores 200 years ago has little to do about a sentencing circle in Yellow Quill. Because the Hittites may have used biological warfare thousands of years ago does not negate the death of these two children and does not imply that the responsible party, their father, be given a mulligan because of all the injustices done wordwide since before recorded history. Please pull your pontificating head out of your anal oriface and attempt to stay on topic. One would think you are angling for Minister of Acceptable Information in the LaydownIggy coalition.